From the other side as a shoetube media consumer, I believe you are spot on Tim. It kind of reminds me of motor racing 'Le mans GT rules' , and all the power too them , after pondering about it since BITR first got the ball rolling the other day , I believe it is a good thing what Adidas are doing ..not only should it completly shake the pro's up (no more pretending .. its pushing it's athlete's to win with the best it can offer ) but I believe we should see cheaper shoes for all other amature runners with the same tech where applicable trickle down at a quicker rate. I can't wait to see Puma's main stream answer to this in the next year.. PS love the fact you could hear Sue come home part way through your vid with the Ring notification lol .. George Orwell got it wrong .. little did he know we the public would have the compulsion to actually purchase the monitoring devices ourselves with some of us (ehem) willingly posting data directly ourselves 🤣
Yeah happens in bike tech. Even Shimano 105 has electronic shifting now and that’s only their tier 3 group set. Bit heavier than Dura Ace & Ultegra but apparently better than they were say 10 years ago already. Of course pros use Dura Ace as looking for every edge. Motor racing good analogy too. At least in running we can have kit that is generally the same and can always buy say a Soar vest if think might help :)
Everything Tim said I agree with and I think strategically putting it @ 400 quid they slowly condition us to think that £250 for a normal supershoe is cheap.
And on that I have bought 3 such “super” shoes at that price point of late (Rocket X2 & Endorphin Elite & Prime X2 Strung) but none of which I view as superior to my 4 year old Vaporflys. Cost to me to find - 2 of these Evo 1 ones.
Adidas have completely alienated me with this shoe and this pricing, No chance they get my business, just on principle that they're trying to make less experienced runners think that more money means better shoes means better performance. Just slap on some Cliftons and log some miles!
Certainly has raised some comment. I do think this is a bit of a special case and subsequent to this video heard that actually Nike did exactly the same with the Vaporfly Elite few years ago and that did not exactly stop a wide range of runners later picking up Vaporflys and Alphaflys. Am watching Berlin now. Looks like Kipchoge is holding off the adidas runners but the first woman looks to be in them.
My original take was the Evo v1 was the one the elites are getting and v2 is going to be a wider release next spring. However, the more I dug into the photos Adidas released the less I think that. My take on all of this is currently uploading.
Ah I have no idea on this front so will be interesting to see what you think. Might not be able to watch until later as an out and about for rest of the day.
I think they have priced it high as they don't want many takers of the shoe yet. And it's been released for general sale, so the pros are allowed to race in the shoe with the new guildlines, etc. Also, I think the pros will give more feedback about how the shoe performed in a race. A few changes will be made for mass production, and release price will be a lot cheaper. Also, Muzuno did it with their carbon shoe, saying its a marathon shoe for runner sub 2:40 or something. Maybe companies are targeting certain athletes with different products and see this is the way forward 🤷🏿♂️
Guess sort of going full circle. Generally racing flats were only recommended to be used by faster runners and I can't recall anybody being "upset" the elites effectively wore different shoes to the mid packers as it were. Commercially it does not make much sense though which is partly why the R&D costs of shoes like this must be so high. That said golden "advertising" for adidas if their elites can beat the Nike ones in this shoe.
I’m glad that Adidas are working technologies to reduce the weight, even if this is a glorified prototype. The Adizero line are heavier than they should be in large sizes. The Adios Pro 3 is a very nice tempo day shoe but it heavy enough to really make it uncompetitive with a Vaporfly or Sky+ or Endorphin Elite in a size 13.
Is that a US 13 or UK 13 for you? For me in a US 14 (UK 13.5 in adidas) then yeah the Adios Pro 3 are a bit heavier at about 285g compared to Endorphin Elite 270g and Vaporfly 3 255g. Sky+ only goes to a UK 12/US 13 so not been able to try that one. Seemingly these Evo 1 could be around 200g for me which is a huge difference and largely why keen to give them a go as that is a typical weight in say a size 8!
I feel very lucky that I am generally ok with a 13US, except for La Sportiva which is 13.5. Adios Pro 3 is about 280g. Takumi Sen 8 is 240g. Boston 11 is 360g (down from 375g). Vaporfly is about 240g. Streak 7 about 240g. Streakfly 210g. Streak LT 3 177g. Nice daily trainers are in the 280 to 320g range. The Adizero range is exactly in the weight class of the next class in other brands. I ran several marathons in a Streak 6/7. Some uphill mountain half marathons in a LT and one an uphill 20-miler in the LT (which was a mistake). Marathons and ultras in the Vaporfly. But the Takumi Sen is tough going for even a half marathon - yet it is the weight class of a Vaporfly. The Adios Pro 3 is in the class of a light daily trainer (which sadly is kind of how I use it rather than buying a Boston 12.)
For me it’s deeper than the performance of the shoe or who the shoe is for. If you want to run in this shoe as a Canadian, the shoe would cost 777 dollars after tax. If you add on race registration it would cost $1000 dollars ~ per marathon (the shoes are good for 1 marathon) plus travel and hotels unless you just do local races. If you include flights call it around $1000 + hotel $500 dollars for the weekend + shoes and registration youre looking at about $2500 dollars per marathon. With about 50% income tax I would need to clear 5000 dollars before going down this road cost for cost. It truly is wildly expensive. It really brings running into a far more expensive space and atmosphere.
I guess though travel costs have always been high. It would certainly cost me similar from the UK to do one of the major marathons say in the USA and however much your shoes of choice cost it is still a minority of the overall cost of doing one of these races.
@@TimGrose true but a vaporfly is good for 2 maybe 3 marathons and then can be a training shoe. That adidas shoe for the common person comes out to about 13 British pounds per mile of cost. Will the shoe be 3x better than the vaporfly? I guess we will see. I do know an additional 1000 dollars of shoe cost per race is fairly steep. If you run 5 races a year for example that shoe will run you 5 grand on the year. That’s more than my car insurance and house insurance
@@thebullfighter6733 I very much doubt if it will make any significant difference for the majority of us but even in marathons the differences between winning or otherwise can come down to a few seconds and I think adidas are looking to given any possible advantage to their elites. We will have to see. I use Vaporflys for nearly all my races (including 3 marathons in recent years) so a shoe using Lightstrike Pro may not suit me as well anyway. I use the Adios Pro 3 and Takumi Sen 9 for training a fair bit but never really convinced enough to use them in a race. Have to admit this is mostly my curiousity at wanting to get a pair. If they really only last for one marathon, I very much doubt would use them for that as by the time I have done some runs in them for a TH-cam video I may have worn them out.
I think you are going to have a pair for yourself, my recommendation if that happens is to try it and run a half marathon or marathon and then do the review! It will be great!
Realistically think the chances of "winning" in the draw are slim but will see. I probably would test it over shorter distances than longer ones as then could run a lot faster and perhaps be somewhere a bit nearer the target paces. Guess it all depends how long they really would last.
Yeah and I figure as a shoe geek why wouldn’t I be keen to try it out. After all my last 3 shoes have cost me nearly £800 so £400 hardly seems like am breaking any habit even if it gets rather expensive !
I've stopped running and shifted to the track running as racing 100-800m within additional 1500m race as fitness test, thought I have 3pair of spikes.. Nike Maxfly NB SD-X Nike Dragonfly ..and like them all differently also purchased them at 112-220euro range.
These might do if you fancied a road mile! Aside from a school relay race aged about 10 don’t think I have ever raced for a shorter distance on the road.
@TimGrose I didn't know they do organise road mile but I have heard some Finnish national level middle distance runner travelled down to Europe to participate.. ..is it now official IAAF distance? or recognised under some road running association?
@@19Kamau79 as it happens just been announced as an official world record distance. I raced the Westminster Mile yesterday as well. Finished outside Buckingham Palace!
Kipchoge is in trouble, since the new alphafly is supposed to weigh 7 ounces versus 4.8 in younger days and with 4 more who want his head it will be good.
Hard to think his shoes this time (if indeed Alphafly 3) will yield any significant advantage over previously but equally he has shown on nearly every time to be better than everybody else.
I also think that Adidas wants to make it clear that they can definitely come out with a better product than Nile and recover the marathon world record and return to the era of Gebresilasie, Makau, kipsang
Crikey, apparently this shoe is just 138g in a 8.5 with a 39mm stack - so probably around 130 in my size (8). If the performance is Vaporfly like then the massively reduced weight will make it very a very deductive proposition.. I could be tempted for a very big target race like London or some other marathon major. Or an International Masters event. Otherwise it’s just far too much. But I’ll see what you and others say. That work around the A3 can be a bit of a pain, especially at the A3/M25 junction as you come off the M25. The country seems to be covered in roadworks at the moment!
Yeah I guess the big question is whether the performance will be still as good as a Vaporfly and indeed whether the very light weight actually "works". Well done for getting to the A3 bit :) I decided to go on past Junction 10 coming from the M3 to junction 9 as there a half mile queue to leave the M25 at J10 and only single lane.
I like your take, Tim, I do however think that the Pro's should be using Dunlop GRN 142's, they are after all elite runners in their prime. The fancy light fast stuff should be for old dudes like me, I need all the help I can get. Just like cycling the pros should be using solid steel frames and octagon shaped wheels to prove how good they are and the carbon should be for crap riders like me to stop me getting a heart attack up a steep hill.
Know what you mean :) Thing is I did indeed go a lot faster in 80s & 90s running shoes and even cycling time trials was faster on my 90s steel TT bike to a modem Carbon one.
Am now entered in the draw. Half hoping I don' t "win" as 500€ is a lot of money for a shoe. But yeah, like you, I' m definitely very intrigued now. Endorphin Elite is on the same level as the top Nikes imo but these look like they have the potential to actually beat the Swoosh. One thing I' ve been wondering about, is has the one Marathon + Tuneup actually been confirmed by Adidas or written out anywhere? Of course these won' t go as far as Asics Kayanos or something but kind of doubt they will fall apart after two runs though.
Good point on the one marathon thing. Could not find it official adidas copy so used the Runners World quote supposedly from an adidas person. Also seems will be on the box. Kind of feel no lose situation. If “win” get to try them, if not save a lot of money. Not convinced about Endorphin Elite. 33 miles so with a road session, a largely firm grass and gravel parkrun. Thought doing a vid on this Evo 1 topic more in the moment as still not sure what to conclude.
I run at half the Speed of the Elite runners so I don't think it's for me but I do get my best results in the Adidas Pro 3 and Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro.. Also it's so much fun to run in such light shoes that give you so much back. Regarding the durability I think it's because of the foam / energy rods combination. If you get lighter foam then there is little to prevent the rods from sinking into my foam... 😂. I think this is why they went with the plate and not rods in the Prime X2. The cookie in the middle is to soft to hold the rods? You will get slices of it 🙄.
Yeah have subsequently seen comments that the way make this foam as a “special” is less resilient. Still can’t believe the stitching is going to be full proof either. Ironically the Adios Pro 3 isn’t that light for me in a UK 13.5 compared to the others being about 280g. These sound like could be around 200g for me which certainly perks my interest too.
Yeah indeed. Rules on world records seem a bit vague. I read it as a development shoe could be used but would be taken away and possibly cut up to be sure it conforms. I think this is as much adidas seeing a marketing opportunity as no imminent sign of an Alphafly 3 the Nike athletes might wear. Out of interest how many spikes did you use in a full season? Presume more than the one.
I hope you manage to grab a pair of those shoes Tim. It will be great to hear what someone who thoroughly test the shoes thinks of them. Good conparison between the race bikes and the shoes. 😎🤘
I agree. They could of also released a shoe that is inferior to the one being raced by the pro's. Make it seem as though that is the shoe your buying however in actual fact your not getting the Alphafly that Kipchoge used to break 2hr. Your getting a totally different version. With this they are being transparent. Your getting the race shoe at the bleeding edge of tech but you've got to pay for it. I like this move from adidas. I wont buy one but i love that they have gone this route.
Yeah these niche low quantity projects don’t come cheap because of all the R&D. Also you often hear of “numerous” prototypes so I don’t really get the low life expectancy “green” concerns as what about all those prototypes…
Good luck in the draw hopefully you get a pair and you might be lucky I can’t imagine there are as many people trying for the size 13s maybe sue should also enter in your behalf to double your chances ? managed to send my prime x strung 2s back too I must have been able to clean them up well enough Was just too narrow in toe box or the same issue you had or a combination Probably need the next size up but like you I wasn’t blown away by the performance of the shoe but I did like the extra stability compared to version 1 so it is more usable on more uneven paths and roads Probably won’t be buying another pair unless it ends up in a sale at some point Also The strung on version 1 was way better in my regular size 12 and the fit was much better especially in the toe box. I probably should have a size 12.5 in version 2
Hopefully some bot hasn’t signed up somehow for multiple pairs. I guess less will try for my size but obviously they won’t as many. Need to get my Prime X2 Strung. Was kind of hoping they might “suddenly” stop crushing my shoes but that seems unlikely…
I see your point. But I do question why they didn’t make 200-odd and give it out to their elites. Why sell it to the public in the first place? Obviously the price point is outrageous, especially considering the material cost. I sound like I’m massively against it, which I’m actually not. I suppose I’m just slightly confused by the whole thing. I’ve seen some say “well you wouldn’t get annoyed about an F1 car costing more than a normal car” well yes, but F1 cars aren’t available for the public to buy…. anyway, it’s certainly got us all talking!!
Exactly like in car racing. They need to sell a certain quantity to the public to get into class N etc.. I used to get the Mitsubishi Evo's which Mitsubishi lost about £15,000 on every one they sold. Same with Subaru STI.
Interesting. Never something that interests me but can see the equipment, staff and location plus profit would not come cheap. As a one off “treat” it is not stupid though. Would cost around that just to get to a race say in the USA.
, if that becomes the norm I think I’ll go back to five fingers or something because oh yeah it’s just prices. People are running as some elite sport almost like you’re going golfing or something oh and plus most of us love running because of the pure art form, and the simplicity of the score that’s why I got into it Bike racing. Yeah they have fancy tires and do all this other stuff I’m running I can just go run. It was simple and all the stuff is just taking that away. My opinion, I knows tons of people will try to buy this shit but again I was very opposed to the vaporfly’s order first came out as Dylan said the Times are changing
I tried five fingers once but could only get 4 in :) will use that as justification for these expensive ones! Bike racing cost me a lot when dabbled in it & duathlon. Sue pleased trips to Sigma Sports now less common as always hurt the wallet :)
I will be surprised if any actual runners get a pair by signing up. The reseller bots will get most of them If not all is my guess. Honestly seems more like a collectors item. I imagine a lot of people will be after them that don't even run. But good luck.
Disappointing am sure but trying to beat arguably the best ever marathoner in Kipchoge in one of his most favoured events is going to take more than just shoe choice I think.
@@TimGrose True. Adidas athlete Evans Chebet won in the Adios Pro 3 in Boston and their other athletes finished 2nd (Geay) and 3rd (Kipruto) there too. They've clearly signed some excellent athletes and father time is catching up with the great Kipchoge at 38 years old. Btw, the Sydney Marathon Mens Winner yesterday was wearing a 361degrees shoe!
And Kimetto, I think they are going for the world record in Berlin and bury Kipchogue's career once and for all, if Amos Kipruto is fit and the Evo 1 is so economical and light, I think Kipchogue is
Kipchoge getting no younger for sure and question marks as to whether he has already ran his best race. On the other hand the flat Berlin course and reasonably warm conditions looks a lot more like the conditions he favours than Boston earlier this year.
Haha doomsday shoe 😂 . Seems some youtubers will have problems saying "adidas send me this shoe for reviews however all my toughts and views are my own" and this shoe wont be a 2 stride shoe send back 😂 fun they made some chaos
@@fabsterun and yeah re Sue. She could not come to my parkrun and I didn’t really get any good footage there so abandoned that video idea. Besides the viewers like her cameos :)
From the other side as a shoetube media consumer, I believe you are spot on Tim. It kind of reminds me of motor racing 'Le mans GT rules' , and all the power too them , after pondering about it since BITR first got the ball rolling the other day , I believe it is a good thing what Adidas are doing ..not only should it completly shake the pro's up (no more pretending .. its pushing it's athlete's to win with the best it can offer ) but I believe we should see cheaper shoes for all other amature runners with the same tech where applicable trickle down at a quicker rate. I can't wait to see Puma's main stream answer to this in the next year.. PS love the fact you could hear Sue come home part way through your vid with the Ring notification lol .. George Orwell got it wrong .. little did he know we the public would have the compulsion to actually purchase the monitoring devices ourselves with some of us (ehem) willingly posting data directly ourselves 🤣
Yeah happens in bike tech. Even Shimano 105 has electronic shifting now and that’s only their tier 3 group set. Bit heavier than Dura Ace & Ultegra but apparently better than they were say 10 years ago already. Of course pros use Dura Ace as looking for every edge. Motor racing good analogy too. At least in running we can have kit that is generally the same and can always buy say a Soar vest if think might help :)
Everything Tim said I agree with and I think strategically putting it @ 400 quid they slowly condition us to think that £250 for a normal supershoe is cheap.
And on that I have bought 3 such “super” shoes at that price point of late (Rocket X2 & Endorphin Elite & Prime X2 Strung) but none of which I view as superior to my 4 year old Vaporflys. Cost to me to find - 2 of these Evo 1 ones.
Adidas have completely alienated me with this shoe and this pricing, No chance they get my business, just on principle that they're trying to make less experienced runners think that more money means better shoes means better performance. Just slap on some Cliftons and log some miles!
Certainly has raised some comment. I do think this is a bit of a special case and subsequent to this video heard that actually Nike did exactly the same with the Vaporfly Elite few years ago and that did not exactly stop a wide range of runners later picking up Vaporflys and Alphaflys. Am watching Berlin now. Looks like Kipchoge is holding off the adidas runners but the first woman looks to be in them.
My original take was the Evo v1 was the one the elites are getting and v2 is going to be a wider release next spring. However, the more I dug into the photos Adidas released the less I think that. My take on all of this is currently uploading.
Ah I have no idea on this front so will be interesting to see what you think. Might not be able to watch until later as an out and about for rest of the day.
@@TimGrose No worries, life happens. The video will be there. 🙌🏻
@@SagasuRunning am allowed “out” for a run and I see it is up :)
@@TimGrose Of course not...those of us posting running shoe videos on TH-cam "never" actually run...pffft.
I think they have priced it high as they don't want many takers of the shoe yet. And it's been released for general sale, so the pros are allowed to race in the shoe with the new guildlines, etc. Also, I think the pros will give more feedback about how the shoe performed in a race. A few changes will be made for mass production, and release price will be a lot cheaper.
Also, Muzuno did it with their carbon shoe, saying its a marathon shoe for runner sub 2:40 or something. Maybe companies are targeting certain athletes with different products and see this is the way forward 🤷🏿♂️
Guess sort of going full circle. Generally racing flats were only recommended to be used by faster runners and I can't recall anybody being "upset" the elites effectively wore different shoes to the mid packers as it were. Commercially it does not make much sense though which is partly why the R&D costs of shoes like this must be so high. That said golden "advertising" for adidas if their elites can beat the Nike ones in this shoe.
I’m glad that Adidas are working technologies to reduce the weight, even if this is a glorified prototype. The Adizero line are heavier than they should be in large sizes. The Adios Pro 3 is a very nice tempo day shoe but it heavy enough to really make it uncompetitive with a Vaporfly or Sky+ or Endorphin Elite in a size 13.
Is that a US 13 or UK 13 for you? For me in a US 14 (UK 13.5 in adidas) then yeah the Adios Pro 3 are a bit heavier at about 285g compared to Endorphin Elite 270g and Vaporfly 3 255g. Sky+ only goes to a UK 12/US 13 so not been able to try that one. Seemingly these Evo 1 could be around 200g for me which is a huge difference and largely why keen to give them a go as that is a typical weight in say a size 8!
I feel very lucky that I am generally ok with a 13US, except for La Sportiva which is 13.5.
Adios Pro 3 is about 280g.
Takumi Sen 8 is 240g.
Boston 11 is 360g (down from 375g).
Vaporfly is about 240g.
Streak 7 about 240g.
Streakfly 210g.
Streak LT 3 177g.
Nice daily trainers are in the 280 to 320g range.
The Adizero range is exactly in the weight class of the next class in other brands. I ran several marathons in a Streak 6/7. Some uphill mountain half marathons in a LT and one an uphill 20-miler in the LT (which was a mistake). Marathons and ultras in the Vaporfly. But the Takumi Sen is tough going for even a half marathon - yet it is the weight class of a Vaporfly. The Adios Pro 3 is in the class of a light daily trainer (which sadly is kind of how I use it rather than buying a Boston 12.)
For me it’s deeper than the performance of the shoe or who the shoe is for. If you want to run in this shoe as a Canadian, the shoe would cost 777 dollars after tax. If you add on race registration it would cost $1000 dollars ~ per marathon (the shoes are good for 1 marathon) plus travel and hotels unless you just do local races. If you include flights call it around $1000 + hotel $500 dollars for the weekend + shoes and registration youre looking at about $2500 dollars per marathon. With about 50% income tax I would need to clear 5000 dollars before going down this road cost for cost. It truly is wildly expensive. It really brings running into a far more expensive space and atmosphere.
I guess though travel costs have always been high. It would certainly cost me similar from the UK to do one of the major marathons say in the USA and however much your shoes of choice cost it is still a minority of the overall cost of doing one of these races.
@@TimGrose true but a vaporfly is good for 2 maybe 3 marathons and then can be a training shoe. That adidas shoe for the common person comes out to about 13 British pounds per mile of cost. Will the shoe be 3x better than the vaporfly? I guess we will see. I do know an additional 1000 dollars of shoe cost per race is fairly steep. If you run 5 races a year for example that shoe will run you 5 grand on the year. That’s more than my car insurance and house insurance
@@thebullfighter6733 I very much doubt if it will make any significant difference for the majority of us but even in marathons the differences between winning or otherwise can come down to a few seconds and I think adidas are looking to given any possible advantage to their elites. We will have to see. I use Vaporflys for nearly all my races (including 3 marathons in recent years) so a shoe using Lightstrike Pro may not suit me as well anyway. I use the Adios Pro 3 and Takumi Sen 9 for training a fair bit but never really convinced enough to use them in a race. Have to admit this is mostly my curiousity at wanting to get a pair. If they really only last for one marathon, I very much doubt would use them for that as by the time I have done some runs in them for a TH-cam video I may have worn them out.
I think you are going to have a pair for yourself, my recommendation if that happens is to try it and run a half marathon or marathon and then do the review! It will be great!
Realistically think the chances of "winning" in the draw are slim but will see. I probably would test it over shorter distances than longer ones as then could run a lot faster and perhaps be somewhere a bit nearer the target paces. Guess it all depends how long they really would last.
Couldn’t agree more, Tim. I posted a comment on Eddbud’s video expressing my support for the shoe. Thanks for making such a sound argument
Yeah and I figure as a shoe geek why wouldn’t I be keen to try it out. After all my last 3 shoes have cost me nearly £800 so £400 hardly seems like am breaking any habit even if it gets rather expensive !
I've stopped running and shifted to the track running as racing 100-800m within additional 1500m race as fitness test, thought I have 3pair of spikes..
Nike Maxfly
NB SD-X
Nike Dragonfly
..and like them all differently also purchased them at 112-220euro range.
These might do if you fancied a road mile! Aside from a school relay race aged about 10 don’t think I have ever raced for a shorter distance on the road.
@TimGrose I didn't know they do organise road mile but I have heard some Finnish national level middle distance runner travelled down to Europe to participate.. ..is it now official IAAF distance? or recognised under some road running association?
@@19Kamau79 as it happens just been announced as an official world record distance. I raced the Westminster Mile yesterday as well. Finished outside Buckingham Palace!
@TimGrose that's great to bring middle distance runners to the road 😊 maybe I will save my Nike Next% V1 for possible road mile fitness test.
Kipchoge is in trouble, since the new alphafly is supposed to weigh 7 ounces versus 4.8 in younger days and with 4 more who want his head it will be good.
Hard to think his shoes this time (if indeed Alphafly 3) will yield any significant advantage over previously but equally he has shown on nearly every time to be better than everybody else.
I also think that Adidas wants to make it clear that they can definitely come out with a better product than Nile and recover the marathon world record and return to the era of Gebresilasie, Makau, kipsang
Guess it is the marginal gains theory we often hear in cycling. At this level even a few seconds could make the difference.
Crikey, apparently this shoe is just 138g in a 8.5 with a 39mm stack - so probably around 130 in my size (8). If the performance is Vaporfly like then the massively reduced weight will make it very a very deductive proposition.. I could be tempted for a very big target race like London or some other marathon major. Or an International Masters event. Otherwise it’s just far too much. But I’ll see what you and others say.
That work around the A3 can be a bit of a pain, especially at the A3/M25 junction as you come off the M25. The country seems to be covered in roadworks at the moment!
Yeah I guess the big question is whether the performance will be still as good as a Vaporfly and indeed whether the very light weight actually "works". Well done for getting to the A3 bit :) I decided to go on past Junction 10 coming from the M3 to junction 9 as there a half mile queue to leave the M25 at J10 and only single lane.
I like your take, Tim, I do however think that the Pro's should be using Dunlop GRN 142's, they are after all elite runners in their prime. The fancy light fast stuff should be for old dudes like me, I need all the help I can get.
Just like cycling the pros should be using solid steel frames and octagon shaped wheels to prove how good they are and the carbon should be for crap riders like me to stop me getting a heart attack up a steep hill.
Know what you mean :) Thing is I did indeed go a lot faster in 80s & 90s running shoes and even cycling time trials was faster on my 90s steel TT bike to a modem Carbon one.
Am now entered in the draw. Half hoping I don' t "win" as 500€ is a lot of money for a shoe.
But yeah, like you, I' m definitely very intrigued now. Endorphin Elite is on the same level as the top Nikes imo but these look like they have the potential to actually beat the Swoosh.
One thing I' ve been wondering about, is has the one Marathon + Tuneup actually been confirmed by Adidas or written out anywhere? Of course these won' t go as far as Asics Kayanos or something but kind of doubt they will fall apart after two runs though.
Good point on the one marathon thing. Could not find it official adidas copy so used the Runners World quote supposedly from an adidas person. Also seems will be on the box. Kind of feel no lose situation. If “win” get to try them, if not save a lot of money. Not convinced about Endorphin Elite. 33 miles so with a road session, a largely firm grass and gravel parkrun. Thought doing a vid on this Evo 1 topic more in the moment as still not sure what to conclude.
I run at half the Speed of the Elite runners so I don't think it's for me but I do get my best results in the Adidas Pro 3 and Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro.. Also it's so much fun to run in such light shoes that give you so much back. Regarding the durability I think it's because of the foam / energy rods combination. If you get lighter foam then there is little to prevent the rods from sinking into my foam... 😂. I think this is why they went with the plate and not rods in the Prime X2. The cookie in the middle is to soft to hold the rods? You will get slices of it 🙄.
Yeah have subsequently seen comments that the way make this foam as a “special” is less resilient. Still can’t believe the stitching is going to be full proof either. Ironically the Adios Pro 3 isn’t that light for me in a UK 13.5 compared to the others being about 280g. These sound like could be around 200g for me which certainly perks my interest too.
Spot on this Tim, it’s solely to great round the rules. As if a world record is run I’m them it can be ratified.
Yeah indeed. Rules on world records seem a bit vague. I read it as a development shoe could be used but would be taken away and possibly cut up to be sure it conforms. I think this is as much adidas seeing a marketing opportunity as no imminent sign of an Alphafly 3 the Nike athletes might wear. Out of interest how many spikes did you use in a full season? Presume more than the one.
I hope you manage to grab a pair of those shoes Tim. It will be great to hear what someone who thoroughly test the shoes thinks of them. Good conparison between the race bikes and the shoes. 😎🤘
2 longish strides albeit with some actual effort could be a good test here :)
I agree. They could of also released a shoe that is inferior to the one being raced by the pro's. Make it seem as though that is the shoe your buying however in actual fact your not getting the Alphafly that Kipchoge used to break 2hr. Your getting a totally different version. With this they are being transparent. Your getting the race shoe at the bleeding edge of tech but you've got to pay for it. I like this move from adidas. I wont buy one but i love that they have gone this route.
Yeah these niche low quantity projects don’t come cheap because of all the R&D. Also you often hear of “numerous” prototypes so I don’t really get the low life expectancy “green” concerns as what about all those prototypes…
If you get the shoe, use it in a marathon and resell them with the 'only used once' claim 👍🏻
Ha ha. In my size perhaps could also sell them used for “parts” :)
@@TimGrose"for sale: Adidas shoe upper"
"Check my other auctions for midsole"
"Outsole "missing""
Good luck in the draw hopefully you get a pair and you might be lucky I can’t imagine there are as many people trying for the size 13s maybe sue should also enter in your behalf to double your chances ?
managed to send my prime x strung 2s back too
I must have been able to clean them up well enough
Was just too narrow in toe box or the same issue you had or a combination
Probably need the next size up but like you I wasn’t blown away by the performance of the shoe but I did like the extra stability compared to version 1 so it is more usable on more uneven paths and roads
Probably won’t be buying another pair unless it ends up in a sale at some point
Also The strung on version 1 was way better in my regular size 12 and the fit was much better especially in the toe box. I probably should have a size 12.5 in version 2
Hopefully some bot hasn’t signed up somehow for multiple pairs. I guess less will try for my size but obviously they won’t as many. Need to get my Prime X2 Strung. Was kind of hoping they might “suddenly” stop crushing my shoes but that seems unlikely…
I see your point. But I do question why they didn’t make 200-odd and give it out to their elites. Why sell it to the public in the first place? Obviously the price point is outrageous, especially considering the material cost. I sound like I’m massively against it, which I’m actually not. I suppose I’m just slightly confused by the whole thing. I’ve seen some say “well you wouldn’t get annoyed about an F1 car costing more than a normal car” well yes, but F1 cars aren’t available for the public to buy…. anyway, it’s certainly got us all talking!!
The rules say you have to make them available to buy if want to use a “development” shoe more than a year
Exactly like in car racing. They need to sell a certain quantity to the public to get into class N etc.. I used to get the Mitsubishi Evo's which Mitsubishi lost about £15,000 on every one they sold. Same with Subaru STI.
@@TimGrose that’s fair. So do a raffle for 100 pairs at £10 each 😂
@@JackD87 you then might like they are rubbish. Besides imagine the resell value anyway.
@@TimGrose I’m just waiting to see the figures on StockX. Could we see them going for a grand? Who knows.
Regarding the price.. Like you say it's relative. If you go Sky Diving you pay £1200 for a 5 minute fall..
Interesting. Never something that interests me but can see the equipment, staff and location plus profit would not come cheap. As a one off “treat” it is not stupid though. Would cost around that just to get to a race say in the USA.
Or 5 grand for a go in a 2 seater Spitfire. I'd do that.
Vaporfly still rules the roost (not VF3 though)
Yeah for me it does I agree. Remains to be seen how this Evo 1 compares. Guess we will get a first clue in Berlin next Sunday.
, if that becomes the norm I think I’ll go back to five fingers or something because oh yeah it’s just prices. People are running as some elite sport almost like you’re going golfing or something oh and plus most of us love running because of the pure art form, and the simplicity of the score that’s why I got into it Bike racing. Yeah they have fancy tires and do all this other stuff I’m running I can just go run. It was simple and all the stuff is just taking that away. My opinion, I knows tons of people will try to buy this shit but again I was very opposed to the vaporfly’s order first came out as Dylan said the Times are changing
I tried five fingers once but could only get 4 in :) will use that as justification for these expensive ones! Bike racing cost me a lot when dabbled in it & duathlon. Sue pleased trips to Sigma Sports now less common as always hurt the wallet :)
Totally agree with you!!
Thanks! Have you entered the draw ?
I will be surprised if any actual runners get a pair by signing up. The reseller bots will get most of them If not all is my guess.
Honestly seems more like a collectors item. I imagine a lot of people will be after them that don't even run. But good luck.
Yeah and if I lose just save the money
I thought Sue was phoning to tell you she'd entered you for a pair as a surprise!!! 😂😂
Ha ha. She did later express surprise about the cost but did point not actually spent any money yet.
@@TimGrose You're not suffering from FOMO on this one are you Tim??? I bet you are at least just a bit anyway!!
@@bev9708 I always suffer from FOMO :)
How embarrassing would it be for Adidas if one of their athletes fails to win the Berlin marathon now?
Disappointing am sure but trying to beat arguably the best ever marathoner in Kipchoge in one of his most favoured events is going to take more than just shoe choice I think.
@@TimGrose True. Adidas athlete Evans Chebet won in the Adios Pro 3 in Boston and their other athletes finished 2nd (Geay) and 3rd (Kipruto) there too. They've clearly signed some excellent athletes and father time is catching up with the great Kipchoge at 38 years old. Btw, the Sydney Marathon Mens Winner yesterday was wearing a 361degrees shoe!
And Kimetto, I think they are going for the world record in Berlin and bury Kipchogue's career once and for all, if Amos Kipruto is fit and the Evo 1 is so economical and light, I think Kipchogue is
Kipchoge getting no younger for sure and question marks as to whether he has already ran his best race. On the other hand the flat Berlin course and reasonably warm conditions looks a lot more like the conditions he favours than Boston earlier this year.
Haha doomsday shoe 😂 . Seems some youtubers will have problems saying "adidas send me this shoe for reviews however all my toughts and views are my own" and this shoe wont be a 2 stride shoe send back 😂 fun they made some chaos
😂 rudely interrupted by Sue 😂😂😂
Irony is 2 strides might seem a good test of this one :)
@@fabsterun and yeah re Sue. She could not come to my parkrun and I didn’t really get any good footage there so abandoned that video idea. Besides the viewers like her cameos :)
At last some sense spoken in all the hullabaloo.
Thanks. Only a running shoe after all and although expensive not the Crown Jewels.
Morning
Yes first :)