What was Buck Weaver supposed to do in such a horrible situation ? He knew his team mates were throwing the World Series but he had a family and his career to take into account. He did the best thing he could do : he didn't rat out his teammates but wouldn't be part of the scam.
@@randomtraveler9854 While you are quite correct from an ethical point of view, the ethos of the day, however, didn't allow that. And as a result, Buck Weaver, was unfairly punished for a crime that he didn't even participate in.
I believe Buck Weaver was placed in a very tough position. He would have been at risk if he had ratted out the conspirators who were his friends, but he was bound to be harshly judged in any crusade to preserve the integrity of the game when Landis was installed as commissioner of major league baseball. I believe he should have received a one year suspension for not coming forward.
Perhaps. Regardless; his suspension was for life, and as his life is now over one can say that he has "served his sentence" and should now be reinstated.
What a dumb analogy. So since there are crooked judges in a crooked justice system, we should let more crookedness slide? Weaver was an idiot. He was so dumb he threw the World Series without getting paid for it.
@@kevin6293 Do you know anything about the 1919 world series? Judging by that lame-assed statement of yours, it's abundantly clear that you don't. First and foremost, Buck Weaver, did NOT agree to take a dive. In point of FACT, Weaver batted .328 and did NOT commit an error. He was basically charged for a crime that HE DIS NOT PARTICIPATE IN! The fact that he knew about the conspiracy and didn't tell anyone (which was the ethos of the day), was what led to his banishment from baseball.
A case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Too bad, too, because his play in the 1919 World Series as was displayed in the video showed he played his heart out. He was approached by Chick Gandill, didn't agree to be a part of the scandal but just because he had met to see what was conspiring it cost him his career. He sure didn't look like he should've been fixing an elevator. The only outfit this guy should've been wearing was a baseball uniform because of the way he loved to play the game. By the way, I gave you a GREAT, BIG, HUMONGOUS "thumb's up" for that poignant quote by Weaver. Nicely done, pally!
if ANYONE was to get a lifetime ban lifted, I would think Buck Weaver would be the first. He's gotta have the least egregious reason for being banned in the first place.
Rose was banned for gambling. How many players who played with or for him knew he was gambling? You can't tell me NONE of them didn't know, but said nothing. Weaver didn't rat on his teammates, that was just something you didn't do. He should have been punished, but banned for life was a travesty.
Well there was also the scandal with Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Smokey Joe Wood, and Dutch Leonard that occurred during the 1919 season. Landis found out about it later in the 20's but let them off. A double standard.
All of them stillll being banned is a travesty...they re all passed away now unless the immortal shoeless joe is still playing minor league ball somewhere, ( most likely in the afterlife) I think the sentence has been more than carrierd out. At least buck n joe shuld b reinstated n put in the hall of fame...it’s been more than a lifetime...but alas mlb has no plans to do so
White Sox players Dickie Kerr, Eddie Collins and others suspected Eddie Cicotte Risberg Lefty and Buck Weaver to throw between 3 to 12 games in the 1920 season. The evidence is overwhelming that he was involved in the 19 series fix. He attended multiple meetings including after Game 1. Love the guy and we have forgiven him but we can't re write history.
Here’s another thought, everyone knew the ball players were juicing in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Aren’t they just as guilty? That’s a form of cheating isn’t it? Reinstate Jackson and weaver
The difference is what they were doing was NOT against the rules of baseball at the time they did it. Also, they were trying to gain a competitive advantage, not throw games.
@@stuartdollar9912 your right. They were trying to gain an advantage. Not only to win but also for their contracts. So basically they cheated the owners out of money.
@@josephcolella3107 Sorry, late to this comment. AND..I hate to say this...the juicing in the 90s and early 2000s, is what "saved" the MLB. If you recall, started to lose it's popularity. NFL and NBA were still getting popular. Without the juicing, who, the MLB probably would be less popular today. That Sosa vs McGwire home run race got fans excited and back in the seats.
@ agreed but they still cheated and Jackson and weaver were underpaid. Not justifying it but if you let in the juice heads let in the gambler too. Gotta be fair
Weaver's only crime was not telling the club (Comiskey or manager Gleeson) about the fix. He knew about it, refused to be in on it, but didn't dob in his team mates or the gamblers. Whatever his reasons were for not telling, I don't know and these days we can only speculate. But, as someone who only knew about the fix but didn't participate in it, I do feel he should have only gotten a one year ban and not one that still counts to this day 101 years later. I have heard arguments over the years that the good showings by White Sox players in the series such as Joe Jackson and Weaver was only in the games that the Sox won. And while mostly true, that isn't really fair to the Reds. It wasn't like they were hopeless, they had after all won the NL pennant by 9 games, and with a 96-44 record actually had 8 more wins than the 88-52 Sox. I know the Sox were seen as the superior team at the time, but the 1919 Cincinnati Reds were not second rate by any stretch.
Buck was not involved in the scandal, and deserves to be reinstated. Perhaps not the others, perhaps not even Joe Jackson ( but that's arguable too). There is pretty solid proof that Weaver was never in on the fix.
How is Joe Jackson arguable? He confessed to being actively in on it, and during the series the Reds hit three triples to left field. I don't think I've ever seen a triple hit to left field in an MLB game - Joe's defense had to be nonexistent during those three plays at least.
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The fact that the MLB was so blinded by the fact that Buck Weaver was innocent is a disgrace to the MLB name. Buck had nothing to do with it and had proof with fact that he didn't. Buck is one of the greatest, and the fact that he hasn't been reinstated and that a different member of the black sox can, then the MLB should be ashamed with them selves in everyway shape and form
If World Series stats are proof that Buck Weaver didn't conspire to throw the 1919 World Series, then they're also proof that Shoeless Joe Jackson didn't throw it either. Both man had outstanding World Series performances in 1919.There was a signed "confession" in Joe Jackson's case though, but Jackson couldn't read and could barely sign his name. It's doubtful he knew what he signed when he signed it. Weaver was acquitted.
That’s a myth that’s been disproven. The White Sox were the highest paid team in the majors in 1919. Comiskey was a baseball lifer and a good owner. Eight Men Out is inaccurate.
@@delplaya5 Not going to bother reading a biased attempt of revisionist history. The stories about Comiskey are true. He once gave stale champagne to his players as a bonus for winning the pennant. Players had to pay to have their their uniforms cleaned. He was a typical greedy owner who lost a lot of money in the 1919 World Series. The players were acquitted in a court of law but Comiskey exacted his revenge by having the players banned from baseball for life.
@@peachman1970 Haha it's a thoroughly researched, non-biased book by a writer who is well-respected. If you would rather accept Hollywood's version, go right ahead. No skin off my ashtabula.
I'm currently reading "Eight Men Out," written by Elliott Asimoff and the more I read of it and the more I have researched on my own the more I believe that two of the eight players accused of throwing the 1919 World Series got a raw deal: "Shoeless" Shoeless Joseph Jefferson "Shoeless Joe" Jackson and George Daniel "Buck" Weaver.
Well, if anybody from that scandal would be reinstated, it would be Buck Weaver. However, he did commit a "misprision of a felony"-which itself is a felony. In fact, I personally know an individual who served a year in federal prison for that. Buck Weaver served no time (did not even get a felony conviction) for his Federal offense so he did get away with something. Misprision of a felony is defined in 18 U.S.C. , Section 4. Basically he committed misprision of a felony as 1. He had knowledge of the commission of a felony; 2. The felony actually occurred, and 3. The felony was a Federal offense. A lot of people get away with that but getting away with a crime does not make the act legal. If he was reinstated posthumously then it would be on the basis of forgiveness; not innocence.
Most people don't know that the team was known as the Black Sox before the 1919 Scandal.....And the reason why shows just how much of a cheapskate Comiskey was...
From everything I've read Buck played good ball in the series. He didn't take any money(none that any can prove) so it's my belief he should be reinstated. Buck shouldn't have to pay for the sins of his guilty teammates.
The problem with Bucky is he was in a no win situation. If he rats outs his team outs he gets blacklisted or maybe even killed. If he does nothing like he did he gets kicked out of the game. (Which wasn't even a penalty at the time). All in all he made the right decision and should be forgiven and reinstated
I would argue that no reinstatement is necessary. "Banned for life" means only that. The ban did not extend beyond that. The only reason he is ineligible is the same reason Babe Ruth cannot play. Both are deceased.
Shoeless Joe will never be exonerated nor will he ever be considered for the HOF. He actually accepted $5000 of dirty money. Buck Weaver refused to accept any money....he just didn't want to be involved in any way. A one year suspension without pay for not coming forward should have been his punishment.
Joe Jackson hit .380 w the only home run of the series and committed no errors. He attempted to give the money, his roommate Lefty Williams gave him at the end of the series, to Comiskey but he already had his legal team assembled and told Joe it was up to the courts to decide. Both Jackson and Weaver played well during the series and refused to take part in throwing it. Both need to be reinstated by baseball and Jackson to HOF.
What sucks for Buck was how he got banned for life for Never taking any Bribes. But he got in trouble b/c he was at the first Meeting and that was enough to convince the Commissioner to Ban him b/c he didn't Rat on his teammates
Poor Buck they never gave him chance, a stand up guy from what I see wouldn't tell on his mates and didn't even take a dime, "I could let him know up there hey Buck you're back" we could be so unkind sometimes I don't get it never will
I think Charles Comiskey should be removed from the HOF. He was a miserable bastard, he treated his players unfairly and was so cheap with them that he played a huge part in creating the opportunity that motivated his players to conspire against him.
Guys,something does not make sense here! Imagine yourself as Weaver...are you gonna bust ya ass in a game you KNOW your teammates are trying to throw?!! NONE of us would do that! He was either in on the fix and tried to cover up his involvement when guilt took over...or he NEVER wanted anything to do with it. You gotta be a real dumbass to play legit in a game your teammates are trying to lose. Which ever it was...it's a bitch of a predicament.
Ehh, with baseball, one player's bad performance isnt a guarantee for a lost. Though the starting pitchers would be quite hard to overcome (though looking at the stats, it could be argued Cicotte only threw his first start. At least with position players you need the ball hit to you and you have your ABs. Your affect is limited in the scheme. And for the White Sox in 1919, eddie collins was clean of it (in the prime of an arguably top 5 2b of all time career, Ray Schalk, rhe Hall of Fame catcher was clean, RFs Nemo Leibold/Shano Collins were. Plus it seems Jackson and Weavet had good series. That leaves Gandil, Risberg,Felsch. But, teams have overcome their best players even having 1 for 20 series. And Gandil and Risberg were probably the 2 weakest hitters in the lineup.
I agree to a point never let anyone in who compromised the integrity of baseball like the players who threw the series or steroid users but Weave didn't do any of that so I don't think he should be banned for live
Such a shame he should be in the hall of fame so should joe jackson grrat players could you imagine the stats if they got to play till retirement my god it would have been crazy
They had to throw the eight players out of the league, the owners wanted thoses thugs that the players worked with out of the game and as long as any of the eight players were in the league, they had a. cemented foot in the door of it, and if they would had told them to throw a game and they didn't, they would have killed them, and that is why they were thrown out
He’s being punished because he knew what was happening and didn’t tell his manager or the owner. If he would have spoken up then maybe he would have been spared but landis made it clear, anyone who knows and doesn’t say anything is just as guilty. Sorry but I can understand why they won’t let him back in but if it were me I’d put him back in along with joe Jackson plus ball players today make so much they don’t need to throw games for extra cash. I say put them both back in
bx8garageman Only Weaver and Jackson have a case. The others willingly participated knowing what they were doing and knew there could be consequences for their actions.
The Astros cheated in the playoffs and WS, refuse to admit it, and they don't get punished...Weaver tells the "fix" players to F off, hits .324, makes no errors...banned for life. Yeah, that serms fair...
Where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed, and does not promptly tell his team… Shall never play Major League Baseball again.. It’s harsh, yes.. Overkill, maybe… But it had to be done..
Should buck weaver have gone to gleason yes should he have gone to comiskey yes should he have been kicked out for life no I think a 1 year suspension would've been fair he didn't take a penny he didn't do anything to throw the series his only crime was not being a snitch so how can you kick a man out for life for that Landis was too hard handed with weaver
I know our former president is a White Sox fan and as a Yankee fan I would like to see a Obama ownership of the White Sox and let the Black Sox scandal repeats again, but this time let the New York Yankees get involved and do the same thing even if you have Dice K out of Game 7 of the ALCS.
I'm not a White Sox fan but I'm pretty sure the team isn't for sale and Obama isn't interested in buying the team anyway. Plus they're not ALCS material yet.
No question that Buck should have told his manager about the meeting.I think that Kid would have confronted the others and it may well have nipped the plot in the bud.Once their manager knew about the meeting,the other 7 would not have dared to thrown any games.I agree that the lifetime ban was too harsh,perhaps 1 or 2 years suspension would have been enough punishment.
I don't know the truth... but I know people should stop using the movie as an historical reference point. lol. Just because John Cusack's character got railroaded, doesn't mean much pertaining to the real Buck.
TheGodYouWishYouKnew - I understand that is the consensus. I also am aware the he hit .324 in the series with an .824 OPS. I am just saying that people shouldn't use Hollywood movies as an historical reference point to draw legal conclusions from.
TheGodYouWishYouKnew, have you really done any research? Could you explain why Weaver was at the meeting at the warner hotel in Chicago during which Gandil, Lefty, Hap, Cicotte, and 2 gamblers discussed the fix?
@@kevin6293 that doesn’t mean he was in on it. I think everyone knows he knew about it, which is all him being present at that meeting means. Maybe you should do some more research on the stats he had in the series plus multiple other accounts saying he didn’t take part in the fix.
@@chasemartin5373 I haven't thought about this subject in years so my memory might be faulty. Were any other uninvolved people at these meetings with Weaver and the Conspirators?
What was Buck Weaver supposed to do in such a horrible situation ? He knew his team mates were throwing the World Series but he had a family and his career to take into account. He did the best thing he could do : he didn't rat out his teammates but wouldn't be part of the scam.
Bring it to teams attention immediately!
Tell the manager or owner. You're witnessing a crime. You report that crime no matter how small.
@@randomtraveler9854 While you are quite correct from an ethical point of view, the ethos of the day, however, didn't allow that. And as a result, Buck Weaver, was unfairly punished for a crime that he didn't even participate in.
I believe Buck Weaver was placed in a very tough position. He would have been at risk if he had ratted out the conspirators who were his friends, but he was bound to be harshly judged in any crusade to preserve the integrity of the game when Landis was installed as commissioner of major league baseball. I believe he should have received a one year suspension for not coming forward.
@@robertcrestohl9709 Exactly. One year would be enough.
quote from Weaver: "There are murderers who serve a sentence and then get out. I got life." He was an innocent victim.
Perhaps. Regardless; his suspension was for life, and as his life is now over one can say that he has "served his sentence" and should now be reinstated.
What a dumb analogy. So since there are crooked judges in a crooked justice system, we should let more crookedness slide? Weaver was an idiot. He was so dumb he threw the World Series without getting paid for it.
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You better watch your mouth.
Or you'll get it stapled shut.
Fucker.
@@kevin6293 Do you know anything about the 1919 world series? Judging by that lame-assed statement of yours, it's abundantly clear that you don't.
First and foremost, Buck Weaver, did NOT agree to take a dive. In point of FACT, Weaver batted .328 and did NOT commit an error. He was basically charged for a crime that HE DIS NOT PARTICIPATE IN!
The fact that he knew about the conspiracy and didn't tell anyone (which was the ethos of the day), was what led to his banishment from baseball.
A case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Too bad, too, because his play in the 1919 World Series as was displayed in the video showed he played his heart out. He was approached by Chick Gandill, didn't agree to be a part of the scandal but just because he had met to see what was conspiring it cost him his career. He sure didn't look like he should've been fixing an elevator. The only outfit this guy should've been wearing was a baseball uniform because of the way he loved to play the game. By the way, I gave you a GREAT, BIG, HUMONGOUS "thumb's up" for that poignant quote by Weaver. Nicely done, pally!
if ANYONE was to get a lifetime ban lifted, I would think Buck Weaver would be the first. He's gotta have the least egregious reason for being banned in the first place.
Rose was banned for gambling. How many players who played with or for him knew he was gambling? You can't tell me NONE of them didn't know, but said nothing. Weaver didn't rat on his teammates, that was just something you didn't do. He should have been punished, but banned for life was a travesty.
I agree. He committed an offense, but should not have been banned for life.
Exactly. One year suspension without pay max.
Well there was also the scandal with Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Smokey Joe Wood, and Dutch Leonard that occurred during the 1919 season. Landis found out about it later in the 20's but let them off. A double standard.
So you let your teammates steal money from you? It’s so obvious he threw the World Series.
All of them stillll being banned is a travesty...they re all passed away now unless the immortal shoeless joe is still playing minor league ball somewhere, ( most likely in the afterlife) I think the sentence has been more than carrierd out. At least buck n joe shuld b reinstated n put in the hall of fame...it’s been more than a lifetime...but alas mlb has no plans to do so
A complete travesty that this man was banned for life.
The sick part is that SOB comiskey in the hall of fame.
White Sox players Dickie Kerr, Eddie Collins and others suspected Eddie Cicotte Risberg Lefty and Buck Weaver to throw between 3 to 12 games in the 1920 season. The evidence is overwhelming that he was involved in the 19 series fix. He attended multiple meetings including after Game 1. Love the guy and we have forgiven him but we can't re write history.
Indeed.
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Here’s another thought, everyone knew the ball players were juicing in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Aren’t they just as guilty? That’s a form of cheating isn’t it? Reinstate Jackson and weaver
The difference is what they were doing was NOT against the rules of baseball at the time they did it. Also, they were trying to gain a competitive advantage, not throw games.
@@stuartdollar9912 your right. They were trying to gain an advantage. Not only to win but also for their contracts. So basically they cheated the owners out of money.
@@josephcolella3107 Sorry, late to this comment. AND..I hate to say this...the juicing in the 90s and early 2000s, is what "saved" the MLB. If you recall, started to lose it's popularity. NFL and NBA were still getting popular. Without the juicing, who, the MLB probably would be less popular today. That Sosa vs McGwire home run race got fans excited and back in the seats.
@ agreed but they still cheated and Jackson and weaver were underpaid. Not justifying it but if you let in the juice heads let in the gambler too. Gotta be fair
Weaver's only crime was not telling the club (Comiskey or manager Gleeson) about the fix. He knew about it, refused to be in on it, but didn't dob in his team mates or the gamblers. Whatever his reasons were for not telling, I don't know and these days we can only speculate. But, as someone who only knew about the fix but didn't participate in it, I do feel he should have only gotten a one year ban and not one that still counts to this day 101 years later.
I have heard arguments over the years that the good showings by White Sox players in the series such as Joe Jackson and Weaver was only in the games that the Sox won. And while mostly true, that isn't really fair to the Reds. It wasn't like they were hopeless, they had after all won the NL pennant by 9 games, and with a 96-44 record actually had 8 more wins than the 88-52 Sox. I know the Sox were seen as the superior team at the time, but the 1919 Cincinnati Reds were not second rate by any stretch.
Buck was not involved in the scandal, and deserves to be reinstated. Perhaps not the others, perhaps not even Joe Jackson ( but that's arguable too). There is pretty solid proof that Weaver was never in on the fix.
All evidence *proves* Weaver not only knew about it, but was IN on it. Stop using the movie as your reference please.
Buck weaver didn't report it before the series
He knew about it, but actively participating? What was there about his play which would suggest that?
How is Joe Jackson arguable? He confessed to being actively in on it, and during the series the Reds hit three triples to left field. I don't think I've ever seen a triple hit to left field in an MLB game - Joe's defense had to be nonexistent during those three plays at least.
Paul19807, like Jackson, during the series weaver played great when it didn’t matter, and played poorly when it did. He had 0 RBI in the series.
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The fact that the MLB was so blinded by the fact that Buck Weaver was innocent is a disgrace to the MLB name. Buck had nothing to do with it and had proof with fact that he didn't. Buck is one of the greatest, and the fact that he hasn't been reinstated and that a different member of the black sox can, then the MLB should be ashamed with them selves in everyway shape and form
What proof?
@@kevin6293 his ws stats, jeanyus
hot dog water, that’s not proof.
@@kevin6293 your posts are hilarious, btw
If World Series stats are proof that Buck Weaver didn't conspire to throw the 1919 World Series, then they're also proof that Shoeless Joe Jackson didn't throw it either. Both man had outstanding World Series performances in 1919.There was a signed "confession" in Joe Jackson's case though, but Jackson couldn't read and could barely sign his name. It's doubtful he knew what he signed when he signed it. Weaver was acquitted.
If there's anybody wo DOES NOT belong in the baseball Hall of Fame, it's cheap-assed Charlie Comiskey.
That’s a myth that’s been disproven. The White Sox were the highest paid team in the majors in 1919. Comiskey was a baseball lifer and a good owner. Eight Men Out is inaccurate.
@@delplaya5 Bullshit. Comiskey bet on baseball himself. He screwed the players. Charged them to launder their uniforms. That's a fact.
@@peachman1970 Turning the Black Sox White: The Misunderstood Legacy of Charles A. Comiskey by Tim Hornbaker. I suggest you read it.
@@delplaya5 Not going to bother reading a biased attempt of revisionist history. The stories about Comiskey are true. He once gave stale champagne to his players as a bonus for winning the pennant. Players had to pay to have their their uniforms cleaned. He was a typical greedy owner who lost a lot of money in the 1919 World Series. The players were acquitted in a court of law but Comiskey exacted his revenge by having the players banned from baseball for life.
@@peachman1970 Haha it's a thoroughly researched, non-biased book by a writer who is well-respected. If you would rather accept Hollywood's version, go right ahead. No skin off my ashtabula.
I cant figure out why tanking for picks isn't considered throwing a game.
I'm currently reading "Eight Men Out," written by Elliott Asimoff and the more I read of it and the more I have researched on my own the more I believe that two of the eight players accused of throwing the 1919 World Series got a raw deal: "Shoeless" Shoeless Joseph Jefferson "Shoeless Joe" Jackson and George Daniel "Buck" Weaver.
Well, if anybody from that scandal would be reinstated, it would be Buck Weaver. However, he did commit a "misprision of a felony"-which itself is a felony. In fact, I personally know an individual who served a year in federal prison for that. Buck Weaver served no time (did not even get a felony conviction) for his Federal offense so he did get away with something. Misprision of a felony is defined in
18 U.S.C. , Section 4. Basically he committed misprision of a felony as 1. He had knowledge of the commission of a felony; 2. The felony actually occurred, and 3. The felony was a Federal offense. A lot of people get away with that but getting away with a crime does not make the act legal. If he was reinstated posthumously then it would be on the basis of forgiveness; not innocence.
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Oh bullshit.
Every commissioner is guilty of a crime for not reinstalling him . They over turned Landis on segregation . So why not this small act for his family.
Buck Weaver was the only third baseman Ty Cobb would never bunt against
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That smile is infectious.
Most people don't know that the team was known as the Black Sox before the 1919 Scandal.....And the reason why shows just how much of a cheapskate Comiskey was...
From everything I've read Buck played good ball in the series. He didn't take any money(none that any can prove) so it's my belief he should be reinstated. Buck shouldn't have to pay for the sins of his guilty teammates.
His overall performance in the series is irrelevant.
What is relevant,then?
dani scheel, witness testimony.
The problem with Bucky is he was in a no win situation. If he rats outs his team outs he gets blacklisted or maybe even killed. If he does nothing like he did he gets kicked out of the game. (Which wasn't even a penalty at the time). All in all he made the right decision and should be forgiven and reinstated
I would argue that no reinstatement is necessary. "Banned for life" means only that. The ban did not extend beyond that. The only reason he is ineligible is the same reason Babe Ruth cannot play. Both are deceased.
Shoeless joe jackson deserve to be in the hall of fame as well
Shoeless Joe will never be exonerated nor will he ever be considered for the HOF. He actually accepted $5000 of dirty money. Buck Weaver refused to accept any money....he just didn't want to be involved in any way. A one year suspension without pay for not coming forward should have been his punishment.
Robert Crestohl, weaver was deeply involved in the fixing. He was one of the men that met with the gamblers at the warner hotel.
Joe Jackson hit .380 w the only home run of the series and committed no errors. He attempted to give the money, his roommate Lefty Williams gave him at the end of the series, to Comiskey but he already had his legal team assembled and told Joe it was up to the courts to decide. Both Jackson and Weaver played well during the series and refused to take part in throwing it. Both need to be reinstated by baseball and Jackson to HOF.
Games e Still be fixed till today!!they made an example out of some of these guys which is Crazy
I always felt bad for Mr Weaver. On his way to the Hall of Fame he was thought guilty by association.
I dont think Weaver would have likely made the Hall, a good player sure. Jackson was a lock, and Cicotte would have a pretty good case.
Great ⚾ player and great person
What sucks for Buck was how he got banned for life for Never taking any Bribes. But he got in trouble b/c he was at the first Meeting and that was enough to convince the Commissioner to Ban him b/c he didn't Rat on his teammates
Most of the World Series before were pretty much thrown especially the five years before the 1919 scandal.
I can see if MLB reinstated Buck that does open the door.
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John Cusick's best role.
What a travesty. The only player who obviously tried, and still banned simply because he didn't rat out the others. That isn't justice.
Poor Buck they never gave him chance, a stand up guy from what I see wouldn't tell on his mates and didn't even take a dime, "I could let him know up there hey Buck you're back" we could be so unkind sometimes I don't get it never will
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Buck weaver is 100% innocent the only reason he was kicked out is because he wouldn't rat out his teammates
We’re too busy celebrating Jackie Robinson every 5 seconds that there is no room for Buck Weaver.
Buck got a raw deal, but they couldn't just cut him slack. He knew about the fix and didn't try to stop it.
Weaver didn’t just know about it, he was a central figure in its planning.
This isn’t true
@@kevin6293 based on all accounts, what you just said is a flat out lie
@@chasemartin5373 I'm guessing youre a BLM fan. I'm done with people lionizing the worst folks in society.
Doubtful any of the Black Sox players will every be reinstated?
Leo Guy No they won't be. MLB would be admitting it overacted when passing the ban. That's something they'll never do.
I think Charles Comiskey should be removed from the HOF. He was a miserable bastard, he treated his players unfairly and was so cheap with them that he played a huge part in creating the opportunity that motivated his players to conspire against him.
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Guys,something does not make sense here!
Imagine yourself as Weaver...are you gonna bust ya ass in a game you KNOW your teammates are trying to throw?!!
NONE of us would do that!
He was either in on the fix and tried to cover up his involvement when guilt took over...or he NEVER wanted anything to do with it.
You gotta be a real dumbass to play legit in a game your teammates are trying to lose.
Which ever it was...it's a bitch of a predicament.
Ehh, with baseball, one player's bad performance isnt a guarantee for a lost. Though the starting pitchers would be quite hard to overcome (though looking at the stats, it could be argued Cicotte only threw his first start. At least with position players you need the ball hit to you and you have your ABs. Your affect is limited in the scheme. And for the White Sox in 1919, eddie collins was clean of it (in the prime of an arguably top 5 2b of all time career, Ray Schalk, rhe Hall of Fame catcher was clean, RFs Nemo Leibold/Shano Collins were. Plus it seems Jackson and Weavet had good series.
That leaves Gandil, Risberg,Felsch. But, teams have overcome their best players even having 1 for 20 series. And Gandil and Risberg were probably the 2 weakest hitters in the lineup.
It is so sad the position he was put in.
Yes but ignorance is no excuse
No. Never let cheaters or roid users in. Have respect for the past and the sport. Also, ban the slam dunk in basketball restore the sport
I agree to a point never let anyone in who compromised the integrity of baseball like the players who threw the series or steroid users but Weave didn't do any of that so I don't think he should be banned for live
Problem is, Eddie ratted everybody out. Makes it hard to deny anything.
Such a shame he should be in the hall of fame so should joe jackson grrat players could you imagine the stats if they got to play till retirement my god it would have been crazy
Great video , thank you
Let him back in. Its stupid he's still being punished for this.
They had to throw the eight players out of the league, the owners wanted thoses thugs that the players worked with out of the game and as long as any of the eight players were in the league, they had a. cemented foot in the door of it, and if they would had told them to throw a game and they didn't, they would have killed them, and that is why they were thrown out
Reinstate Shoeless Joe!
He’s being punished because he knew what was happening and didn’t tell his manager or the owner. If he would have spoken up then maybe he would have been spared but landis made it clear, anyone who knows and doesn’t say anything is just as guilty. Sorry but I can understand why they won’t let him back in but if it were me I’d put him back in along with joe Jackson plus ball players today make so much they don’t need to throw games for extra cash. I say put them both back in
He was punished because he helped throw the World Series.
Buck wasn't a cop. Not his job to enforce the law unto others, ir, for that matter, to rat anyone out.
The least guilty of the White Sox.
MLB Reinstate Buck Weaver, Joe Jackson and rest of the 1919 White Sox!
bx8garageman Only Weaver and Jackson have a case. The others willingly participated knowing what they were doing and knew there could be consequences for their actions.
@@randomtraveler9854 Only Buck Weaver has a case. Shoeless Joe accepted $5000 which makes him 100% guilty even though he played to win on the field.
I suggest you all look at the facts. Weaver and Jackson are just as guilty of intentionally losing the series as the rest of them.
The Astros cheated in the playoffs and WS, refuse to admit it, and they don't get punished...Weaver tells the "fix" players to F off, hits .324, makes no errors...banned for life. Yeah, that serms fair...
The Astros that participated should've been banned for life
Love this
Where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed, and does not promptly tell his team… Shall never play Major League Baseball again..
It’s harsh, yes.. Overkill, maybe… But it had to be done..
Should buck weaver have gone to gleason yes should he have gone to comiskey yes should he have been kicked out for life no I think a 1 year suspension would've been fair he didn't take a penny he didn't do anything to throw the series his only crime was not being a snitch so how can you kick a man out for life for that Landis was too hard handed with weaver
Glad he is left out. Cheaters don't deserve to be recognized. Now put Pete in the HOF yesterday.
colin
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He didn’t cheat though. Read a book before you make accusations.
I know our former president is a White Sox fan and as a Yankee fan I would like to see a Obama ownership of the White Sox and let the Black Sox scandal repeats again, but this time let the New York Yankees get involved and do the same thing even if you have Dice K out of Game 7 of the ALCS.
Try reposting that sober please..
dog dice k hasnt been in the league for a minute you’re bugged out
I'm not a White Sox fan but I'm pretty sure the team isn't for sale and Obama isn't interested in buying the team anyway. Plus they're not ALCS material yet.
No question that Buck should have told his manager about the meeting.I think that Kid would have confronted the others and it may well have nipped the plot in the bud.Once their manager knew about the meeting,the other 7 would not have dared to thrown any games.I agree that the lifetime ban was too harsh,perhaps 1 or 2 years suspension would have been enough punishment.
U dont understand this banishment sir
I don't know the truth... but I know people should stop using the movie as an historical reference point. lol. Just because John Cusack's character got railroaded, doesn't mean much pertaining to the real Buck.
Richard Glenn Do the research and you will see that Weaver didn’t have anything to do with the fix. FREE BUCK WEAVER!
TheGodYouWishYouKnew - I understand that is the consensus. I also am aware the he hit .324 in the series with an .824 OPS. I am just saying that people shouldn't use Hollywood movies as an historical reference point to draw legal conclusions from.
TheGodYouWishYouKnew, have you really done any research? Could you explain why Weaver was at the meeting at the warner hotel in Chicago during which Gandil, Lefty, Hap, Cicotte, and 2 gamblers discussed the fix?
@@kevin6293 that doesn’t mean he was in on it. I think everyone knows he knew about it, which is all him being present at that meeting means. Maybe you should do some more research on the stats he had in the series plus multiple other accounts saying he didn’t take part in the fix.
@@chasemartin5373 I haven't thought about this subject in years so my memory might be faulty. Were any other uninvolved people at these meetings with Weaver and the Conspirators?