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Do you know if bull trout take this and is it best right now to go worm or row if you don't mind and do you think it matters lower Vedder or higher right now would prefer a bull trout never cought one
Yep, pink worms would work for bull trout too. I generally don't use roe when fishing for steelhead in the winter months because I find it messy, and I also know that both steelhead and bull trout are aggressive so bait isn't always necessary. Bull trout generally don't start appearing in the Chilliwack/Vedder River until late winter/early spring. They either travel down from Chilliwack Lake, or travelling in from the Fraser River, to prey on salmon and steelhead fry migrating at that time. This time of the year, you might see the odd bull trout, but the fish you hook everytime are most likely to be steelhead.
I believe this is what you were talking about right? Liked it. Looks like a pupular video. Maybe I should have got some bigger worms. I'm going finesse!
New to steelhead fishing and haven't seen anyone try that yet. Have you ever tried pegging it a bit up your leader and using a corky as a second presentation?
DUDE, AWESOME VIDEO!! IM CHASING MY FIRST EVER STEELY AT MY HOMETOWN OF KAKE, ALASKA AND WILL DEFINITELY GIVE THIS BEAUTIFUL RIG A FAIR ATTEMPT!! SEE YOU ON THE WATER!
Hey Rod, I see some people rig a gooey bob and then tip it with some wool. When doing this do u reccomend just rigging the gooey bob using the bait needle and then putting the small bit of wool in the baitloop? Thanks
Yep! Many years ago, I actually did really well by using a small pink or orange gooey bob and tie a bit of chartreuse or white wool on the bait loop in rivers where bait ban is in effect. I also did the reverse (chartreuse gooey bob/plastic egg and pink wool) and had some success with it.
In Oregon all rubber or molded soft lure types for some odd reason fall under the bait category so this would actually be a bait still. But for some reason use of adding scent to lures is not considered bait... some wacky regulations in my state lol
Very strange. Here in British Columbia, soft plastics are considered artificial lures. If they are scented, then they are categorized as bait and cannot be used in waters where bait ban is in effect. Hard body lures with scented added are also considered as bait.
@@jasonnester9514 Hi Jason, 'bait', in this case, generally refers to organic attracters like minnows, worms, roe, shrimp etc. Things like jigs, flys, spoons, etc are usually okay when a bait ban is in place. As you can see from earlier comments, it's best to check your local regs' to be sure.
Yep I'm sure that would work too. Up here in BC, in clear water conditions we tend to just go straight to trout beads and something that is quite a bit smaller right away. We're weird that way. ;)
Typical rod used for this type of fishing (float fishing for salmon and steelhead), are 10'6" long, rated between 6 and 12lb, up to 12 to 20lb. How heavy or light it is depends on which rivers you intend to fish in.
I'm going to try a lot of fly fishing this year, but I"m not a purist.... I think this would be a great for "high-sticking" for Rainbow Trout in mid size streams.....Thanks for the tips.
need help looking for a trout and small mouth set i want to use g loomis for the rod and a shimano stradic ci4+ can u give me any suggestions and what size braid to use ty
No, this is a presentation tied onto the leader for float fishing. The rest of the setup can be seen in this tutorial: th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
Hi Rod, thanks for putting all of these great tutorials and fishing videos out for us. I've learned a lot! I'm looking to get myself a centerpin rod and have done a lot of research. There are so many opinions on length and brands etc, however Id like some help on what would be the best power and action for a vedder river steelhead float rod?? I'll be going for a 10'6 rod.
Hi Ryan, For centerpin rod, an entry model that is good to go with is Shimano Convergance, 10'6" rated 8 to 17lb. That covers steelhead and all the salmon species for river fishing. It doesn't break the bank and is in fact a pretty nice rod. That's what I usually recommend for starter and you can then move up to a higher end custom built rod once you figure out what you need etc.
Rod, Is that a floating worm? If so, do you need a weight to bring it down (like fishing powerbait, where the bait floats just above the bottom, and the weight rests on the bottom)? Or do you fish it under a float? And under a float, if the worm floats, what need is there for a float? I'm just learning about pink worms and plastic worms.
The worm is buoyant, but the weight above the leader is what brings it down to the depth where the fish are. There is another video tutorial from earlier that talks about the whole float setup, which is at: th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
Hi Rod! Happy new year! At about the 3 minute mark you tie a bait loop knot, but with the worm already attached, and thus you can't run the other end of the line through the eye of the hook and pull it through as with a typical bait loop knot...so it seems this knot is done differently than in your video tutorial on how to tie a bait loop knot. I cannot quite figure out how you tied the egg loop knot using only a single end of the line....do you have another video that explains how to tie this knot? Thanks!
No particular reason really, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer to do the bait loop knot so the knot is sitting below the eye instead of on the eye where it contacts the pink worm or whatever I choose to have on the line.
so is there any truth to the opposite hook because Steelhead attack bait head first instead of tail first like their non-sea run counterpart rainbows?!? this has been many years since ive heard this and i am not afforded many opportunities to chase steel... as always Rod, so very helpful and informative, much of my success is owed to your fun instruction over the years!! Thank you from Lake Tahoe, Ca.
i find having the hook half way down the worm works best because a lot of the time the fish will only grab half the worm. Therefore with having the hook half way down the worm your chances of the fish biting the hook greatly increase.
Thanks Natalie. Yep, for sure. :) Some people like to straight hook it wacky rig style (hook it straight in the middle of the worm and let both ends dangle), which seems to work well too.
That looks like maxima... not seaguar sts trout/steelhead fluorocarbon. You must have lost more fish back then, hehe. Oh man that wiggle looks pretty nicely! I'd eat it.
This can be difficult to explain. Use a real worm and thread it onto your leader (hook) using a hollow tube that will allow you to completely hide the hook. I wish I could show you a photo of how this works. It works great on trout in fast water.
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Big thanks Rod, caught the first 5 steelhead of my life on this rig in a tributary of the Nottawasaga in Ontario earlier this year
That's great to hear MC! Thanks for watching and sharing the story!
I’m hitting the notty tomorrow with pink worms, let’s see what we get!
Is a jig a good alternative??looks like similar approach?
This channel helps and teaches me a lot on how to fish. Thanks
My favorite local fishing channel.
Thank you! That's really great to hear. :)
Very nice setup, I like upside down method makes good sense, also shorter leader is something I have never tried plan on giving it a run thanks!!!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching and good luck this upcoming steelhead season. :)
Awesome video I am moving to Kamloops next year hope to see you in B.C. some day
Thanks Blair! Kamloops is awesome with so many lake options around as well as the Thompson and Shuswap.
Do you know if bull trout take this and is it best right now to go worm or row if you don't mind and do you think it matters lower Vedder or higher right now would prefer a bull trout never cought one
Yep, pink worms would work for bull trout too. I generally don't use roe when fishing for steelhead in the winter months because I find it messy, and I also know that both steelhead and bull trout are aggressive so bait isn't always necessary. Bull trout generally don't start appearing in the Chilliwack/Vedder River until late winter/early spring. They either travel down from Chilliwack Lake, or travelling in from the Fraser River, to prey on salmon and steelhead fry migrating at that time. This time of the year, you might see the odd bull trout, but the fish you hook everytime are most likely to be steelhead.
I'm excited to try these i think these would work well for alot of game fish other than just Stheels ill try this for a Few different types of fish.
So do you put weights up above the leader then?
Yep! This is how you set it up.
th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
Interesting setup! No steelhead around here, wonder if it would work as well for other species!
It should, for any predatory species in a river with fair amount of current.
Would these work for chum or coho, I wanna try something new
Yes, give it a go.
@@FishingwithRod Amazing, thanks rod
Thanks, Rod sharing this again.
Best,
Volkan
You're welcome Volkan! 😊
I believe this is what you were talking about right? Liked it. Looks like a pupular video. Maybe I should have got some bigger worms. I'm going finesse!
Very good video to the point.
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. Is this setup to be used with a bobber? If so could you please show the full setup?
That's correct. The rest of the float setup to go with this can be found at:
th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
New to steelhead fishing and haven't seen anyone try that yet. Have you ever tried pegging it a bit up your leader and using a corky as a second presentation?
We've had a bead between the worm and the hook but the worm would be sitting right on top of it, not further up.
would you set that up under a float or a slinkie type setup and drift it naturally
Under a float.
Hey Rod, does this setup (Pink worm) work for salmon?
Yep! It works from time to time for coho, chum, pink salmon, but there are definitely better presentations/baits you can use for salmon.
Fishing with Rod awesome thank you!
Which soft plastics u use ????
These are Gibbs Delta Steely worms.
DUDE, AWESOME VIDEO!! IM CHASING MY FIRST EVER STEELY AT MY HOMETOWN OF KAKE, ALASKA AND WILL DEFINITELY GIVE THIS BEAUTIFUL RIG A FAIR ATTEMPT!! SEE YOU ON THE WATER!
All Weather Angler awesome! Thanks for watching. 🙂
Hey Rod, I see some people rig a gooey bob and then tip it with some wool. When doing this do u reccomend just rigging the gooey bob using the bait needle and then putting the small bit of wool in the baitloop? Thanks
Yep! Many years ago, I actually did really well by using a small pink or orange gooey bob and tie a bit of chartreuse or white wool on the bait loop in rivers where bait ban is in effect. I also did the reverse (chartreuse gooey bob/plastic egg and pink wool) and had some success with it.
@@FishingwithRod thanks so much Rod!!
In Oregon all rubber or molded soft lure types for some odd reason fall under the bait category so this would actually be a bait still. But for some reason use of adding scent to lures is not considered bait... some wacky regulations in my state lol
Very strange. Here in British Columbia, soft plastics are considered artificial lures. If they are scented, then they are categorized as bait and cannot be used in waters where bait ban is in effect. Hard body lures with scented added are also considered as bait.
hello so U can’t fish with bait how are u supposed to catch fish
@@jasonnester9514 Hi Jason, 'bait', in this case, generally refers to organic attracters like minnows, worms, roe, shrimp etc. Things like jigs, flys, spoons, etc are usually okay when a bait ban is in place. As you can see from earlier comments, it's best to check your local regs' to be sure.
That’s a crazy law sorry u have that one
Yup I live in Oregon too
What about fishing a micro version in ckear water? Like a very small 2" thin worm and size 4 or even
Smaller hook?
Yep I'm sure that would work too. Up here in BC, in clear water conditions we tend to just go straight to trout beads and something that is quite a bit smaller right away. We're weird that way. ;)
Thank you for the helpful explanation.
cool video
Where would I find one of those needles. Thank you Rod
Most tackle stores should all have them.
i like the set-up-thank you ,sir
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
what size rod should you be using and what test for that setup ?
Typical rod used for this type of fishing (float fishing for salmon and steelhead), are 10'6" long, rated between 6 and 12lb, up to 12 to 20lb. How heavy or light it is depends on which rivers you intend to fish in.
I'm going to try a lot of fly fishing this year, but I"m not a purist.... I think this would be a great for "high-sticking" for Rainbow Trout in mid size streams.....Thanks for the tips.
Thanks for the great video and insight.
Thanks for watching!
need help looking for a trout and small mouth set i want to use g loomis for the rod and a shimano stradic ci4+ can u give me any suggestions and what size braid to use ty
Don't use braid... I use Mono and Fluro
Thanks Rod, I learned something new.
Hey do I just try this right to my main line do I need any weight
No, this is a presentation tied onto the leader for float fishing. The rest of the setup can be seen in this tutorial: th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
Hi Rod, thanks for putting all of these great tutorials and fishing videos out for us. I've learned a lot!
I'm looking to get myself a centerpin rod and have done a lot of research. There are so many opinions on length and brands etc, however Id like some help on what would be the best power and action for a vedder river steelhead float rod?? I'll be going for a 10'6 rod.
Hi Ryan,
For centerpin rod, an entry model that is good to go with is Shimano Convergance, 10'6" rated 8 to 17lb. That covers steelhead and all the salmon species for river fishing. It doesn't break the bank and is in fact a pretty nice rod. That's what I usually recommend for starter and you can then move up to a higher end custom built rod once you figure out what you need etc.
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Rod, Is that a floating worm? If so, do you need a weight to bring it down (like fishing powerbait, where the bait floats just above the bottom, and the weight rests on the bottom)? Or do you fish it under a float? And under a float, if the worm floats, what need is there for a float? I'm just learning about pink worms and plastic worms.
The worm is buoyant, but the weight above the leader is what brings it down to the depth where the fish are. There is another video tutorial from earlier that talks about the whole float setup, which is at: th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
Never fish a lure with a bobber. I don't even know why you would THINK about using a bobber with a lure.
+kyle schmid only one reason I can think of.... it works....but keep trolling
kyle schmid And Here We Have A Great Example Of An Idiot!
Would like to see a close up of how U tied that knot
how would you rig that for fishing streams . a 3way swivel or floating
Under a float like this:
th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
I use orange in these parts for steelhead. SW BC.
Yep! There are many colours to choose from for different water conditions.
Now 3 years later, you just landed a big steelhead on the Gibbs worm. Was it this exact worm ? Haha tight lines rod
Cory Amisano lol thx. I’ve tied up many more of these worms since we made this video
@@FishingwithRod haha yes. I'm sure of that . Great catch
same technique I use for fishing trout, but with the Berkley bubblegum trout worms or mice tails.
I taught Yako how to fish trout in Twin Ponds Duluth MN
I live in Washington near Puget sound...samish river is known for kings I wanna free float eggs I wanna know whats the best way
I usually go whacky rig for my pink worms but I'm gonna be trying this tomorow
Let us know how it goes! :)
Fishing with Rod well I hit two bulls but my friend slayed three silver bullets coming in behind me with some roe bags 😒
Hi Rod! Happy new year! At about the 3 minute mark you tie a bait loop knot, but with the worm already attached, and thus you can't run the other end of the line through the eye of the hook and pull it through as with a typical bait loop knot...so it seems this knot is done differently than in your video tutorial on how to tie a bait loop knot. I cannot quite figure out how you tied the egg loop knot using only a single end of the line....do you have another video that explains how to tie this knot? Thanks!
Nice, I'm gunna try a pink worm next
after seeing this, I actually want to try it when centrepin fishing :D
What size hook for steel head
It depends on what you are using and comes down to personal preferences too. Size 1/0 to 4.
What do you like to use for pink worms if you don't mind
I usually go with a 1/0 for pink worm.
Thanks my man I appreciate it
Your videos are the best man thank you thumbs up and subbed
Thank you! :)
they sell the mad river brand up here i didn't know they float just thought they were another grub im new to stheel head fishing
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Why the egg loop knot? Do you run eggs with this setup? Would a regular fishing knot work if you are not running bait too?
No particular reason really, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer to do the bait loop knot so the knot is sitting below the eye instead of on the eye where it contacts the pink worm or whatever I choose to have on the line.
Okay thank you for the fast reply. I hope the salmon fishing is better than last year cuz I did horrible...
Do you use weight @fishingwithrod
Yes you'll need to use weight for this setup. For the entire float setup for this, please watch:
th-cam.com/video/qe2VVDzpnSg/w-d-xo.html
so is there any truth to the opposite hook because Steelhead attack bait head first instead of tail first like their non-sea run counterpart rainbows?!? this has been many years since ive heard this and i am not afforded many opportunities to chase steel... as always Rod, so very helpful and informative, much of my success is owed to your fun instruction over the years!! Thank you from Lake Tahoe, Ca.
opposite hook meaning hook point towards the tail of the bait instead of towards the nose of the bait, hahha i just realized how vague i was being :)
awesome video rod
Thanks!
i find having the hook half way down the worm works best because a lot of the time the fish will only grab half the worm. Therefore with having the hook half way down the worm your chances of the fish biting the hook greatly increase.
Thanks Natalie. Yep, for sure. :) Some people like to straight hook it wacky rig style (hook it straight in the middle of the worm and let both ends dangle), which seems to work well too.
Great video man! thumbs up !@
Thank you. :)
Do u need any food with this ? @fishingwithrod
That looks like maxima... not seaguar sts trout/steelhead fluorocarbon. You must have lost more fish back then, hehe. Oh man that wiggle looks pretty nicely! I'd eat it.
Alright thank you!
Very good 👍 🔔
Thanks!
I prefer your way too. You get more action in the worm
I do the same. I thought this was just my trick. 😆
Fishing Urban Ontario never seen any1 rig it like that im from Southern ontario
Andrei Bogdan Same what rivers u fish
Never could get trout to nail these only egg sacks work for me
Interesting
I think I get it. But a picture of a hook in a lure is worth a thousand words.
This can be difficult to explain. Use a real worm and thread it onto your leader (hook) using a hollow tube that will allow you to completely hide the hook. I wish I could show you a photo of how this works. It works great on trout in fast water.
Rod, can you speak slowly and clearly please 🙏🙏🙏
👍
You always use your teeth in your video. You need to stop that. Poor teeth.
It's a terrible habit for sure, not recommended.
First
Love your videos man keep it up
Thanks Tony. :)
Never could get trout to nail these only egg sacks work for me