Why McLaren NEED to impose team orders 🔨 | Sky Sports F1 Podcast
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2016 F1 world champion Nico Rosberg and Sky Sports F1's Natalie Pinkham join Matt Baker to discuss an Italian Grand Prix that delivered the Monza Ferrari win that the home fans and Charles Leclerc were dreaming of, but left Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri and McLaren fristrated at throwing away a 1-2 victory from pole position.
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Niko is the best pundit because he’s not afraid what the top dogs at sky may say. He’s rich and doesn’t need the job unlike the other guys! Love it!
You forgot that he is also german and says what he means.
@@natashakuzmanoska9656 German/Finnish wild combo
he ran away from F1, what a prat
I find listening to him speak, like since he became an F1 driver and i first heard him speak,.... very trying. He just never seems like he is NOT selling someone something....he never seems like he's just a regular guy talking, he's always "on" and calculating........ BUT your point IS taken and I will grant him that!... he is doing them a favor to pop in when he does to play F1 journalist, and i appreciate that aspect of this tie-up,...he doesn't need the job, tho he may need the attention, but i'd like him to keep speaking 100% freely when he's playing a journalist on TV. so,....what ever.
Agreed. I'm fairly new to F1. Grew up in the US and followed NASCAR well into my 30's, but then moved to Asia and started watching F1 about 4 years ago, and it's great to see someone who is infinitely knowledgeable and who has the experience of not only racing, but winning. I think most fans, which is short for fanatics, tend to be biased in their opinions. It's really easy to know who is a Max fan versus who loves Lewis, and even who prefers Oscar over Lando within the same team, so it's refreshing to get objective feedback.
Why would Oscar want to help Lando after he acted like a spoiled child in Hungary and completely soured Oscars first win.? Oscar has moved over many times for Lando to go past and gain positions on him, including in his home race in Melbourne this year when Oscar was on for a podium finish. Looking at Oscar’s body language I think after Hungary he’s decided that Lando isn’t a very good teammate and so he’s not going to help him out. Oscar is an absolute killer on the track when he puts his mind to it and that’s what it looked like on the weekend. It looked like he just said “f you mate-gloves are off!”
Ps: Oscars pass around the outside at turn three and four on the weekend was the best overtake of the year.
Lando has a lot of growing up to do Oscar is a smart kid.
Um Lando was forced by his team, while millions were watching, to give a win to Oscar, for a mistake he did not make, while driving 100 plus miles an hour. If anything, that showed who Lando is a person, especially when these guys are taught from child hood to win at all cost. Why would Oscar beef with Lando for a team mistake, when Lando gave him the win at the end. What young racer just hands over a win??
@@ineedya123 Lol what? There was no "team" mistake. They wanted to cover off Lewis, so they let Lando undercut Oscar. It was obviously clear, that Lando would have to give the position back. And if he did that straight away, he would have had 10 laps to race for the win. Instead, he moaned like a spoiled brat and totally soured Oscar's first win. Wow, what a teammate to have. It's obvious that since then Oscar has had enough and won't play along nice given that Lando won't either.
@@72Krakenand why was Lando pitted exactly. Covering Lewis for Oscar is not Lando's job is it? (That's a stupid ass decision from mclaren though)
But Oscar was cooking his tyres. That's why Lando was pitted to cover Lewis. Had Oscar pitted first Lando definitely would've caught up to him
@@aravindhdeivag111 Lol did you even watch the race?? They covered Lewis for Lando, not for Oscar. Why would a Lando under-cut help Oscar fight Lewis, who was at that time in 3rd? Surely, if Oscar was shredding his tires like you say so, then they should have pitted him first, no? Why make him wait another three laps after Lando pitted? What you just typed makes absolutely no sense, so any further debate is just a waist of time. Bye
hungary is such bs, that win was oscars to begin with
@@molvincartoid6982 And then he lost it and couldn't get it back without it being handed to him 🤷
WTF are you on about? Oscar was 5 seconds down the road til the team gave Norris the undercut (worth around 4 seconds each time) to Norris. That’s the only reason Norris was in front. They told Oscar not to push because they were gonna swap them back, and then Lando acted like a spoilt brat for ten Laps snd ruined it for everyone. What Lando doesn’t realise, is that pissed Oscar off so now the gloves are off.
@@mintoxace5571 if I'm not mistaken the team always priorities Norris with the pits and strategy.
Today I watched ffs and MW remind us , Piastri is the driver who finished every single lap of the season to date.
It wasn't that a Sainz crashed into him, he lost good position due to broken front wing and been forced to pit and finished outside points?
Pinkham: "It's not realistic though in F1 to say you don't place your bets on one driver, because ultimately only one driver can win the championship".
All the while, the presence of Nico frikkin' Rosberg isn't enough to remind Natalie about 2016. I don't mind that British broadcasters are showing a bias for the British driver, that's entirely normal, but at least be honest about it and don't try to hide under a facade of impartiality.
Also sky f1, remember when you interviewed oscar with doubt, and questioned if he was ruthless enough to win a f1 champ? This is his response to you.
You people know that Mark is managing Piastri, right? And given his past in Redbull, do you not see what type of contract Piastri will have?? It's so obvious Piastri is racing just for McLaren & himself, not to help his teammate Lando & play the number 2 driver.
This is the first time i have seen this mentioned and have wondered it myself for a while now. He for sure has a #1 driver clause or atleast a non #2 clause
I'm sure they know. It's been mentioned by every media outlet at this point.
McLaren are stupid if they put one driver ahead of the team's interests. I mean who wants to push for a number 1 when they are both very capable? The key is in a situation like Monza to instruct drivers to maintain grid positions for the initial laps, and protect the lead driver. It's just not that difficult
Lol you're saying this like you didn't hear Nico say this on the sky post race broadcast Sunday.
Mclaren surely has clauses in his contract, and if they don't, I doubt they care because they know Oscar ain't going nowhere
It’s great to have Nico on the F1 coverage. Insightful, entertaining and enthusiastic. One of the very best on the team.
The amount of pressure the British media is lumping on Lando is crazy, pretty sure Oscar is at home sharpen his knife enjoying the pressure mounting on Lando :)
@@coffeehouse44 The lad just isn’t built for it. Definitely more Barrichello than Schumacher or Button.
@@TheFinalMeowntdownit’s cause right now he thinks the team don’t back him to win the championship, they are just thinking about the constructors. Every world champion has had their team backing them, but McLaren are backing both having two number 1 drivers. You can’t have that
@@TheFinalMeowntdownOscar is showing himself to be a Schumacher, were as Lando is showing himself to be a Barrichello. Oscar has at least five of the top ten overtakes for the 2024 season. McLaren must realise that Oscar has more chance of winning multiple WDCs than Lando.
Wait and see
@@tominenonen-millar7805 dont ever have kids...you will favour one over the other.
Nico tells it like it is love his questions of the teams.
Nico has a short memory, remember when he backed up at Monaco during qualifying causing a red flag, he had a different point of view when fighting Hamilton haha
Keep Nico!!
Nico is insightful, relevant and respectful, someone we can learn something from, in contrast to the other pundit
Nico would be a great coach for Norris, teach him how to beat his team mate; how to protect his position and grow some balls.
Nico has more bark than balls. He refused to defend the 2016 title Mercedes helped him get by retiring quickly after he won that single WDC against his bff Hamilton.
I think Rosberg didn’t really like what/who he had to become to a world champion… I can see Lando having similar issues and also having a similar reaction if he wins one title. Why put your family through the stress if you don’t have to. Big fan of this Rosberg, I think he knows that team orders never really work how you want them to as well.
@disapphire i dont see a problem with what Rosberg did. Your point is invalid here
@@ssekid1046 funny because you don't get to dictate who has a point or not.
@@disapphire That is a hollow argument. He won, didn't he? And he knew Mercedes would not let that happen again so why bother?
Can we please stop giving Taylor Swift attention at the start of every podcast
Or at all
The bias to LN is just mental. It's like the BS about Hungary.. OP got to T1 and drove off earning rights to be serviced first yet they pit LN first BOTH times at a track with a big UC advantage yet they say OP was gifted the win, WTH?? First pit was to cover Lewis the second seemed for no reason so absolutely the should have swapped them around as OP did what the team said and cruised as he was told not to worry as they would be swapped back .. How these guys seem to forget what happened just shows the bias, it's laughable..
Lando said himself on the weekend he wants to race and OP is obliging.. Can't have it both ways.
Do you think RB would allow their second driver to challenge or takeaway points from Max at this point in the season?
OP isn´t really a number two driver, not yet anyway.
He is the real deal, where Perez is more a very good journeyman...
@@B-kl8vj Piastri isn’t their second driver mate 💀
I agree, the bias for LN is crazy. Nothing he's done this year shows why he should be prioritised over OP at all this year. Each win LN had was deserved and at the same time, each loss LN got was also deserved simply because he wasn't able to be faster than OP. This race in Monza was so clear that OP has his days where he drives better than LN and the issue is that both of them have their days. They're consistent in that they are constantly finishing top 4 each race but also inconsistent to the fact that depending on the track OP can be faster than LN and vice versa.
I mean if you look at the standings. Lando is closer to Oscar than he is closer to Max right now. Oscar is absolutely in the battle for P2 or P3 in the WDC. Until Lando can close that gap ON HIS OWN MERIT, Papaya Rules should be priority and they both should be allowed to race.
And in spite of that there are so many clueless and deluded people who think lando "gifted" oscar that win. 😂😂😂 imagine the disconnect.
Mark Webber isn’t going to let Oscar make the same mistakes he made. Oscar also talks with Alonso a lot. Neither Alonso, Max or Lewis would help their team mate win a title over themselves. Oscar is out for himself and pushing things like champions do. If Lando doesn’t take the same tact, he’s going to end up like Webber did at RB.
I find it quite sad that the media is calling for team orders for the British driver. When infact if it's team orders for anyone else . They always say how can they do this
@@nsimossimos339team orders were already used in Hungary. Stop your stupid hypocrisy
Webber tried to sabotage Vettels 2012 championship and then winged about Vettel ignoring multi 21.
Piastri should remember that team orders and team work goes both ways as Lando already proved in Hungary.
@@nsimossimos339 Yep the bias is sickening.. Crofty in the call did my head in crying about OP doing what he did.. Why would OP want LN to even get the title as LN would then be even more emboldened to say "I'm number 1" Bugger that, be ruthless and look after yourself and bugger the rest..
@@paperplane-db8qf do you not remember 2010 Webber was leading that championship in the last race and they prioritised Vettel. So I would say he would have been bitter in 2012
Rosberg's logic is impeccable. That's the kind of mindset that would enable someone to defeat Hamilton for the title-seizing every opportunity. McLaren's approach, on the other hand, might not be as efficient or infallible, but by allowing their drivers to compete freely rather than designating a number one, they inadvertently propelled Hamilton to a championship in his rookie year. Now a legend with more titles than many accomplished drivers have wins or simple podiums, McLaren's strategy has its merits. Perhaps they prioritize historical significance over immediate numerical success. By sacrificing a few seasons, they might cultivate another legendary driver. Only time will tell
@@CoolWatchesOnly ChatGPT vibes here 😂 Lewis didn’t win in his rookie season, but he broke Fernando fricking Alonso, the matador and bane of Michael Schumacher, only the cheatingest driver and team in history, forevermore - no small accomplishment, arguably bigger than Nico’s pyrrhic championship run over Lewis nine years later!
@@TheFinalMeowntdown Chat GPT 🤣 Man, they lost it by 1 point. You don’t get it; they made him able to get up there to begin with. They could perfectly tell him to learn from Alonso and to support him, 11 out of 10 teams would've done that, not McLaren. WTF, GPT? If anything, the thing would get that fact right, wouldn’t it?
But Hamilton didn't win his rookie season? He managed to win 2008 but McLaren hasn't won any title since. It's not like they had so many opportunities they can afford to sit this one out. There's no guarantee they'll be able to get close next year. This is 100% self sabotage on McLaren's part to me.
@@cyan_oxy6734They are the second most successful constructors after Ferrari and didn’t get this rocket of a car by ‘luck,’ as some people like to say (it’s especially frustrating when journalists say it). They must be doing something right. There’s still no station wagon family car McLaren, they don’t sell sugary drinks but cutting-edge sports cars and hypercars, that's what they're doing, is not a mistake is a decision.
I think Mclaren has a fair structure for the first half of the season. Let both drivers start at 0, and then drive their way to number 1. The 2nd half of the season, why not build a structure where the team supports the driver who has proven to be higher in points. Merit and intelligence. Oscar drove his way to number 4 in the title fight, Lando did and went up to number 2, why not let that be the logical choice. It makes not sense at this moment to have the drivers fight each other, and hand over wins to the other teams.
Lando used to say about Lewis “anyone on the grid would win if they had his car”, speaking about the golden years. I guess it’s all easy when you’re not in the light.
Norris just isn't consistently doing what he should....simple.
He's more consistent than Oscar, and that's a fact.
Exactly.
Starting with his.... starts 😁
@@csgrmvrck003He’s not though, Lando is just more lucky. Check the last 6 races, Oscar is the top scorer.
@@csgrmvrck003 He's definitely more consistent but Bottas, Perez or other no.2's don't just roll over and let the main guy win, they are rarely in a position to do so because the likes of Max and Lewis are far enough ahead for it not to matter.
@@Slipstream_merchantbut the season didn't start 6 races ago did it?
British media is against team orders, until there’s a British driver fighting for a championship.
Team orders are only requested for Mclaren not Merc, Ferrari, etc... Don't exaggerate the issue
Yes Nico Rosberg, the famous British driver.
@@carobahena6134 it’s not that simple really. We aren’t talking about team orders when two drivers are fighting for the championship. If Oscar wanted to battle he needed to capitalize earlier in the season like Lando did. Lando is the one with a mathematical chance. Oscar doesn’t have that chance this season so he should customarily make way, so that perhaps Lando will help him when his time comes. The points didn’t fall Oscars way this season.
@@saberathena468 But Oscar CAN still mathematically win the DC, so it's more complex than that.
@@saberathena468 shows you went to school. There's 8 races to go with 3 sprint races. 224 points still on the table and that's not counting fastest lap.
Ah we're back to the "we WANT team orders" part of the ouroboros. Just wait.
It's pathetic, imo. If we want certain drivers to achieve their success on merit (without any artificial aids) we should keep it consistent for ALL drivers and encourage each driver to earn their championships on their own.
Team orders is a strategy call. No, it shouldn’t be used all the time or just whenever the team wants. It has to be part of a strategy just like there are strategies in every sport. With the chance McLaren has for BOTH championships, a team order at this point will be a strategic call.
@@user-hv1km8rs7s EXACTLY, idk why people think fighting each other for third would be better racing than getting one of them to fight for 1st
I am fed up with the adds
I think its hypocrisy. In this particular case they want Lando to beat Max, so they will contradict any prior conviction without a thought.
Everyone suggesting that Oscar should help Lando win the Drivers' Championship is overlooking one key point: If Lando wins, Oscar gains nothing but stands to lose significantly. In fact, Oscar would likely do everything possible to prevent Lando from winning, and McLaren can’t stop him, no matter how much they want Lando to succeed. Here’s why: If Lando wins this year, 2025 will see the spotlight shift even more towards him. The media and fans will subconsciously label Oscar as the No. 2 driver, and internally, Lando could start receiving preferential treatment from the team, jeopardizing Oscar's 2025 title chances. History shows that being a teammate to a world champion is challenging, and Mark Webber, Oscar's manager, knows this well from his own experience as a No. 2 driver. He wouldn’t let that happen to Oscar and will likely ensure his contract protects him from being forced into a supporting role. To be clear, Oscar will cooperate if it’s about the Team Championship.
Thats a slippery slope which will lead to enmity between them and ultimately force one of the out of the team like Hamilton and Rosberg.
This. The biased Brits just can't see the facts. Also Lando is already getting the preferential treatment, yet biased Brits reporters and hosts still don't see it. Who pitted first in Monza? It was Lando, both times he pitted first. Normally the leading car should have the first choice to pit.
First let Lando catch up to Max and then only Oscar can help him. Lando must earn it.
All these British media pushing for McLaren to establish team orders so their Brit can win the championship.
i think it would be the worse thing that could happen to Lando now if Piastri pulls over and lets him past. Lando has 8 races left to show he can be a worthy WDC. For his own sake, he has to do that now without any blatent team orders
We agree. Do you believe the hype that the Red Bull team & Max will not win another race this season as they will not resolve the tire management gremlin currently holding them back?
With 8 races left in such a tight field, why would Mclaren want to risk a driver proving to the team they are worthy when Lando has 2 wins vs 1 gifted win in Oscar. Lando is number 2 in the title fights not Oscar. It's not about who is best, it' about beating Red Bull in both fights. Who cares about this now, the season is almost over.
Lando should've won a few races this year that he didn't due to his and the teams poor in race strategy decisions.
Had he won a couple of them, Oscar wouldn't be close to him in points.
Most championships have been won with the help of team orders, so it wouldnt be wong for Mclaren to do the same
Yes I believe the same thing too. He should be ruthless. Atleast show people that even if he doesn't win wdc he won't be bullied by Oscar.
If he wins the wdc without team orders where he squabbles a few with Oscar and destroys him in head to head battle, he'll absolutely gain all his confidence
Just about every biased British F1 media show are almost begging/crying for McLaren to let Lando win..........
I'm sure every countries f1 coverage will be biased.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with British media and everything to do with giving a driver a shot at a championship.
It's almost like people forgot Mika and Coulthard exist and how British Media were fine with DC being #2 so that Mika could beat The Michael.
.... stop being so narrow-minded.
@@Storm_CW DC was number 2 in talent, not team orders. the only time DC had team orders was toward end of season where he was out of contention. Even DC now admits that he only rarely could beat Mika
No we just want a fight for the title . If Oscar was as close then I would want him winning . It’s that simple and I’m British
It’s not British Bias. Nico is German, you wally! It’s also common sense!! Norris can genuinely challenge Verstappen for the Driver’s Title. Piastri is far behind Norris, let alone Verstappen! It’s maths and probability! Got nothing to do with bias…. It’s about trying to secure both Championships!
Finally someone called out that Oscar is still mathematically capable of winning so why would he back off … until he is not able to win the drivers championship he is not going to support the other guy … thanks Niko
Mathematically yes, realistically not in 100 seasons.
@@NeRa101Pretty sure he scored more points than lando in the last races. I wouldn't say it's that clear cut.
@@NemXX2how many races are you talking about? Because over the two races since the summer break Lando has out scored Oscar 42-30.
If Piastri was British, the Media would be questioning right now if Norris was champion material. As praising McLaren for avoiding Team orders.
But is not, we can't prove your hypothesis
Everyone is questioning if Norris is championship material, even the British. Such lazy drivel bringing out the British bias card again.
@@KailamiMwiinga you know it's true. Don't deny reality
@@ab8jeh Brits are absolutely not questioning Lando's ability. Not all english comments = Brits
@@KailamiMwiinga just as we can't prove if Norris wins the WDC with Oscar's help, do you see the hypocrisy?
When Lando was spanking his team mate Ricciardo 3 years ago he had a relaxed cocky swagger, now Lando is finding it hard to beat his team mate and it shows in his psychology
What are you saying, the whole first half of the season lando beat Oscar hands down. Its why we are in this position now.
@@ssekid1046 "first half" That's the problem though.
He was also a rookie..
@@sofiaarevalotoledo9147was in his third season LOL
So Papaya rules allegedly asked that turn one was covered by both cars. Lando therefore ends up on the inside and off the racing line. Great teamwork! Now maintain that through the next few corners and the team has a 1st and second. Nope! Oscars decision is, lets take advantage of the fact the team order hindered Norris' exit. Look, if Piastri passed a competitor in the same manor that would have my attention. Lando has had the better of him all season though, and let's be realistic sacrificed a better position to play the team game in Belgium. So no! Lando isn't finding it difficult to beat his team mate. The team leadership is weak. And Oscar knows he's not enough so took a chance. As soon as Lando figures this out Piastri won't get a sniff.
No you’ve got it all wrong. The payback for Hungary happened on the day. They undercut Oscar twice to get Lando in front. The payback bit was when Lando let the through the guy who dominated the race up to final stops.
Oscar and Lando have both scored 85 points the last 5 races. Lando might have more points but Oscar has been the one making the moves instead of going backwards... I know who I'd favour.
You think Oscar can win the WDC? I recall Oscar been overtaken and gapped by LeClerc at the Dutch GP in the last race for a podium. A pre-Monza Ferrari upgrades...
@@KailamiMwiinga And I recall Lando flubbing multiple wins in the midseason and botching every pole position he gets. If he wants to be treated as a WDC contender he should start acting like one.
@@PeterTeal77 Atleast lando had the chance to fight for multiple wins, unlike your guy.
@@VTiDelSol Oscar was close to already equaling Norris in wins, lucky for the Ferrari hail Mary.
@@VTiDelSol yeah, fair point, but adding a tenth or two of pace to a driver in his second year is a lot easier than adding mental fortitude and race craft to one in his sixth.
Just let Oscar race and let Lando try and beat him. British media's monopoly of the F1 world feed is putting pressure on Piastri to just let Lando win. Lewis and Max beat their teammates on the track let Lando try that too.
how can you let Lando win if he loses his pole positions every other race before they get to lap 2?
Thank goodness for Zach Browne who seems to be the only one who knows what racing is all about. The championship means nothing when there is no racing involved. You gotto earn that title and not expect it to be handed to you.
Right he said it himself, he wishes lando wouldn’t be forcing the team into this position
Lando is not doing a champion drive to be honest. He’s quicker than Oscar in qualifying, but that’s due to his experience
In most races this year, Lando has been faster... I watched LeClerc drive passed Oscar at the Dutch GP in a pre-Monza upgrade...
@@KailamiMwiingaFast and champion drives are two different things. Max didn’t set a single foot wrong in last three title and on the other hand, Lando makes mistakes after mistake
@@Shortguyz you are watching in Black and white... Max made soooo many mistakes in 2021, was handed the championship in 2022 by Ferrari after 6 races and made so many mistakes in 2022 and 2023 the rest of the grid was driving Teslas.. This year his made at least 7 costly errors and his had the best car for most of the season...
Point is: your argument for Oscar been "champion drive" is something we haven't seen yet thus flawed.. We have seen Champions drive from Max, Lewis, Alonso and LeClerc (once from Sainz)...
@@KailamiMwiinga You are the one who is watching it black and white. I have watched this sport for more than a decade and half. Lando is a good driver, but as it stands now he makes one too many mistakes for a world champion driver. In 2021, Vertappen was so good and did most things right with the machinery he had.
PIA has shown on last races he is better than NOR, that’s why MCL is letting PIA fight to NOR
that's my guess too!
They would instruct Piastri to stop it if they thought they were equals, as Norris has at least a chance this year
But they don't think that, they KNOW Piastri would be better pretty soon, so why piss him off?
Yes they want to loose both championships that is why they let them fight.
@@steffighter144 Clowns asking for handoffs wins. Really entertaining races with all teams deciding their drivers positions and results. Awesome
That race is the wake up call Lando needed to cover all bases. If you keep your lead at the start, it is not over and you need to make it as difficult as you can for the whole of that lap to prevent overtakes! He should have covered himself by taking a more neutral racing line so making it harder to overtake on either side at that chicane. He should have known that in the first lap everybody is going to be close behind and that he should be covering that very manoeuvre Piastri did, which was an excellent move.
Lando is getting a lot of learning done this season that I think he was lacking and this should toughen him up or it could send him the other way and Piastri will accelerate away from him.
Do you believe the hype that the Red Bull team & Max will not win another race this season as they will not resolve the tire management gremlin currently holding them back?
Well said, Oscar was mighty impressive at Monza, just by demonstrating that self belief and confidence to just blow by Lando and take the lead like he owns the place, like a Max or a Schumacher would.
Lando now has the problem of being of being psyched out by his Teammate, if Oscar out qualifies him and runs away with the next race, it will be devastating for Lando, not only for his Championship , but for his career, lol..
Very disrespectful of you guys to focus on McLaren when Ferrari absolutely smoked them on the strategic side. If ferrari made a blunder, that would be talked about until the end of the season.
Oh please. McLaren dropped the ball. They didn't even try the 1-stop. Team and drivers a mess.
@@ciaronsmith4995 it wasnt as simple as that. Ferrari had nothing to lose holding out to see if they could make 1 stop work - it was a free roll of the dice. If it didn't work they were still going to get 3rd
@@mutleyeng Yes it was as simple as that. Lando locked up his front left which prevented him from doing so, and Piastri's strategy was brainless.
@ciaronsmith4995 Lewis Hamilton said in his post race interview that, when bono told him Oscar and Landos laptimes he knew they wouldn't make it to the end. They were doing low 23s while Leclerc mid 23.
Ferrari hardly "smoked" them. They got lucky that track temps dropped when they did and the excellent driving from Leclerc nursed those tyres home just in-time. If it was a true masterclass then Sainz would have ended on the podium too but his tyres fell off too soon. Great drive from both and good reaction from Ferrari to go for the one-stop but let's not overstate it.
Why are people trying to insist on gifting Lando a world championship?
Should he not earn it on merit?
Why would you need to put team orders to handicap the other driver when the difference in points is so great between Max and Lando?
Come on, please be objective in your comments Sky Sports
This is cute.
Oh it’s not like bottas and Perez were not told to play games for years with Lewis and max, let’s all just calm down. It’s the right thing to do cos Piastri can’t win the title but Norris can.
@@jacklowe3037 Bottas and Perez should not be named in the same sentence here. How many team orders did Perez get vs Bottas? Remember the whole Valtteri, it's James thing. Hamilton needed his teammate to let him through on ten times more occasions than Max needed Perez to let him through
@@Peter-fm3wr that’s because bottas is 10 times the driver Perez is and a lot of times they’d just pit Perez in a way which let max go in-front naturally so there can be no complaints. And I still have Brazil 22 in my mind when max got told to Perez through on the line for P5 to get second in the drivers for Perez and max didn’t let him.
Lol and gifting Oscar the win in Hungary was on merit? The team made a mistake with their orders and unfairly put Lando in that position, he was quicker regardless. What, if Oscar was in the lead but had a crap pitstop of 12 seconds, would you tell Lando to give it back? No.
"I'm not here to beg someone to let me pass" L. Norris.
Let them race !
@@blue04mx53 Sure. But why was then Lando begged and even kinda blackmailed to let Oscar pass him in Hungary, with a promise that Oscar would help him one day?
I think it is great for them to race, and it is fun to watch, but if you can have a team strategy which will help as well, it is easier.
@@MM-tz2bs lando was begged because the team let lando undercut oscar who on that day drove brilliantly and they knew it was their fault so they had to reinstate the position as oscar deserved to win that race its really two different situations,
@@StevovoMakgeng okay, and? As lando said, let oscar catch him and he will let him pass. Oscar couldnt do that. This was a McLaren mistake and they created the whole mess with how they undercut Oscar, but why was that Lando's problem then. Lando didnt have to agree to give back the position to Oscar. And yet he did.
"The way to win a championship is with the team. You're going to need Oscar and you're going to need the team"
McLaren AKA Gaslighting R us
People who understand Formula 1 and it's history (look up 2007 season when Kimi Raikonen won WDC with Ferrari by 1 point while Hamilton and Alonso were in McLaren civil war).
I don't care for Lando Norris but there is no argument that if McLaren care to win both championships they have to carry him as a team, something Schumacher got from Ferrari in his days to the point of taking parts from his teammate's car and excluding teammates from meetings.
Fans hate it and naive simpletons think it's completely unnecessary, but ruthless team mentality brings the maximum dominance allowed by resources.
If you're rooting for Verstappen, keep saying "McLaren should have two No1 drivers and Norris doesn't deserve to be a champion"; because that helps Max.
Funny they miss that Charles is 24 off lando, British flogs think Lando can win 8 races in a row. Just look at the winners this year, no one winning week after week. 6 drivers will take Landos points he will end up 3rd in the WDC
@@5150TJT I’m willing to bet that both Oscar and Charles pass Lando by the end of the season. So 4th. 😎
He doesn't need to win them all. Just be ahead of max sufficiently or am I wrong 🤔
Actually Max was winning race after race at the beginning of this season, before the tire management gremlin stepped in.
Do you believe the hype that the Red Bull team & Max will not win another race this season as they will not resolve the tire management gremlin currently holding them back?
@@midas7394 why Max is one of the 6 drivers.
Again. Ferrari isn’t on same pace as mcl week in week out
Dont understand this nattative at all. Why should a championship be handed to Norris? If you cant overtake, tough.
The team's goal is to win the championship - they don't care which of the two drivers win - they need to do whatever they can to make up the mathematical gap
It's to win the constructors they don't care who gets max points
@@ktr_YT1 for the same reason Merc handed it to Lewis or RB to Max so they can WIN the title. 😂
@@rikudotenin9773 they don't care who finishes higher in the race once they win the constructors championship. If Mclaren thought Norris was a serious contender to Max they would have called team orders.
@@ktr_YT1 that might be true but they should be doing everything they can to help him win which is more than possible considering the point gap would be down to 45 if they had done so already.
Kimi Raikkonen won the 2007 WDC, after Ferrari prioritised him, and Massa literally donated P1 in the Brazilian GP.
But what do people remember? They remember Alonso vs Hamilton...and the British media loved it because Hamilton is British and was given a chance to compete.
Given a chance to compete? He nearly won it on the penultimate race except for the pit entry error.
@JesusH.Tap-Dancingchrist7328 The levels of English comprehension are plummeting.
Hamilton nearly won it precisely because McLaren didn't slow him down... They allowed him to compete with Alonso and Raikkonen benefitted.
No one cares about the 2007 WDC anymore.
Lewis lost the championship in the China gravel trap
Brazil gearbox is what ultimately did him in@@JesusH.Tap-Dancingchrist7328
@@HabitualLine-Stepper sorry but that isn’t what happened in 2007. Lewis tied with points with alonso by race 3 and then at no other point in the season did alonso ever overtake him again in the championship.
Whatever British delusion you’ve convinced yourself of, Lewis wasn’t almost 2 races behind alonso on points with 8 races to go. He was a race and a bit ahead on points.
McLaren gave him the chance as he was best positioned for the title, alonso didn’t like it, the garage split down the middle and they ended up throwing the whole thing away to a unified team in Ferrari.
Lando needs to grow a pair. Oscar is wdc material. Off the bat.
I may be delusional but if the McLaren car stays this good then I can see Oscar winning in 2025 or 26
I like Lando and would like to see him win the WDC, with or without Oscars help.
I was on the fence with Oscar as he seemed a little inconsistent, BUT at Monza the confidence and poise he showed there has just blown my mind.
The way he just blew past Lando and just set fast, consistent laps in the lead, was Senna/Schumacher like, that sort of natural talent and self belief, is mighty impressive for a Driver in only his second season.
He definitely showed the he has got that 'X' factor.
Now I'm worried about Lando, if Oscar smokes him again in upcoming races, Lando is going to have to really get a grip on himself,.
I like how people make Oscar villain 😂 keep going
Hey Sky Oscar gave Lando points in Melbourne.. short memory...
In the race where they didn't look mathematically in contention or in any position of looking like title contenders?
Nothing to do with short memory and everything to do with relevance to what has been evident since Miami, but ok mate. 😂
No he didn't he was faster and after he passed him he created an over 5 second gap, which you can't if you're slower!!
@@Vanns_F1 Well then lets see him overtake Max on his own ... oh wait Charles is 24 points off Lando with a team mate that will help him. Sky should ask Lewis, George, Charles, Carlos, Max and Oscar not to race Lando 😆😆😆. Anyone who thinks none of those drivers will win any of the last 8 races is on drugs..
@@Storm_CW Nobody seems to remember that it was Oscar who was in the box seat for Miami victory after Verstappen’s crash until practically everybody else got a free pit stop behind the safety car right after his pit stop. He’d been gapping Lando for most of the race at that point. Lando drove well, true, but he had a Verstappen in a Red Bull that had lost its wings behind him and an empty racetrack ahead. I’m not refuting that Lando has had some rotten luck over the years, but both this year and last the majority of the curses have befallen the young gun. I’ve been starting to worry that he was gonna be one of those perennially unlucky drivers with all the talent in the world that just keep getting screwed over. You can hardly claim that anything has ever fallen into his lap. That inherited P2 behind Russell in Austria is the closest I can get to a lucky moment of note…
@@TheFinalMeowntdown You have to put yourself in the position to capitalise on a safety car when it comes. Oscar cooked his tyres so had to pit. Lando was still going faster on his old mediums than those on their fresh tyres before the safety car - he earned that position by driving smart.
Let Oscar race!!
Why is Piastri under obligation to give Lando a win? If he can’t win the race on merit then he doesn’t deserve the Championship. I’m so sick of this British bias.
Is this your first season watching F1 or something? That's not how championships are won.
It's a team sport. Learn f1
@@weallfollowmanutd Aw, did I hurt your feelings? Screw your Lando. Looking forward to him whining his way to losing the championship.
@@SomeTH-camGuy Your assumption that I’m a novice in F1 shows your obvious bias.
@@Alpha5echo Why do you assume I'm a Lando fan? Grow up. I'm actually a fan of the technical side, not a little fan boy
...do they forget how Piastri was poached from Alpine....I wonder what his contract has specified, Zac wouldn't be saying 'we have two #1 drivers' if the contract(s) defined otherwise....
I mean Piastri is being managed by Webber and I would assume Webber would've fought for Oscar to not just be seen as #2
That's fine, have two number 1s, who ever is higher, the team should back that guy in the last part of the season. Both of these guys started at 0. It's not time to take the trophy home, so contract means nothing, if the points don't add up in the title fight.
He has the fastest car. He should be winning all the time...Its easy, right...
Who? Oscar?
Indeed 😁 It's HIS time now, right
Could not care less if Lando wins a championship; if he can't win it on merit he doesn't deserve to be champ.
Definitely, if he actually wins it won't feel like he really deserved it.
Yeah how false would that feel, world champion when your team mate helped you?
@@marie.777I think Lando would feel exactly the same. I don't want the team order bullshit. He should just send everything for the rest of the races and win it emphatically. Will be quite a statement
No driver wins a title alone. They are part of a team. Lando moved over for Oscar in Hungary because they are team mates.
Am I the only one that enjoyed watching Vettel and Webber battle it out.
When?
@@KailamiMwiinga Pretty much the entire time Vettel was at Red Bull. Find the race where Mark flipped his car end over end .
They never give up.
British reporters/commentators given a hint of a possible English win and off they go.
SKY'S pre show was terrible. English drivers (l include Ambom) only. Non stop
They have gone on and one against Red Bull for preferences to one driver over the other. Never mentioned that Hamilton was given preference.
When it suits them, like now, off they go.
'Shoukd have been team orders from Miami, even though Piastri would have won had Norris not been lucky with the safety car.
Absolutely correct.
@@Alan-mj5ms Crofty and brundle kept talking about Norris catching up for P1 until literally the last lap when they had to talk about Leclerc.
The way that Oscar demonstrated that ruthless, Senna/Schumacher style, win at all costs attitude and self belief at Monza is what should be worrying Lando and his media Buddies.
If Lando doesn't pull his finger out and grow some, he'll be Oscars bitch by the end of the season.
Being part of a championship winning team brings advantages and big money for development giving Oscar a great chance of becoming a Champion at McLaren during his contract. There's a bigger picture and possible delayed reward. He might be able to overtake Norris but his team might get overtaken by Ferrari, RB or Mercedes next year if they don't force their advantage as a team now.
If “F1 is back to its very best” then stopping Piastri from racing is NOT the very best. There are & races to go!!
These pundits mustn’t think much of Norris ability if they think he can’t win the championship without Piastri pulling aside and waving him past.
If Lando needs protection from Piastri then he’s not WDC material. First beat your team mate then you’re good enough to beat Max.
Nobody puts "Worthy" next to WDC... 74, All the Nelson Piquet wins, 95, 96, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2021, etc are examples of years the WDC didn't go to a worth winner.. Nobody cares about how they got it..
Do you believe the hype that the Red Bull team & Max will not win another race this season as they will not resolve the tire management gremlin currently holding them back?
I have only followed the sport since 1967, but I am at a loss to understand as to why Oscar is mathematically out of contention and therefore we should be supporting Lando? They need to stop trying to engineer champions.
lando fans want this. most of us want to see good racing
I'd suggest you do the maths. Yes, Oscar still has a mathematical chance to win the title, but it would involve Max DNF-ing at multiple events which with today's reliability is hugely unlikely. This is not a Lando bias thing. It's a look at the fecking numbers thing.
You followed it how? TH-cam doesn't have a large font size 😂😂😂 (I work with persons with disabilities I know this)...
Also, it is clear, RB will not win the Constructors championship... Lastly, it is clear that Lando can catch Max and Oscar can't do that
@@fletch9702 We both know mathematically means "impossible or divine intervention". Oscar has to surpass LeClerc first...
This is very dumb - mathematically
@KailamiMwiinga I attended races in person from 1967 up to 2024 and read about the races in newspapers before the internet..
Today, I don't need glasses to read or drive at the age of seventy. My company sponsored McLaren for many, many years. I have personally met and spoken with most of the drivers over the years...and you?
Lando needs to help him self by learning to get off the line better.
The British media is obsessed with Lando winning the WDC.
The WDC is for the best driver, not the best team.
Papaya rules are great - let them race and if Max wins the WDC then he deserves it because he is not getting much help from Perez.
I wasn’t a huge fan of Nico during his racing career , but I really love him now , he is so bold and straightforward
Why should piastri help lando now when lando making so much mistake and getting the favoured pit stop? If maclaren pit piastri after norris on the last pit stop pastri would of won. Why you guys don't mention that? The world is watching and alot of people asking the question that you guys don't talk about. It is crazy to say piastri not helping lando when lando get the best chance. How they are treating piastri only let him drive better and that is not good for lando. 😂
Brazilian McLaren fan here: no team orders! The team should focus on the WCC, and if Lando wants to win the WDC, he should do it on pace. There's a reason why Senna is a legend and Barrichello is laughed at: team orders suck.
Clearly Natalie has never heard of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost.
Of course not, she’s a diversity hire like most of the wine mums that Sky employs for their F1 coverage these days.
She’s hired because she’s a woman.
Why do you want Lando? If he is good enough, he would be doing better. The bottom line is , Oscar is already better at times, and this will only be more often as he gains more experience. Lando does not deserve to be a WC with his current performance level.
How come he has more points then?
@@s2seltaeb
Landos no slouch, it's just that Oscar is getting used to the tracks, tires, set up etc., and, as he showed at Monza, Oscar's got that ruthless, Senna/Schumacher, win at all costs, self belief, that Lando is a bit short of.
By the end of the year Lando will be Oscars bitch, if he doesn't pull his finger out.
What if...
Oscar is on pole next race !
He will win. period
Yes, this is Lando's dilema now, he is in danger of getting completely psyched out.
If Oscar gets pole and runs away with the next race, Landos gonna be in a bad way.
I can’t think of ANY world champion who had his team mate overtake him on the outside at a chicane
Really? When did you start watching F1?
@@KailamiMwiingait’s never been done there before.
@@mintoxace5571 Monza? Any Chicane? I am lost😂😂... Button overtook Hamilton on a chicane in Canada, Massa passed Raikkonen on a Chicane (team orders), Hill and whatever his name in 96, Senna/Prost, Nelson Piquet and whatever his name was, list is endless
Check your original statement...
Hamilton famously overtook multiple world champion teammate, Fernando Alonso, around the outside in his first corner in a Formula 1 car which was pretty much a chicane
They do NOT "need" to impose team orders. What an obnoxious headline. Sick of the media screaming when a team wants to let their drivers race. The media just hates it when teams don't have a Schumacher/Barrichello situation.
As a Brit I’ve become completely embarrassed by SSF1 punditry//brazen bias & support to British drivers. Brundle the only person I respect. Who as a real F1 fan wants Team Orders?!?!.. Schumacher days forgotten then?! I mean Rosberg advocating for Team Orders of all people!!…wonder if he says the same thing to Aussie TV?!
Lando is realistically in the title fight, Oscar is mathematically in the title fight. If Mclaren doesn't want to favor one driver over another, fine. I think that is great. But they have to adhere to that mentality all the time. Don't force Lando to let Piastri past when it was team strategy that put him behind, then a few weeks later say it's up to Lando to race hard if he wants to win.
The team stole a legitimate win from Lando, and gave it to Oscar, to cover up their poor decision making. And this past we they sacrificed a win because they are unwilling to look at the numbers objectively. NOTHING was to be gained for the team by Oscar compromising Lando at turn 4. Regardless of anything else, priority should have been to keep Leclerc behind. Even if every driver wants to win, you are still part of a team, and no one wins anything on their own.
Mathematically in it means "impossible" in sporting terms...
You seem to forget that Piastri was leading in Hungary and McLaren gave the undercut to the trailing car instead of the leading car. Same again in Monza.
Do you believe the hype that the Red Bull team & Max will not win another race this season as they will not resolve the tire management gremlin currently holding them back?
Do you believe the hype that the Red Bull team & Max will not win another race this season as they will not resolve the tire management gremlin that is currently holding them back?
Please refer to the 2023 AZERBAIJAN race results where Lando was 80 seconds behind the leader.
@@AUmarcus exactly. The team made a mistake, and then asked Lando to cover for them by letting piastri go by. Yet last week, when Piastri made a mistake by cutting off Lando and giving Leclerc the win, the team said that Lando needs to race harder. So rather than support the driver who REALISTICALLY has a chance at the title, they either sabotage him directly or waffle on the decision to prioritize his chances of victory. Whats the point of having a team if they don’t actually have your back?
To start the season, Lando got all the upgrades first, got all preferred strats, multiple races for Piastri were ruined. Since Monaco (Piastris first race with fully upgraded and equal car), he is up something like 156-140 in points against Lando over that stretch of races. Is mathematically closer to Lando then Lando is to Max. Lando has lost the lead 6/6 times on lap 1 this season and multiple times to Oscar. Lando does not deserve to get special treatment what so ever. Flashback to 2022 season and people whining for Perez to be allowed to race Max, when statiscally he has lost all three seasons by 150-292 points and is obviously never going to be able to beat Max, hypocrisy at its finest.
100% correct mate. Not to mention Oscar has already moved aside many times for Lando to get better positions in races without fighting him as requested by the team. However, after Lando acted like a spoiled brat in Hungary when he had to give back the position that Oscar had rightfully earned by being much faster in the first two stents at Hungary, I think Oscar is sick of Lando’s bullshit and he’s just not gonna cooperate any more.
I was on the fence about Oscar he seemed a little inconsistent, but at Monza, the self belief and poise he showed by just blowing past Lando and setting fast consistent laps, in the lead, like he owned the place, was mighty impressive, especially considering it is only his second season.
His psychological strength and natural confidence is up there with the legends.
Class war Happening here.. Non Elite Super Talent LH + OP Vs Elite Class NR + LN. As we already see on the long run super talent wipes the floor with the other group. If OP was British will they have this discussion? LN did not let OP pass in the previous race, it was OP leading and Team had to protect LN n did the 1st stop. Then team resumed the order. If possible this 3 will carry LN and run in the track in the next race 😂
McLaren is a car manufacturer. Perhaps that is the reason they want both cars racing each other hard.
how do people just... not understand, that oscar has caught fire in the last couple of months? its like "lando has beat oscar this many times in quali and this many times in races" yes fine but look back before the last six races and compare them then vs now.
im not saying lando should move over for oscar or that oscar is the better driver. im saying you cannot compare oscar at the start of the season with oscar now. they are completely different drivers.
Ayrton once talked of one no longer being a racing driver if you no longer go for a gap. Lando left a huge gap and was too slow on the inside under braking - the fact that Oscar went for it shows he's a racing driver. AND the move was so clean
Red bull imposes team orders and Sky sports goes - 'That's unfair!!'
Also Sky Sports - "McLaren Need to impose team orders'
Yh they would be angry 😂😂
FFS give it a rest
Perez drives like my grandma. Orders are 100% fair
Sky are like drive to survive fans who turned up 5minutes ago with an opinion.
McLaren imposes team orders in Hungary.
You: “that’s completely fair and well deserved race victory”
McLaren thinks about imposing team orders for Lando.
You: how dare they! 😡😡
Long term, I'd have Piastri > Norris
Zak Brown is not stupid. Based on Oscar’s junior year’s championship wins, rookie season F1 performance, and performance this year that he has a driver that can win multiple WDC titles. Oscar biggest challenge to date has been tyre management, which Oscar has learnt how to manage them. Oscar is one of the best starters on the grid, one of the best overtakers, and in race trim, he has the pace to match Lando. Zak is remaining neutral and allowing both drivers to race.
Meanwhile, Red Bull Racing have dug themselves into a hole as they only have one competitive driver. Red Bull built a car on the view that Max can drive only car given to him that Red Bull technical team have built an undriveable car. The Perez experiment hasn’t worked.
Lastly, Mark Webber is Oscar’s manager and he knows all about F1 teammates dynamics and number 1/2 driver status. Mark would have made damn sure that Oscar got a number 1 status contract. What team principal is Mark really close to? His name is Christian Horner, Zak Brown’s main competitor.
There are a number of clear reasons why Zak Brown doesn’t want team orders.
I don’t think Oscar has “sole #1” in his contract. I speculate that it simply says as long as Oscar is mathematically alive for WDC, he can’t be asked to follow team orders. That’s all it would take.
@@s2seltaeb I more believe that the contracts have been written so that both drivers have equal status. I agree with your assumption that either driver is mathematically alive for the WDC, no team order will be asked.
@@michaelcobbin this is why McLaren can’t really do anything about it, if they want to keep this pairing together. Which they do… and I also want.
@@s2seltaeb Yes, they are a great pairing.
Negged. Unprofessional bias sky. The f1 broadcast and yours are completely opposing, your favouritism to lando who is British is disgusting. Oscar is a racing driver. You wouldn't tell any other driver to stop fighting.
Britney watching Taylor
No more youtubers, journalists and podcaster lineups. If you don't have a former driver on the show, it's genuinely not worth watching.
Mate 90% of Sky’s panels these days are wine mums and someone sister who have no experience in F1. It’s a joke.
@@mintoxace5571 it's woke DEI bs.
Even Nicco adjusting his tune to appease British media
If McLaren have to put their support behind one driver, it should be Oscar! He the future, Lando is not world champ material.
Rosberg is a very good pundit now
I think this has been his best season
Oscar knows the assignment: get pole, win race!
Why can't they just let them race and the best man wins, think Max, Lewis or Fernando would ever submit to team orders if for some miracle their team mate was ahead of them? Oscar is a proper racer and I really think that Lando needs to beat him, otherwise his title will always be tainted with you couldn't actually beat your team mate without the teams help
"Why McLaren need to impose team orders" = "because we're a ridiculously biased British broadcast and we want our boy to win at all costs, even though we spent years criticising those dirty Germans for using team orders it's DIFFERENT when it's a good little British boy"
Best comment! Bravo
Doesn't Nico hate "Valteri, it's James"?
And he is for team order????, 🙄
Agree with most of the comments here, the British Media hate and berate teams that choose to use team orders, unless it's an English driver and then it's why no team orders endlessly? Gawd, we are going to be putting up with it for the rest of the season.
I don’t think McLaren is prioritizing Lando, I don’t think they’re prioritizing Oscar. They are prioritizing Max! So far they have given Max Verstappen 10 extra points to secure his drivers championship by not prioritizing Lando. I think Max owes McLaren a debt of gratitude.
And I'm sure with the hard year Max is having car wise. He is grateful for Mclaren's stupidity, especially when he is trying to retire very soon.
Lando cost lando that race ! Sky need to blame someone..
Well said!!!
7 points in Hungary 3 points in monza let's see if Norris doesn't need those points in Abu dabi
They don't do team orders until one of them show the potential fight for the championship. I see Piastri stronger for the fight. But the problem is Norris has already more points.
I can’t think of ANY world champion who had his team mate overtake him on the outside at a chicane…interesting that this has now turned into “Norris has a mental issue so needs full team support “ commentary.
Ask McLaren how two number 1 drivers worked in 2007
Exactly why there should not be team orders, let drivers earn the lead it is a sport, not a circus
The woke mentality is creeping in.
WEC rocks! Robert Kubica is the man! The joy and fun between the 3 drivers winning this weekend was something you never see in F1.
Well then, watch WEC, enjoy it, and refrain from commenting on something you don't enjoy!
@@williewagtail405 After watching F1 for 40 years and seeing what a PC joke it has turned into should have everyone jumping up and down for the old days! Don't you remember when the engines went to 19,000 rpms and engineers got to go nuts, this was before the pre-race little princess bus rides around the track.
@@sillynut2958 PC joke because greatest driver of all time was a DEI hire, okay then. But WEC even lets WOMEN take part, I would’ve thought that would offend your high-t sigma chad sensibilities more, that people who are meant to be in the garage taking care of the catering are allowed to go out on the racetrack and risk everyone’s lives when they could get PMS any second and wreck a 2 million pound car out of spite just for something they just rememberef the team boss said four years ago! What would All-Knowing Wise Lord Dr Jordan B Peterson (blessed be his name) think? 😤
(Yeah, I’m strawmanning you, for claiming a sport that collaborates with the sports-washing of some of the most repressive dictatorships on earth is “PC” - I applaud you for not saying “woke”, but it was probably just an oversight on your part. Yeah, it’s more commercialised and fan-friendly, and the drivers are contractually obliged to be much more accessible than back in the day when men were men and racial slurs were harmless fun, but what the jumping fking Jesus does that have to do with “political correctness”? Would you prefer if Nelson Piquet was running the show?)
@@TheFinalMeowntdown Iron Dames Rock!!!! DEI hire, do you mean 'Sir' Hamilton, the man who fights for equality using a Royal Title from the country that started the slave trade. He is not even on my top 20 greatest driver list, it was the car and just wait until his crying starts next season as Leclerc out scores him. Your greatest driver of all time would behind points this season too if George didn't get his victory taken away. Vettel and Kimi won in any car they sat in. Find video from Vettel's rookie season and see for yourself how wicked F1 once use to be and don't let the grid girls offend you.
@@TheFinalMeowntdown Just try and watch the last 1 hour of the last few WEC races and tell me it is not more exciting than F1.
I loved seeing Buxton losing it and being angry about this all. Dude needs to stfu 😂😂
It’s not about gifting lando a championship. It’s about maximising his chances of challenging for it. Fair play to Piastri, until he’s told otherwise then of course he’s gonna race Lando but why on earth didn’t McLaren instruct them to swap position in the last few laps when it was quite clear that even with as many as about 8 laps left that they weren’t gonna catch Leclerc. Lando gets an extra couple of points and Piastri doesn’t have to give up a win. I thought the whole point of Lando giving up the lead in Hungary was to keep Piastri onside because he’ll need him later on in the season?. He needed him today and the team failed to act appropriately, no blame on Piastri what so ever he’s hardly going to volunteer to give up positions . McLaren’s refusal to use team orders in Hungary and monza has already cost Lando 17 points. He could be 45 behind max at this stage.
If Piastri was the one closest to Max they would not say this..
He isn't. And of course they would be because its reasonable. They use their brain and dont let their personal preferences constrain their conclusions.
@jeane0253 but RB using Checo to help Max in 2021 was "unfair" according to every British F1 channel...
If you don't see the British bias, you're blind
@@TheMissiIeLando already listened to team orders and let Piastri win his first win.
But all of a sudden you have problems with team orders when it benefits Lando.
If team orders are off the table then team orders at Hungary was unacceptable as well.
@paperplane-db8qf I have no problem with team orders. If McLaren told Oscar to not attack Lando and protect him, I'd be 100% against the overtake, but they didn't.
My comment was to point out the hypocrisy in the British F1 media. The two situations I mentioned are complete opposites, one helping a British driver and the other going against a British driver, and in both scenarios, the British media was on the British drivers' side.
That's impossible to refute
Pinkham needs to speak less and let Nico speak more
Very biased views, but I guess their bosses are English
NICO ROSBERG 2016 WORLD CHAMPION BEATED LH in equal machinery. So refreshing having him on sky. Not bothered at all by sky's politics
What good would a title be if it is handed to them. It is not like Piastri kicked Lando in the nuts before the race so to gain an advantage.
Ask Alonso, Lewis or Max who needed their number 2 drivers to get out of their way.
The team's goal is to win the championship - they don't care which of the two drivers win - they need to do whatever they can to make up the mathematical gap
@@paperplane-db8qf Am I the only one that enjoyed watching Vettel and Webber battle it out.
@@sillynut2958did they?
@@paperplane-db8qf These men all had teams who ruthlessly wanted to win. Mclaren is not that obviously, too busy trying to run a racing team like a kindergarten class. Hot mess.
They don't need to impose team orders, they just need to tell Lando to drive better.
Lando is not good at starting the race, look Oscar covered George and still managed to overtake lando. If Oscar had decided on laying back then they would have both lost not only to Charles but George also. I think Oscar is doing a good job pushing lando especially at the start of the race
so lando sucks so bad that they need team orders so oscar can switch ? lol