first off R.I.P toriyama, he will forever be missed. second i think you should react to zephfire's buu saga video. He even brought in codenamesuper in on it. his content is up there with blank and super and hes really funny. also helps that i really love the buu saga and i think you also would enjoy his video break down of the arc. that is if the runtime is fesable but then again this one was 30 minutes so it should be fine.
I do wanna hear your opinions on carthu dojo's "unearned powerups", where he talks about what powerups/transformations are truly earned vs what transformations are ass pulls.
I love everything about the Black Arc EXCEPT the ending. I know Toriyama wanted people to stop asking questions about Trunks and his timeline, but that was not the way to do it 💀
Side note: Are we not gunna talk about the manga version where Black and Zamas unfused but thier will was so strong than when trunks finally separated them, BOTH were immortal and could turn into Fusion Zamas? Or the time where Vegeta hit both of them with a Final Flash but their remains all became each of their own Fusion Zamas?!
I liked both versions of what they call “Infinite Zamasu”. The anime version felt like a Giygas reference, and the manga version was just a gigantic problem. Ultimately I think the anime version was cooler just for the concept- too bad it lasted all of like two minutes before the Zeno ex machina killed em.
It sucks that they took the dub away from Trunks, but remember Zamasu had already killed every mortal in that universe before he came to earth. So, Zeno didn’t punish any innocent people. There was no one left to punish.
Until you read the Granolah arc and see Goku and Vegeta get their butt beat the whole arc by Gas and Granolah and then black frieza proceeds to one shot them at the very end😂 The Granolah arc humbled them boys fr fr
😂Bro, if you think this is a nasty timeline, remember in another timelime Trunks was killed by Cell so he can take his time machine. Effectively getting rid of earth's last protector and the extinction of the earth saiyan's the only one's left in that timeline is Broly and his father and (don't remember if it's cannon, or not) Vageta's brother. Also since there's no more heroes on earth to protect it there's basically no one that can stop Kid buu resurrection.
Broly ain't getting off Vampa, and Tarble will grow old. At least he has a family, so the Saiyans aren't completely extinct. But Pure-Blooded will be gone.
32:30 vegitos design here is weird , get got brown hair like u said even tho vegeta got black , get got buu saga outfit even tho vegeta was wearing armor
@@MildsandThatYac The ending was the same sure, but the events within it were not. Vegeta uses Super saiyan god in the manga and black goes super saiyan first.
Beerus only killed Zamasu because he ended up killing Beerus by killing the Supreme Kai (they are linked as creators and destroyers) in a different timeline. Basically needed to get him outta there.
So does he not know that most if not all Low-Class Saiyans's Normal Birth Look Is The Goku/Bardock Look? We've only seen the body taking like once also, which was Ginyu's whole gimmick considering it wasn't his original body.
21:27 all God's of destruction can do that move "wats more destructive than just absolute erasure" it's an exclusive move but not just to him but to his title as a G.O.D God of destruction 😈🫸😶🌫️ its how they keep balance when it's on their level, it's actual rules to his Rank G.O.D
Not only that but Beerus really don’t get involved with affairs. He only did this one because remember the God of destruction are all connected to supreme Kais. When the Kais die the God of destruction does too. And Zamaus killed all the Kais so he did it really for more of himself than anything because he ain’t help against Broly or Frieza.
So one cool thing I learned about the English dub of zamasu is that his voice actor James Marsters offered to voice him for free as an apology to the fans for being part of Dragon Ball evolution (he played Piccolo).
Beerus has only "solved" that zamasu problem. But anytime after he was present, he showed no interest in actually doing anything. Hell, he revealed that he DID have a way to actually seal zamasu away, but said he didn't do it because he doesn't want them to rely on him. I feel like no matter what, going in with a bias against super makes you form arguments that the show solves. For example, as for why super Saiyan blue isnt ALWAYS used? Its an energy consumption thing. They talk about it in the tournament of power. Why does broly not just "solve everything"? Because he's too dangerous in a fight. Why do they not fuse every time? Because both Goku AND vegeta would rather fight one on one Why beerus doesnt solve every problem? Because he doesnt want the people of earth to just go to him at any problem they face.
Rose is not actually corrupted..It's just because goku black has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more divine ki than goku or vegeta. So this is basicaly the purest a SSJGSJJ can be
One anime rule I followed when I watched Goku Black do the Divine Lasso. If the explosion scene plays 3 different times, you are defeated & If the explosion scene plays 4 different times. You are dead. So when I saw the scene play 3 times, I knew goku was defeated right there
Yeah dude all your questions are really good ones, if you really wanna understand more of the Dragon Ball universe and its characters and how they work and get a deep analysis on it all, I recommend checking out these TH-cam channels Geekdom101, Planet Level, and Totally Not Mark. These guys do really good job in explaining the Dragon Ball World from techniques, transformations, character development/analysis, the hierarchy and laws of the Gods, etc.
what you mean? it is OG Future Trunks, he even had flashbacks from the Cell Arc, in fact in another episode Future Tunks when explaining time travel to Kdi Trunks uses Goku as exampke and mentions that his Goku died from a heart attack
Nah Beerus only got involved because his life was also at stake and they couldn't risk Zamasu being revived somehow so erasing him was the only option. Beerus doesn't get involved because Goku and Vegeta would rather deal with the threat themselves which beerus agrees with
32:07 Toei, and even Toriyama's coloring tends to be not consistent. Like Bulma was supposed to have purple hair, but the anime changed it to blue. Then, the anime made the first future trunks purple, despite keeping Bulma with the blue hair. Kid Trunks hair in z was purple, but then Toriyama changed it to Blue in the preview desings, to keep it somewhat consistent with Bulma, but the anime kept the purple hair. Then they made future trunks hair blue, lol. In Toei's defense, Toriyama has painted Trunks hair blue in the past as well, and he said that he just uses whatever color he either rememeber or has at hand at the time, which ended up with things like making "Super Trunks" or "Ascended Saiyan 2 Trunks" hair red, lol. For context, the manga is mostly black and white, but sometimes there was color too, either from the start, or on re-releases.
I mean it’s basically the same as DBZ where there’s three transformations like SSJ1, SSJ2, and SSJ3. DBS has SSJ god, SSJ Blue, and Ultra Instinct but I doubt they’ll use that until another arc comes. Rosé is different because since Zamasu is a god, he putting his god ki into a super saiyan transformation.
@Scru Face Is LIT Trunk's Timeline got Rebooted! before Goku Black. Plus, THIS Trunks and Mai exists as well as pair of Trunks and Mai. And, In the Games, Future Trunks becomes a Time patrolling Multiversal hero. 😎😎👍👍
Maybe it was a cop out to just have Genos come in and deus ex machina that shit, but I like the idea of a god-level enemy actually having godlike power. This was one situation where Goku ain't just gonna get some new form, beat his ass, and call it a day. This dude was a real problem!
I think the ending was just a way to show Zeno’s power and make that button useful. Could’ve been handled better cause the doubles future is weird but as long as they leave it alone from now on it’s whatever. I like where Super is going in the manga so hopefully when the anime comes back the plots can be more linear and less convoluted. This arc did provide a lot of cool stuff though.
17:45 I mean, I get what you are saying, but Toriyama didnt really care much about what the anime was doing. Kinda how Krillin's Ex and Daughter ended up having the same name. (I dont think he watched much anime at all, in fact, according to his last award speech) He might have drawn turles at some point, or garlic, but he didnt really did too much input on those ideas storywise for "evil versions of good characters" to be fresh on his mind. To us it was like 20, maybe 10 years, even less if you are into the games and stuff, but to him it was 30-40. Toei with the anime filler/movies, and Bandai with the games, go "hey, bro, we need this, this and this design for characters based on this story, can you hook us up?" and Toriyama goes sure and does it. (Toriyama, for example, thought that Bardock's TV special, was too dark and that he wouldnt write something like that, even though he liked the idea) I doubt he remembers there was an evil goku before, even more so if it was just filler. Plus, dragon ball was not the only thing he was doing, and as I said before, he cared about the manga mostly, the rest was whatever.
I will say its a different trucks time line entirely. Because Zamasu wouldnt be able to take gokus body because goku died to the heart virus. So everything was good for trucks until that happened
One thing I will say about the ending and how that timeline was erased. You said everyone there was punished but that's not true. The only mortals left in that timeline were the resistance group on earth. Everyone else In that timeline is already dead (remember they sabed earth for last) so nobody suffered from what Zeno did except trunks and mai which they just hopped to a alternate timeline... the ending made sense, there was nobody alive in that timeline so why keep it??
Might be the only time I've ever seen anyone not like Rose...I can understand not wanting another transformation to remember but Rose was one of the 3 good parts of an otherwise fairly mid arc, other two bright spots being ssb vegito and goku black (not zamasu) as a standalone villain
Finally blud decides to react to CJ again 😂
Yo ong😂
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Scru finally remembered Cj 😂
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"Pay 29.99 for an only fans, when the hub is free." That line alone is all the justification Black needs.
Honestly thanos might be on to something
Please react to ni88a turtles
I mean you mortals are annoying af
first off R.I.P toriyama, he will forever be missed. second i think you should react to zephfire's buu saga video. He even brought in codenamesuper in on it. his content is up there with blank and super and hes really funny. also helps that i really love the buu saga and i think you also would enjoy his video break down of the arc. that is if the runtime is fesable but then again this one was 30 minutes so it should be fine.
Nah fr. My favorite Zephfire video is the Miles Morales one. I think Zephfire is my favorite out of the bunch Fr.
@@DMGAlive same here his humor is really funny for me
SSJ Rose isn’t corrupted. it’s just what happens when a God (or god ki) is transferred to a Mortal body.
People wanted Goku as main villain in an arc and this was a way to do it.
Yeah but it's not even Goku 💀
@@thalmoragent9344 Sure but writers do stuff like that all the time when they want their main protagonist to get edgy without it actually being them.
so happy he’s back to CJ da champ
“Thats the first time that ki spam worked”
No, no, remember Puddlehan? This is the timeline where Ki spam works😂
nah Puddlehan is dirty
Of course we want more CJdachamp videos
I do wanna hear your opinions on carthu dojo's "unearned powerups", where he talks about what powerups/transformations are truly earned vs what transformations are ass pulls.
I love everything about the Black Arc EXCEPT the ending. I know Toriyama wanted people to stop asking questions about Trunks and his timeline, but that was not the way to do it 💀
Nah the ending was great, Zamasu hatred burned so deep he became justice and order through pure will.
Side note: Are we not gunna talk about the manga version where Black and Zamas unfused but thier will was so strong than when trunks finally separated them, BOTH were immortal and could turn into Fusion Zamas? Or the time where Vegeta hit both of them with a Final Flash but their remains all became each of their own Fusion Zamas?!
Honestly the manga did it better
I liked both versions of what they call “Infinite Zamasu”. The anime version felt like a Giygas reference, and the manga version was just a gigantic problem. Ultimately I think the anime version was cooler just for the concept- too bad it lasted all of like two minutes before the Zeno ex machina killed em.
It sucks that they took the dub away from Trunks, but remember Zamasu had already killed every mortal in that universe before he came to earth. So, Zeno didn’t punish any innocent people. There was no one left to punish.
Except there is still some human left on earth
I love the ending. Because this is the only ending in the entire series where they LOST AND THE VILLAIN WON.
I never thought about it that way tbh. That’s actually kinda cool.
I never thought about it that way tbh. That’s actually kinda cool.
I never thought about it that way tbh. That’s actually kinda cool.
Why'd you respond three times?? @@chaseandre2654
Until you read the Granolah arc and see Goku and Vegeta get their butt beat the whole arc by Gas and Granolah and then black frieza proceeds to one shot them at the very end😂 The Granolah arc humbled them boys fr fr
CJ REACTION AGAIN? Okay we up 😂🫡
R.I.P Toriyama, also please react to Hood JJK
I second this 👆
Thanks for this week Scru! I enjoyed the Dragon Ball tribute
FINALLY! The Scru has come back to CJ!
😂Bro, if you think this is a nasty timeline, remember in another timelime Trunks was killed by Cell so he can take his time machine. Effectively getting rid of earth's last protector and the extinction of the earth saiyan's the only one's left in that timeline is Broly and his father and (don't remember if it's cannon, or not) Vageta's brother. Also since there's no more heroes on earth to protect it there's basically no one that can stop Kid buu resurrection.
Broly would probably be the hero if that timeline eventually as he can wreck all those people.
Broly ain't getting off Vampa, and Tarble will grow old. At least he has a family, so the Saiyans aren't completely extinct. But Pure-Blooded will be gone.
Depends which Broly
Yea that timeline is fucked. No one left but Roshi.
@skywalka02 Wait but isn't he dead wasn't he killed by the androids
Dont hate on rose, the colours and moves are crazy
14:58 and if it’s not the same two, that’s a generational bloodline feud 😂😂
Everyone has their own opinion lol i luv this arc
Rest in peace toriyama I know I said this before but I see you in snake weigh❤️❤️ thanks for another great video .🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Edit this Akira Toriyama u typed it wrong
@@tavonknight398 yes 🥰🥰
🇯🇲 up up
I liked Goku Black because the Balance it brings to the Force from Majin Vegeta. One was from gods, the other demons.
32:30 vegitos design here is weird , get got brown hair like u said even tho vegeta got black , get got buu saga outfit even tho vegeta was wearing armor
The manga iteration of this arc was so much better, that it eclipses the anime version
i call cap on that, the anime was significantly better imo
Lol what? The exact same thing happened Zeno came in and straight up nuked the timeline. The anime did it a lot better you are capping hard af
@@MildsandThatYac The ending was the same sure, but the events within it were not. Vegeta uses Super saiyan god in the manga and black goes super saiyan first.
GOATED🐐🔥
That boy scru been consistent
Fuck this entire arc, i wanna know why the same dinosaur mfs beefin for a thousand years lmao
Beerus only killed Zamasu because he ended up killing Beerus by killing the Supreme Kai (they are linked as creators and destroyers) in a different timeline. Basically needed to get him outta there.
I waited for so long for u to do CJ Da Champ. Do more
So does he not know that most if not all Low-Class Saiyans's Normal Birth Look Is The Goku/Bardock Look? We've only seen the body taking like once also, which was Ginyu's whole gimmick considering it wasn't his original body.
thhat was from a non canon movie
Just hearing Vegeta say " Old zesty ass, Kakarot." Makes this worth it
27:00. He lit him up with the needler!
Honestly, this arc was what truly killed the power scaling within Super.
Reduced Blue to pretty much base SSJ in power.
21:27 all God's of destruction can do that move "wats more destructive than just absolute erasure" it's an exclusive move but not just to him but to his title as a G.O.D God of destruction 😈🫸😶🌫️ its how they keep balance when it's on their level, it's actual rules to his Rank G.O.D
Not only that but Beerus really don’t get involved with affairs. He only did this one because remember the God of destruction are all connected to supreme Kais. When the Kais die the God of destruction does too. And Zamaus killed all the Kais so he did it really for more of himself than anything because he ain’t help against Broly or Frieza.
@@OJMayo-wbk3 yeah the threat was on his level
So one cool thing I learned about the English dub of zamasu is that his voice actor James Marsters offered to voice him for free as an apology to the fans for being part of Dragon Ball evolution (he played Piccolo).
It's good to see my boy Scru reacting to CJ dachamp rest in peace Akira Toriyama🙏🕊️
Beerus has only "solved" that zamasu problem. But anytime after he was present, he showed no interest in actually doing anything. Hell, he revealed that he DID have a way to actually seal zamasu away, but said he didn't do it because he doesn't want them to rely on him.
I feel like no matter what, going in with a bias against super makes you form arguments that the show solves. For example, as for why super Saiyan blue isnt ALWAYS used? Its an energy consumption thing. They talk about it in the tournament of power.
Why does broly not just "solve everything"? Because he's too dangerous in a fight.
Why do they not fuse every time? Because both Goku AND vegeta would rather fight one on one
Why beerus doesnt solve every problem? Because he doesnt want the people of earth to just go to him at any problem they face.
11:08 you already know you lost an argument when bro is spitting facts
Rose is not actually corrupted..It's just because goku black has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more divine ki than goku or vegeta. So this is basicaly the purest a SSJGSJJ can be
One anime rule I followed when I watched Goku Black do the Divine Lasso.
If the explosion scene plays 3 different times, you are defeated
&
If the explosion scene plays 4 different times. You are dead.
So when I saw the scene play 3 times, I knew goku was defeated right there
Super Saiyan Rose is NOT a corrupted version of Super Saiyan Blue. How does he not know this?!
He's evil and it's his version and ssj blue so sure corrupted version
I love that he keeps saying "ningen" 😂😂😂
Lets not forget about Bardock
Rip toriyama, you legend
Yeah dude all your questions are really good ones, if you really wanna understand more of the Dragon Ball universe and its characters and how they work and get a deep analysis on it all, I recommend checking out these TH-cam channels Geekdom101, Planet Level, and Totally Not Mark. These guys do really good job in explaining the Dragon Ball World from techniques, transformations, character development/analysis, the hierarchy and laws of the Gods, etc.
Not sure if it helps or hurts, but it's not even OG future trunks. We know this because that goku died first from a heart attack
what you mean? it is OG Future Trunks, he even had flashbacks from the Cell Arc, in fact in another episode Future Tunks when explaining time travel to Kdi Trunks uses Goku as exampke and mentions that his Goku died from a heart attack
Shout out to all of the anime content creators but CJ is my goat
Nah Beerus only got involved because his life was also at stake and they couldn't risk Zamasu being revived somehow so erasing him was the only option. Beerus doesn't get involved because Goku and Vegeta would rather deal with the threat themselves which beerus agrees with
32:07 Toei, and even Toriyama's coloring tends to be not consistent. Like Bulma was supposed to have purple hair, but the anime changed it to blue. Then, the anime made the first future trunks purple, despite keeping Bulma with the blue hair. Kid Trunks hair in z was purple, but then Toriyama changed it to Blue in the preview desings, to keep it somewhat consistent with Bulma, but the anime kept the purple hair.
Then they made future trunks hair blue, lol.
In Toei's defense, Toriyama has painted Trunks hair blue in the past as well, and he said that he just uses whatever color he either rememeber or has at hand at the time, which ended up with things like making "Super Trunks" or "Ascended Saiyan 2 Trunks" hair red, lol.
For context, the manga is mostly black and white, but sometimes there was color too, either from the start, or on re-releases.
ngl true he did kind of win with having every mortal in that entire timeline being erased
Yea do more CJ da Champ video
Let’s goooooo🔥🔥
Team four star needs to collaborate with this man to play a part in any future adventures
I had to follow you just off you knowing your dbz history you know ball😂👏🏾
Lmao the same guys talking about “the hub free” in 86 girls DMs right now asking for pics and vids instead of going to the hub
Hey SFJ you gotta react to DizzyEight’s new song Unleashed. It’s his tribute to Akira Toriyama
I mean it’s basically the same as DBZ where there’s three transformations like SSJ1, SSJ2, and SSJ3. DBS has SSJ god, SSJ Blue, and Ultra Instinct but I doubt they’ll use that until another arc comes. Rosé is different because since Zamasu is a god, he putting his god ki into a super saiyan transformation.
i agree with u with this arc,they lack imagination to do something new at that time,not only that the drawing level was low...
Agreed. Cool character in Goku Black and cool moments, but messing with how the Future Trunks saga ended is a big downer.
R.i.p😭
@Scru Face Is LIT Trunk's Timeline got Rebooted! before Goku Black.
Plus, THIS Trunks and Mai exists as well as pair of Trunks and Mai. And, In the Games, Future Trunks becomes a Time patrolling Multiversal hero. 😎😎👍👍
Yep. On point my guy
the way the manga ended this arc was way better, everything still gets erased, but its executed better
Future Trunks went through a lot bro 😂. The androids, Cell, losing Gohon, lost his shorty etc
They be giving trunks the Spider-Man treatment in the comics
11:20 fax 😂😂😂
They would’ve eventually ran into Jiren and got mixed
those dudes are actually in the thousand year blood war
the anime made rose vs blue when watching it while the manga goku and vegeta used super saiyan god and was winnin
Maybe it was a cop out to just have Genos come in and deus ex machina that shit, but I like the idea of a god-level enemy actually having godlike power. This was one situation where Goku ain't just gonna get some new form, beat his ass, and call it a day. This dude was a real problem!
I think the ending was just a way to show Zeno’s power and make that button useful. Could’ve been handled better cause the doubles future is weird but as long as they leave it alone from now on it’s whatever.
I like where Super is going in the manga so hopefully when the anime comes back the plots can be more linear and less convoluted. This arc did provide a lot of cool stuff though.
9:03 😂
Bro nice video and yes do more cjdachamp videos
ur complaint about the transformation, but What form were the supposed to give black tho
For me the ending was ok not as good as the manga ending but I love that the villains still won for once. R.I.P the goat, the legend Akira sensei
Ive been waiting for more Cj DaChamp
Best part.
GOWASU WAS A WHOLE MOOD
Yeah that’s messed up they screwed up future trunks timeline andkilled Bulma
Reverse Jumpin
You gotta react to mal’s world’s new buu saga video it’s arguably funnier than his cell video you already reacted to
“They couldn’t think of a way to beat him” hm, sounds like Madara
Hey Scru, MalsWorld dropped a new “Talking to Z fighters after Cell” video.
Stg, it feels like ki spams only work when villains do it
I think the point of this arc was to show how strong zeno is. That's how I'm choosing to rationalize this ending 😂
17:45 I mean, I get what you are saying, but Toriyama didnt really care much about what the anime was doing. Kinda how Krillin's Ex and Daughter ended up having the same name. (I dont think he watched much anime at all, in fact, according to his last award speech)
He might have drawn turles at some point, or garlic, but he didnt really did too much input on those ideas storywise for "evil versions of good characters" to be fresh on his mind. To us it was like 20, maybe 10 years, even less if you are into the games and stuff, but to him it was 30-40.
Toei with the anime filler/movies, and Bandai with the games, go "hey, bro, we need this, this and this design for characters based on this story, can you hook us up?" and Toriyama goes sure and does it. (Toriyama, for example, thought that Bardock's TV special, was too dark and that he wouldnt write something like that, even though he liked the idea)
I doubt he remembers there was an evil goku before, even more so if it was just filler. Plus, dragon ball was not the only thing he was doing, and as I said before, he cared about the manga mostly, the rest was whatever.
Final Kamehameha never works because the final flash involved.
Still waiting for the Codenamesuper Android 13 reaction.
I will say its a different trucks time line entirely. Because Zamasu wouldnt be able to take gokus body because goku died to the heart virus. So everything was good for trucks until that happened
One thing I will say about the ending and how that timeline was erased. You said everyone there was punished but that's not true. The only mortals left in that timeline were the resistance group on earth. Everyone else In that timeline is already dead (remember they sabed earth for last) so nobody suffered from what Zeno did except trunks and mai which they just hopped to a alternate timeline... the ending made sense, there was nobody alive in that timeline so why keep it??
RIP TO the goat akira toriyama
Scru, you gotta react to the Ryuga Trials next🔥🔥🔥
One of my favorite parts of this Arc though is when Kid Trunks goes Vegeta on Future Trunks cause he was depressed and kinda being a scared bitch.
How many people did Rick Ross' grunt every time Super Saiyan Rozay is mentioned/said? 😅
So where did future trunks end up going in the end
3rd iteration of gokus face? brother every one has the same face make goku bald and he turns into tien 😂
Might be the only time I've ever seen anyone not like Rose...I can understand not wanting another transformation to remember but Rose was one of the 3 good parts of an otherwise fairly mid arc, other two bright spots being ssb vegito and goku black (not zamasu) as a standalone villain
Lets go champ
aye, zamasu was cookin up ian gon lie