@Xiter 2023 no, the body swap process was incomplete. He lost a lot of Goku's potential and had to regain it. Not only that, in order to use God Ki/Use a God Form, he had to combine his own limited God Ki (all Kai's are born with some, usually in small amounts) with the potential he'd unlocked for Goku to create an alternative form
@@dherikfaria9871 both the anime and manga are canon. The anime has the anime canon and the manga has the manga canon. Its up to the fans to which they want to follow.
Goku was a great father, he always took care of his children while he was alive and on Earth, his children look up to him and respect himand his teachings. On the other hand, Piccolo threw Gohan in the wild for 6 months, trained him fot 6 more months and never had at least a full talk until Buu Saga; Gohan became Piccolo's first and best friend, but still, at best i would say that Piccolo was a older brother figure.
The fact that Mikey doesn’t know the power creep between Goku and Gohan during the Cell saga which was also during the moment people thought Goku was a bad father in DBZ and Aaron trying to explain that he wasn’t a bad father but neither great, has to be one of the funniest thing in this video, for how common DB fans argue about it wether or not Goku is a good or a bad parent
The only time Gohan express to be discontent with Goku, and even then how was Goku supposed to know if Gohan never said he didn't liked to fight? (That was also an asspull from Toriyama's part, Gohan never expressed to not like fighting or killing before that infamous moment in fact killing a Freeza Soldier without any problem back in namek)
that "goku is a bad father" part is nearly 100% dbza's fault sadly, I admire the people who made DBZA but the people who WATCH it take it like it's gospel.
@@EpikHellSword Gohan was still a child around 10 years old in Cell Saga (in fact, his age at Raditz's invasion was retconned in reprints of the manga from 3 to 4).
@@EpikHellSword Goku was also raised as an Earthling from the moment he got amnesia as a child, but he was raised by an old martial artist and never had any formal education (is also implied that Chi-Chi's education on how family works comes from magazines as she never had a present mother), it doesn't help that all of Goku male friends trained and fought since childhood like himself. In all, Goku was a pretty good father with the manga and anime implying he was present on Gohan's life while alive and on Earth.
Aaron I just want to say that in the manga it is implied that Zamasu would get Goku Black close to death then heal him, this is also implied to happen in the anime
20:00 It’s Because If you watched the Battle of Gods Arc After Goku loses the Form Beerus notes that he Absorbed the God Form into his Base form so Goku in Base Form In Super has God Ki and Goku in Base with the God Ki can even amplify his power further with Transformations so since Goku Black fought SSJ2 Which is Way Stronger than His Base Form Allowed Goku Black to Feel that Level of God Ki He had so he actively got stronger plus to stack it up with Zenkai Boosts and his Saiyan Heritage
Also at this point, goku or vegeta hadn't mastered ssgss, so after a few minutes they were fighting at 10% power, while goku black was using rose at 100% due to already mastering and controlling god ki as a kai
I will say to Aaron’s comment on Zamasu being able to survive fighting trunks and goku in the future, to my understanding it wasn’t that zamasu was any stronger or anything it’s just that he wished to be immortal before showing up to the future. So he was still weak as he was, it’s just he couldn’t die😂🤷🏾♂️
No zamasu first wish was to take goku body then go to a alternate timeline recruit himself then use the dragon balls from that timeline to wish for that zamasu to become immortal.
Zamasu had to be the pettiest god to decide to wipe out mortals in all universes because he lost a fight and those dinos probably needed longer to evolve
Or Gowasu could’ve went to an advanced civilization and go to the past to show Zamasu that every advanced society were once barbarians. Also that the planet and creatures around shows the mentality of the inhabitants.
@@King_Barbados That's a good point too like showing the past and future that not all civilizations started out advanced. Gowasu did try peacefully kinda down the while you aren't wrong, we aren't supposed to destroy them route. Morals didn't line up in the end 🤷♂
I love how Aaron didn’t think that zamasu stole Goku’s body which has god ki on it. All zamasu need to do is figure a way to make goku god Kiinto his own and surpass it and plus every punch he gets it a plus Zenkai boost so every punch he get it makes him stronger
Yeah. I know he and some of fandom do mess with Mikey for his lack of knowledge of anime, but this is one those examples where Aaron is more of a dumbass than Mikey. It's also kinda ironic and funny how he tried to call out Toriyama for not being a good writer, but doesn't have the brain cells to call Kishimoto trash for fumbling a majority of the female cast.
I was about to point that out too, I mean that was the whole point of stealing goku's body was because he was powerful and then he learnt to better utilize goku's body after seeing him fight the same goku's body who had already gone through all the training goku had already done... it's like Aaron just thought that Zamasu's power was kept with the swap which beats the point of the swap in the first place...
Yeah even if it went off his example of seeming on par with SSJ2 Goku, he was wiping Trunks who was also in SSJ2 like a fly on the window without even trying. Black specifies many a times all the fighting is getting him more accustomed to the body allowing him to access more and more of it's potential, a potential which would've been At Least post SSJB Kaioken ×10 Hit fight when going off the backstory, hell after all his growing he didn't even realize that Saiyans' Power comes from their anger till he pulls out the scythe at which point he gets so much more astronomically in tune with the body he can tear rifts in space.
Also the rant about Beerus erasing him in the past not affecting Black was explained with the Time Ring. This arc is far from perfect but damn some of these complaints were directly explained Multiple times...
Actually it was implied that goku black got stronger the more pain he felt that's why when he first fought against goku you see how the more damage that was being dealt he powered up more and that's on top of the fact that goku black couldn't fully use goku's body to the fullest. Like how ginyu couldn't use goku body mind and body was not in sync the power of goku was there black just couldn't fully use it that's why goku black is my favorite villian
Fuck all dat baki would finish black in 1 minute im not even dragon ball z fan cuz y'all title really sus fr and only best character was really the main one but let be fr in anime universe black couldn't or wouldn't beat baki im not into anime world but my point is black is a mid for me
For those who are confused about how Zamazu kill the Goku inside his own body, pretty much a Zamazu wished to be in Goku’s body so then he switched his soul into Goku’s body, while Goku went into Zamazu’s body leading to Goku black killing Goku in his old body
That's actually true, Gohan always understood the sacrifice Goku had to make. The only person his absence had a negative impact on was gotten and at that point Goku was dead
Aaron bro you are correct on the fact zenkai and God ki not being enough. But you forget about body swap and transformation rules. Plus the fact he said he studied Goku to figure out the way uses his body. Beforehand zamaso was using the body the way he prefed
Maybe Aaron didn’t take into account that zamasu took Goku’s body who has already reache ssj blue. So with the combined blue and already god ki it took affect. I understand y you would think a zenkai boost would only do so little but that’s literally why he was eating those vegeta licks. Because he took Gokus literal current state from him. That’s why he killed Goku while he was in Zamasu’s body because there was a clear huge power gap. But continue to push out good content kings
SSRose is black's version of blue. Its pink because of his god ki. How was he able to keep up with vegeta? My head cannon is that since hes immortal, he just abused zenkai boost before the arc started
(Around 38:38) I'll give you the play by play since I enjoy this part, the thing he did differently was he stopped holding back. Man went actual Full Power, so much so that after that Kamehameha his arms were limp, this attack plus Merged Zamasu's blowing up in his face was enough to Kill the mortal half of Merged Zamasu. Goku in that moment legitimately killed Black which the half immortal body didn't sit well, with leaving a weakpoint like in a boss fight when you wound the boss and keep hitting the wound for crit damage, Goku then with limp arms launched at that weakpoint kicking the s#¡t out of it (to then get grabbed and shocked in retaliation) at which point he used that last trump card *KAIO-KICK!* to drop Merged Zamasu so hard it quote "beat the divinity out of him". Yeah it seems to come out of no where but notice after all that Goku was out of it like fully, plays into his "Dumb at everything except fighting" shtick cause he knows not to fight yourself into full fatigue leaving an opening unless it's out of desparation or the final push. I mean of course they always hold back for like 80% of every arc so that there's something to actually watch, but you know what happens when you're careless with power and drain yourself before the fight's finished seen during that Kid Buu fight on the Kai World using SSJ3.
Makes even more sense when you compare the two scenes too Father Son Galick Gun had Trunks and Vegeta still in their transformed states just out of breath Gokus arms just straight up went limp and after the Kaioken he lost all power where as Vegeta only lost power after getting hit by Zamasus attack
Apparently after the beating Goku gave black when he went to the future he kept fatally wounding himself near death and letting Zamasu heal him over and over exploiting the Zenkais.
This is why I like the goku black arc more in the Manga, cause in that, the way goku black got to super saiyan rose cause he was exploiting zenkai boosts over and over
Actually it makes perfect sense for Black to beat their asses, We know that it takes time for someone to adapt to another body as we saw when Ginyu stole his body, but he was not able to utilize it in to it's fullest potential due to no adapating to yet. This is also the case with Black, he specifically stated after he got back to the future after that first goku fight that he finally was able to master and adapt to the body. That's why he was blue level and stronger, that body is the body of a goku just before the ToP, and Black was only able to finally adapt completely to the body after the first fight with Goku
Nah Aaron finally putting it into words. Y’all wanna act like Kale and Caulifa doesn’t make sense hell even cabba. But y’all look at Goku black and said “oh yeah that make sense because he has deity ki.” For once he speaking the truth. And I remember this too specifically that people where complaining about Trunks keeping up with SSJ2 Goku. And I was of course foolish enough to explain why is that the case. But if your gonna tell me that all it takes was to Zamasu to fight Goku once again? Nah This is why I said the Goku black arc was purely fan made and it’s the reason why everyone loved it because for once the toriyama wanted to listen to fans, and looks where that gotten us. Now he and Toyotaro is out here trying to bring the story back up after the terrible sh-t that happened in the previous. They redeem himself by doing the moro arc. But people wanna sh-t on Toyotaro for no reason when all he is trying to is appeal the fans. At this points y’all who continue to complain about the series, should honestly just stop watching and get hell out. I a sick and tired of seeing people ramble there mouths on this.
17:28 There was one visual gag that showed this species had a progression over the course of 1000 years. Before they were using their bare fist, now they're using clubs. They learned how to use weapons and tools which indicate they've entered their own stone age. It's not a lot of progression I'll give you that, but it's there.
They actually depict time in a more realistic way than just future, past, and present. It's a more well-known theory that if you go back in time and change the past, it does not change the future that you left. All you did was create a branch that separated off from the point in which you went back in time. Creating a different timeline altogether. Now, the way they explained how the zamasu from our timeline was erased by beerus but still alive in trunks' timeline was not a very good way of explaining it, but the time rings do still work that way. What actually would've happened is when Whis allowed zamasu to kill gowasu and then turn time back to stop him from killing him, that created another timeline. One in which zamasu did kill his master and acquire the time ring. So, there's a trunk's timeline zamasu, a present zamasu who was erased by beerus, and then a third zamasu who is from the timeline in which whis allowed him to kill gowasu before turning back time to stop him. That's the zamasu who stole goku's body. I personally don't like it when shows or movies that involve time travel just stick to the simple "if you go to the past and change something, it will change the future." I like the much more complex theories, as they are more representative of what would most likely happen in reality.
i thought this was the case, but the video didn’t rlly explain that. he basically said that since goku black had a time ring beerus’s hakai was reversed, which i knew couldn’t have been true cuz hakai is way too op to be reversed
@@HossLUK yeah because there’s literally no way for him to use the time ring when he was erased, since he didn’t exist at all. i also wondered why black never recruited more zamasu’s since all he’d have to do is keep going into the future, and then back to the moment where black killed gowasu, then eventually there’d just be multiple goku blacks and zamasu’s that can team up lol
@seaniverse363 yea, i like to think recruiting more zamasus was a part of his plan to get rid of the grand priest and zeno later on, but realistically , it never got that far because they didn't want that arc to be that long. At least, that's what makes the most sense in my eyes. Either that or they knew that no matter how many zamasus they had, they'd never be able to overthrow the grand priest, let alone zeno, again making the arc a lot shorter than it could have been.
So, when Aaron was getting mad about gohan not being there, an explanation is in there. This is Trunks’ timeline so Gohan got packed up a long ass time ago thanks to the androids.
But Goku was already dead,if that's trunks timeline where Gohan is already dead....how The hell is Goku alive 💀 this does not make sense at all.... unless zamasu took Goku's body from his own timeline,then killed everything in trunks timeline...but that would make 3 timelines..... since Goku, Vegeta and the others are still alive 💀...Did I Miss another paradox
@@shamartherealestsavage explanation for this as well. We all know dragon ball has more than one timeline. They’ve been doing this for a while. Some movies are canon where goku dies and others are not. Now let’s say goku gets hakai’d. He would stop existing.
@@shamartherealestsavage now to explain the whole goku thing, I have no clue. I’d lose a brain cell trying to piece together everything. The black saga isn’t bad but realistically it’s terrible since trunks fucked up the future by traveling back and forth from the past and the future to help his friends and family out, which caused ripples in time.
@@akuma4293 well that's that,tho of course if Goku got Hakai'd....he doesn't exist,Tho if he had The Time ring... that's a different story.... just like black (tho zamasu was erase,it didn't effect him cause of the time Ring) True tho all this Was Trunks doing....the whole time machine thing was crazy.....and even in Heros (tho it's non canon) black fought 100 different Goku's 💀oh don't worry, I'm still trying to piece everything together
( you guys probably already know this but imma explain anyway) so the potaras are the naturally STRONGER fusion but it can’t handle that much power, in like the fusion dance which CAN handle more power. since goku and vegeta went blue as vegito that shortens the fusions time limit from one hour to like 10 or 15 minutes cause the potaras can’t handle that much power.( so yeah i explained that best i could,so yeah)
20:14 To play Devils advocate... In the anime, Black stated that he fully he gained the form by simply integrating Goku's fighting style into his own to be able to achieve Super Saiyan Rosé. In the Manga, he started off at Super Saiyan 1 and Goku Black's standard Super Saiyan form eventually evolves into Rosé form after exploiting the Zenkai Boost by letting Future Zamasu heal his injuries a few times, with Goku Black noting his divine soul and Saiyan body are becoming one.
I think the reason goku black was able to handle vegeta before going rose was because zamasu switched bodies with goku when he was able to go super saiyan blue already. So even tho gokus "body"was already able to handle that much power. It was was zamasu just trying to learn the power instead of achieving it and with him being God already probably made it easier. So when vegeta was whaling on him it finally unlocked rose.
I think it makes sense how Black kept up with Ssj blue. If we think about it, he took Goku's body at a point where he had already learned about God ki. Zamasu just had to het used to the new body to bring out his full potential
To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's stated that Zamasu lost some of his power when he swapped bodies and when Captain Ginyu swapped bodies with Goku on Namek, he was so weak that KRILLIN could beat him, so Zamasu probably wasn't accessing most of the body's power until he actually faced a challenge. Plus it's possible that Goku Black is similar to Gohan, maybe being a Saiyan-Kai hybrid which would make him exponentially stronger.
Goku black was able to fight vegeta because he was learning how the saiyan body works and dummy goku was teaching him how to use it making him explode in power after the fight
@@LostTone0 true that he isn't. But Zamasu/black was holding back. (It was shown when he powered up more) If goku jumped to 3 which he runs out of power in quickly, Black would've hit full power and most likely out lasted goku. And remember zamasu found a way to break Goku's zenkai. Just by getting hit he gets multiple times stronger. Not to mention he found out how to use supersayain just by seeing goku do it.
@@LostTone0 this is true. But i'm talking about raw power. Literally everytime Black got hit it was a power up. The worse it hurt the more power he got. That much was confirmed
@@LostTone0 however i do like your train of thought. And i think goku should've just went red or blue and blitzed him after seeing whet he did to trunks.
19:02, Unless I’m mistaken, there was a way this story could have written to make sense of Goku Black’s power being this high that involves the Zenkai Boost. Just as Vegeta had Krillin almost kill him in his bid to match Frieza’s power, Goku Black could have had Zamasu nearly kill him multiple times at some point during their partnership until he was around the same power as present Goku and Vegeta or even above it. Or they could have simply used alternate Zamasu’s Super Dragon Balls to increase Goku Blacks power level before destroying them. One or the other.
Black's first fight went bad because he was in the same position as Captain Ginyu: he was in an unfamiliar body, but he didn't realize he wasn't drawing out it's full potential. He was in Goku's base form and hadn't pulled any more power out of it. After that fight with Goku, he realized he had only scratched the surface of what Goku's body can do. So he needed time to figure out all of Goku's abilities, which he did by training against the immortal version of Zamasu.
Nah he just doesn’t pay attention to the details and how the story has explanations for the power boosts cuz it’s all explained if you look closely tbh Some arcs have some inconsistencies or bad writing that makes the scaling dumb but this isn’t the arc.
@@maxlilite426nope it’s doesn’t and I’ll tell you why. This is an already used Goku body. It’s not no fusion or no amp. And the fact that Goku black out nowhere automatically have a greater Zenkai a Goku which btw was suppose to be equivalent to Universe 6 vs 7. Which in theory he should be weaker. Nah, this ain’t power scaling at this point it’s the writing. Which is why this is a clear example of why series should only take time and do things right and not listen to no fans.
An interesting point that most folks overlook is that the reason Merged Zamasu got all 'two-facey' is because Goku KILLED the Goku Black half during their beam struggle. And since, the Zamasu portion of their fusion was immortal, their body ended up becoming unbalanced af since now it was an immortal Zamasu fused with a DEAD Goku Black! 🤯
Aaron, is u forgetting that zamasu took gokus body FROM super? So he was already pretty strong but we don’t know how far into the future he took his body
It’s like when ginyu took gokus body, he couldn’t release the full power and that’s exactly what happened to zamasu. Until he actually fought goku he didn’t know how to use the power the body had
Okay yeah Dragon Ball is good with time but they did pretty good in this one if you are from the future and be erased from the past what happened in the future still happens because he's not dead so basically zamasu is reverse-flash
why black handled blue vegeta was not shown in the anime but in the manga vegeta beats him into a pulp and the other zamasu heals him back to full then he goes rose after vegeta beats him (when black is in super saiyan)
Oh what happened was that Goku was still in Super Sayian God Blue while using Kaioken at the exact same time which is why Zamatsu got his ass whooped, cause Goku first used it during the fight tournament between universe 7 and universe 8 which screwed up his ki a bit but he got better at it by training with whis
What if goku was evil?: Turles. Z What if Future Trunks came back?: sure. What if there were female saiyans?: Fasha. Gine. Pan. Bulla. Z and GT What if goku fought an alien?: Really? All of Z except Cell.
Aaron has to know that Zamasu and Goku Black didn’t get erased not because they were in the future but because they had stolen time rings which negated their erasure from all time lines. The Zamasu’s of all the other time lines got erased but they didn’t cause of the rings
The thing about Goku Black is that it unlocks huge potential for both sides when they fused supreme Kais have a lot of power, but less fighting potential, and Goku is normally unable to access "god form" for very long. Putting them together makes it possible to be in his strongest form basically indefinitely with their combined power they were only a bit stronger than Goku, but Zamasu's immortality was too much to overcome even for Vegito even though they were winning they had a time limit while Black/Zamasu didn't.
Aaron did you forget that e took Goku's body from a timeline where he has Super Saiyan Blue as well? Also that Zamasu is in a timeline decades into the future where he could've trained? Zamasu got beat up in a flashback two decades before Trunks timeline because Goten was still 8-9 in that killing scene.
@@jalealgrant9336 this is why I can't take some people seriously when they say some characters lost to plot or something else like that when the building blocks of the show or story are right there. That's not exactly what happened with Aaron here but this reminds me of those situations.
19:45 The reason why Goku black could handle vegeta's blows in BLUE is again BECAUSE OF GOKU, goku fought against goku black making him even stronger than before, we saw this happen idk what the hell kinda inside zenkai he got going from SS2 lvl to SSB and above, but thats the story.
Do people keep forgetting that ssj3 drains a hell of a lot of ki cause this man Aaron said ssj3 instead godku or blueku ssj3 was just a comparison to blacks strength in base form and not only that goku black has god ki so ssj3 wouldn't do jack shi, no hate comment here just saying
To be fair Mikey most likely not into anime or Dragon Ball like that he only knows a few things. Not everyone enjoys watching shows like Dragon Ball fan like.
@@demetriuschaney6264 That was Arron that was getting as mad as he was getting about it. Plus you got to admit most of the stuff happening in the Arc didn't make any sense like Goku Black constant zenkais without being near death that ability is only available during near death there was no point within the arc Goku Black was near death he was getting buffed every hit.
Well the reason Future Zamasu was still around was simply due to beerus being inable to erase immortals. He may have erased the OTHER versions of Zamasu, with him being an exception. Or maybe the whole "Erase from existence" is simply exclusive to HIS universe. There are other beerus' in other alternate timelines. Also Immortal Zamasu should've been dogwatered. Such a good arc but with the 2/3 and 3/3 of the arc being so....retconned.
I agree with Aaron about DBS bein fanservice. But you know what would've made the Goku Black Arc the ultimate fanservice even though it wouldn't make any sense? If Goku Black was actually future Goten. Everyone would've kissed up to Toriyama after that!
@@maazshaikh5996 Lmao, imagine you out here, just finished fighting for your life during the Cell saga, but the *one person* who died just to give you strength came back to life and tried to murder you in cold blood along with everything you love.
I been waiting for this reaction the goku black arc is my favorite from super but had the worst ending they should’ve followed the manga adaptation completely
If you think about it, Goku Black being this strong makes sense since Zenkai boosts don't only activate by near death, it also activate from the damage you take and the longer the fight goes on, those two are slight boosts, but near death experiences are significant jumps in power, also his Ssjg is stronger than there's since it isn't just god ki, it's actually a spirit of a God in side of a mortal's body with God Ki, which is why his hair is pink instead of blue, makes sense to me. I probs sound like a nerd fr😅. Aron isn't wrong for thinking that though, I understand
Goku black took advantage of zenkia boost in every fight since the beginning with goku and god ki also adds to the power cuz of the pressure and strenght you should be mad about the current events now thats bullshit
On top of that if Aaron really did watch Goku grow up then he would know that ginyu gained gokus body using a body transfer technique and even he is mentions that there is a limit to how much power that you can draw out when you take someone's body so technically Goku black finally got ahold of Super Saiyan blue but his version was Goku rose because the dude was already born with God Ki
It always amazes me how the most simplest concepts in Dragon Ball just go over people's heads, especially when it comes to time travel, but to be fair, the anime explained a lot of this arc horribly. Personally, the manga did it better, in my honest opinion.
@30:30 Kais are used for creation and Gods are for destruction and their linked to create balance between the two. Which means, if the Kai creates anything that doesn’t seem fit for the Universe to increase its Mortal Level the God destroys it and the Kai would have to start over
I love how Aaron’s argument is that Goku shouldn’t have been that strong since he couldn’t win against ssj2 goku, but black was in base and putting up a decent fight. The body goku black stole was from the present future. Plus anytime regular goku gets stronger the time ring helps him keep up with goku and the future gap plus zamasu’s own ki makes him stronger. In honesty just goku black could’ve bodied all of them himself
The Kerch looking fire asf big dawwwwgs ya gotta come up with more tho positive vibes n yeh appreciate ya for uploading more videos always make my day 💪
Remember future Trunks? Also just to point out the only reason Goku let Gohan fight cell is because he was stronger. There’s also a lot more but to simplify a potential paragraph, Goku’s only father figure was Grandpa Gohan and they mainly bonded through fighting infact pretty much all of Goku’s friends had an attempt on his life and some are close… Yamcha, so of course he would think fighting Gohan would make good father son bonding, but then again before Raditz came Goku pretty much renounced fighting since he was the strongest and he spent a lot of time at home even sacrificing himself to save him. Something else to point out is Piccolo Jr. was like six o something and incredibly abusive to Gohan leaving him to survive in the dragon ball wilderness which for some reason has dinosaurs. Is Goku a good dad between decent to ok, but by far isn’t the worst and Vegeta did become a decent fathe too. One last thing is I personally respect your opinion Goku most of the time forgets Gohan and how to be his father and Vegeta in GT and Super usually makes room for his family.
@@King_Barbados I don't think Goku is a bad father, I just can't be Believe they said Goku was better at Vegeta at being a father. Sorry the confusion if there was one
@@mr.unpopularopinion6431 he was until super, vegeta only stopped abusing and ignoring trunks and his family when Buu saga hit. Meanwhile goku was a good father since The Dragon ball timeskip when we learn goku even had a kid.
One of the things that got me about Zamasu was he was sayin the mortals were dangerous because they're violent but his first knee jerk reaction was to commit mass amounts of um. Violence to erradicate them.
Aaron my guy imma give you the benefit of the doubt since they didnt fully explain it in the anime but the manga Blk Goku explains he was abusing zenkai boost and also Zamusu godly cells merged with his saiyan cells. Blk Goku even said he couldnt even go super saiyan at first until he combined the cells with his own meaning a equal version of ssb since hes born with god ki
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The only reason goku black has beef with blue vegeta cause in the manga ive read zamasu is in awe seeing goku black rose form then explains how instead of him having super saiyan blue hair its a divine pink color. So goku black has the power of super saiyan blue because hes a god it adds his pure god ki to the transformation based on the manga i read
26:20 I think the best way I can explain this is goku black is part sayin with god energy. With that ability to recover back stronger, he used that to his advantage in killing the other kais, making him stronger. When he decides to fight the goku in this timeline, his (goku black) base form is already *that* much more powerful due to all the previous off-screen fights with the kais. So by the time when goku black and current goku fought, he (goku black) was not trying and letting himself take more damage to get more powerful. Basically, he let his enemies damage him, he uses the sayin power to heal and make himself stronger, he repeated the process until he got to such a high level, in just his base form. If that makes sense
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Black was only weak at 1st cuz he couldn't use all of Goku's power at full capacity. He had the same problem Ginyu did.
Obviously he could lmao, he literally had better zenkai than all Saiyan warriors. He literally used Trunks to get stronger.
@Xiter 2023 no, the body swap process was incomplete. He lost a lot of Goku's potential and had to regain it. Not only that, in order to use God Ki/Use a God Form, he had to combine his own limited God Ki (all Kai's are born with some, usually in small amounts) with the potential he'd unlocked for Goku to create an alternative form
@@bradleybarnett1469 it's not actually an alternative form, it's just ssj + Zamasu's energy.
@@Xiter2024 it essentially just Ssj blue but with zamasu’s god ki instead of Saiyan god ki. In the manga Zamasu went normal ssj
@@downd.stairs8313that's only in the manga.
If Goku Black/Zamasu or Frieza could harness racism the same way the Saiyan's harness rage they would be the strongest characters in dragonball
The fact that Black is probably one of the top 10 and Frieza is in the top 5, it wouldn't fly over my head if that was true.
@@hollowknightdale4120ho’s in your top 5 are u talking villains only cause who up there instead of cell and king cold up there with frieza
Frieza already does that it’s what generates his plot armor
@@TORQ111 he meant top 5 in the most racist anime characters
Frieza is the strongest non god in DB right now, lol
20:00 Goku Black has the ability to actively trigger zenkai boosts during battle.
Both of them are retarded man just ignore them they clearly don’t understand scaling
Nope, check the manga ( which is the actual canon, he gets healed by the other zamasu a few times)
@@dherikfaria9871 same difference, He taking advantage of the Zenkai boost
@@dherikfaria9871 both the anime and manga are canon. The anime has the anime canon and the manga has the manga canon. Its up to the fans to which they want to follow.
@@dherikfaria9871 from Battle of Gods onwards, the anime, manga and movies all have their own canons
Goku was a great father, he always took care of his children while he was alive and on Earth, his children look up to him and respect himand his teachings.
On the other hand, Piccolo threw Gohan in the wild for 6 months, trained him fot 6 more months and never had at least a full talk until Buu Saga; Gohan became Piccolo's first and best friend, but still, at best i would say that Piccolo was a older brother figure.
and id say their relationship is based on Stockholm syndrome
@@durrangodsgrief6503 no it's not.....like at all. Do you even know what that phrase means
@@durrangodsgrief6503 another dbza sheep
two words... "senzu bean"
The fact that Mikey doesn’t know the power creep between Goku and Gohan during the Cell saga which was also during the moment people thought Goku was a bad father in DBZ and Aaron trying to explain that he wasn’t a bad father but neither great, has to be one of the funniest thing in this video, for how common DB fans argue about it wether or not Goku is a good or a bad parent
Whenever people have that argument, I try to remind them that Goku is a better father than Batman. It's stupid but hey, no more debates.
The only time Gohan express to be discontent with Goku, and even then how was Goku supposed to know if Gohan never said he didn't liked to fight? (That was also an asspull from Toriyama's part, Gohan never expressed to not like fighting or killing before that infamous moment in fact killing a Freeza Soldier without any problem back in namek)
that "goku is a bad father" part is nearly 100% dbza's fault sadly, I admire the people who made DBZA but the people who WATCH it take it like it's gospel.
@@EpikHellSword Gohan was still a child around 10 years old in Cell Saga (in fact, his age at Raditz's invasion was retconned in reprints of the manga from 3 to 4).
@@EpikHellSword Goku was also raised as an Earthling from the moment he got amnesia as a child, but he was raised by an old martial artist and never had any formal education (is also implied that Chi-Chi's education on how family works comes from magazines as she never had a present mother), it doesn't help that all of Goku male friends trained and fought since childhood like himself. In all, Goku was a pretty good father with the manga and anime implying he was present on Gohan's life while alive and on Earth.
Aaron I just want to say that in the manga it is implied that Zamasu would get Goku Black close to death then heal him, this is also implied to happen in the anime
Okay....but if that's the case...then they would've had to do that for Jiren since they DID save Earth for last...right?
@@DarkDoodle34 Bro where did Jiren come from
@@DarkDoodle34 incorrect they saved earth for last in Universe 7 not overall Universes he couldn't claim himself a God with no one to rule over.
@@lenzelrahming4169 Ohhhh mb lol I'm slow
20:00 It’s Because If you watched the Battle of Gods Arc After Goku loses the Form Beerus notes that he Absorbed the God Form into his Base form so Goku in Base Form In Super has God Ki and Goku in Base with the God Ki can even amplify his power further with Transformations so since Goku Black fought SSJ2 Which is Way Stronger than His Base Form Allowed Goku Black to Feel that Level of God Ki He had so he actively got stronger plus to stack it up with Zenkai Boosts and his Saiyan Heritage
I was about type that out. I'm so glad someone else knew that as well.
@@lunikbase4644 lol I debate with dragon ball characters that’s why so I knew how to respond to his rant
Also at this point, goku or vegeta hadn't mastered ssgss, so after a few minutes they were fighting at 10% power, while goku black was using rose at 100% due to already mastering and controlling god ki as a kai
Y’all finally doing GOKU black🧍♂️
black is always associated with bad stuff 😈
Goku black could do me anyday
@@memeemporer11 yb better
@@memeemporer11 Ayo
you know they are reacting to a video right?
All Goku black needs is a snicker to calm his nerves.
“Because you not you when your hungry”.
My man, this man Black snickers all the time, tf the candy bar gonna do?
Snickers is a ningen creation and as such won’t be anywhere near Black
It might calm him down for a little
Probably for a second then he’ll be back at it
It's called *GOATku black*
I will say to Aaron’s comment on Zamasu being able to survive fighting trunks and goku in the future, to my understanding it wasn’t that zamasu was any stronger or anything it’s just that he wished to be immortal before showing up to the future. So he was still weak as he was, it’s just he couldn’t die😂🤷🏾♂️
No zamasu first wish was to take goku body then go to a alternate timeline recruit himself then use the dragon balls from that timeline to wish for that zamasu to become immortal.
Zamasu was pretty much the immortal punching bag, that would sucker punch you if left open.
Zamasu had to be the pettiest god to decide to wipe out mortals in all universes because he lost a fight
and those dinos probably needed longer to evolve
Or Gowasu could’ve went to an advanced civilization and go to the past to show Zamasu that every advanced society were once barbarians. Also that the planet and creatures around shows the mentality of the inhabitants.
@@King_Barbados That's a good point too like showing the past and future that not all civilizations started out advanced. Gowasu did try peacefully kinda down the while you aren't wrong, we aren't supposed to destroy them route. Morals didn't line up in the end 🤷♂
The Stone Age lasted for 2.5 million years, theay needed more then a 1000 years to progress.
@@kinkishiasano8046 oh snap I didn't know the stone age lasted that long, definitely more than 1000 to progress
@@kinkishiasano8046
TBH we got lucky, it didn't really end until the 1500-1600s and most modern inventions were made in the past 50-60 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love how Aaron didn’t think that zamasu stole Goku’s body which has god ki on it. All zamasu need to do is figure a way to make goku god Kiinto his own and surpass it and plus every punch he gets it a plus Zenkai boost so every punch he get it makes him stronger
Yeah. I know he and some of fandom do mess with Mikey for his lack of knowledge of anime, but this is one those examples where Aaron is more of a dumbass than Mikey.
It's also kinda ironic and funny how he tried to call out Toriyama for not being a good writer, but doesn't have the brain cells to call Kishimoto trash for fumbling a majority of the female cast.
I was just about to say didn’t he stole goku’s body with goku’s power and transformations. So it makes sense he is stronger.
I was about to point that out too, I mean that was the whole point of stealing goku's body was because he was powerful and then he learnt to better utilize goku's body after seeing him fight the same goku's body who had already gone through all the training goku had already done... it's like Aaron just thought that Zamasu's power was kept with the swap which beats the point of the swap in the first place...
Yeah even if it went off his example of seeming on par with SSJ2 Goku, he was wiping Trunks who was also in SSJ2 like a fly on the window without even trying.
Black specifies many a times all the fighting is getting him more accustomed to the body allowing him to access more and more of it's potential, a potential which would've been At Least post SSJB Kaioken ×10 Hit fight when going off the backstory, hell after all his growing he didn't even realize that Saiyans' Power comes from their anger till he pulls out the scythe at which point he gets so much more astronomically in tune with the body he can tear rifts in space.
Also the rant about Beerus erasing him in the past not affecting Black was explained with the Time Ring.
This arc is far from perfect but damn some of these complaints were directly explained Multiple times...
Actually it was implied that goku black got stronger the more pain he felt that's why when he first fought against goku you see how the more damage that was being dealt he powered up more and that's on top of the fact that goku black couldn't fully use goku's body to the fullest. Like how ginyu couldn't use goku body mind and body was not in sync the power of goku was there black just couldn't fully use it that's why goku black is my favorite villian
Fuck all dat baki would finish black in 1 minute im not even dragon ball z fan cuz y'all title really sus fr and only best character was really the main one but let be fr in anime universe black couldn't or wouldn't beat baki im not into anime world but my point is black is a mid for me
@@Ziggyhere57 baki couldn't even touch yamcha
@@Ziggyhere57 you're a clown
@@Ziggyhere57 nigga Baki not even touching krillin 💀
@@Ziggyhere57 Baki can’t even beat raditz lmao
For those who are confused about how Zamazu kill the Goku inside his own body, pretty much a Zamazu wished to be in Goku’s body so then he switched his soul into Goku’s body, while Goku went into Zamazu’s body leading to Goku black killing Goku in his old body
Thank You Sometimes Animes Don’t Give Us Explanations
@@TheLitch00 They already explained this in that anime.
@@justinbryan6249 but not properly
@@TheLitch00 but... they did
@@TheLitch00they did, you all didn't pay attention that's all
That's actually true, Gohan always understood the sacrifice Goku had to make. The only person his absence had a negative impact on was gotten and at that point Goku was dead
Aaron bro you are correct on the fact zenkai and God ki not being enough. But you forget about body swap and transformation rules. Plus the fact he said he studied Goku to figure out the way uses his body. Beforehand zamaso was using the body the way he prefed
Maybe Aaron didn’t take into account that zamasu took Goku’s body who has already reache ssj blue. So with the combined blue and already god ki it took affect. I understand y you would think a zenkai boost would only do so little but that’s literally why he was eating those vegeta licks. Because he took Gokus literal current state from him. That’s why he killed Goku while he was in Zamasu’s body because there was a clear huge power gap. But continue to push out good content kings
28:05 “ PLAY THE VIDEO” got me dying. Mike was really tired of Aaron’s bullsh*t
I would be too bro pauses like 37 times before the halfway mark on every video 💀
SSRose is black's version of blue. Its pink because of his god ki. How was he able to keep up with vegeta? My head cannon is that since hes immortal, he just abused zenkai boost before the arc started
Goku Black isn't immortal, the other Zamasu is
@@junglekxngtalksanime ah shit, I forgot since they are the literally the same person
@@jerrygoodman1943 yea i feel ya, this arc gets real confusing 😅
@@junglekxngtalksanime I forgive the bs since Goku black has some tshirts and art that are straight ⛽
@@jerrygoodman1943 one of these days, I gotta cop one🔥
(Around 38:38) I'll give you the play by play since I enjoy this part, the thing he did differently was he stopped holding back. Man went actual Full Power, so much so that after that Kamehameha his arms were limp, this attack plus Merged Zamasu's blowing up in his face was enough to Kill the mortal half of Merged Zamasu. Goku in that moment legitimately killed Black which the half immortal body didn't sit well, with leaving a weakpoint like in a boss fight when you wound the boss and keep hitting the wound for crit damage, Goku then with limp arms launched at that weakpoint kicking the s#¡t out of it (to then get grabbed and shocked in retaliation) at which point he used that last trump card *KAIO-KICK!* to drop Merged Zamasu so hard it quote "beat the divinity out of him". Yeah it seems to come out of no where but notice after all that Goku was out of it like fully, plays into his "Dumb at everything except fighting" shtick cause he knows not to fight yourself into full fatigue leaving an opening unless it's out of desparation or the final push. I mean of course they always hold back for like 80% of every arc so that there's something to actually watch, but you know what happens when you're careless with power and drain yourself before the fight's finished seen during that Kid Buu fight on the Kai World using SSJ3.
Makes even more sense when you compare the two scenes too
Father Son Galick Gun had Trunks and Vegeta still in their transformed states just out of breath
Gokus arms just straight up went limp and after the Kaioken he lost all power where as Vegeta only lost power after getting hit by Zamasus attack
Didn't they say the reason Zamasu's body started to break down was because since he fused an immortal with a non-immortal, he wasn't immortal anymore
yeah he became only half immortal, and the purple part of his face is due to goku black being killed
@@seaniverse363 yeah that’s what I thought
The divine energy and The fact that he is in Goku's body and Saiyan's get stronger the more damage they take and heal from
Everybody knows Reverse Flash is the most pettiest man who ever existed in fictional history outside of stinkmeaner
R Flash destroys Black
I'm surprised reverse flash isn't on the round table
Thanos: who df
@UntamedSlayer Thanos isn't petty, he just wants to be with Death or something like that
@@jacobwells9207 Weren't there a Death Battle with those two?
If Zamasu wasn't wearing the ring, then he would've been affected by the Hakai
They literally explain that so Aaron is a dumbass
Apparently after the beating Goku gave black when he went to the future he kept fatally wounding himself near death and letting Zamasu heal him over and over exploiting the Zenkais.
This is why I like the goku black arc more in the Manga, cause in that, the way goku black got to super saiyan rose cause he was exploiting zenkai boosts over and over
Facts
They could've just made Turles cannon would've been better.
Actually it makes perfect sense for Black to beat their asses, We know that it takes time for someone to adapt to another body as we saw when Ginyu stole his body, but he was not able to utilize it in to it's fullest potential due to no adapating to yet. This is also the case with Black, he specifically stated after he got back to the future after that first goku fight that he finally was able to master and adapt to the body. That's why he was blue level and stronger, that body is the body of a goku just before the ToP, and Black was only able to finally adapt completely to the body after the first fight with Goku
Nah Aaron finally putting it into words. Y’all wanna act like Kale and Caulifa doesn’t make sense hell even cabba. But y’all look at Goku black and said “oh yeah that make sense because he has deity ki.” For once he speaking the truth. And I remember this too specifically that people where complaining about Trunks keeping up with SSJ2 Goku. And I was of course foolish enough to explain why is that the case. But if your gonna tell me that all it takes was to Zamasu to fight Goku once again? Nah
This is why I said the Goku black arc was purely fan made and it’s the reason why everyone loved it because for once the toriyama wanted to listen to fans, and looks where that gotten us. Now he and Toyotaro is out here trying to bring the story back up after the terrible sh-t that happened in the previous. They redeem himself by doing the moro arc. But people wanna sh-t on Toyotaro for no reason when all he is trying to is appeal the fans. At this points y’all who continue to complain about the series, should honestly just stop watching and get hell out. I a sick and tired of seeing people ramble there mouths on this.
17:28 There was one visual gag that showed this species had a progression over the course of 1000 years.
Before they were using their bare fist, now they're using clubs.
They learned how to use weapons and tools which indicate they've entered their own stone age.
It's not a lot of progression I'll give you that, but it's there.
Goku is not a bad father, he's an absent father😅😂
He was saving the world dying for it repeatedly wdymm😂😂😂nobody knows his kids strength like him not even step pop 😂😂
"Don't wish me back" end of Freiza saga.
Thank-you
absent father is a bad father...
They're not the worse but pretty bad
@@deshantepeterson3263 I mean you said he busy fighting that's why he absent most times
Thank you for reacting to this
Zamasu was on some Reverse Flash pettiness but 33:58 at least he ended up inside of him twice also for Trunks, don't shoot this man is not black💀
They actually depict time in a more realistic way than just future, past, and present. It's a more well-known theory that if you go back in time and change the past, it does not change the future that you left. All you did was create a branch that separated off from the point in which you went back in time. Creating a different timeline altogether.
Now, the way they explained how the zamasu from our timeline was erased by beerus but still alive in trunks' timeline was not a very good way of explaining it, but the time rings do still work that way. What actually would've happened is when Whis allowed zamasu to kill gowasu and then turn time back to stop him from killing him, that created another timeline. One in which zamasu did kill his master and acquire the time ring. So, there's a trunk's timeline zamasu, a present zamasu who was erased by beerus, and then a third zamasu who is from the timeline in which whis allowed him to kill gowasu before turning back time to stop him. That's the zamasu who stole goku's body.
I personally don't like it when shows or movies that involve time travel just stick to the simple "if you go to the past and change something, it will change the future." I like the much more complex theories, as they are more representative of what would most likely happen in reality.
i thought this was the case, but the video didn’t rlly explain that. he basically said that since goku black had a time ring beerus’s hakai was reversed, which i knew couldn’t have been true cuz hakai is way too op to be reversed
@@seaniverse363 yea i don't think cj explained it very well. At least when i came to the time ring and how the present zamsu was still alive.
@@HossLUK yeah because there’s literally no way for him to use the time ring when he was erased, since he didn’t exist at all. i also wondered why black never recruited more zamasu’s since all he’d have to do is keep going into the future, and then back to the moment where black killed gowasu, then eventually there’d just be multiple goku blacks and zamasu’s that can team up lol
@seaniverse363 yea, i like to think recruiting more zamasus was a part of his plan to get rid of the grand priest and zeno later on, but realistically , it never got that far because they didn't want that arc to be that long. At least, that's what makes the most sense in my eyes. Either that or they knew that no matter how many zamasus they had, they'd never be able to overthrow the grand priest, let alone zeno, again making the arc a lot shorter than it could have been.
@@HossLUK yeah ig that makes sense bc no way would goku vegeta etc. be able to beat 10 fused zamasu’s, but plot has to keep them alive so
So, when Aaron was getting mad about gohan not being there, an explanation is in there. This is Trunks’ timeline so Gohan got packed up a long ass time ago thanks to the androids.
But Goku was already dead,if that's trunks timeline where Gohan is already dead....how The hell is Goku alive 💀 this does not make sense at all.... unless zamasu took Goku's body from his own timeline,then killed everything in trunks timeline...but that would make 3 timelines..... since Goku, Vegeta and the others are still alive 💀...Did I Miss another paradox
@@shamartherealestsavage explanation for this as well. We all know dragon ball has more than one timeline. They’ve been doing this for a while. Some movies are canon where goku dies and others are not. Now let’s say goku gets hakai’d. He would stop existing.
@@shamartherealestsavage now to explain the whole goku thing, I have no clue. I’d lose a brain cell trying to piece together everything. The black saga isn’t bad but realistically it’s terrible since trunks fucked up the future by traveling back and forth from the past and the future to help his friends and family out, which caused ripples in time.
@@akuma4293 well that's that,tho of course if Goku got Hakai'd....he doesn't exist,Tho if he had The Time ring... that's a different story.... just like black (tho zamasu was erase,it didn't effect him cause of the time Ring) True tho all this Was Trunks doing....the whole time machine thing was crazy.....and even in Heros (tho it's non canon) black fought 100 different Goku's 💀oh don't worry, I'm still trying to piece everything together
@@shamartherealestsavage good luck to you sir because I’d be so damn confused
( you guys probably already know this but imma explain anyway) so the potaras are the naturally STRONGER fusion but it can’t handle that much power, in like the fusion dance which CAN handle more power. since goku and vegeta went blue as vegito that shortens the fusions time limit from one hour to like 10 or 15 minutes cause the potaras can’t handle that much power.( so yeah i explained that best i could,so yeah)
I really love your content you always make me laugh 😂
20:14 To play Devils advocate... In the anime, Black stated that he fully he gained the form by simply integrating Goku's fighting style into his own to be able to achieve Super Saiyan Rosé. In the Manga, he started off at Super Saiyan 1 and Goku Black's standard Super Saiyan form eventually evolves into Rosé form after exploiting the Zenkai Boost by letting Future Zamasu heal his injuries a few times, with Goku Black noting his divine soul and Saiyan body are becoming one.
Goku trained in the afterlife for years never contacting his family when he had the ability to he even told them he’s finna stay there indefinitely 😕
I think the reason goku black was able to handle vegeta before going rose was because zamasu switched bodies with goku when he was able to go super saiyan blue already. So even tho gokus "body"was already able to handle that much power. It was was zamasu just trying to learn the power instead of achieving it and with him being God already probably made it easier. So when vegeta was whaling on him it finally unlocked rose.
I think it makes sense how Black kept up with Ssj blue. If we think about it, he took Goku's body at a point where he had already learned about God ki. Zamasu just had to het used to the new body to bring out his full potential
I just thought he took it from the first episode of super
Bullshit!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's stated that Zamasu lost some of his power when he swapped bodies and when Captain Ginyu swapped bodies with Goku on Namek, he was so weak that KRILLIN could beat him, so Zamasu probably wasn't accessing most of the body's power until he actually faced a challenge. Plus it's possible that Goku Black is similar to Gohan, maybe being a Saiyan-Kai hybrid which would make him exponentially stronger.
Goku black was able to fight vegeta because he was learning how the saiyan body works and dummy goku was teaching him how to use it making him explode in power after the fight
Awesome doing this reaction 💯
Trunks: Don’t shoot, he’s not black!
Fans: 😮😵💫😵🫣😶😑
Finally! I have been waiting for this reaction
It's really not Goku's fault, If he would've went to SS3 Black would've gotten stronger faster
Not if Goku killed him quick, Goku black isn't immoral.
@@LostTone0 true that he isn't. But Zamasu/black was holding back. (It was shown when he powered up more)
If goku jumped to 3 which he runs out of power in quickly, Black would've hit full power and most likely out lasted goku.
And remember zamasu found a way to break Goku's zenkai. Just by getting hit he gets multiple times stronger. Not to mention he found out how to use supersayain just by seeing goku do it.
@Edward Bradstreet It shows in the anime that he needed time to imprint Goku's abilities into himself after he was forced back to the future, though.
@@LostTone0 this is true. But i'm talking about raw power. Literally everytime Black got hit it was a power up. The worse it hurt the more power he got. That much was confirmed
@@LostTone0 however i do like your train of thought. And i think goku should've just went red or blue and blitzed him after seeing whet he did to trunks.
19:02, Unless I’m mistaken, there was a way this story could have written to make sense of Goku Black’s power being this high that involves the Zenkai Boost. Just as Vegeta had Krillin almost kill him in his bid to match Frieza’s power, Goku Black could have had Zamasu nearly kill him multiple times at some point during their partnership until he was around the same power as present Goku and Vegeta or even above it. Or they could have simply used alternate Zamasu’s Super Dragon Balls to increase Goku Blacks power level before destroying them. One or the other.
Thank you Aaron for having a strong understanding of anime and keeping Mikey in check.
Aaron got so much wrong in this episode. The only thing he got right was Goku not being a bad father
@@557deadpool he even got that wrong
@@bigstarwarsfan5714 no he didn't
Goku is a mid or ok father, in my opinion. Then again, Gohan was with Piccolo most of the time while Goku was dead or off training somewhere.
@@LostTone0 and you know why goku dead because of he save his son if you really watch db then you know
Black's first fight went bad because he was in the same position as Captain Ginyu: he was in an unfamiliar body, but he didn't realize he wasn't drawing out it's full potential. He was in Goku's base form and hadn't pulled any more power out of it. After that fight with Goku, he realized he had only scratched the surface of what Goku's body can do. So he needed time to figure out all of Goku's abilities, which he did by training against the immortal version of Zamasu.
I love how mad Aaron got over the power levels lol
for real lol
I mean yeah the anime sucks at doing its 1 job, wich is being consistant.
Nah he just doesn’t pay attention to the details and how the story has explanations for the power boosts cuz it’s all explained if you look closely tbh
Some arcs have some inconsistencies or bad writing that makes the scaling dumb but this isn’t the arc.
Fr lol
@@maxlilite426nope it’s doesn’t and I’ll tell you why. This is an already used Goku body. It’s not no fusion or no amp. And the fact that Goku black out nowhere automatically have a greater Zenkai a Goku which btw was suppose to be equivalent to Universe 6 vs 7. Which in theory he should be weaker. Nah, this ain’t power scaling at this point it’s the writing. Which is why this is a clear example of why series should only take time and do things right and not listen to no fans.
An interesting point that most folks overlook is that the reason Merged Zamasu got all 'two-facey' is because Goku KILLED the Goku Black half during their beam struggle.
And since, the Zamasu portion of their fusion was immortal, their body ended up becoming unbalanced af since now it was an immortal Zamasu fused with a DEAD Goku Black! 🤯
Aaron, is u forgetting that zamasu took gokus body FROM super? So he was already pretty strong but we don’t know how far into the future he took his body
It’s like when ginyu took gokus body, he couldn’t release the full power and that’s exactly what happened to zamasu. Until he actually fought goku he didn’t know how to use the power the body had
Aye yoo Aaron had me scared for a min, whomever pisses him off don't talk no more 💯💀
Black/Zamasu is one my favorite villains in DB history.
Glad to see you guys are watching this, also can’t wait for you guys to hit 1Mill! 😄
Okay yeah Dragon Ball is good with time but they did pretty good in this one if you are from the future and be erased from the past what happened in the future still happens because he's not dead so basically zamasu is reverse-flash
28:04 *“PLAY THE VIDEO!”* got me dying. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mike was really tired of Aaron’s BS. That's how I felt every time I get pissed at someone nitpicking.
why black handled blue vegeta was not shown in the anime but in the manga vegeta beats him into a pulp and the other zamasu heals him back to full then he goes rose after vegeta beats him (when black is in super saiyan)
Oh what happened was that Goku was still in Super Sayian God Blue while using Kaioken at the exact same time which is why Zamatsu got his ass whooped, cause Goku first used it during the fight tournament between universe 7 and universe 8 which screwed up his ki a bit but he got better at it by training with whis
Does my heart good to see Aaron wearing an RX-78-2 shirt
Also I love the fact that he called CJ to back him up. Aaron's lore game is on point
39:05 that's the question that really bothered me when I watched the show. Vegeta is as strong, and while he is weak, he had Trunks help
What if goku was evil?: Turles. Z
What if Future Trunks came back?: sure.
What if there were female saiyans?: Fasha. Gine. Pan. Bulla. Z and GT
What if goku fought an alien?: Really? All of Z except Cell.
nah fr
Aaron has to know that Zamasu and Goku Black didn’t get erased not because they were in the future but because they had stolen time rings which negated their erasure from all time lines. The Zamasu’s of all the other time lines got erased but they didn’t cause of the rings
Rest in peace, Akira Toriyama.
The thing about Goku Black is that it unlocks huge potential for both sides when they fused supreme Kais have a lot of power, but less fighting potential, and Goku is normally unable to access "god form" for very long. Putting them together makes it possible to be in his strongest form basically indefinitely with their combined power they were only a bit stronger than Goku, but Zamasu's immortality was too much to overcome even for Vegito even though they were winning they had a time limit while Black/Zamasu didn't.
Aaron bro black trained offscreen to fight exactly like goku . remember Godtube so he watched goku fight
Aaron did you forget that e took Goku's body from a timeline where he has Super Saiyan Blue as well? Also that Zamasu is in a timeline decades into the future where he could've trained?
Zamasu got beat up in a flashback two decades before Trunks timeline because Goten was still 8-9 in that killing scene.
I know this is 9 months later, but i was thinking the same thing. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about😂 and CJ clearly doesnt know either
@@jalealgrant9336 this is why I can't take some people seriously when they say some characters lost to plot or something else like that when the building blocks of the show or story are right there.
That's not exactly what happened with Aaron here but this reminds me of those situations.
Also he does be protecting everyone but he just takes his sweet time to reach his God level power so Mikey is right
19:45 The reason why Goku black could handle vegeta's blows in BLUE is again BECAUSE OF GOKU, goku fought against goku black making him even stronger than before, we saw this happen idk what the hell kinda inside zenkai he got going from SS2 lvl to SSB and above, but thats the story.
His divine energy
Do people keep forgetting that ssj3 drains a hell of a lot of ki cause this man Aaron said ssj3 instead godku or blueku ssj3 was just a comparison to blacks strength in base form and not only that goku black has god ki so ssj3 wouldn't do jack shi, no hate comment here just saying
Yes!!! I've been waiting for y'all to do this one. No Lie this is for like my end of the day type of videos
Blaming Goku for everything that went wrong in this arc shows that neither of them comprehended what was happening in the show.
To be fair Mikey most likely not into anime or Dragon Ball like that he only knows a few things. Not everyone enjoys watching shows like Dragon Ball fan like.
@@rin4425 The way he’s getting heated over stuff he clearly didn’t understand shows me that he’s a fan. Just an extremely misled fan.
@@demetriuschaney6264 That was Arron that was getting as mad as he was getting about it. Plus you got to admit most of the stuff happening in the Arc didn't make any sense like Goku Black constant zenkais without being near death that ability is only available during near death there was no point within the arc Goku Black was near death he was getting buffed every hit.
@@rin4425 He was a deity in a Saiyan’s body. His power boosts were not on the same level as regular mortals.
@@demetriuschaney6264 Trunks new transformation that wasn't talked about or anything and the fact it became obsolete very quickly
Aaron snapped when he was talking about zenkai boosts
True super sayin rage 20:00
More like dumbass rage
BEEN WAITING
The anger in 20:08 😂😂
Well the reason Future Zamasu was still around was simply due to beerus being inable to erase immortals. He may have erased the OTHER versions of Zamasu, with him being an exception.
Or maybe the whole "Erase from existence" is simply exclusive to HIS universe. There are other beerus' in other alternate timelines.
Also Immortal Zamasu should've been dogwatered. Such a good arc but with the 2/3 and 3/3 of the arc being so....retconned.
I agree with Aaron about DBS bein fanservice. But you know what would've made the Goku Black Arc the ultimate fanservice even though it wouldn't make any sense? If Goku Black was actually future Goten. Everyone would've kissed up to Toriyama after that!
OR if it was Future Gohan Black lol
Poor Trunks would've needed therapy for the rest of his damn life at that point 😅
@@maazshaikh5996 Lmao, imagine you out here, just finished fighting for your life during the Cell saga, but the *one person* who died just to give you strength came back to life and tried to murder you in cold blood along with everything you love.
@@antonhanna2423 Ikr? 💀
Been waiting for this
I been waiting for this reaction the goku black arc is my favorite from super but had the worst ending they should’ve followed the manga adaptation completely
Possible theory is that he had been training before Goku and the others showed. That is how he reached that level to match Vegeta.
If you think about it, Goku Black being this strong makes sense since Zenkai boosts don't only activate by near death, it also activate from the damage you take and the longer the fight goes on, those two are slight boosts, but near death experiences are significant jumps in power, also his Ssjg is stronger than there's since it isn't just god ki, it's actually a spirit of a God in side of a mortal's body with God Ki, which is why his hair is pink instead of blue, makes sense to me. I probs sound like a nerd fr😅. Aron isn't wrong for thinking that though, I understand
I love watching these Philly on Mars videos but only when it’s Mikey and Aaron reacting 😂💪🏻
This is a cjdachamp video 😅
@@alphatech1743 shit my bad 😂 I’m just used to seeing things like this from Philly
Goku black took advantage of zenkia boost in every fight since the beginning with goku and god ki also adds to the power cuz of the pressure and strenght you should be mad about the current events now thats bullshit
On top of that if Aaron really did watch Goku grow up then he would know that ginyu gained gokus body using a body transfer technique and even he is mentions that there is a limit to how much power that you can draw out when you take someone's body so technically Goku black finally got ahold of Super Saiyan blue but his version was Goku rose because the dude was already born with God Ki
Also, Black was protected from any changes by the time ring. He says so himself.
It always amazes me how the most simplest concepts in Dragon Ball just go over people's heads, especially when it comes to time travel, but to be fair, the anime explained a lot of this arc horribly. Personally, the manga did it better, in my honest opinion.
@30:30 Kais are used for creation and Gods are for destruction and their linked to create balance between the two. Which means, if the Kai creates anything that doesn’t seem fit for the Universe to increase its Mortal Level the God destroys it and the Kai would have to start over
I love how Aaron’s argument is that Goku shouldn’t have been that strong since he couldn’t win against ssj2 goku, but black was in base and putting up a decent fight. The body goku black stole was from the present future. Plus anytime regular goku gets stronger the time ring helps him keep up with goku and the future gap plus zamasu’s own ki makes him stronger. In honesty just goku black could’ve bodied all of them himself
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Ain't no way they say Vegeta is a bad father.
Remember future Trunks? Also just to point out the only reason Goku let Gohan fight cell is because he was stronger. There’s also a lot more but to simplify a potential paragraph, Goku’s only father figure was Grandpa Gohan and they mainly bonded through fighting infact pretty much all of Goku’s friends had an attempt on his life and some are close… Yamcha, so of course he would think fighting Gohan would make good father son bonding, but then again before Raditz came Goku pretty much renounced fighting since he was the strongest and he spent a lot of time at home even sacrificing himself to save him. Something else to point out is Piccolo Jr. was like six o something and incredibly abusive to Gohan leaving him to survive in the dragon ball wilderness which for some reason has dinosaurs. Is Goku a good dad between decent to ok, but by far isn’t the worst and Vegeta did become a decent fathe too. One last thing is I personally respect your opinion Goku most of the time forgets Gohan and how to be his father and Vegeta in GT and Super usually makes room for his family.
@@King_Barbados I don't think Goku is a bad father, I just can't be Believe they said Goku was better at Vegeta at being a father. Sorry the confusion if there was one
@@mr.unpopularopinion6431 he was until super, vegeta only stopped abusing and ignoring trunks and his family when Buu saga hit. Meanwhile goku was a good father since The Dragon ball timeskip when we learn goku even had a kid.
@@mr.unpopularopinion6431 if you compare them in dbz then goku was kinda better but in super vegeta is definitely better then goku as a father
@@osciisnow yeah because super goku is an oc in gokus body hes a completely different person
One of the things that got me about Zamasu was he was sayin the mortals were dangerous because they're violent but his first knee jerk reaction was to commit mass amounts of um. Violence to erradicate them.
The Goku Black arc started off with a monster FIRE but damn was I let down. It started off SO DAMN GOOD. 😢
Aaron my guy imma give you the benefit of the doubt since they didnt fully explain it in the anime but the manga Blk Goku explains he was abusing zenkai boost and also Zamusu godly cells merged with his saiyan cells. Blk Goku even said he couldnt even go super saiyan at first until he combined the cells with his own meaning a equal version of ssb since hes born with god ki
Beerus:
*Control*-moves hand out of the way
*Alt*-lifts hand in front of him in energy blast position.
*Delete*-Hakai.
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6:05 Don't lie gang, this the most coldest thumbnail for a protagonist. 8:14 This is one of the best example of a op going for dat pumpfake to set em up wit dat one reminder 🤣🤣W vid 💪💯
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The only reason goku black has beef with blue vegeta cause in the manga ive read zamasu is in awe seeing goku black rose form then explains how instead of him having super saiyan blue hair its a divine pink color. So goku black has the power of super saiyan blue because hes a god it adds his pure god ki to the transformation based on the manga i read
Yo the reason why he was able to achieve rose was bc in manga he sparred with zamasu nonstop. Don't forget he went ssj and ssj2 in the manga then rose
Also in manga fused zamasu made clowns
Great watch. Here's hoping they continue the Animator vs "" series
26:20 I think the best way I can explain this is goku black is part sayin with god energy. With that ability to recover back stronger, he used that to his advantage in killing the other kais, making him stronger. When he decides to fight the goku in this timeline, his (goku black) base form is already *that* much more powerful due to all the previous off-screen fights with the kais. So by the time when goku black and current goku fought, he (goku black) was not trying and letting himself take more damage to get more powerful.
Basically, he let his enemies damage him, he uses the sayin power to heal and make himself stronger, he repeated the process until he got to such a high level, in just his base form. If that makes sense
Vegeta was the worst father and husband before but he stepped up and it definitely shows in Super