The thing that really gets me is that it's not like you can't show indy running around, beating up nazis and doing all the things he used to do, you just need to show how he is aware his age is catching up on him. Literally all you would need to do is have him find clever ways of getting away that aren't running and fighting and show him getting tired a little more often, it's that simple.
The whole "Pipe to the head" scenario really baffles me. I was already taken out of the movie by the hanging scene and alltough I enjoyed the opening for the most part, I couldn't suspend my disbelief on this. It would've also been so easy to avoid: The goal of the writers is that Indy hands Voller the artefact, but Voller can't look into the bag while he has the heroes at point blank, because if he did, he would've noticed that Indy tried to trick him. So the metal pipe comes in to knock him of the train. Alright, so I think you could pretty much keep everything from this scene, even the pipe saving the day. But the moment Indy's friend warns him about the pipe, let Voller see it too, panic and jump off the train before the pipe hits him. Same outcome, same scenario, same assets, but his survival would've been far more believable.
I think this movie suffered from the problem a lot of legacy sequels suffer from: simply doing what the previous films did without realizing WHY they did it. Like with Voller keeping Indy alive. Obviously, Belloq and Donovan also kept Indy alive during the climax, so we have to do that again. But why did they keep him alive? Belloq was an arrogant old rival of Indy's who wanted Indy to see him finally surpass him and Donovan used Indy as a guinea pig to get to the grail. I guess you could argue for Voller doing the same thing as Belloq, but they share so little screentime and they've clearly only ever interacted ONCE in the past that it makes no sense. Indy has been a nuisance for him the entire time. Taking a prisoner who has shown himself to be an escape artist on a PLANE GOING BACK IN TIME is so dumb and clearly just them forcing Indy into the climax.
The movie in which an octogenarian gets shot and is left bleeding out for what feels like an hour, during which he travels back in time, jumps off a plane, gets knocked out and travels back to the present.
22:15 its bs that indie can take a punch from a 7 foot tall German muscle man and remain conscious, while one punch from his 120 pound god daughter and hes out like a light
Your analysis is thorough. Really surprisingly thorough. I thought this was going to be a hate fest, but you were revealing *all* the problems in this movie, and not just the obvious ones. You get so much right. Well done.
Boyd Holbrook, was criminally underused in this movie and had a lot of cringeworthy moments where his character is silent just because the script says so and you can literally see he's dying inside. I mean he deserved more looking at his stellar performance in Logan 😒
I agree. I see a common sentiment that Dial of Destiny is better than Crystal Skull, but honestly, they are both pretty stupid. The only difference is that I think Spielberg brings a much more joyous and whimsical sense of adventure to his films, while James Mangold made his rendition more serious.
Totally agree. There's so many elements I hate about Crystal Skull, but when it's good, it's great! And the good outweighs the bad. At least Crystal Skull still respected the character and gave him a happy ending.
@@derkeheath5172 Haha, totally understand that. I have some fan edits on my page of Indy 4. You should check them out to see if it helps make it better for you. My fan edit is the only version I watch of it now.
I feel so much the opposite. I genuinely don't get half the criticisms for dial of destiny, much less any of this videos nitpicks. Did no one watch the original trilogy? Indy is constantly getting along by sheer dumb luck and taking a beating. He's clever but he's not like- outsmarting people left and right. He's often kidnapped in the films. It's just so baffling how this fifth movie recontextualizes all these Indy movie tropes and builds something new and people still hate it? I don't know.
I wager you haven't seen many movies then. She's annoying and has a good arc, which is much more than tone of other annoying movie characters, past and present.
@@superpipi1330 by "good arc", you mean being a liar, then a cocky annoying brat, causing several avoidable deaths for the lols and then suddenly being all nice?
@@snbrinewehr3203I definitely don't mean oversimplifing what you see in the screen to make your argument make sense. As if the Indiana Jones franchise weren't fooñ of morally grey characters who have lied and killed a couple people. Chief among the, Indy himself, and lots of his friends.
@@superpipi1330 I am not saying that morally gray characters are the problem, I am saying that she randomly changing her mind without a proper sensible reason is the problem.
i knew from the beginning that the movie would have many plotholes and stuff, but in the end i still found it really entertaining although the writing really sucked also i felt really sorry for mads mikkelsen, who really tried to make the villain work and in my opinion really did his best with what he was given to
I like the movie, in spite of despising Helena Shaw character. She was depsicible and responsible for deaths of innocent people multiple times including Indy's collegues and almost Indy both in morrocco and on the boat when Voller got to them.
I will say, this movie, in theory could had been great with this story but the execution left much to be desire, like in the video says, the Helena arc in theory is good but in the execution is so unearned, and that applies to a lot (not all) of things in this movie, and it baffles me, since James Mangold last 2 movies (Logan and Ford v. Ferrari) prooved that he could had been a great choice, but yeah, it looks like studio got heavily involved, it genuinely breaks my heart.
@12:38-@12:58 I'd rewrite that scene as Indy discussing his son's death to Antonio Banderas -- his supposed good friend -- instead of Helena whom he barely knows, and Helena just overhears their conversation.
- 0:16 Yes, the ENTIRE Indiana Jones franchise has ridiculous scenes. It's part of the old pulp era, cliff hanger, desperate moments of how the hell can the hero get out of this scenarios. It's just for fun. Remember, Indiana Jones is supposed to be a comedy/ridiculous situation hero adventure. No more. No less. Only Raiders had most of the movie worthy of all time film-making quality. Raiders considered one of the greats of cinema. That bomb scene hanging is directly from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Look up the scene from that movie. Same set up, and instead of a bomber planes bomb, it's a canon ball fired from an artillery gun. - 1:03 Yep, you're right on that one. Not one of the officers getting into the staff car notices a body on the ground right outside the vehicle. Mangold should've just had him do this like in an dark alleyway. Side of the building where the officers would come out. Or even show Indy dragging body into an allyway, THEN the officers come out. Mangold effed up that one. - Ok, you're dumb with the motorcycle scene. If you watch Indy movies he has the luck of the gods. And if you watch many action movies, especially modern ones, they ALL have this. Pay attention to pulp type writing. Same with the anti-aircraft gun. These aren't gaffs. This is pulp fiction adventure type writing. All action movies have this. Jeez man. Do you think movies DON'T have coincidental moments? - Yes, the gun with the nazi on the train, I agree with you on that. Easily remedied, he pulls out the gun, the tunnel comes up, he has to duck quickly, then drops gun. Mangold again messes up this scene. - Yes again, I agree. Voller getting hit square in the face was stupid. Either show him with a massive scar in 1969. Again, Mangold messed up. BUT, I believe there was some rewrite on this that's why it's so out of place with showing Voller without a big scar. I thought they were going to do the time travel thing, loop time that Voller goes back and survives that hit. I believe they had some rewrites and this first 20 minute action adventure scenes were locked in. Since they cost so much money with the deep-fake on Ford. - The civilian killing is the writers saying, they NEED Voller because of his NASA space program genius. And are willing to overlook it and blame Indy. It shows the CIA are really terrible. Mangold jabbing the government? Not sure. But that's what they're saying. - Yep, the CIA capturing Indy is weak writing. Again, weakly (like the civilian killing writing) saying they need his info on the Dial, since Voller is promising the CIA more advance technology he can mine from this. They don't know he's going to betray them. It needed to be more fleshed out. Weak writing I agree. - No, the police were feed that info from the CIA to frame Indy. They want him to find the location of the Dial so a regular policeman could pick him up. - You don't call cabs back then. It's 1969. No Lyft or Uber. - Yes, getting on the plane, should have shown him getting out of the USA more stealthy. Bad writing. - The Helena boyfriend was meant to be a set up in case people somehow loved Helena's character, they were going to have the continued adventures of Indy with her. They're giving a backstory here. This is Kathleen Kennedy's doing. But one, Helena is NOT an attractive femme-fatale. No one is gonna' see this. And two, no one wants a female Indiana Jones. They only want the original Ford. So bad on Kennedy to have them write this backstory in. - Yes, VERY, TOO LONG chase scene in Morocco. Got boring. I agree. - No, going down the stairs is ridiculous but remember it's a pulp adventure movie. BUT, it's not ridiculous for the Tuk Tuk to keep going after that. They were all made of metal back then. Metal frame etc. They should've shown them crashing into like a laundry stall, lots of heavy clothing to brace them. But not a terrible scene. - It's not unusual for people to open up about big personal things to strangers, etc. It was his moment to let someone hear it. Not a bad scene. Best acted of the movie. - You have to stop the contrived thing in movies. ALL movies have this. - Yes, I agree with the diver but I think the guy choking I think they're saying got shot too underwater? I have to watch again. I thought one of Voller's men shot into the water. - Yep, Mangold blocking is what's the biggest problem in the movie. Spielberg has some of the best blocking of all time. Mangold's set ups aren't very clear storytelling in this flick anyway. - Right with the car again in Italy. - They're saying Indy and Helena knew the area better than Voller. That's not a bad set up. - You forgot the kid didn't know how to swim yet he held his breath that long. If you've never swam, that long in the water, that kid might've drowned on needed some mouth to mouth with water in his lungs if he got to shore. - Right, they should've switched Helena kidnapped instead of Indy. Like they need Helena to decipher more. - Yes, the kid knowing how to fly is not done well. They tried to make it like he's Shortround knowing how to drive. Alot easier to drive than fly,/takeoff especially in the rain. They tried to show it in the auction with him learning on a table top being coached by a drunk pilot at the bar. - The Bomber alot bigger target PLUS they said it was the dragon. So the Romans targeted that plane the most. - In the storyline, he's supposed to be 70 years old. Not 80. Just an FYI. Real life Ford is 80+. Indy here was born in 1899.
Same as me. Quintin Tarantino loved it and it was even influential on the Call of Duty developers as they used the Nuke Town concept for their game. So it did something right.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 You do know nuke towns were actual things the government built to test the effects of a nuclear weapon on an urban area. Crystal Skull didn't come up with them.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34well, the call of duty devs are smooth brains so it would make sense they wouldn’t realize nuke towns were things before a terrible movie from 2008….
You didn't even factor in that after hitting the pipe at 40mph with his head he feel at least 20 if not 50 or more feet (it's hard to see the slope) and there's no way he got immediate medical care
I have a theory now hear me out if you have seen Dial of Destiny... This line represents time, the back is 213 BC and the far right is 1969 A.D. It turns out that Archimedes had programmed the dial to take them to him all along, thus preventing its usefulness for going to any other era. Remember when they opened the tomb of archimedes? And then there was that watch? I think voller already died, in this turn of events would have looped them in to kill him again. This means Indiana Jones already was in 213 BC. History repeated itself in 213 BC, Archimedes came across that watch of Voller in 213 BC kept it until 1969 when it was recovered by Indiana Jones. Clocks will never have been a thing in a thousand years, and what if that tomb of Archimedes didn't have Archimedes in it. It was Voller's skeleton. But the romans or apprentices didn't want to give away Archimedes true burial place. I believe people who known Archimedes hid his body from grave robbers but before he died he made a tomb and hid the dial from the world inside that tomb and hid Vollers body with it. Somewhere in this point of time, Voller in 1944 found the Dial only for Indy to acquire it that same year on the train to Poland. Later in present 1969, Indy along with Helena Shaw find the tomb of Archimedes which was found in a cave and in those hands of a skeleton was the dial and a watch that Voller had until his death in 213 BC until it was taken by Archimedes and met Indy and at that time when Indy left Archimedes was left with two bodies and a airplane and a watch. So my guess is that he hid Voller's body and assembled the dial before his own death in 212 BC; And he himself was buried in a unmarked grave. Only for the present Voller failing to realize he made a critical mistake in Time Travel and accepting his fate only for it to loop back into 1969. So in other words, Voller became a part of history itself, He wanted to make history but he became History. I noticed it first by seeing the skull on the entombed body. It looked very familiar and then Voller popped up and then I saw he had the same facial structure as the skull. When Voller put on the watch while in the van I started to see where this was going. Archimedes has a completely different structure. The tomb was also designed by Archimedes (one can obviously tell by his fascination of water displacement). Voller was considered a savior for scaring off the Romans so it's not hard to believe he would get a proper burial for his "heroics" and since Archimedes found the (present day)dial next to him and the plane it isn't too far off to think Archimedes would bury half of the (BC) dial, not just to hide it, but also in honor of their savior. The frieze on the sarcophagus also depicted a Phoenix with propellers, which is the plane that Voller came in. So it may not be Archimedes tomb at all, but the tomb of "the man of the Iron Phoenix". Voller has been looking for the dial most of his life. So if this indeed is his tomb then he has had half of the dial for centuries in his own hands without even knowing.
Honestly, the most unrealistic part is Helena, a 100 lb woman, able to not only knock out Indy with one punch, but to keep him past out enough to drag him back to the plane and back to NY without him even waking up
Earlier on when Indy is inside the bomber and he's talking about "Archimedes didn't know about continental drift," he's punched by one of the Nazis named Klaber and he doesn't flinch, and yet, near the end of the movie, he's knocked out by his own goddaughter who's not as strong as Klaber. It makes no sense that Indy would be knocked out by Helena if he can take a punch from a Nazi about the same size as him; that is ridiculous.
Knockout punches are a movie trope. Dragging him back to the plane? They were surrounded by citizens and soldiers who respected and were interested in them both. It's not a far reach to assume they helped carry Indy.
When I first saw this movie I thought “eh at least it’s better than crystal skull” but after seeing Crystal skull again, Dial of Destiny is definitely the worst one.
@Julianjulesr1361 I’m pulling that thanos “perhaps I treated you to harshly” thing when I bought my copy of crystal skull (it was my first Indiana Jones movie in theaters and I blindly followed other opinions I really like crystal skull)
The thing that really threw me off was the part of the CIA not caring about the nazis killing a bunch of innocent US civilians . Really made it hard to take anything seriously after that
I was surprised to see you say the time travel ending makes sense. It makes the least sense of anything in the movie. What was Archimedes plan? They say something about him wanting help. What help? They're at war. What is a time traveller coming in through a hole in the sky going to do? And what was the deal with the whole "continental drift" thing? Indy says Voller got his math wrong. It doesn't seem that way, since Helena says the dial was a false deck that was always going to lead them back to Archimedes no matter what. If they got their math wrong shouldn't they have ended up at some other time period, in that case, rather than exactly where Archimedes intended? Which is it? Did they get their math wrong and that's why they end up in Ancient Greece, or did Archimedes rig the dial? And if it's the former, how is it the case that Archimedes built the dial to "get help"? Did he anticipate that two thousand years later some nazis would be bad at math? Also, continental drift is slow. Over the past two thousand years Greece has moved about the length of an Olympic swimming pool. I mean they never bother to explain how the dial works so maybe that's enough to be the difference between going to WW2 or the Battle of Syracuse, but it sure doesn't feel well thought out to me. This script is absolute gibberish. It's like they never bothered to figure this stuff out, and the result is a climax that feels empty because it has no internal logic. Terrible screenwriting.
Yeah I have the same doubt of how the dial works, did they ended up there because of a wrong calculation or because Archimedes wanted it that way no matter what, making the continental drift commentary pointless?
I've been bitten three times by Scolopendra (centipedes). They are on you, they will bite you. It's like their mandibles are automatically biting all the time whenever their antennae feel something warm. These two should be writhing on the floor in pain, not unscathed.
*Video talks about Dial of Destiny being devoid of logic.* Meanwhile, we have also seen the following in previous Indy movies: 1. Aliens 2. Vengeful angels and ghosts 3. Ripping hearts out of bodies with your bare hands 4. Brainwashing potion 5. Nuclear fridge 6. Piranha ants 7. Rapid aging
It's completely fine to use science fiction and fantasy elements in your story that follow the internal logic that the film establishes. Although I wouldn't classify a refrigerator as one of those things lol. Time travel existing is fine. That was never an issue I really brought up that much and if anything I said I enjoyed that section of the movie the most. The only things I critiqued were their explanation of the time travel mechanic being shoddy and they kind of created a paradox (as most time travel movies do). They also could have easily fixed the paradox by having Archimedes already be done with the Antikythera so that him seeing it finished and functional wouldn't influence him. But again, those weren't major issues as I mostly brushed them off in the video.
I'm convinced at this point that Lucasfilm is intentionally trying to make their old stuff look like masterpieces in comparison. It's the ONLY logical explanation for how bad Indy, Willow AND Star Wars have all been in the last 5 years.
14:13 I mean, that was a classic shot of Indy attacking someone too big for him - like the mechanic in 'Raiders' 'How did tutktuk survive' - and how did a lifeboat survive fall from the plane, sliding rocky terrain towards the cliff and could still be used on water (back in Indy2) ? Indy reparining the tutktuk gave it a step towards realism. 16:43 - again - stealing the car in 'Last Crusade' would have the same issue. 16:57 because Teddy heard the clues, that's why he's useful to them - and he did help them - that's how they know to look for the cave. Btw, extra ponits for the dialogue with Archimedes - he and Indy used ancient Greek, while Helena joined the conversation in New Greek (a totally different form of the language) hence Archimedes' baffled look in here (22:46) I have to say, I really enjoyed the movie.
"This movie suffered from the problem a lot of legacy sequels suffer from: simply doing what the previous films did without realizing WHY they did it."
Movie was drawn out and had its weak points for sure, but I think indy shoulda been able to use the dial to go back in time and save his son like he said. Overall i still enjoyed but i am a sucker for indiana jones loo
There's something about Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny that feels like every idea is overcooked from too many writers and too many rewrites. Remember that subplot in Crystal Skull where Indy was suspected of being a communist? Or that FBI dude in DoD who was walking on crutches? What was all that about? Both these movies feel like they're stitched together with compromises that never got to actually be developed properly, so what you're left with is this unsatisfying mess of "a little bit of everything" from each incarnation of the script to keep all of the producers happy.
I'm onna say it: this movie could have been amazing, and you wouldn't even have changed anything about the story. Just replace phoebe with short-round and that kid with marion, and it would've been a gold mine.. this chinese boy comes to class, answers all of indy's questions. He thinks a bit strange like he knows him somehow. Cut to the bar scene he's like: you look familiar, have I met you before? Shorty's like: dr. Jones it's me.. what short-round? Now short-round steals the dial of indy because he came in dept to voller, did not know what to do, so he painfully betrays his old friend. Because indy cares about him he goes after shorty, try and help him out. At the auction he bumps into marion who took a liking to the boy. They have a difficult scuffeling because the loss of their son and don't know how to handle it. In the end short-round helps them both back on their feet.. Just imagine how the audience would cheer if it was short-round going after the plane on the bike to save indy..
As much as I enjoyed the movie (much more then the Crystal Skull one), this one has some serious weird scenes that make no sense... Indy getting into the car in the beginning and getting the driver out was a really "wtf" considering there was Nazis all over the place. And then when he decides to change course, the officers on the back seat just scream? They usually carry side arms and if not, they know how to punch and choke someone from behind lol. Instead they just shout letting Indy do whatever he wants. And the scene where they show his face on national television, as a wanted man, goes nowhere. It's pointless. It has zero impact on the story. He can go to the airport, board a plane, go to some other country with zero police chasing him. Indy doesn't even care that he's showing his face everywhere, even after seeing that he's a wanted man. Yes back then everything was more relaxed, but still. They would be on alert at the airport for wanted people. They would have some cooperation with other countries police to know where Indy might be. They might not find him, but they would search for him. But again, the scene is pointless because nothing happens, no consequence on Indy or the story from him being wanted for murder.
I like how Sallah yells out at him in the Middle of a Crowded Airport and Screams-"Give Them Hell, Indiana Jones !!!", While he's a Wanted Fugitive and his Face is being Plastered all over the TV.
People seem to really romance the last 30 minutes of the Raiders. The Germans steal the ark and take Marion for the second or third time, while Indy hops a ride on the outside of a submarine that never goes below the surface for 100s of miles, is then captured with clearly an empty threat, and is cuffed to a light post, closing his eyes as ghosts do the work.
They turned the Antikythera mechanism into a time machine? That's just stupid. Not only that, but having a 1960s airplane crash in Ancient Greece and not have any repercussions after that is just bonkers. Archimedes just happens to be in the area, and... That's just many of dumb cliches in this movie. It's garbage Back to the Future. Doc Brown literally exploded.
as much as this movie sucked i am kind of against nitpicking the very atoms of some scenes, or jokes. If you were to watch good old indi movies with the same scrutiny, you'd end up making video about how old Indi is awful, although it'd be much shorter vid. It's one of those things Mauler also fails miserably. When he criticizes, he enters "scourched ground" mode. Nitpicking (and throrough criticizing) is good, but we should never forget to just let some jokes, or scenes, go free without too much wringing.
gotta be honest, I didn’t like it. 1. It was too long. 2. Helena is EXTREMELY unlikeable. 3. Indy is now a broken down drunk old man who basically has a death wish which just made everything depressing. 4. After a while, I just got bored. There’s only so many action sequences you can get into until you realize that you weren’t feeling any danger and you were just watching the somewhat, (in some scenes) questionable visuals. 6. Too much CGI. A few times the de-ageing seemed off plus why spend $300 million USD when you still have a 40 year old Harrison Ford STILL sound like 80 year old Harrison Ford?! You couldn’t hire the best impersonator money can buy??? In the tuk-tuk chase, you can clearly tell it’s CGI when Indy and Helena are bickering. You can see it’s CGI a few times when Indy is on the horse, especially on the two or three close-ups of Indy’s face upwards. You can easily see that it’s a CGI background, which takes us out of the immersion. 7. Teddy is a Great Value version of Short Round, but isn’t as likable or cute. He’s almost like a younger Helena, which is awful. (I could barely stand one!) 8. The best sequence is the prologue on the train, after in 1969, it quickly becomes such a slog. 9. What happens at the end with Indy and Helena annoyed me. (She spent the entire time being so ageist and annoying that for me, I was like, “Okay, we still got 15 minutes to go, I think I’m going to dose off a little.” Because at this point, I just didn’t care anymore and I just wanted to have it be over with! 9. Was Indy ever cleared??? 10. I’m sorry but Crystal Skull is better than this imo. I enjoyed it better. Looking back, Mutt and aliens don’t look as bad anymore. (They did him dirty btw.) 11. It only made $24 million USD only for Thursday preview and Friday debut. Against a $300 million budget, and only making $382 million worldwide, this is god awful news. It seems(like this movie), it’s a long and far journey to even BREAKING even! There’s no way it’s reaching the heights of $800 million USD plus! 12. Why was this necessary?! Everything goes basically back to depressing reality minus one thing by the end! I’d rather have just had Crustal Skull’s happy ending if we needed a semi recent Indy movie, just leave it at that! And 13. Why couldn’t they have brought Short Round back? He himself saw Indy as his own father figure. He could have become an archaeologist himself and reaches out to Indy, (who is happily still with Marion and who is now thriving and president of his university and who has become wealthy and semi famous after writing several books about his adventures that which would evolve into the young Indiana Jones Chronicles ) to help him on a mission and the movie goes with them instead of Helena. Plus Mutt and Indy are on good terms now, with Mutt being much maturer and wiser after all this time. Perhaps he joins too? SR and Indy can have a really touching moment somewhere in the movie too. I started thinking about it throughout the movie. Just on what could have been. God what a disappointment!
i kept asking the same question during the movie, why the enemies don't use their guns, there are at least 200 times that they can pull the trigger, also what hapened to the germany plane in 200 BC? also why time travel seems so easy you either go here or go there? so many planes travel around they should be able to time travel by accident, but no. Also why Helena can back to their original time, what are the theories of time travel? why the roman army can shot down a plane so easy while it is so hard for even an anti-air gun? this is so dump at all
Dissapointing end of this franchise. I had the impression, that i had seen every scene before in one of the other Indy movies. So many scenes to feature Indiana Jones, but not really nescessary to help the plot. Well, Ford would have been crazy to deny the money. But i noticed a good thing too: i liked Gimli's cameo appearance.
I didn't want to like this movie but, having not seen it, it's my fourth favourite Indiana Jones film because the women in it pisses so many people off by being badly written and unrealistically powerful, I.e. a normal action movie character.
When Voller got hit by that sign and didn't die I thought his survival would be explained by possessing the Spear of Longinus. I thought it was real and he was just keeping it away from Hitler. If that had been revealed I would've accepted it since we know the power of mystical artifacts, but it wasn't so I shrugged off the movie as just another mindless action adventure movie.
I agree with you, Indiana Jones 4 and 5 were awful and disappointing, the plot of those 2 movies didn’t make any sense, and felt silly, childish, forced, delusional, stupid, & ridiculous at times, both of those movies definitely deserve to forgotten, and the series definitely should have ended after The Last Crusade (Indiana Jones 3), and Star Wars should have ended after Revenge Of The Sith with 6 movies as a whole in the saga
Yes I noticed that cop on the horse just disappeared. And why didn’t the big guy henchman follow Jonesy into the crowd? Yes lots of other bad cutting here. However despite all that I did enjoy the film. Watched it teice
I appreciate the analysis of all the plot holes and devoidness of logic, it's entertaining and I had a few good laughs, but I still don't understand why people these days wants so much for an INDIANA FUCKING JONES movie (or any fictional movie at all) to be logical and grounded in common sense. Suspension of disbelief is what keeps these movies afloat, you have to turn off the brain and just enjoy it, could have been written better and acted better, but it's entertaining nonetheless, it's a better movie than Crystal Skull anyway, that's enough for me.
i want to thank this movie for making both my 7 year old daughter and my dog into hollywood-tier writers - they weren't inspired by the movie, the writing is just so bad that everyone in the world now can do it better probably
I'm sorry, but as an Indian I didn't enjoy the 3rd movie and I watched it a lot more critically than most. And I'm here to tell you so many problems that are mentioned in this video are in that movie too.
I don't know about anybody else, but the thing I want from an Inidana Jones film are the puzzles and the traps. There are NO PUZZLES OR TRAPS IN THIS FILM !! A complete waste of my time.
A big missed chance. Goddamn. Ths thing is actually that the movie its not bad by any mean. Obviously would be perfect by taking helena out. Having dynamics with the kid, making him more likable, Banderas if not the villain could be in it as the second sidekick that dies along with sallah on hid last adventure(surviving, duh), indy being a smart ass feeling young but taking his age seriously. The bad guys having more scenes with indy, building that tension for the final fist fight on the beach where they landed before soldiers and spears get to them (making a tense fight with stakes) Marion and freaking shia coming at the end to the hospital for indy being a family again and finally making indy accept his retirement, ,(a meaning, a redemption, an emotion!!!!) Is that so fucking hard? (That's what she said)
Im honestly shocked how bad the reception was for this movie, I had a great time with it and though there were a few questionable leaps in logic thats nothing new for Indy. Feels like complaining for complaining sake imo
He hits people with his elbow in their chin, old or not that the strongest bone in your arm against the weakest facial bone. An old man can definitely hurt a young dude with a hit like that. And his punches have a very wide swing, the force of that wide a punch will hurt a young man, 80 or not. This is a bunch of nitpicking crap. He got criticism in skull also and he was built as hell in that movie, maybe yeh biggest he’s ever been no question a 66 year old that big could take on a younger man. That being said by 80 you definitely start to lose a lot of muscle strength. But if you spent your life in fistfights you know where and how to hit people in a fight and that’s more dangerous than brute strength.
"The writers are delusional."
That about sums it up.
That's one hell of a punch Helena gave Indy. He was knocked out for 22 hours of flight time and customs all the way back to his New York apartment.
Not to mention that when he returned to New York, he apparently wasn't a wanted man for murder anymore...
Girlboss-punch!
The thing that really gets me is that it's not like you can't show indy running around, beating up nazis and doing all the things he used to do, you just need to show how he is aware his age is catching up on him.
Literally all you would need to do is have him find clever ways of getting away that aren't running and fighting and show him getting tired a little more often, it's that simple.
I still would not want to see that.
That would require a brain
The whole "Pipe to the head" scenario really baffles me. I was already taken out of the movie by the hanging scene and alltough I enjoyed the opening for the most part, I couldn't suspend my disbelief on this. It would've also been so easy to avoid:
The goal of the writers is that Indy hands Voller the artefact, but Voller can't look into the bag while he has the heroes at point blank, because if he did, he would've noticed that Indy tried to trick him. So the metal pipe comes in to knock him of the train. Alright, so I think you could pretty much keep everything from this scene, even the pipe saving the day. But the moment Indy's friend warns him about the pipe, let Voller see it too, panic and jump off the train before the pipe hits him. Same outcome, same scenario, same assets, but his survival would've been far more believable.
Disney really likes that “somehow (main villain) returned” approach…
I miss when new sequels to old franchises were a big deal instead of an expectation
This.
@@superpipi1330"Star Wars" prequels were also big deal. They were once.
What are you talking about? John Wick 4 and Top Gun Maverick were sequels to franchises that had been around for a while, and they were a big deal.
@@Stew91 not that big but true.
There was never such a time. Sometimes you get lucky with sequels, but mostly the later films are lifeless hulks.
I think this movie suffered from the problem a lot of legacy sequels suffer from: simply doing what the previous films did without realizing WHY they did it.
Like with Voller keeping Indy alive. Obviously, Belloq and Donovan also kept Indy alive during the climax, so we have to do that again. But why did they keep him alive? Belloq was an arrogant old rival of Indy's who wanted Indy to see him finally surpass him and Donovan used Indy as a guinea pig to get to the grail. I guess you could argue for Voller doing the same thing as Belloq, but they share so little screentime and they've clearly only ever interacted ONCE in the past that it makes no sense. Indy has been a nuisance for him the entire time. Taking a prisoner who has shown himself to be an escape artist on a PLANE GOING BACK IN TIME is so dumb and clearly just them forcing Indy into the climax.
good point here.
Indeed but that is what you get when you can't write an actual story....nothing makes sense, it just happens...
This dude saw a box open and melt the faces of Nazis but can't believe that the Antikythera can predict fissures in time? OK, makes sense.
The movie in which an octogenarian gets shot and is left bleeding out for what feels like an hour, during which he travels back in time, jumps off a plane, gets knocked out and travels back to the present.
And then Indiana Jones removes his face and reveals that he's actually Arya Stark ALL THIS TIME!,!!
22:15 its bs that indie can take a punch from a 7 foot tall German muscle man and remain conscious, while one punch from his 120 pound god daughter and hes out like a light
Well, he was bleeding out at that point also.
Your analysis is thorough. Really surprisingly thorough. I thought this was going to be a hate fest, but you were revealing *all* the problems in this movie, and not just the obvious ones. You get so much right.
Well done.
P.S. The Adventures of Tintin was the Indiana Jones movie we should've got.
Agreed.
This movie made Crystal Skull look like a masterpiece and I say this as someone who profoundly detests everything about Crystal Skull 😭
Boyd Holbrook, was criminally underused in this movie and had a lot of cringeworthy moments where his character is silent just because the script says so and you can literally see he's dying inside. I mean he deserved more looking at his stellar performance in Logan 😒
Supercuts I still watch your Game of Thrones videos when I eat my dinner. Thanks.
Say what you want about Crystal Skull, but it's still an entertaining popcorn flick. Dial of Destiny was a slog to sit through.
I agree. I see a common sentiment that Dial of Destiny is better than Crystal Skull, but honestly, they are both pretty stupid. The only difference is that I think Spielberg brings a much more joyous and whimsical sense of adventure to his films, while James Mangold made his rendition more serious.
Totally agree. There's so many elements I hate about Crystal Skull, but when it's good, it's great! And the good outweighs the bad. At least Crystal Skull still respected the character and gave him a happy ending.
The first half of Crystal Skull is...okay. The second half is pathetic.
@@derkeheath5172 Haha, totally understand that. I have some fan edits on my page of Indy 4. You should check them out to see if it helps make it better for you. My fan edit is the only version I watch of it now.
I feel so much the opposite. I genuinely don't get half the criticisms for dial of destiny, much less any of this videos nitpicks. Did no one watch the original trilogy? Indy is constantly getting along by sheer dumb luck and taking a beating. He's clever but he's not like- outsmarting people left and right. He's often kidnapped in the films. It's just so baffling how this fifth movie recontextualizes all these Indy movie tropes and builds something new and people still hate it? I don't know.
Indiana Jones ended with The Last Crusade
The Crystal Skull.
The OP was right. I mean it literally says "LAST Crusade".
@@TheManInBlueFlames Nice joke
Helena Shaw is one of the most annoying characters I've ever witnessed in a movie.
I wager you haven't seen many movies then.
She's annoying and has a good arc, which is much more than tone of other annoying movie characters, past and present.
@@superpipi1330 by "good arc", you mean being a liar, then a cocky annoying brat, causing several avoidable deaths for the lols and then suddenly being all nice?
@@snbrinewehr3203I definitely don't mean oversimplifing what you see in the screen to make your argument make sense.
As if the Indiana Jones franchise weren't fooñ of morally grey characters who have lied and killed a couple people. Chief among the, Indy himself, and lots of his friends.
That doesn't stop them from having arcs and changing in the movies.
@@superpipi1330 I am not saying that morally gray characters are the problem, I am saying that she randomly changing her mind without a proper sensible reason is the problem.
How hard did Helena punch Indie in the face in order to knock him out for several days?? Omg, lol.
i knew from the beginning that the movie would have many plotholes and stuff, but in the end i still found it really entertaining although the writing really sucked
also i felt really sorry for mads mikkelsen, who really tried to make the villain work and in my opinion really did his best with what he was given to
It had its big problems, but overal it was still a worthwhile experience, in my opinion.
I like the movie, in spite of despising Helena Shaw character. She was depsicible and responsible for deaths of innocent people multiple times including Indy's collegues and almost Indy both in morrocco and on the boat when Voller got to them.
“Thank you for taking a break from starfield to watch this video” felt personal😂
It was devoid of so many things: humor, excitement, heart, a likeable female lead...
If this was just a video of the bits of the movie being stupid, it'd just be the whole film
I will say, this movie, in theory could had been great with this story but the execution left much to be desire, like in the video says, the Helena arc in theory is good but in the execution is so unearned, and that applies to a lot (not all) of things in this movie, and it baffles me, since James Mangold last 2 movies (Logan and Ford v. Ferrari) prooved that he could had been a great choice, but yeah, it looks like studio got heavily involved, it genuinely breaks my heart.
@12:38-@12:58 I'd rewrite that scene as Indy discussing his son's death to Antonio Banderas -- his supposed good friend -- instead of Helena whom he barely knows, and Helena just overhears their conversation.
*When all the modern material left in 213 BC, they didn't explained how the future didn't change*
I didn’t even notice how voller had a scar until this video
- 0:16 Yes, the ENTIRE Indiana Jones franchise has ridiculous scenes. It's part of the old pulp era, cliff hanger, desperate moments of how the hell can the hero get out of this scenarios. It's just for fun. Remember, Indiana Jones is supposed to be a comedy/ridiculous situation hero adventure. No more. No less. Only Raiders had most of the movie worthy of all time film-making quality. Raiders considered one of the greats of cinema. That bomb scene hanging is directly from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Look up the scene from that movie. Same set up, and instead of a bomber planes bomb, it's a canon ball fired from an artillery gun.
- 1:03 Yep, you're right on that one. Not one of the officers getting into the staff car notices a body on the ground right outside the vehicle. Mangold should've just had him do this like in an dark alleyway. Side of the building where the officers would come out. Or even show Indy dragging body into an allyway, THEN the officers come out. Mangold effed up that one.
- Ok, you're dumb with the motorcycle scene. If you watch Indy movies he has the luck of the gods. And if you watch many action movies, especially modern ones, they ALL have this. Pay attention to pulp type writing. Same with the anti-aircraft gun. These aren't gaffs. This is pulp fiction adventure type writing. All action movies have this. Jeez man. Do you think movies DON'T have coincidental moments?
- Yes, the gun with the nazi on the train, I agree with you on that. Easily remedied, he pulls out the gun, the tunnel comes up, he has to duck quickly, then drops gun. Mangold again messes up this scene.
- Yes again, I agree. Voller getting hit square in the face was stupid. Either show him with a massive scar in 1969. Again, Mangold messed up. BUT, I believe there was some rewrite on this that's why it's so out of place with showing Voller without a big scar. I thought they were going to do the time travel thing, loop time that Voller goes back and survives that hit. I believe they had some rewrites and this first 20 minute action adventure scenes were locked in. Since they cost so much money with the deep-fake on Ford.
- The civilian killing is the writers saying, they NEED Voller because of his NASA space program genius. And are willing to overlook it and blame Indy. It shows the CIA are really terrible. Mangold jabbing the government? Not sure. But that's what they're saying.
- Yep, the CIA capturing Indy is weak writing. Again, weakly (like the civilian killing writing) saying they need his info on the Dial, since Voller is promising the CIA more advance technology he can mine from this. They don't know he's going to betray them. It needed to be more fleshed out. Weak writing I agree.
- No, the police were feed that info from the CIA to frame Indy. They want him to find the location of the Dial so a regular policeman could pick him up.
- You don't call cabs back then. It's 1969. No Lyft or Uber.
- Yes, getting on the plane, should have shown him getting out of the USA more stealthy. Bad writing.
- The Helena boyfriend was meant to be a set up in case people somehow loved Helena's character, they were going to have the continued adventures of Indy with her. They're giving a backstory here. This is Kathleen Kennedy's doing. But one, Helena is NOT an attractive femme-fatale. No one is gonna' see this. And two, no one wants a female Indiana Jones. They only want the original Ford. So bad on Kennedy to have them write this backstory in.
- Yes, VERY, TOO LONG chase scene in Morocco. Got boring. I agree.
- No, going down the stairs is ridiculous but remember it's a pulp adventure movie. BUT, it's not ridiculous for the Tuk Tuk to keep going after that. They were all made of metal back then. Metal frame etc. They should've shown them crashing into like a laundry stall, lots of heavy clothing to brace them. But not a terrible scene.
- It's not unusual for people to open up about big personal things to strangers, etc. It was his moment to let someone hear it. Not a bad scene. Best acted of the movie.
- You have to stop the contrived thing in movies. ALL movies have this.
- Yes, I agree with the diver but I think the guy choking I think they're saying got shot too underwater? I have to watch again. I thought one of Voller's men shot into the water.
- Yep, Mangold blocking is what's the biggest problem in the movie. Spielberg has some of the best blocking of all time. Mangold's set ups aren't very clear storytelling in this flick anyway.
- Right with the car again in Italy.
- They're saying Indy and Helena knew the area better than Voller. That's not a bad set up.
- You forgot the kid didn't know how to swim yet he held his breath that long. If you've never swam, that long in the water, that kid might've drowned on needed some mouth to mouth with water in his lungs if he got to shore.
- Right, they should've switched Helena kidnapped instead of Indy. Like they need Helena to decipher more.
- Yes, the kid knowing how to fly is not done well. They tried to make it like he's Shortround knowing how to drive. Alot easier to drive than fly,/takeoff especially in the rain. They tried to show it in the auction with him learning on a table top being coached by a drunk pilot at the bar.
- The Bomber alot bigger target PLUS they said it was the dragon. So the Romans targeted that plane the most.
- In the storyline, he's supposed to be 70 years old. Not 80. Just an FYI. Real life Ford is 80+. Indy here was born in 1899.
I will never understand the hate KotCS gets. I enjoyed it.
Same as me. Quintin Tarantino loved it and it was even influential on the Call of Duty developers as they used the Nuke Town concept for their game.
So it did something right.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 You do know nuke towns were actual things the government built to test the effects of a nuclear weapon on an urban area.
Crystal Skull didn't come up with them.
@@robrick9361 Yes but Call of Duty devs said that they were inspired to feature nuke towns in their game after watching Crystal Skull.
I can think of 3 main reasons 1. nuke the fridge, 2. Cartoon monkey/ Mutt is Tarzan 3. its Aliens.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34well, the call of duty devs are smooth brains so it would make sense they wouldn’t realize nuke towns were things before a terrible movie from 2008….
You didn't even factor in that after hitting the pipe at 40mph with his head he feel at least 20 if not 50 or more feet (it's hard to see the slope) and there's no way he got immediate medical care
Helena is the most insufferable character ever put to film.
I have a theory now hear me out if you have seen Dial of Destiny... This line represents time, the back is 213 BC and the far right is 1969 A.D. It turns out that Archimedes had programmed the dial to take them to him all along, thus preventing its usefulness for going to any other era. Remember when they opened the tomb of archimedes? And then there was that watch? I think voller already died, in this turn of events would have looped them in to kill him again. This means Indiana Jones already was in 213 BC. History repeated itself in 213 BC, Archimedes came across that watch of Voller in 213 BC kept it until 1969 when it was recovered by Indiana Jones. Clocks will never have been a thing in a thousand years, and what if that tomb of Archimedes didn't have Archimedes in it. It was Voller's skeleton. But the romans or apprentices didn't want to give away Archimedes true burial place. I believe people who known Archimedes hid his body from grave robbers but before he died he made a tomb and hid the dial from the world inside that tomb and hid Vollers body with it. Somewhere in this point of time, Voller in 1944 found the Dial only for Indy to acquire it that same year on the train to Poland. Later in present 1969, Indy along with Helena Shaw find the tomb of Archimedes which was found in a cave and in those hands of a skeleton was the dial and a watch that Voller had until his death in 213 BC until it was taken by Archimedes and met Indy and at that time when Indy left Archimedes was left with two bodies and a airplane and a watch. So my guess is that he hid Voller's body and assembled the dial before his own death in 212 BC; And he himself was buried in a unmarked grave. Only for the present Voller failing to realize he made a critical mistake in Time Travel and accepting his fate only for it to loop back into 1969. So in other words, Voller became a part of history itself, He wanted to make history but he became History. I noticed it first by seeing the skull on the entombed body. It looked very familiar and then Voller popped up and then I saw he had the same facial structure as the skull. When Voller put on the watch while in the van I started to see where this was going. Archimedes has a completely different structure. The tomb was also designed by Archimedes (one can obviously tell by his fascination of water displacement). Voller was considered a savior for scaring off the Romans so it's not hard to believe he would get a proper burial for his "heroics" and since Archimedes found the (present day)dial next to him and the plane it isn't too far off to think Archimedes would bury half of the (BC) dial, not just to hide it, but also in honor of their savior. The frieze on the sarcophagus also depicted a Phoenix with propellers, which is the plane that Voller came in. So it may not be Archimedes tomb at all, but the tomb of "the man of the Iron Phoenix". Voller has been looking for the dial most of his life. So if this indeed is his tomb then he has had half of the dial for centuries in his own hands without even knowing.
Honestly, the most unrealistic part is Helena, a 100 lb woman, able to not only knock out Indy with one punch, but to keep him past out enough to drag him back to the plane and back to NY without him even waking up
Especially considering hes taken punches from 7 foot tall nazi strongmen and still got back up
Earlier on when Indy is inside the bomber and he's talking about "Archimedes didn't know about continental drift," he's punched by one of the Nazis named Klaber and he doesn't flinch, and yet, near the end of the movie, he's knocked out by his own goddaughter who's not as strong as Klaber. It makes no sense that Indy would be knocked out by Helena if he can take a punch from a Nazi about the same size as him; that is ridiculous.
Knockout punches are a movie trope. Dragging him back to the plane? They were surrounded by citizens and soldiers who respected and were interested in them both. It's not a far reach to assume they helped carry Indy.
@@raunmhands it’s a movie trope that doesn’t work in this context
women doing stuff isnt the problem. Never was
When I first saw this movie I thought “eh at least it’s better than crystal skull” but after seeing Crystal skull again, Dial of Destiny is definitely the worst one.
Suddenly that Nuke The Fridge Scene doesn't seem so bad.
What a Humiliating Ending to the Indiana Jones Saga.
It's Depressing.
It’s great you’re here on TH-cam, i needed something to do while Starfield loads. So many loading screens , you’ve made it easier,
So many loading screens for such an empty universe.
I knew this movie would have plot holes, what surprised me is this film works on anime show logic lolo
You’d be Surprised by how effective a Proper right cross can be! Especially, with him being adept at doing it, no matter the age or gender.
This movie is a huge “Fuck You” to Indiana Jones storytelling
this movie is still worse then crystal skull@Julianjulesr1361
Not by a long shot.
@Julianjulesr1361 Krystal skull was better to watch than dial of shit all three originals are great
@Julianjulesr1361 I’m pulling that thanos “perhaps I treated you to harshly” thing when I bought my copy of crystal skull (it was my first Indiana Jones movie in theaters and I blindly followed other opinions I really like crystal skull)
@@superpipi1330yes it was
Solid.
Would you do Ahsoka?
Excellent as always. I have to wonder how much of a time crunch this vid was under though, given the unusual number of typos and mispronunciations.
👀
The thing that really threw me off was the part of the CIA not caring about the nazis killing a bunch of innocent US civilians . Really made it hard to take anything seriously after that
Honestly, it doesn't sound that far off what the CIA were doing in the 50s/60s/70s
You should read about CIA and "Operation Northwoods".
It's written as a videogame.
Only a reboot has a chance making this series comeback but who am I kidding...
I was surprised to see you say the time travel ending makes sense. It makes the least sense of anything in the movie.
What was Archimedes plan? They say something about him wanting help. What help? They're at war. What is a time traveller coming in through a hole in the sky going to do?
And what was the deal with the whole "continental drift" thing? Indy says Voller got his math wrong. It doesn't seem that way, since Helena says the dial was a false deck that was always going to lead them back to Archimedes no matter what. If they got their math wrong shouldn't they have ended up at some other time period, in that case, rather than exactly where Archimedes intended? Which is it? Did they get their math wrong and that's why they end up in Ancient Greece, or did Archimedes rig the dial? And if it's the former, how is it the case that Archimedes built the dial to "get help"? Did he anticipate that two thousand years later some nazis would be bad at math? Also, continental drift is slow. Over the past two thousand years Greece has moved about the length of an Olympic swimming pool. I mean they never bother to explain how the dial works so maybe that's enough to be the difference between going to WW2 or the Battle of Syracuse, but it sure doesn't feel well thought out to me.
This script is absolute gibberish. It's like they never bothered to figure this stuff out, and the result is a climax that feels empty because it has no internal logic. Terrible screenwriting.
Yeah I have the same doubt of how the dial works, did they ended up there because of a wrong calculation or because Archimedes wanted it that way no matter what, making the continental drift commentary pointless?
The whole thing is depressing
Could have been a fun ending to a awesome franchise but once again they dropped the ball
Thanks Hollywood 😐
Yes, Thank You Hollywood, For Destroying Indiana Jones.
May He Rest In Peace.
finished a quest in starfield and paused to grab a snack and watch a video, way to call me out
Dr. Henry Jones: You call this archaeology?
Me: You call this an Indiana Jones movie?
Disney sure has made certain you have a very busy year, Dude...
I've been bitten three times by Scolopendra (centipedes). They are on you, they will bite you. It's like their mandibles are automatically biting all the time whenever their antennae feel something warm. These two should be writhing on the floor in pain, not unscathed.
The only thing Dial of Destiny made me want to do? Is go home and watch the original films in the franchise instead. Lol
I turned down the offer to go see this film
I already what knew was up
As a person who never watched any other Indiana Jones movie other than crystal skull I enjoyed that movie in it's days
Perfect timing to enjoy for my lunch today. Nice.
*Video talks about Dial of Destiny being devoid of logic.*
Meanwhile, we have also seen the following in previous Indy movies:
1. Aliens
2. Vengeful angels and ghosts
3. Ripping hearts out of bodies with your bare hands
4. Brainwashing potion
5. Nuclear fridge
6. Piranha ants
7. Rapid aging
It's completely fine to use science fiction and fantasy elements in your story that follow the internal logic that the film establishes. Although I wouldn't classify a refrigerator as one of those things lol. Time travel existing is fine. That was never an issue I really brought up that much and if anything I said I enjoyed that section of the movie the most. The only things I critiqued were their explanation of the time travel mechanic being shoddy and they kind of created a paradox (as most time travel movies do). They also could have easily fixed the paradox by having Archimedes already be done with the Antikythera so that him seeing it finished and functional wouldn't influence him. But again, those weren't major issues as I mostly brushed them off in the video.
forgive him, his fuking zoomer with bimbo iq
If you ascended that quickly at that depth while diving, Nazis would be the least of your problems.
I'm convinced at this point that Lucasfilm is intentionally trying to make their old stuff look like masterpieces in comparison. It's the ONLY logical explanation for how bad Indy, Willow AND Star Wars have all been in the last 5 years.
Plot armour in effect.
I didnt like Helena, and why the eff would they just waste Antonio Banderas like that?!
Joke's on you .... I'm listening to this WHILE playing Starfield
It was heartbreaking that this is the last chance I'll have in my life to see an Indy movie and this is the crap they went with.
14:13 I mean, that was a classic shot of Indy attacking someone too big for him - like the mechanic in 'Raiders'
'How did tutktuk survive' - and how did a lifeboat survive fall from the plane, sliding rocky terrain towards the cliff and could still be used on water (back in Indy2) ? Indy reparining the tutktuk gave it a step towards realism.
16:43 - again - stealing the car in 'Last Crusade' would have the same issue.
16:57 because Teddy heard the clues, that's why he's useful to them - and he did help them - that's how they know to look for the cave.
Btw, extra ponits for the dialogue with Archimedes - he and Indy used ancient Greek, while Helena joined the conversation in New Greek (a totally different form of the language) hence Archimedes' baffled look in here (22:46)
I have to say, I really enjoyed the movie.
"This movie suffered from the problem a lot of legacy sequels suffer from: simply doing what the previous films did without realizing WHY they did it."
Movie was drawn out and had its weak points for sure, but I think indy shoulda been able to use the dial to go back in time and save his son like he said. Overall i still enjoyed but i am a sucker for indiana jones loo
I think this movie was made only to erase the kingdom of the crystal skull
There's something about Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny that feels like every idea is overcooked from too many writers and too many rewrites. Remember that subplot in Crystal Skull where Indy was suspected of being a communist? Or that FBI dude in DoD who was walking on crutches? What was all that about? Both these movies feel like they're stitched together with compromises that never got to actually be developed properly, so what you're left with is this unsatisfying mess of "a little bit of everything" from each incarnation of the script to keep all of the producers happy.
I'm onna say it: this movie could have been amazing, and you wouldn't even have changed anything about the story. Just replace phoebe with short-round and that kid with marion, and it would've been a gold mine..
this chinese boy comes to class, answers all of indy's questions. He thinks a bit strange like he knows him somehow. Cut to the bar scene he's like: you look familiar, have I met you before? Shorty's like: dr. Jones it's me.. what short-round?
Now short-round steals the dial of indy because he came in dept to voller, did not know what to do, so he painfully betrays his old friend.
Because indy cares about him he goes after shorty, try and help him out. At the auction he bumps into marion who took a liking to the boy. They have a difficult scuffeling because the loss of their son and don't know how to handle it. In the end short-round helps them both back on their feet..
Just imagine how the audience would cheer if it was short-round going after the plane on the bike to save indy..
I haven't watched this movie but the convenient escapes etc make me want the time travel aspect to just be old indy covering young indys ass.
A. They all die B. They survive.... who in their right mind thinks "ah yes, halfway through the movie, let's kill Indiana Jones!
Why yes, I speak a dead language perfectly, tyvm
As much as I enjoyed the movie (much more then the Crystal Skull one), this one has some serious weird scenes that make no sense...
Indy getting into the car in the beginning and getting the driver out was a really "wtf" considering there was Nazis all over the place. And then when he decides to change course, the officers on the back seat just scream? They usually carry side arms and if not, they know how to punch and choke someone from behind lol. Instead they just shout letting Indy do whatever he wants.
And the scene where they show his face on national television, as a wanted man, goes nowhere. It's pointless. It has zero impact on the story. He can go to the airport, board a plane, go to some other country with zero police chasing him. Indy doesn't even care that he's showing his face everywhere, even after seeing that he's a wanted man. Yes back then everything was more relaxed, but still. They would be on alert at the airport for wanted people. They would have some cooperation with other countries police to know where Indy might be. They might not find him, but they would search for him. But again, the scene is pointless because nothing happens, no consequence on Indy or the story from him being wanted for murder.
I like how Sallah yells out at him in the Middle of a Crowded Airport and Screams-"Give Them Hell, Indiana Jones !!!", While he's a Wanted Fugitive and his Face is being Plastered all over the TV.
People seem to really romance the last 30 minutes of the Raiders.
The Germans steal the ark and take Marion for the second or third time, while Indy hops a ride on the outside of a submarine that never goes below the surface for 100s of miles, is then captured with clearly an empty threat, and is cuffed to a light post, closing his eyes as ghosts do the work.
They turned the Antikythera mechanism into a time machine? That's just stupid. Not only that, but having a 1960s airplane crash in Ancient Greece and not have any repercussions after that is just bonkers. Archimedes just happens to be in the area, and... That's just many of dumb cliches in this movie. It's garbage Back to the Future. Doc Brown literally exploded.
Hey I love the Tintin movie!
as much as this movie sucked i am kind of against nitpicking the very atoms of some scenes, or jokes. If you were to watch good old indi movies with the same scrutiny, you'd end up making video about how old Indi is awful, although it'd be much shorter vid.
It's one of those things Mauler also fails miserably. When he criticizes, he enters "scourched ground" mode.
Nitpicking (and throrough criticizing) is good, but we should never forget to just let some jokes, or scenes, go free without too much wringing.
Just made my own video essay !
No one is surprised that two young fit men can't catch a 80 year old man when grow adults can't catch an 8 year old girl. (Leia in Obi Wan season 1)
Haha a break from Starflied i would rather watch the paint dry then spend a minute more in that game. Was lucky for a refund.
After watching this video I actually realise how bad this movie is
In Temple Of Doom, "fortune and glory". Indian jones is a tomb raiding thief like all the others. Movie was fine.
gotta be honest, I didn’t like it. 1. It was too long. 2. Helena is EXTREMELY unlikeable. 3. Indy is now a broken down drunk old man who basically has a death wish which just made everything depressing. 4. After a while, I just got bored. There’s only so many action sequences you can get into until you realize that you weren’t feeling any danger and you were just watching the somewhat, (in some scenes) questionable visuals. 6. Too much CGI. A few times the de-ageing seemed off plus why spend $300 million USD when you still have a 40 year old Harrison Ford STILL sound like 80 year old Harrison Ford?! You couldn’t hire the best impersonator money can buy??? In the tuk-tuk chase, you can clearly tell it’s CGI when Indy and Helena are bickering. You can see it’s CGI a few times when Indy is on the horse, especially on the two or three close-ups of Indy’s face upwards. You can easily see that it’s a CGI background, which takes us out of the immersion. 7. Teddy is a Great Value version of Short Round, but isn’t as likable or cute. He’s almost like a younger Helena, which is awful. (I could barely stand one!) 8. The best sequence is the prologue on the train, after in 1969, it quickly becomes such a slog. 9. What happens at the end with Indy and Helena annoyed me. (She spent the entire time being so ageist and annoying that for me, I was like, “Okay, we still got 15 minutes to go, I think I’m going to dose off a little.” Because at this point, I just didn’t care anymore and I just wanted to have it be over with! 9. Was Indy ever cleared??? 10. I’m sorry but Crystal Skull is better than this imo. I enjoyed it better. Looking back, Mutt and aliens don’t look as bad anymore. (They did him dirty btw.) 11. It only made $24 million USD only for Thursday preview and Friday debut. Against a $300 million budget, and only making $382 million worldwide, this is god awful news. It seems(like this movie), it’s a long and far journey to even BREAKING even! There’s no way it’s reaching the heights of $800 million USD plus! 12. Why was this necessary?! Everything goes basically back to depressing reality minus one thing by the end! I’d rather have just had Crustal Skull’s happy ending if we needed a semi recent Indy movie, just leave it at that! And 13. Why couldn’t they have brought Short Round back? He himself saw Indy as his own father figure. He could have become an archaeologist himself and reaches out to Indy, (who is happily still with Marion and who is now thriving and president of his university and who has become wealthy and semi famous after writing several books about his adventures that which would evolve into the young Indiana Jones Chronicles ) to help him on a mission and the movie goes with them instead of Helena. Plus Mutt and Indy are on good terms now, with Mutt being much maturer and wiser after all this time. Perhaps he joins too? SR and Indy can have a really touching moment somewhere in the movie too. I started thinking about it throughout the movie. Just on what could have been. God what a disappointment!
Why would they fly the plane so close to the Roman navy in the first place?!😂
i kept asking the same question during the movie, why the enemies don't use their guns, there are at least 200 times that they can pull the trigger, also what hapened to the germany plane in 200 BC? also why time travel seems so easy you either go here or go there? so many planes travel around they should be able to time travel by accident, but no. Also why Helena can back to their original time, what are the theories of time travel? why the roman army can shot down a plane so easy while it is so hard for even an anti-air gun? this is so dump at all
Dissapointing end of this franchise. I had the impression, that i had seen every scene before in one of the other Indy movies. So many scenes to feature Indiana Jones, but not really nescessary to help the plot. Well, Ford would have been crazy to deny the money. But i noticed a good thing too: i liked Gimli's cameo appearance.
I didn't want to like this movie but, having not seen it, it's my fourth favourite Indiana Jones film because the women in it pisses so many people off by being badly written and unrealistically powerful, I.e. a normal action movie character.
When Voller got hit by that sign and didn't die I thought his survival would be explained by possessing the Spear of Longinus. I thought it was real and he was just keeping it away from Hitler. If that had been revealed I would've accepted it since we know the power of mystical artifacts, but it wasn't so I shrugged off the movie as just another mindless action adventure movie.
Is anybody else a fan of a TH-cam channel called Pitch Meetings ? They have one for this film !
I agree with you, Indiana Jones 4 and 5 were awful and disappointing, the plot of those 2 movies didn’t make any sense, and felt silly, childish, forced, delusional, stupid, & ridiculous at times, both of those movies definitely deserve to forgotten, and the series definitely should have ended after The Last Crusade (Indiana Jones 3), and Star Wars should have ended after Revenge Of The Sith with 6 movies as a whole in the saga
Yes I noticed that cop on the horse just disappeared. And why didn’t the big guy henchman follow Jonesy into the crowd? Yes lots of other bad cutting here. However despite all that I did enjoy the film. Watched it teice
I appreciate the analysis of all the plot holes and devoidness of logic, it's entertaining and I had a few good laughs, but I still don't understand why people these days wants so much for an INDIANA FUCKING JONES movie (or any fictional movie at all) to be logical and grounded in common sense.
Suspension of disbelief is what keeps these movies afloat, you have to turn off the brain and just enjoy it, could have been written better and acted better, but it's entertaining nonetheless, it's a better movie than Crystal Skull anyway, that's enough for me.
i want to thank this movie for making both my 7 year old daughter and my dog into hollywood-tier writers - they weren't inspired by the movie, the writing is just so bad that everyone in the world now can do it better probably
Was literally laughibg my ass off the entire movie! Ridiculous
I'm sorry, but as an Indian I didn't enjoy the 3rd movie and I watched it a lot more critically than most. And I'm here to tell you so many problems that are mentioned in this video are in that movie too.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on that film if you don't mind?
Why is as an Indian relevant?
@@spencerreid2086 I'll write my thoughts in a blog and post it here.
The comments section is not enough.
I don't know about anybody else, but the thing I want from an Inidana Jones film are the puzzles and the traps. There are NO PUZZLES OR TRAPS IN THIS FILM !! A complete waste of my time.
A big missed chance. Goddamn.
Ths thing is actually that the movie its not bad by any mean. Obviously would be perfect by taking helena out. Having dynamics with the kid, making him more likable, Banderas if not the villain could be in it as the second sidekick that dies along with sallah on hid last adventure(surviving, duh), indy being a smart ass feeling young but taking his age seriously. The bad guys having more scenes with indy, building that tension for the final fist fight on the beach where they landed before soldiers and spears get to them (making a tense fight with stakes) Marion and freaking shia coming at the end to the hospital for indy being a family again and finally making indy accept his retirement, ,(a meaning, a redemption, an emotion!!!!)
Is that so fucking hard? (That's what she said)
Crystal skull was terrible but at least it was entertaining. Dial of BS is just terrible.
Im honestly shocked how bad the reception was for this movie, I had a great time with it and though there were a few questionable leaps in logic thats nothing new for Indy. Feels like complaining for complaining sake imo
Amazing. Everything word of what Supercuts Delight said in this video... was wrong.
Are we sure that A.I. isn't already writing and directing movies?
Delightful
It's funny that this movie feels so much like the Adventures of Tintin because one of the soundtracks is pretty much completely copied from that film
He hits people with his elbow in their chin, old or not that the strongest bone in your arm against the weakest facial bone. An old man can definitely hurt a young dude with a hit like that. And his punches have a very wide swing, the force of that wide a punch will hurt a young man, 80 or not. This is a bunch of nitpicking crap. He got criticism in skull also and he was built as hell in that movie, maybe yeh biggest he’s ever been no question a 66 year old that big could take on a younger man. That being said by 80 you definitely start to lose a lot of muscle strength. But if you spent your life in fistfights you know where and how to hit people in a fight and that’s more dangerous than brute strength.