Gypsies were originated in northern part of india. They brought indian legacy to all the way to europa. Flamenco is quite similar to indian dance and music.
Ofcourse we should. It is disrespectful if ppl dont give due credit to whefe it originated and it came from romanis of india which has roots from kathak and banjara dance forms
I have been to Cadiz and traveled throughout Spain but it was Cadiz especially where I now realize part of my Ancestry DNA came from to include Portuguese. I was in what is me and actually feeling it.
Flamenco means Flah-Mencob in Moroccan, or the Afflicted-Farmer. It is the sad chanting of the andalucian moors "Moriscos" who lost their farms and were left only with their voice and hands to express their loss.
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That's very interesting; it makes so much sense. I've heard people believing this term refers to Gypsies, so they consider it unlikely because they weren't typically farmers, but as you put it - it referred to fellow Arabs, so it makes perfect sense to me. How would Flah-Mencob be written in Morroccan script?
@ The Moors aren't Arabs. They are Berbers but they used Arabic since it was the global language of the time. The script is as such فلاح منكوب Flah-Mencob, that can be latinized to Flamemco
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@@fbezza Fantastic. Thanks for the clarification; i really appreciate it. Stay safe 👍
@ Flamenco es neerlandes, vlaamind que significa llameante, el termino no ocupa ninguna parcela en el angulo musical, pero de donde no viene es del arabe, ni del andalusi,ni del amazigh. Hasta en valencia hay una playa que se llama asi,por la estancia de belgas en ella
It definitely has Arab influence in it. Anyone who has been to southern Spain can see the clear influence of the Arab Muslims who ruled Spain for more than 800 years. Even tho they try to erase it, it’s still present :)
@Amin Ali That's true brother I'm talking about the influences that different cultures have had on it North-african moors played a significant role on introducing new instruments to gypsies
Flamenco is a mix of gypsy, moore and Hebrew culture. You can see the Hebrew influences in the clothing style with the fringes. Also the area Seville Spain had a big Hebrew community for a long time and they were originally black. The moors were also black and Arab means mixed and in scripture it goes back to Ishmael the son of Abraham and Haggar his concubine. So the Arab would be a mix of Hebrew and African influences. The word moot also means black. The Gypsies came from India at one point and were nomadic people. Flamenco was created by black people.
No, my friend, there are many other (both alive and dead), also Gypsy that are at least at the same level of Pantoja. Now, Pantoja is still alive, but check out Carmen Amaya. She was probably the best of all times.
This video is perpetuating a myth. Modern genetic studies show the gypsies of Spain originate from north-western Hindustan. This is supported by linguistic evidence. The hand movements, story telling and singing style is still similar in India today. It's assumed there was some cultural exchange with Arabs/Moors maybe while travelling to or when in Spain. However, the gypsies did not arrive in Spain until the 15th century and in very few numbers so it's debateable how much influence Moorish culture had on them. Contemporary bands such as the Gypsy Kings fuse Arabic music (which is brilliant) but this is a modern day influence.
Romani have Indian ancestry. .they were taken as slaves from India by Turks and Arab during Islamic invasion in India. They were sold in slave markets of Baghdad and Istanbul.later they ended up in Europe. Compare the Kathak dance and Rajasthani folk dance with Flamenco..
There is some good info here, but only the last interviewee gave the full picture that flamenco is a mix of moorish, native iberian, and gypsy influence, otherwise this docu is romanticizing the gypsy image and ignoring the non-gypsy contribution. There are northern influences on flamenco as well, like the relationship between the escobilla in alegrias and the jota. Other palos like farrucas are said to have a northern input. The history of canciones de ida y vuelta was left out, which opens up another chapter of influence.
Flamenco has formed wit hundreds of different influences. What Estrella Morente says it's so true. This genre was born in Andalusia thanks to gypsies but nowadays Flamenco's "palos" styles have Andalusian, African, Caribbean, South American, Catalan, Castilian and even Galician influences.
The body movements are clearly influenced by the bullfight. Men and woman dancing together or 'boy wooing girl, and the girl rejecting his advances' can be seen in European dances dating back as far as the 1100's (seen in motifs from the period). The Moorish influence seems to have been romanticised at the expense of it's true origins in Northern India where the Romani came from but this has only recently been supported by genetic studies. Similarities can still be seen in the hand movements, singing style and story telling. At the end of the day Flamenco is uniquely Andalusian.
But see, that’s just it. The gypsies are genetically from India, but they left a long time ago and generally picked up the music and dance of the region they migrated to. There is some influence from their background, but it is minimal. In the case of Flamenco, it makes much more sense that influences on rhythm and footwork came from much closer, North Africa.
@@yasminadanceco Possibly but there is a conundrum in that the Romani did not arrive in Spain until the 1500s (first documented in the North and thought to have been pushed South). Because this is so late, the Moorish cultural influence would have already been defused into the Andalusian population and their music. Historians show the moors exported Andalusian music to North Africa between the 9th and 15th centuries and is still recognised as 'Andalusian' music. However, it is more classical than rhythmic; as influenced by Christian or native Iberian art as the other way round (unless they existed in a vacuum). Flamenco doesn't appear to have been exported with the moors, yet the video takes a leap of faith and time that the residual Islamic population (a conservative bunch) fraternised with a ragbag lot of gypsies and influenced them into the wild rhythms they displayed later. Flamenco can be seen as a later day and separate entity influenced by what had become 'Andalusian' music and dance by the time they arrived. I guess deciphering 'roots' and the various contributions is futile but I agree, the Northern contribution: Mozarabic chant, northern "Gallic" liturgies and the Jota (as you say) should be acknowledged and tends to take a back seat. (Apologies for the length:)
I appreciate your reply. I think that morocco had a continuing influence (and vice versa) long after the reconquista. I have often wondered where the footwork in Flamenco originated. There are a number of Moroccan dances that include complex percussive footwork. The Berber culture is much more open than the Arabs and this kind of dance could easily have been introduced by traders, smugglers, etc...The gypsies in India do not do percussive footwork in their dances. The classical dance of North India does have footwork, but the gypsies would not have interaction with the courts where it was performed to have absorbed that. It is difficult to trace where and when certain elements were introduced to form the form we now know. I guess that is part of the mystery of dance.
Flamenco's dancing steps gave a clear origin from the Hindu treatise "Natya Shastra" written sometime between 1000-600BC through Kathak. It's music is however a blend of Indian, Arabic, Andalusian and native flavors. There is no Arabic influence on the dance, since Dance and music is banned in Islam and middle-eastern countries aren't that sophisticated in terms of the aforesaid fields, except Persia which has a huge Zorastrian influence. It can't have a native origin because the aforesaid fields were also banned in Catholicism. An African influence is attributed to the Spanish participation in the Slave trade and mingling of all these cultures. Flamenco has the Octavian Arab metre and dance excerpts based on emotions same as its progenitor Kathak has with Navarasas, the nine emotions or bhavas of Indian classical dance. However, it is as unique to Spain as its quirky history.
Flamenco means Flah-Mencob which is a deprived farmer While the Andalussuan moors lost their lands and territories to the Queen of aragoon ... they started to wail and weep for their civilisation and land begin to disapear gradually .
Ancient Andalusian Gypsies? They didn't get to Spain until the 15th century. And it took a long time for the to slowly move into Andalucia. So it cannot possibly be "ancient'.
Flamenco is actually mixed from Indian Romani, Arab and Jewish communities in Spain - with west African influence from during the Atlantic slave trade 😊
I suppose that there were many Arab and Jewish communities living in Spain after their expulsion in 1492? That is more than 3 centuries before Flamenco was created with this name!! An intelligent question will be to ask where were they hidden? And if they were hidden like the gypsies for being afraid of being giving a one way ticket to the Americas. Where were them hidden? It does not make any sense. We are not talking about one generation but at least 20 generation? Just to give you an example. The filipino lost the Spanish language since the American invasion in 1896 so in less than a century they stopped speaking Spanish! Unfounded notions like that promote the myth of uncultured Flamenco dancer who when asked where did Flamenco came from responded in a way limited to her culture and knowledge. She start listing some of the cultures: The Greek, The Romans, The Arabs, The Jewish, etc. that came to Spain. That spontaneous and totally ignorant answer is still use today including in this video. Flamenco, like La Jota, the Italian Tarantela, the Mexican Zapateado came from Canarios.
Os dejo un curioso video sobre la historia del flamenco en Cataluña, desde "Rita la cantaora", los Borrull...a Rosalía th-cam.com/video/cspVAqBwNGY/w-d-xo.html
.. #) " .... andando por las callejuelas de Cadi' ,....se puede escuchar canturear a las ...antiquisimas melodias egipcias..." #) Fernando Quinones , " Cadiz y su gente " ( ps Por cierto, este libro me lo regalo' ...Mtro. Esteban Sanlucar ..... ..(." pasandome " antes, .....una antigua falseta por ..siguiriya.....))))
i think you got it all wrong dear lady, the flamingo meaning (fala nuhram minkumu) was an Arab Andalusian sad songs and was taken by some Arabised gypsies when they were forcibly chased from Spain
Flamenco basic was moorish music the kale gypsy tribes were sent to moors as slaves from Persia .. ghaznavi’s the sultan mehmmod 980bc conquered the north of of India and Persia he was the one who ordered all gypsy tribes to be captured and taken out of India into Persia as slaves .. when arrived in Persia we were split up into 3 groups as slaves they didn’t wanted us to stay in one place together the ghaznavi’s so the kale gypsy tribe were sent to moors as slaves .. this music was already existed it was the moorish music North Africans who were Islamist .. the kale gypsy tribes lived centuries in moors so they adopted this music and added their own musical style touch on it .. this flamenco sounds different than the moorish music .. this is the story in Eastern Europe Roma gypsies take the Eastern European music and added their own touch to it and make it sound batter than the original.. gypsy jazz same story they put their own touch to jazz music it became gypsy jazz .. the gypsies are one of the best natural pure musicians dancers it’s just comes natural for them .. they play what ever music styles and they can make it sound batter than the original.. all tho we have our own music and dance .. but this is the case with Europeans gypsies they can take someone’s music and make it sound richer with their own touch on it …
This misinformation on the internet is what happens when foreigners start obsessing about something they never grew up with and never heard all the arguments about flamenco origins because they only have access to poor and biased information at the hands of foreigners who like to paint whatever picture they want ,usually one that's in favor of the "exotic" gypsy
You listen to gypsy music from any other European countries and they have nothing in common with flamenco. The same can be said to those who emphasize its Arab origins.. there is very little connection, unless you listen to recent musics from Morocco which tells me that they have rather got recent flamenco influences. You also have to solve the three century gap that separates its Jewish and Arabic sources. I wonder how does the music in between sounds like.
They, re gypsies from andalucia spain middle class & high class like Isabel pantoja rocio jurado raphael entre otros they invented the flamenco with the double step The Flamenco Una forma de danza española originada por los gitanos . El flamenco se define en español como 'el baile de los gitanos' o danza of the gitanos. El flamenco es un baile muy sensual que incorpora elementos de claqué y el uso ocasional de castañuelas . María Benítez , Teo Morca y Carolyn Holguin son bailarines de flamenco tradicional español que actúan en Nuevo México y el suroeste de los Estados Unidos. The Flamenco is a form of spanish dance originated by gypsies. Flamenco is defined in spanish as 'el baile de los gitanos' or dance of the gypsies. Flamenco is a very sensual dance which incorporates elements of tap and occasional use of castanets. Maria Benitez, Teo Morca and Carolyn Holguin are traditional spanish flamenco dancers who perform in New Mexico and the U.S. southwest.
Yo me he aprendio de un viejo de mi pueblo que viene de la gente esa que vivia en las cuevas, que se aburrian y a dale pata a una piedra y ansi pata punta tacon sacaron er compa que me lo han decido a mi
¡Qué ignorancia¡ Por favor, alguien que haya estudiado el Flamenco. En la UNIVERSIDAD DE CÁDIZ EL profesor Faustino Núñez y su grupo están realizando les estudios más avanzados sobre el flamenco¡ LEANSELO,esto esto es lo que escribiría un guiri que NO TIENE NI PAJOLERA IDEA
F.E.R FLAMENCO EN RED. TANGO, HISTORIA DE UN PATRÓN RITMICO M , o si no está muy bien PETENER 1- PETENERA patrón rítmico de amalgama:compas binario+compas terciario de los indios de Guatemala, méjico por entonces interpretado con modulación oriental e instrumento que se toca como la Ud árabe 2- TANGO patrón rítmico Negro cubano de la habana, llamado cinquillo o tresillo en Cuba, este última es la binarización a la que tiende este ritmo o patrón cantado con voz oriental u guitarra
@@vineetasjourney8017 Flamenco did not come from India or any other part of the world that gypsies stayed apart from Spain. If you disagree then please give proof or examples. Having said that, the gypsies made a huge contribution to Flamenco once the embrace it.
Totally erroneous assumption Fatima. Can you provide a proof that there was Flamenco before the moors and jewish people were throwing out of Spain in 1492? Flamenco is only 2 centuries old so please find any link and let me know. Arab roots? name a place, a date, a piece of music or dance in any arabs country that makes you say that?
Flamenco was the brilliant invention of an Italian named Silverio Franconetti, who, around 1860, after arriving in Spain from Uruguay, mixed the "songs of forge" of a family of gypsy blacksmiths, recently arrived to Spain from Flanders (Belgium), and nicknamed "the flamencos" (the "Flemings"), with an old Spanish dance called "bolero", plus what the same Silverio Franconetti designed after having seen in Uruguay the dances of the "gauchos".
Flamenco does not have Arab roots, maybe you've heard fables about flamenco that are told to tourists. Flamenco is completely artificial, as classical ballet can be, designed by an Italian named Silverio Franconetti, around 1860, mixing the songs of some gypsy blacksmiths recently arrived in Spain from Flanders (or "flamencos", from Flandes or Flanders), with the dance that Franconetti had seen in Uruguay of the gauchos (cowboys-like) called "malambo" , with an old Spanish dance called "bolero", plus what Silverio Franconetti himself designed.
It is true that the current official flag of Andalucia is the flag of the Umayyads and the "Almohads", and that the justification that Andalucia is now a quasi-state or "autonomous community" is by descending from the kingdom of the Almohads, and from the Umayyad dynasty, but flamenco has no relationship with the Almohads or the Muslims but with the gypsies
Pedro Alegre Historical, documented sourced evidence please... most, if not all historians and even experts called flamencologos who extensively study flamenco have concluded that flamenco or canto jondo has it's roots in Arab Moorish origins..as they established in Spain and remained there for 8 centuries, during in which the medieval Christians fought to regain the territories under control of the Sultan and Caliphate.
Pedro Alegre If you study the culture and music of Muslim countries you will notice a similarity in the way they sing with the cante jondo and to your surprise flamenco also has roots in Jewish music and culture to some extent as saphardi Jews lived there for centuries during the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries...
Bharatanatyam nothern indian dance was brought to andalusia by the gypsy. The spanish dance never involved hip shaking and hand twirling. This is very much gypsy influence
You're so wrong. There are scripts and historical proves of Andalusies (Islamic Spanish) dancers who had those technics. The zambra dance now it's part of flamenco but it's said in the video that was known in Granada way before gypsies came there and they just learned it.
You are completely out of the conversation and tremendously irrelevant. Flamingo and Spain has history with Morocco (Andalusia = islamic Spain) that's where the hips dance and hand shakes came from. Dont talk about stuff that you know nothing about. complete non-sense
@ahmed ali There is 0 presence of Indians in the history of Andalusia or Spain. Completely irrelevant. If there is any it is the other way around, as an example yourself. Your name is Ahmed Ali which is an Arabic muslim name but you are from India
@ahmed ali I googled it and to be honest, they're pretty different, the one you mention involves core movements while flamenco barely includes these, instead the dancers move as little as possible (let me explain, what I meant by "dancers move as little as possible" is that they don't need a big scenario because the dancing is more focused on leg movement and also the excessive use of arms/hands, which almost always resembles C shapes), imho flamenco is just a more aggressive and "intimate" type of dance. Also I think there's definitely some arabic influence in the genre, especially if you look into the singing.
@ahmed ali If that is so name in Khattack the carbon copy in Flamenco. Is it the Zapateo or taconeo, Is it the palmas?, is it the castanets or perhaps the Spanish Guitar. What exactly is what you called carbon copy?
Just by watching one minute of intro alone i can tell this documentary is gonna be a big load of crap. First off the song the documentary uses as flamenco, its not; the singer is indeed Camaron de la Isla but that song in particular, even if amazing is from a fusion disco he did of Jazz, flamenco and what else. Then she talks about it being an acient gipsy art or something like that, flamenco is not ancient as it's some of a new art who is indeed derived from olders form of arts from Andalusia mainly the "cante jondo"; and it's not gipsy in origin even if andalusian gipsies are famous for it, there are also non gipsy artist since the very first time it was documented. Then again flamenco doesnt aim to represent the gipsy "way of life", from the region i am from in north andalucia we have a typical flamenco style or "palo" as its called in the flamenco world that it was traditionally singed by the people working in mines, there are other palos who were singed by olive farmers, other palos singed by cereal farmers. Everyone who is from a country with gipsies will know that they are not famous for their working skills. "El duende" it's not a mysterious power, it's what in english you would call being naturally skilled for one task, people with el duende are those that are naturally good at flamenco (be it singing, dancing or playing) without much practice. All this load of crap before the 1:00 minute mark, says enought about the validity of this documentary.
El flamenco no es música gitana,ves música andaluza. Los gitanos lo hacen muy bien, pero es la música del pueblo andaluz ñ bestrelka Morente no es gitana, ni Paco de Lucía, ni Manolo Sanlúcar, ni Vicente Amigo, ni Enrique Morente ni muchísimos más
Flamenco had a lot of influences, not just Arab, maybe in the Arabic wail in the singing, but I don't think the copious wine drinking and passionate, mixed gendered, semi naked dancing was invented by chaste & covered Muslims somehow. Surely it would have been forbidden in their religion.
Red Star72 this shows how little you know about history my boy. Drinking wine and sex with women and men alike were popular themes in that era poetry. In fact every era’s poetry-before and after the spread of islam between arabs- describes types of wine and women bodies and the sex act in great details that’s basically porn in today’s standards. Whore houses and bars were common too and not frowned upon by the public.It’s true all of the above are 100% forbidden in Islam but people did it nonetheless.
Andalusies (spanish muslims) were known for not resoecting Orthodox Islam, there were two radical Islamist invasions to correct that (Almohads and Almoravids) and they failed. There are scripts that shows that muslims kings in Granada drank a lot of wine although they worshipped the Coran
Words like albañil, aceituna, guadalupe that we think are spanish words are actually not, they are Arabic, and all Latin America have spanish, Arab native roots. We are an indubitably a living proof that God is a God of truth. He promised Abraham (Ibrahim) to be father of nations. When Joseph's seed (son of Jacob, Isaac and Abraham) came to the now called American continent, there was an extraordinary and miraculous mix of Abraham's seed in the Colony. We now know that the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is one and the same and faithful to His promises. This is what faith is, knowing that what God promised will come to pass. Despite of religion. History is amazing, and even more amazing is to see the word of God, history and even politics clash and everything just fits. Glory to our God almighty in Jesus name. (Not praising the horrible work of evil that enslaved and killed so many natives).
La historia actual del flamenco es la que han aportado varios historiadores y afecionados sin hacer referencia o comparacion alguna. Hace unas decadas Lola Flores creia que como gitana venia de Egipto (La Faraona GITANA-EGIPTO) pero hoy dia sabemos que los gitanos han venido de la India. Toda la historia erronea que le roba a unos esclavos traidos forzosamente a Iberia y el legado que dejaron en España y en toda Europa. El Flamenco no vino a España a travez de los Gitanos (aunque estos abrazaron el flamenco como si fuera suyo y han aportado mucho) ya que gitanos hay en casi toda Europa y Asia y nunca he visto un gitano Hungaro, Rumano, Frances (con excepcion de Gipsy Kings que entre muchos otros lo llevaron desde España) etc. que baile flamenco o sea que no hay ninguna huella de que a España vino el Flamenco con los gitanos como tampoco lo hay con los Judios Zafarditas y mucho menos con los Arabes. Si no busca o nombra un baile o lugar donde se practica ese baile/ musica o cosa parecida. Puedes añadir mas cultura, los godos, los visigodos, los celtas, los romanos en fin pon toda la historia de España o incluso de Europa y no encontraras nada. El origen del Flamenco no vino de Europa o Asia sino que vino de un Grupo de Islas que España consiguio conquistar a finales del Siglo XV (1492-1496) y que entonces empezo a traerse los canarios como esclavos y tambien empieza a surgir por primera vez la creacion de una danza y musica no europea pero Guanche surgiendo las primeras formas del Flamenco antiguo (aunque entonces no se llamaba Flamenco) con los esclavos de esas islas vino el baile y musica de las Islas Canarias y estos bailes eran Guanches (los aborigenes de Canarias) "El Tarajaste Canario, Las Saltonas, Las Isas, el Sirinoque, las folias (Que de ahi salio La Folia Clasica de España) entre otros y en España se extendio por todas partes tomando el nombre de Canario, Il Canario, en Italia, Canary in Inglaterra, Canarie en France etc. y duro desde el Renacimiento Italiano hasta el Barroco donde empezo a deversificarse y tomar nombres como La Jota y Flamenco. Cambio hasta el lenguage. Shakespeare llamaba Canarying al taconeo. JS Bach uso para su repertorio musica de Canario. Vean "Canario" por el compositor de Aragon Gaspar Sanz en el siglo XViii (un siglo antes de nacer La Jota) th-cam.com/video/jh-94sxuduI/w-d-xo.html o en el Renacimiento Italiano th-cam.com/video/0r-2q2rLLH4/w-d-xo.html Quien mas heredo del Flamenco se puede ver en esta pieza del compositor Barroco Aleman/Italiano Kapsberger a finales del XVi y principiuos del XVii th-cam.com/video/ZtDyHrGdp6E/w-d-xo.html El flamenco ahora se refinado y asumidos muchos estilos, manerismos o braceo pero solo tiene un origen y con La Jota ese origen es CANARIAS.
The History of the most outstanding music and dance in Europe and the Americas came to creation thanks to "Canarios" or Canary in English and especially what William Shakespeare baptised in English as "Canareying" which was unique in Europe. This canerying was used also in the Americas: see this early Mexican Zapateo: th-cam.com/video/qNvGiP_-ccg/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1 Also how other countries made "Canarios" their own music. See Music of Scotland- Canaries. th-cam.com/video/tzSnVSs5z94/w-d-xo.html Also the English dancing "Canario" th-cam.com/video/y7YH2pk9z9M/w-d-xo.html Around 3 centuries of the Golden Canario period created this family of Canario Music and Dance and to Flamenco and La Jota one has to ad the Italian Tarantela, The Mexican Zapateo and many others. Bearing in mind that all those dances are just around 2 centuries old and Canario started with the first conquest or pillage of the first two islands of Fuerteventura and Lanzarote in 1402 by the Normands and then by Majorcans, Portugues and Italians and later castilians who were busy bringing Native canaries as slaves to Europe. Seville and Valencia were the two main markets. In 1492 the arabs, jewish and other people were removed from Spain and the conquest of all of the Canaries ended in 1496. Up to that point there were not a trace of Flamenco in Spain or for that matter any where in the World, so the idea of Flamenco coming from the Greek, romans, Jewish, arabs, gipsies,etc is a total fantasy that denies the Legacy that "Canarios" left in Europe and the Americas and YET THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF "CANARIO" IN ANY OF THOSE MUSIC AND DANCES. It was and continues to be a total plunder of our people and culture.
JAAJAAA!! Deje la drogas le estan destrozando su ego nacionalista canario, expilque primero que instrumentos y que musica habia en Canarias cuando llego Colon, hay algun tipo de constancia de que los hubiera?
@@luisantoniohernadez9637 Un poquito de respeto se te pide. Yo no solo no tomo drogas sino que ni siquiera fumo. Siguiendo tu teoria , los únicos que toman esas subtancias toxicas son todos los historiadores de música y baile Flamenco. Los músicolos como les llaman ya que solo vomitan falsos detalles deceptivos sin aportar ni reconocer el LEGADO de Canarios. Desde 1400 Muchos europeos embarcaban a Canarias a la captura de esclavos ya que los guanches de una isla no podian ayudar por la lejanía a sus hermanos en la isla vecina atacatas por tantos europeos esclavistas. No te digo España por que no habia ningún pais con ese nombre cuando el normando Jean Betancourt conquistó Fuerteventura en 1402. Los castellanos, portugueses, italianos, mallorquines todos iban a Canarias a exclavisar a nuestros ancestros y traerlos a sus paises y en gran parte muchos de estos esclavos traian su música y baile (que fue una de las razones para exclavizarlos) que en España lo llamamos Canarios o en Italia il Canario pero en las islas se llamaba Tarajaste y Sirinoque MUCHISMO ANTES DE 1492. cuando llego Colón O SEA QUE ESTO ES LA REPUESTA A DOS DE TUS PREGUNTAS. Que instrumentos habian? El tambor y Las Chácaras que es lo que hoy le llaman las castañuelas y aqui te envio un enlazo de Juan Mesa en Holanda dando una demonstación: th-cam.com/video/hVFvlpDxgo0/w-d-xo.html y aqui tienes a Rocio Durcal con una version del Tarajaste peninsular. th-cam.com/video/doD9dEafEh8/w-d-xo.html y una muestra de Tajaraste de La Gomera th-cam.com/video/ixy1JHKEuW0/w-d-xo.html. ESTA ES LA REPUESTA A TU TERCERA PREGUNTA. Ahora de acuerdos a mi investigacion y teoría te he aportado millares de información colectiva TAJANTE Y COMPROBATIVA a travez de mis escritos y en los enlaces de video. ?Puedes tu darme una tres piezad de información sobre el Flamenco antes de 1780??? cuando entonces se llamaba Canarios y cambio de nombre a Flamenco e igual con La Jota y muchisimos mas durante los tres siglos dorados de Canarios en Europa y Las America Puedes tu aportarme algo asi como una pieza de música de los zafarditas o una ciudad gitana fuera de España donde bailan algo parecido al Flamenco o un baile arabe que realmente sea de taconeo. Dame una fecha , cualquier cosa que sea substancial. Saludos desde Inglaterra, Jesús Antonio Díaz Hernández
@@jesusdiaz3679 Como voy a respetar a una persona k dice tal cantidad de burradas, y k desprecia el trabajo de músicologos e historiadores k han pasado años estudiando documentos y manuscritos partituras c.tc... tu gran aportación son las chacaras y el tambor? Jaajaaa!! El tambor lo tocaban todos pueblos primitivos incluidos los americanos o también lo llevaron los canarios? Puedes aportar algún compositor canario o partitura de los años a los k haces referencia?lo k padeces es peor k el efecto de las drogas es paranoya la misma k los independentistas k les lleba a decir k colon era catalán y reinventan toda la historia, a su gusto para aparentar una nación k no son, ahora resulta k el hijo creo a la madre? Tu teoría del flamenco y la jota es tan falsa como decir k la tierra es plana. Terraplanista tal vez? No te molestes en contestar no pienso perder el tiempo con un paranoico cúrate!
One big question here: if it's "Holy Friday in Seville" when she sings the song, what in the heck is Catholic Spain doing dancing on Good Friday? That's not good religion. It's just Gypsy mentality. XoD
Flamenco is not a gypsy creation. Outside Spain, no gypsies are familiar with flamenco, therefore it is a Spanish dance, not a gypsy dance. The dancers of Tartessos had more to do with flamenco development than any gypsies anywhere.
@@harveyspecter1855 Gracias. Yo le doy mucho valor a la aportación gitana al flamenco pero ese video comenta de la diaspora gitana y con esto trata de adueñarse de la creación del Flamenco. Los antiguos canarios fue mucho peor que la diaspora la cual fue una emigración económica e ilegal. Los antiguos canarios fueron traídos cautivos a Europa precisamente por su música y bailes que hicieron que fue autorías de esclavos a paso a ser música y baile de las cortes. No confundas esto! Yo he dado muchos enlaces de hasta cinco siglos atrás que deja sin lugar a dudas la creación de estos bailes y música que solo lleva dos siglos con el nombre del flamenco o La Jota, o La Tarantela Italiana, o el Zapateado Mexicano que son todos hijos de Canarios. Dame un enlace que prueba tu argumento y que sea basado en dos siglos o mas!
Flamenco does not have Arab roots, maybe you've heard fables about flamenco that are told to tourists. Flamenco is completely artificial, as classical ballet can be, designed by an Italian named Silverio Franconetti, around 1860, mixing the songs of some gypsy blacksmiths recently arrived in Spain from Flanders (or "flamencos", from Flandes or Flanders), with the dance that Franconetti had seen in Uruguay of the gauchos (cowboys-like) called "malambo" , with an old Spanish dance called "bolero", plus what Silverio Franconetti himself designed.
Pedro Alegre All history of Spain lies by crusar. Europians Lies lies Moriscos mean Arabs amazigh made history of southern Europe Flamingo left by moors Even Spaniards carry blood moors Arabs Berbers
The fact that flamenco means flemmish does not Mean that the flemmish have any Origin in it. There where flemmish in Spain but They have nothing to do with the music.
@@user-qt9vx5qs8h you can t even spell it right, go back to North Africa you inbred, flamenco is pure Spanish, stop try to steal other peoples cultures
Gypsies come from India. Flamenco rhythms are heavily based around kathak and Rajasthani folk patterns. The way they sing derives from ragas. Also with Arab influence.
I would like to see a black Spanish women dance flamenco, I've never seen one because I know how racist Spaniards are to the morenos. the art of the flamenco dance come 's from Moorish roots and moors are black people, so it comes naturally to Black's. A black woman would probably do it great, so if you ever find out of a black flamenco dancer let me know on a comment.
Totally wrong Cristian with you assumption that the vas majority of Moorish were black. Moorish are the name given to People from Morocco and Mauritania which today is in coasting the Atlantic but in the VIII century the name was of a country costing the Mediterranean. These people were berbers Amazigh) the real aboriginal people of North Africa before the Arabs from the Middle East started invading their countries and converting them to Islam. Up to the VIII century they were Christians and I enclose here a link showing you their real race and colour (Neither European nor black) th-cam.com/video/KQHD1fZAvmA/w-d-xo.html Flamenco is a Unesco World Heritage and people of many creeds and colour dance Flamenco including Black women, Asian women and men, etc: th-cam.com/video/7fzVw-n-zik/w-d-xo.html. You will see a couple of morenos. th-cam.com/video/PLwcIbCESWI/w-d-xo.html. These dancers are Japanese and they have embraced Flamenco to the extend that Japan is the second fatherland of Flamenco today. You obviously have being so brainwashed by the Americans black propaganda to believe that anything they Spanish do is racist. Tell me what happened to the natives people of USA. How many survived them? Just think about it.
@@cristianmarquez3086 Moors are mainly arabised berbers who do come from North Africa and a part of West Egypt called Siwa. (They were called moors because they came principally from Morocco and Mauritania) Having said that, before they were arabised there were two Berber Pharaohs but also there were 3 Roman emperors, 3 Popes, Many Christian saints including the scholar St Thomas of Aquino and even the greatest War strategist ever Hannibal Barca. Guanche Berbers are the one that created 'Canarios' a song and dance embraced by all Europe and the Americas and that gave the creation of the most important music and dance forms.
@@pedrojorgebarbosa6126 Moors were arabised Berbers mixed with the people from the Middle East and the other invasions that North Africa had with the romans, the Turks, the arabs, etc.and immigrants from further south in Africa. but the original Berbers/Amazigh people looks were Europeans as the video shows. The Berbers in the South of Algeria, South of Lybia, Niger, Mali and part of Mauretania are Black Berbers
@@cristianmarquez3086 The moors are not descendant from Egyptians unless that they are from Siwa (west of Egypt. La palabra 'moors' viene de Marruecos y Mauritania.
what a precious documentary. thank you for posting it.
"Of all musics flamenco is the most misrepresented". True.
Gypsies were originated in northern part of india. They brought indian legacy to all the way to europa. Flamenco is quite similar to indian dance and music.
The Zambra sounds more like a Tangos and is in the same key !
Fascinating, but such a short documentary.
I believe the entire documentary can be seen here: th-cam.com/video/kS-3fZz5mCk/w-d-xo.html
@@pajaronegro38 oh my god thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The British have mastered the curious explorer documentary 😆
Me likey ,the way you articulate facets of flamenco that are unsaid yet recognized to all that hear it
Tis video cut off without suddenly???
Que bonito la bailaora y bailaor es que Andalucia es España
Very powerful music and
dance culture , but we must not argue about the
Exact origin , let the dance
Begin!!!!!
Ofcourse we should. It is disrespectful if ppl dont give due credit to whefe it originated and it came from romanis of india which has roots from kathak and banjara dance forms
Awesome
Proud to be GYPSY
Look up flamenco KATHAK fusion dance……….North Indian influences as rajasthani Roma was an amazing influence
I have been to Cadiz and traveled throughout Spain but it was Cadiz especially where I now realize part of my Ancestry DNA came from to include Portuguese. I was in what is me and actually feeling it.
why was this doc cut short? is that it
Flamenco means Flah-Mencob in Moroccan, or the Afflicted-Farmer. It is the sad chanting of the andalucian moors "Moriscos" who lost their farms and were left only with their voice and hands to express their loss.
That's very interesting; it makes so much sense. I've heard people believing this term refers to Gypsies, so they consider it unlikely because they weren't typically farmers, but as you put it - it referred to fellow Arabs, so it makes perfect sense to me. How would Flah-Mencob be written in Morroccan script?
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The Moors aren't Arabs. They are Berbers but they used Arabic since it was the global language of the time. The script is as such فلاح منكوب Flah-Mencob, that can be latinized to Flamemco
@@fbezza Fantastic. Thanks for the clarification; i really appreciate it. Stay safe 👍
@ Flamenco es neerlandes, vlaamind que significa llameante, el termino no ocupa ninguna parcela en el angulo musical, pero de donde no viene es del arabe, ni del andalusi,ni del amazigh. Hasta en valencia hay una playa que se llama asi,por la estancia de belgas en ella
Flamenco literally originated centuries after Moroccan expulsion
It definitely has Arab influence in it. Anyone who has been to southern Spain can see the clear influence of the Arab Muslims who ruled Spain for more than 800 years. Even tho they try to erase it, it’s still present :)
Totally agreed, their looks are more like mixture of middle eastern and European
Never try to hide my ancestry.
It was white moor muslims who influenced southern spain not arabs.
@Amin Ali
That's true brother
I'm talking about the influences that different cultures have had on it
North-african moors played a significant role on introducing new instruments to gypsies
Flamenco is a mix of gypsy, moore and Hebrew culture. You can see the Hebrew influences in the clothing style with the fringes. Also the area Seville Spain had a big Hebrew community for a long time and they were originally black. The moors were also black and Arab means mixed and in scripture it goes back to Ishmael the son of Abraham and Haggar his concubine. So the Arab would be a mix of Hebrew and African influences. The word moot also means black. The Gypsies came from India at one point and were nomadic people. Flamenco was created by black people.
The biggest flamenco singer & dancer is #isabelpantoja she, s gypsy from andalucia Spain
No, my friend, there are many other (both alive and dead), also Gypsy that are at least at the same level of Pantoja. Now, Pantoja is still alive, but check out Carmen Amaya. She was probably the best of all times.
You all need to research ancient indian dance or north indian gypsy dance and look at the movements.
Thankyou! Someone with some sense!
This video is perpetuating a myth. Modern genetic studies show the gypsies of Spain originate from north-western Hindustan. This is supported by linguistic evidence. The hand movements, story telling and singing style is still similar in India today. It's assumed there was some cultural exchange with Arabs/Moors maybe while travelling to or when in Spain. However, the gypsies did not arrive in Spain until the 15th century and in very few numbers so it's debateable how much influence Moorish culture had on them. Contemporary bands such as the Gypsy Kings fuse Arabic music (which is brilliant) but this is a modern day influence.
Are there any videos of this?
@Amin Ali Easy to see the similarities.
Romani have Indian ancestry. .they were taken as slaves from India by Turks and Arab during Islamic invasion in India. They were sold in slave markets of Baghdad and Istanbul.later they ended up in Europe. Compare the Kathak dance and Rajasthani folk dance with Flamenco..
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There is some good info here, but only the last interviewee gave the full picture that flamenco is a mix of moorish, native iberian, and gypsy influence, otherwise this docu is romanticizing the gypsy image and ignoring the non-gypsy contribution. There are northern influences on flamenco as well, like the relationship between the escobilla in alegrias and the jota. Other palos like farrucas are said to have a northern input. The history of canciones de ida y vuelta was left out, which opens up another chapter of influence.
Flamenco has formed wit hundreds of different influences. What Estrella Morente says it's so true. This genre was born in Andalusia thanks to gypsies but nowadays Flamenco's "palos" styles have Andalusian, African, Caribbean, South American, Catalan, Castilian and even Galician influences.
The body movements are clearly influenced by the bullfight. Men and woman dancing together or 'boy wooing girl, and the girl rejecting his advances' can be seen in European dances dating back as far as the 1100's (seen in motifs from the period). The Moorish influence seems to have been romanticised at the expense of it's true origins in Northern India where the Romani came from but this has only recently been supported by genetic studies. Similarities can still be seen in the hand movements, singing style and story telling. At the end of the day Flamenco is uniquely Andalusian.
But see, that’s just it. The gypsies are genetically from India, but they left a long time ago and generally picked up the music and dance of the region they migrated to. There is some influence from their background, but it is minimal. In the case of Flamenco, it makes much more sense that influences on rhythm and footwork came from much closer, North Africa.
@@yasminadanceco Possibly but there is a conundrum in that the Romani did not arrive in Spain until the 1500s (first documented in the North and thought to have been pushed South). Because this is so late, the Moorish cultural influence would have already been defused into the Andalusian population and their music. Historians show the moors exported Andalusian music to North Africa between the 9th and 15th centuries and is still recognised as 'Andalusian' music. However, it is more classical than rhythmic; as influenced by Christian or native Iberian art as the other way round (unless they existed in a vacuum). Flamenco doesn't appear to have been exported with the moors, yet the video takes a leap of faith and time that the residual Islamic population (a conservative bunch) fraternised with a ragbag lot of gypsies and influenced them into the wild rhythms they displayed later. Flamenco can be seen as a later day and separate entity influenced by what had become 'Andalusian' music and dance by the time they arrived. I guess deciphering 'roots' and the various contributions is futile but I agree, the Northern contribution: Mozarabic chant, northern "Gallic" liturgies and the Jota (as you say) should be acknowledged and tends to take a back seat. (Apologies for the length:)
I appreciate your reply. I think that morocco had a continuing influence (and vice versa) long after the reconquista. I have often wondered where the footwork in Flamenco originated. There are a number of Moroccan dances that include complex percussive footwork. The Berber culture is much more open than the Arabs and this kind of dance could easily have been introduced by traders, smugglers, etc...The gypsies in India do not do percussive footwork in their dances. The classical dance of North India does have footwork, but the gypsies would not have interaction with the courts where it was performed to have absorbed that. It is difficult to trace where and when certain elements were introduced to form the form we now know. I guess that is part of the mystery of dance.
Flamenco's dancing steps gave a clear origin from the Hindu treatise "Natya Shastra" written sometime between 1000-600BC through Kathak. It's music is however a blend of Indian, Arabic, Andalusian and native flavors. There is no Arabic influence on the dance, since Dance and music is banned in Islam and middle-eastern countries aren't that sophisticated in terms of the aforesaid fields, except Persia which has a huge Zorastrian influence. It can't have a native origin because the aforesaid fields were also banned in Catholicism. An African influence is attributed to the Spanish participation in the Slave trade and mingling of all these cultures.
Flamenco has the Octavian Arab metre and dance excerpts based on emotions same as its progenitor Kathak has with Navarasas, the nine emotions or bhavas of Indian classical dance. However, it is as unique to Spain as its quirky history.
You are mad
Flamenco steps have celtic origin, its perfectly studied by real historians and the arab roots are obvious too
@@mariarueda7284 heyi fool.. historical evidence data yes say yes oriented from India
Un reportaje pa extranjeros cuando hagais estas cosas que se refleje las palabras en castellano y el que no sepa ingles que
i know that guitarist his name is ANTONIS SIMIXIS
Josephine Cordoba was my cousin she was a back ground dancer in blood and sand with Tyron power’s
Flamenco means Flah-Mencob which is a deprived farmer While the Andalussuan moors lost their lands and territories to the Queen of aragoon ... they started to wail and weep for their civilisation and land begin to disapear gradually .
Flamenco is not spanish dance form ,ittheys a romani ppl dance ,romani ppl belong to india carried this dance from india to europe,spanish capture it
Flamenco originated in Spain from indigenous Iberian Moorish Sephardic Jewish and Romani culture. It comes from Spain
@@llovefood4927 idiot romanis came from india to avoid muslim attacks in india
i watched this for school
Ancient Andalusian Gypsies? They didn't get to Spain until the 15th century. And it took a long time for the to slowly move into Andalucia. So it cannot possibly be "ancient'.
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Flamenco is actually mixed from Indian Romani, Arab and Jewish communities in Spain - with west African influence from during the Atlantic slave trade 😊
It’s Romani.
@@woohooo7634 romani culture originates from north india
@@woohooo7634 And jewish and arabic....
@@alt3170 nope its gypsy music and culture with spanish insturments u cant find similar stuff in north africa or middle east
I suppose that there were many Arab and Jewish communities living in Spain after their expulsion in 1492? That is more than 3 centuries before Flamenco was created with this name!! An intelligent question will be to ask where were they hidden? And if they were hidden like the gypsies for being afraid of being giving a one way ticket to the Americas. Where were them hidden?
It does not make any sense. We are not talking about one generation but at least 20 generation? Just to give you an example. The filipino lost the Spanish language since the American invasion in 1896 so in less than a century they stopped speaking Spanish!
Unfounded notions like that promote the myth of uncultured Flamenco dancer who when asked where did Flamenco came from responded in a way limited to her culture and knowledge. She start listing some of the cultures: The Greek, The Romans, The Arabs, The Jewish, etc. that came to Spain. That spontaneous and totally ignorant answer is still use today including in this video.
Flamenco, like La Jota, the Italian Tarantela, the Mexican Zapateado came from Canarios.
This dance is similar to kathak dance from india .
My wife is from Spain and the gypsies are of indian origin, not moorish......
Exactly. Thanku for really sayinf the truth
Os dejo un curioso video sobre la historia del flamenco en Cataluña, desde "Rita la cantaora", los Borrull...a Rosalía th-cam.com/video/cspVAqBwNGY/w-d-xo.html
.. #) " .... andando por las callejuelas de Cadi' ,....se puede escuchar canturear a las ...antiquisimas melodias egipcias..."
#) Fernando Quinones , " Cadiz y su gente "
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Por cierto, este libro me lo regalo' ...Mtro. Esteban Sanlucar .....
..(." pasandome " antes, .....una antigua falseta por ..siguiriya.....))))
No se yo , no se yo, yo soy ma de boquerone fritos
i think you got it all wrong dear lady, the flamingo meaning (fala nuhram minkumu) was an Arab Andalusian sad songs and was taken by some Arabised gypsies when they were forcibly chased from Spain
Gypsies are indians u idiot. They literally escaped india to avoid arab attacks
Flamenco basic was moorish music the kale gypsy tribes were sent to moors as slaves from Persia .. ghaznavi’s the sultan mehmmod 980bc conquered the north of of India and Persia he was the one who ordered all gypsy tribes to be captured and taken out of India into Persia as slaves .. when arrived in Persia we were split up into 3 groups as slaves they didn’t wanted us to stay in one place together the ghaznavi’s so the kale gypsy tribe were sent to moors as slaves .. this music was already existed it was the moorish music North Africans who were Islamist .. the kale gypsy tribes lived centuries in moors so they adopted this music and added their own musical style touch on it .. this flamenco sounds different than the moorish music .. this is the story in Eastern Europe Roma gypsies take the Eastern European music and added their own touch to it and make it sound batter than the original.. gypsy jazz same story they put their own touch to jazz music it became gypsy jazz .. the gypsies are one of the best natural pure musicians dancers it’s just comes natural for them .. they play what ever music styles and they can make it sound batter than the original.. all tho we have our own music and dance .. but this is the case with Europeans gypsies they can take someone’s music and make it sound richer with their own touch on it …
La Leyenda del Tiempo not is flamenco, it's a simple song singing by Camaron, but not is cante jondo.
Plz tell me what's the relation between gipsys and flamenco ?????
Thank's to arabs
hands form is like irani dance
sana Aries gal flamenco was created by gypsies who lived in iran at one point as well.
@@thewwemegafan Influenced not created
This misinformation on the internet is what happens when foreigners start obsessing about something they never grew up with and never heard all the arguments about flamenco origins because they only have access to poor and biased information at the hands of foreigners who like to paint whatever picture they want ,usually one that's in favor of the "exotic" gypsy
@@thewwemegafan Please Zach provide a tangible proof that, that is the case
roma gypsys come from north india and the moves have a lot of resemblence
You listen to gypsy music from any other European countries and they have nothing in common with flamenco. The same can be said to those who emphasize its Arab origins.. there is very little connection, unless you listen to recent musics from Morocco which tells me that they have rather got recent flamenco influences. You also have to solve the three century gap that separates its Jewish and Arabic sources. I wonder how does the music in between sounds like.
Yes, gypsy music from my country, Romania sounds very different than Flamenco
You aren’t Romani, stop trying to divide a community you aren’t part of
@ahmed ali The one that is far more similar and even in name is the Maori Haka dance in New Zealand!!
@ahmed ali not even close.
Now compare Flamenco with Kathak and Rajasthani folk dance of India. .North Western India is the origin of Romani people. .
5:02 thru 5:06 BAHAHAHAHAHAH she looks SO UNCOMFORTABLE
They, re gypsies from andalucia spain middle class & high class like Isabel pantoja rocio jurado raphael entre otros they invented the flamenco with the double step
The Flamenco
Una forma de danza española originada por los gitanos . El flamenco se define en español como 'el baile de los gitanos' o danza of the gitanos. El flamenco es un baile muy sensual que incorpora elementos de claqué y el uso ocasional de castañuelas .
María Benítez , Teo Morca y Carolyn Holguin son bailarines de flamenco tradicional español que actúan en Nuevo México y el suroeste de los Estados Unidos.
The Flamenco
is a form of spanish dance originated by gypsies. Flamenco is defined in spanish as 'el baile de los gitanos' or dance of the gypsies. Flamenco is a very sensual dance which incorporates elements of tap and occasional use of castanets.
Maria Benitez, Teo Morca and Carolyn Holguin are traditional spanish flamenco dancers who perform in New Mexico and the U.S. southwest.
Gitanos or gypsies are indians
8:25 DI MI NOMBRE. OMG!!!! I DIDNT KNEW ROSALIA SAMPLED IT
díos mi
mio
Yo me he aprendio de un viejo de mi pueblo que viene de la gente esa que vivia en las cuevas, que se aburrian y a dale pata a una piedra y ansi pata punta tacon sacaron er compa que me lo han decido a mi
Tu eres un simple
¡Qué ignorancia¡ Por favor, alguien que haya estudiado el Flamenco.
En la UNIVERSIDAD DE CÁDIZ EL profesor Faustino Núñez y su grupo están realizando les estudios más avanzados sobre el flamenco¡
LEANSELO,esto esto es lo que escribiría un guiri que NO TIENE NI PAJOLERA IDEA
F.E.R FLAMENCO EN RED. TANGO, HISTORIA DE UN PATRÓN RITMICO M , o si no está muy bien PETENER
1- PETENERA
patrón rítmico de amalgama:compas binario+compas terciario de los indios de Guatemala, méjico por entonces
interpretado con modulación oriental e instrumento que se toca como la Ud árabe
2- TANGO
patrón rítmico Negro cubano de la habana, llamado cinquillo o tresillo en Cuba, este última es la binarización a la que tiende este ritmo o patrón
cantado con voz oriental u guitarra
anyone from Ms.Mani's class?
why is Mista here?
Not Gypsy! Roma or Romani!!
Flamingo Andalusia origins mean Arab roots left by moors ruled spain
No, flamenco existed before the moorish invaders
They come from gypsies. And gypsies come from India.
No. Total bullshit.
@@vineetasjourney8017 Flamenco did not come from India or any other part of the world that gypsies stayed apart from Spain. If you disagree then please give proof or examples. Having said that, the gypsies made a huge contribution to Flamenco once the embrace it.
Totally erroneous assumption Fatima. Can you provide a proof that there was Flamenco before the moors and jewish people were throwing out of Spain in 1492? Flamenco is only 2 centuries old so please find any link and let me know. Arab roots? name a place, a date, a piece of music or dance in any arabs country that makes you say that?
Andalucia is not a province.
It's a historical nation
The arabs brought the oud - you call it guitar. The rest is history.
here is a full episode th-cam.com/video/c0Kw5Xotnuc/w-d-xo.html
Like si vienes por tarea
5:02 When Spanish people hit their toe on the side of the table
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Flamenco was the brilliant invention of an Italian named Silverio Franconetti, who, around 1860, after arriving in Spain from Uruguay, mixed the "songs of forge" of a family of gypsy blacksmiths, recently arrived to Spain from Flanders (Belgium), and nicknamed "the flamencos" (the "Flemings"), with an old Spanish dance called "bolero", plus what the same Silverio Franconetti designed after having seen in Uruguay the dances of the "gauchos".
Pedro Alegre
No flamingo Arabic roots left by moriscos ruled spain
Flamenco does not have Arab roots, maybe you've heard fables about flamenco that are told to tourists. Flamenco is completely artificial, as classical ballet can be, designed by an Italian named Silverio Franconetti, around 1860, mixing the songs of some gypsy blacksmiths recently arrived in Spain from Flanders (or "flamencos", from Flandes or Flanders), with the dance that Franconetti had seen in Uruguay of the gauchos (cowboys-like) called "malambo" , with an old Spanish dance called "bolero", plus what Silverio Franconetti himself designed.
It is true that the current official flag of Andalucia is the flag of the Umayyads and the "Almohads", and that the justification that Andalucia is now a quasi-state or "autonomous community" is by descending from the kingdom of the Almohads, and from the Umayyad dynasty, but flamenco has no relationship with the Almohads or the Muslims but with the gypsies
Pedro Alegre
Historical, documented sourced evidence please... most, if not all historians and even experts called flamencologos who extensively study flamenco have concluded that flamenco or canto jondo has it's roots in Arab Moorish origins..as they established in Spain and remained there for 8 centuries, during in which the medieval Christians fought to regain the territories under control of the Sultan and Caliphate.
Pedro Alegre
If you study the culture and music of Muslim countries you will notice a similarity in the way they sing with the cante jondo and to your surprise flamenco also has roots in Jewish music and culture to some extent as saphardi Jews lived there for centuries during the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries...
Interesting Spanish music known as flamenco in Span.😊
Flamenco sol=El Luis Barrul .gypsy de Leon
Flameco is not gypsy
It is u idiot. It came from romanis. Either u r idiot or ur country men are for which it is not recognized as where it came from
Bharatanatyam nothern indian dance was brought to andalusia by the gypsy. The spanish dance never involved hip shaking and hand twirling. This is very much gypsy influence
You're so wrong. There are scripts and historical proves of Andalusies (Islamic Spanish) dancers who had those technics. The zambra dance now it's part of flamenco but it's said in the video that was known in Granada way before gypsies came there and they just learned it.
You are completely out of the conversation and tremendously irrelevant. Flamingo and Spain has history with Morocco (Andalusia = islamic Spain) that's where the hips dance and hand shakes came from. Dont talk about stuff that you know nothing about. complete non-sense
@ahmed ali There is 0 presence of Indians in the history of Andalusia or Spain. Completely irrelevant. If there is any it is the other way around, as an example yourself. Your name is Ahmed Ali which is an Arabic muslim name but you are from India
@ahmed ali I googled it and to be honest, they're pretty different, the one you mention involves core movements while flamenco barely includes these, instead the dancers move as little as possible (let me explain, what I meant by "dancers move as little as possible" is that they don't need a big scenario because the dancing is more focused on leg movement and also the excessive use of arms/hands, which almost always resembles C shapes), imho flamenco is just a more aggressive and "intimate" type of dance. Also I think there's definitely some arabic influence in the genre, especially if you look into the singing.
@ahmed ali If that is so name in Khattack the carbon copy in Flamenco. Is it the Zapateo or taconeo, Is it the palmas?, is it the castanets or perhaps the Spanish Guitar. What exactly is what you called carbon copy?
Just by watching one minute of intro alone i can tell this documentary is gonna be a big load of crap. First off the song the documentary uses as flamenco, its not; the singer is indeed Camaron de la Isla but that song in particular, even if amazing is from a fusion disco he did of Jazz, flamenco and what else.
Then she talks about it being an acient gipsy art or something like that, flamenco is not ancient as it's some of a new art who is indeed derived from olders form of arts from Andalusia mainly the "cante jondo"; and it's not gipsy in origin even if andalusian gipsies are famous for it, there are also non gipsy artist since the very first time it was documented.
Then again flamenco doesnt aim to represent the gipsy "way of life", from the region i am from in north andalucia we have a typical flamenco style or "palo" as its called in the flamenco world that it was traditionally singed by the people working in mines, there are other palos who were singed by olive farmers, other palos singed by cereal farmers. Everyone who is from a country with gipsies will know that they are not famous for their working skills.
"El duende" it's not a mysterious power, it's what in english you would call being naturally skilled for one task, people with el duende are those that are naturally good at flamenco (be it singing, dancing or playing) without much practice.
All this load of crap before the 1:00 minute mark, says enought about the validity of this documentary.
El flamenco no es música gitana,ves música andaluza. Los gitanos lo hacen muy bien, pero es la música del pueblo andaluz ñ bestrelka Morente no es gitana, ni Paco de Lucía, ni Manolo Sanlúcar, ni Vicente Amigo, ni Enrique Morente ni muchísimos más
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It is idiot
el idiota eres tú, que no sabes nada sobre Andalucia ni los gitanos @@aninditamitra6425
Flamenco had a lot of influences, not just Arab, maybe in the Arabic wail in the singing, but I don't think the copious wine drinking and passionate, mixed gendered, semi naked dancing was invented by chaste & covered Muslims somehow. Surely it would have been forbidden in their religion.
Red Star72 this shows how little you know about history my boy. Drinking wine and sex with women and men alike were popular themes in that era poetry. In fact every era’s poetry-before and after the spread of islam between arabs- describes types of wine and women bodies and the sex act in great details that’s basically porn in today’s standards. Whore houses and bars were common too and not frowned upon by the public.It’s true all of the above are 100% forbidden in Islam but people did it nonetheless.
Andalusies (spanish muslims) were known for not resoecting Orthodox Islam, there were two radical Islamist invasions to correct that (Almohads and Almoravids) and they failed. There are scripts that shows that muslims kings in Granada drank a lot of wine although they worshipped the Coran
ruben.haukka AN-GR where is this information from ? Really ? Worshiped the Quran?
Words like albañil, aceituna, guadalupe that we think are spanish words are actually not, they are Arabic, and all Latin America have spanish, Arab native roots. We are an indubitably a living proof that God is a God of truth. He promised Abraham (Ibrahim) to be father of nations. When Joseph's seed (son of Jacob, Isaac and Abraham) came to the now called American continent, there was an extraordinary and miraculous mix of Abraham's seed in the Colony. We now know that the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is one and the same and faithful to His promises. This is what faith is, knowing that what God promised will come to pass. Despite of religion. History is amazing, and even more amazing is to see the word of God, history and even politics clash and everything just fits. Glory to our God almighty in Jesus name. (Not praising the horrible work of evil that enslaved and killed so many natives).
La historia actual del flamenco es la que han aportado varios historiadores y afecionados sin hacer referencia o comparacion alguna. Hace unas decadas Lola Flores creia que como gitana venia de Egipto (La Faraona GITANA-EGIPTO) pero hoy dia sabemos que los gitanos han venido de la India.
Toda la historia erronea que le roba a unos esclavos traidos forzosamente a Iberia y el legado que dejaron en España y en toda Europa. El Flamenco no vino a España a travez de los Gitanos (aunque estos abrazaron el flamenco como si fuera suyo y han aportado mucho) ya que gitanos hay en casi toda Europa y Asia y nunca he visto un gitano Hungaro, Rumano, Frances (con excepcion de Gipsy Kings que entre muchos otros lo llevaron desde España) etc. que baile flamenco o sea que no hay ninguna huella de que a España vino el Flamenco con los gitanos como tampoco lo hay con los Judios Zafarditas y mucho menos con los Arabes. Si no busca o nombra un baile o lugar donde se practica ese baile/ musica o cosa parecida. Puedes añadir mas cultura, los godos, los visigodos, los celtas, los romanos en fin pon toda la historia de España o incluso de Europa y no encontraras nada.
El origen del Flamenco no vino de Europa o Asia sino que vino de un Grupo de Islas que España consiguio conquistar a finales del Siglo XV (1492-1496) y que entonces empezo a traerse los canarios como esclavos y tambien empieza a surgir por primera vez la creacion de una danza y musica no europea pero Guanche surgiendo las primeras formas del Flamenco antiguo (aunque entonces no se llamaba Flamenco) con los esclavos de esas islas vino el baile y musica de las Islas Canarias y estos bailes eran Guanches (los aborigenes de Canarias) "El Tarajaste Canario, Las Saltonas, Las Isas, el Sirinoque, las folias (Que de ahi salio La Folia Clasica de España) entre otros y en España se extendio por todas partes tomando el nombre de Canario, Il Canario, en Italia, Canary in Inglaterra, Canarie en France etc. y duro desde el Renacimiento Italiano hasta el Barroco donde empezo a deversificarse y tomar nombres como La Jota y Flamenco. Cambio hasta el lenguage. Shakespeare llamaba Canarying al taconeo. JS Bach uso para su repertorio musica de Canario.
Vean "Canario" por el compositor de Aragon Gaspar Sanz en el siglo XViii (un siglo antes de nacer La Jota) th-cam.com/video/jh-94sxuduI/w-d-xo.html
o en el Renacimiento Italiano th-cam.com/video/0r-2q2rLLH4/w-d-xo.html
Quien mas heredo del Flamenco se puede ver en esta pieza del compositor Barroco Aleman/Italiano Kapsberger a finales del XVi y principiuos del XVii th-cam.com/video/ZtDyHrGdp6E/w-d-xo.html
El flamenco ahora se refinado y asumidos muchos estilos, manerismos o braceo pero solo tiene un origen y con La Jota ese origen es CANARIAS.
The History of the most outstanding music and dance in Europe and the Americas came to creation thanks to "Canarios" or Canary in English and especially what William Shakespeare baptised in English as "Canareying" which was unique in Europe. This canerying was used also in the Americas: see this early Mexican Zapateo: th-cam.com/video/qNvGiP_-ccg/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1
Also how other countries made "Canarios" their own music. See Music of Scotland- Canaries. th-cam.com/video/tzSnVSs5z94/w-d-xo.html
Also the English dancing "Canario" th-cam.com/video/y7YH2pk9z9M/w-d-xo.html
Around 3 centuries of the Golden Canario period created this family of Canario Music and Dance and to Flamenco and La Jota one has to ad the Italian Tarantela, The Mexican Zapateo and many others.
Bearing in mind that all those dances are just around 2 centuries old and Canario started with the first conquest or pillage of the first two islands of Fuerteventura and Lanzarote in 1402 by the Normands and then by Majorcans, Portugues and Italians and later castilians who were busy bringing Native canaries as slaves to Europe. Seville and Valencia were the two main markets.
In 1492 the arabs, jewish and other people were removed from Spain and the conquest of all of the Canaries ended in 1496. Up to that point there were not a trace of Flamenco in Spain or for that matter any where in the World, so the idea of Flamenco coming from the Greek, romans, Jewish, arabs, gipsies,etc is a total fantasy that denies the Legacy that "Canarios" left in Europe and the Americas and YET THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF "CANARIO" IN ANY OF THOSE MUSIC AND DANCES. It was and continues to be a total plunder of our people and culture.
The roots of Flamenco as Canarios before it was renamed Flamenco by the German composer Kapsberger: th-cam.com/video/ZtDyHrGdp6E/w-d-xo.html
JAAJAAA!! Deje la drogas le estan destrozando su ego nacionalista canario, expilque primero que instrumentos y que musica habia en Canarias cuando llego Colon, hay algun tipo de constancia de que los hubiera?
@@luisantoniohernadez9637 Un poquito de respeto se te pide. Yo no solo no tomo drogas sino que ni siquiera fumo. Siguiendo tu teoria , los únicos que toman esas subtancias toxicas son todos los historiadores de música y baile Flamenco. Los músicolos como les llaman ya que solo vomitan falsos detalles deceptivos sin aportar ni reconocer el LEGADO de Canarios.
Desde 1400 Muchos europeos embarcaban a Canarias a la captura de esclavos ya que los guanches de una isla no podian ayudar por la lejanía a sus hermanos en la isla vecina atacatas por tantos europeos esclavistas. No te digo España por que no habia ningún pais con ese nombre cuando el normando Jean Betancourt conquistó Fuerteventura en 1402. Los castellanos, portugueses, italianos, mallorquines todos iban a Canarias a exclavisar a nuestros ancestros y traerlos a sus paises y en gran parte muchos de estos esclavos traian su música y baile (que fue una de las razones para exclavizarlos) que en España lo llamamos Canarios o en Italia il Canario pero en las islas se llamaba Tarajaste y Sirinoque MUCHISMO ANTES DE 1492. cuando llego Colón O SEA QUE ESTO ES LA REPUESTA A DOS DE TUS PREGUNTAS.
Que instrumentos habian? El tambor y Las Chácaras que es lo que hoy le llaman las castañuelas y aqui te envio un enlazo de Juan Mesa en Holanda dando una demonstación: th-cam.com/video/hVFvlpDxgo0/w-d-xo.html y aqui tienes a Rocio Durcal con una version del Tarajaste peninsular. th-cam.com/video/doD9dEafEh8/w-d-xo.html y una muestra de Tajaraste de La Gomera th-cam.com/video/ixy1JHKEuW0/w-d-xo.html. ESTA ES LA REPUESTA A TU TERCERA PREGUNTA.
Ahora de acuerdos a mi investigacion y teoría te he aportado millares de información colectiva TAJANTE Y COMPROBATIVA a travez de mis escritos y en los enlaces de video.
?Puedes tu darme una tres piezad de información sobre el Flamenco antes de 1780??? cuando entonces se llamaba Canarios y cambio de nombre a Flamenco e igual con La Jota y muchisimos mas durante los tres siglos dorados de Canarios en Europa y Las America
Puedes tu aportarme algo asi como una pieza de música de los zafarditas o una ciudad gitana fuera de España donde bailan algo parecido al Flamenco o un baile arabe que realmente sea de taconeo. Dame una fecha , cualquier cosa que sea substancial.
Saludos desde Inglaterra, Jesús Antonio Díaz Hernández
@@jesusdiaz3679 Como voy a respetar a una persona k dice tal cantidad de burradas, y k desprecia el trabajo de músicologos e historiadores k han pasado años estudiando documentos y manuscritos partituras c.tc... tu gran aportación son las chacaras y el tambor? Jaajaaa!! El tambor lo tocaban todos pueblos primitivos incluidos los americanos o también lo llevaron los canarios? Puedes aportar algún compositor canario o partitura de los años a los k haces referencia?lo k padeces es peor k el efecto de las drogas es paranoya la misma k los independentistas k les lleba a decir k colon era catalán y reinventan toda la historia, a su gusto para aparentar una nación k no son, ahora resulta k el hijo creo a la madre? Tu teoría del flamenco y la jota es tan falsa como decir k la tierra es plana. Terraplanista tal vez? No te molestes en contestar no pienso perder el tiempo con un paranoico cúrate!
One big question here: if it's "Holy Friday in Seville" when she sings the song, what in the heck is Catholic Spain doing dancing on Good Friday? That's not good religion. It's just Gypsy mentality. XoD
Flamenco is not a gypsy creation. Outside Spain, no gypsies are familiar with flamenco, therefore it is a Spanish dance, not a gypsy dance. The dancers of Tartessos had more to do with flamenco development than any gypsies anywhere.
@ahmed ali Give a linknthat backs your way of thinking. I would not call it theory because lacks any thinking.
Are you Romani?? How dare you? Stop trying to divide a community YOU ARENT A PART OF. It is Romani and will always be Romani
@@woohooo7634 he is literally stating a fact it is a Spanish dance it comes from the múltiple cultures within Spain how dare you trying to erase that
@@jesusdiaz3679 th-cam.com/video/fY-xQ_Dl5tw/w-d-xo.html
@@harveyspecter1855 Gracias. Yo le doy mucho valor a la aportación gitana al flamenco pero ese video comenta de la diaspora gitana y con esto trata de adueñarse de la creación del Flamenco. Los antiguos canarios fue mucho peor que la diaspora la cual fue una emigración económica e ilegal. Los antiguos canarios fueron traídos cautivos a Europa precisamente por su música y bailes que hicieron que fue autorías de esclavos a paso a ser música y baile de las cortes. No confundas esto! Yo he dado muchos enlaces de hasta cinco siglos atrás que deja sin lugar a dudas la creación de estos bailes y música que solo lleva dos siglos con el nombre del flamenco o La Jota, o La Tarantela Italiana, o el Zapateado Mexicano que son todos hijos de Canarios. Dame un enlace que prueba tu argumento y que sea basado en dos siglos o mas!
Flamenco does not have Arab roots, maybe you've heard fables about flamenco that are told to tourists. Flamenco is completely artificial, as classical ballet can be, designed by an Italian named Silverio Franconetti, around 1860, mixing the songs of some gypsy blacksmiths recently arrived in Spain from Flanders (or "flamencos", from Flandes or Flanders), with the dance that Franconetti had seen in Uruguay of the gauchos (cowboys-like) called "malambo" , with an old Spanish dance called "bolero", plus what Silverio Franconetti himself designed.
Pedro Alegre
All history of Spain lies by crusar. Europians
Lies lies
Moriscos mean Arabs amazigh made history of southern Europe
Flamingo left by moors
Even Spaniards carry blood moors Arabs Berbers
The fact that flamenco means flemmish does not Mean that the flemmish have any Origin in it. There where flemmish in Spain but They have nothing to do with the music.
Flamenco,mix influencia árabe ,gitanos .
@@user-qt9vx5qs8h you can t even spell it right, go back to North Africa you inbred, flamenco is pure Spanish, stop try to steal other peoples cultures
Gypsies come from India. Flamenco rhythms are heavily based around kathak and Rajasthani folk patterns. The way they sing derives from ragas. Also with Arab influence.
I would like to see a black Spanish women dance flamenco, I've never seen one because I know how racist Spaniards are to the morenos. the art of the flamenco dance come 's from Moorish roots and moors are black people, so it comes naturally to Black's. A black woman would probably do it great, so if you ever find out of a black flamenco dancer let me know on a comment.
Totally wrong Cristian with you assumption that the vas majority of Moorish were black. Moorish are the name given to People from Morocco and Mauritania which today is in coasting the Atlantic but in the VIII century the name was of a country costing the Mediterranean. These people were berbers Amazigh) the real aboriginal people of North Africa before the Arabs from the Middle East started invading their countries and converting them to Islam. Up to the VIII century they were Christians and I enclose here a link showing you their real race and colour (Neither European nor black) th-cam.com/video/KQHD1fZAvmA/w-d-xo.html
Flamenco is a Unesco World Heritage and people of many creeds and colour dance Flamenco including Black women, Asian women and men, etc:
th-cam.com/video/7fzVw-n-zik/w-d-xo.html. You will see a couple of morenos.
th-cam.com/video/PLwcIbCESWI/w-d-xo.html. These dancers are Japanese and they have embraced Flamenco to the extend that Japan is the second fatherland of Flamenco today. You obviously have being so brainwashed by the Americans black propaganda to believe that anything they Spanish do is racist. Tell me what happened to the natives people of USA. How many survived them? Just think about it.
Lol moorish are descended from the original Egyptians.
@@cristianmarquez3086 Moors are mainly arabised berbers who do come from North Africa and a part of West Egypt called Siwa. (They were called moors because they came principally from Morocco and Mauritania) Having said that, before they were arabised there were two Berber Pharaohs but also there were 3 Roman emperors, 3 Popes, Many Christian saints including the scholar St Thomas of Aquino and even the greatest War strategist ever Hannibal Barca. Guanche Berbers are the one that created 'Canarios' a song and dance embraced by all Europe and the Americas and that gave the creation of the most important music and dance forms.
@@pedrojorgebarbosa6126 Moors were arabised Berbers mixed with the people from the Middle East and the other invasions that North Africa had with the romans, the Turks, the arabs, etc.and immigrants from further south in Africa. but the original Berbers/Amazigh people looks were Europeans as the video shows. The Berbers in the South of Algeria, South of Lybia, Niger, Mali and part of Mauretania are Black Berbers
@@cristianmarquez3086 The moors are not descendant from Egyptians unless that they are from Siwa (west of Egypt. La palabra 'moors' viene de Marruecos y Mauritania.
Not true. Flamenco is neither primarily nor originally Gypsy. Stop the commonplaces and inform yourself first from music experts.
😂the audacity and ignorance. It came from romanis and it is india. U being ignorant wont change truth
Cringe woke bs