@@HammerheadStarcraft no that was an illustration that was in the races section of the new phb, meant to specifically illustrate what the new orcs look like.
What some people don't seem to get is that there's tasteful ways to deal with anachronism. A setting like the Hyborian Age, for example, joined Ancient Egypt, fictional civilizations inspired by classic antiquity, medieval france, dark ages barbarians and a little of the bronze age all in the same landmass. Yet, despite the massive differences between these nations, all were unified by an ethos, a sense of adventure, wonder and romanticism that inspired the imagination. Anacronisms as often appear in modern TTRPGs tend to more often than not serve to make the world mundane. Despite the overwhelming presence of magic, everything looks and feels like some dream-like version of Los Angeles, Portland or Seatle, with the same ethnic compositions, social dynamics and even foods. It isn't romantic or inspiring. This is mundane, vain, and often even ugly.
I was at work today , sorting out metals. An it occurred to me that Wizards of the coast reworked the lore so Orcs are just stereotypical latinos. Orcs are always traveling into other lands.
And few months earlier they apologized for somehow orcs representing black people which was racist. But showing orcs as latinos isn't. Woke logic is amazing.
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas..." The Book of Armaments, chapter two verses nine through twenty-one, consecrated by Saint Attila.
Recall the infamous scene in the LotR movies, when King Denethor is eating the cherry tomato while Pippin sings, and the juice runs down his chin. But it was just a raw tomato, it wasn't prepared in any sort of ethnic dish.
Again, because most people don't even know that tomatoes didn't exist in Europe before the Columbian Exchange, it doesn't really have a jarring effect.
Origins of the Hard Shell Taco The hard shell taco originated in San Bernardino, California, in the mid-20th century. According to historical accounts, Mexican Americans in the area, including Salvador and Lucia Rodriguez, who owned Mitla Cafe on Route 66, were making hard-shell tacos as early as 1937. However, the mass marketing and commercialization of the hard shell taco is attributed to Glen Bell, the founder of Taco Bell, who claimed to have invented this Mexican-American version of a Mexican dish for a fast food audience in the 1950s in San Bernardino, California. Early Innovations Before Bell’s commercialization, George Ashley of Absolute Mexican Food sold metal taco molds for making homemade taco kits in the late 1930s. This innovation allowed people to create their own hard shell tacos at home. Evolution of the Hard Shell Taco The development of the hard shell taco involved multiple individuals and entities, including Mexican immigrants, Mexican-American entrepreneurs, and food manufacturers. While it is difficult to pinpoint a single inventor, the collective efforts of these individuals contributed to the evolution of the hard shell taco into a popular fast food item. While we do eat deep fried tacos here in México they look nothing like the hard shell "tacos". That's an invention made in the USA by Americans of Mexican descent. Which is even more offensive to me, can't even botter to portray AUTHENTIC Mexican food.
I can see tacos made with soft corn tortillas, frog legs, and cactus like how the pre-contact Aztecs tamales were made with. Sushi on the other hand, I can't see working. You need two things for that to be viable; commercialized fish farms and flash freezing technology. I seriously doubt that wizards would invest in the magic to produce such a niche food.
@@SNDKNG Modern raw sushi was made popular because fish farms minimize disease and parasites, flash freezing kills any parasites that manage to survive. I once again doubt wizards are casting purify and freeze at a commercial scale for a foreign food.
And that's the problem. The artist didn't even try to make it look like a medieval representation of a "taco", they just drew a hard shell taco from Taco Bell.
The only true gamer chow ever isJolt cola, a horrifying trail mix made from espresso beans and No Doze... with the occasional Cheeto thrown in for something resembling carbohydrates.
@@tomtom7955 it's true... I don't even think jolt is on the market anymore except through some Boutique companies that have like 52 cases of it stashed away in a lead bunker somewhere
@@MARSHOMEWORLD Dollar general brought it back in a few years ago but it was hit or miss if any given store stocked it. A friend of mine manages a store and got us some in 2018 to see if it was bad as we remembered. It was.
@@tomtom7955 I have a buddy who goes on a once a year Zima Bender under the similar circumstances if he can manage to track the stuff down through the year
One tv show that was full of anachronism Hecules with Kevin Sorbo . The characters would run across a roadside vender that eludes to McDonald's. Good video friend.
No no no, every society has a dish that perfectly resembles Swedish meatballs. it's one of those great universal mysteries that will either never be explained, or would drive you mad if you ever learned the truth.
I'd like to quantify my statement. I an not a fan of WOTC. However, the meal could a casting of Heroes Frast. The more they experience other cultures, the more they could add those items to the spell.
Fro some time I have jokingly referred to the WOTC/D&D brand name obsessed masses as the Taco Bell and Pepsi logo crew. I never thought they would prove me right. 😂
Oh my God. This is the first I've heard of this new "art", and that IS a freaking taco, and that IS sushi, WotC's bullcrap word salad "spin" be damned. As an older gamer who remembers the fun of 1e this is just mind-bogglingly stupid and insulting.
I played this style of D$D with the Gen Zs for about three years. It IS fun. We would stop at our favorite pizza place in Waterdeep to talk about avoiding Manshoon and heisting the Dragon or whatever. But, I would rather be playing a more historical less gonzo style RPG. What I'm saying is, don't refuse to have fun just because you could be having more fun, but know whats more fun for you and seek that out.
I'm surprised they aren't upset over the Orcs committing cultural appropriation. Or mad at themselves for the same. The kids are lacking in history and mythology so they have no idea how a medieval game should look. They can't understand anything beyond "me" and how "I feel" about things.
Correct. That, and the magic prom, the whimsical non-combat fair, & the eat-pray-love tour of foreign night market food stalls is all the feminization of D&D
There was a new Robin Hood that upon the battle with the Prince’s men, I looked and realized that it was just a fight between the hooded protesters of antifa and riot police. At the very end, there was a dude with an Orange beanie of a shade that no medieval cloth could have made.
Someone mentioned there was a BLG livestream about you, it’s pretty funny, Pundit. They keep accusing you of being jealous of Kelsey for pointing out that some of the rules are like Lion & Dragon rules. My opinion is everything in that book is a copy paste. It’s DCC, OSE layout, Tome of adventure design, L&D, B/X, and 5e, just redundant. Then they say it’s feminine to be jealous while being emotional the whole stream. They even bring up some post you made about voting for Obama! It’s hilarious. I fell for the Obama thing also. Are we not allowed to change? Anyway, keep it up, the fact is, and he admits it, they admire your work, the one Shadowdark probably copied from!
Yeah, it was utterly idiotic. Venger & the Red Room made some statements about Shadowdark that I DISAGREED with, but they tried to paint me as the mastermind behind it because every time they do a video about me the Pundit Derangement People throw them grifter money. And I can't do anything but laugh at the thought of two metrosexuals whose favorite RPG is Vampire making the claim that I'm "feminine".
no one would be surprised if they were a couple. They showed some post you made asking if she didn’t take rules from L&D on the rpg site, therefore blaming you for all the drama. They said good books should trump bad authors so I asked why they don’t do you the same curtesy, since we know they were fans and you do the same for the basic expert, I’ve always heard you diss him but praise his Mayan rpg. They answered “you’re not fooling anyone”. They once replied “Pundit is that you?” When I complemented your work on one of their videos. They’re really paranoid about you having sock puppet accounts. One they showed had in the bio “bisexual widower living in Texas” which, if it’s yours is hilarious, well done.
I don’t know who invented the random level abilities, 1 xp system, or if you invented anything (please clarify if you would) but I do know that you always credit Lamentations of the Flame Princess as the rule set that then became Lion & Dragon. I have never heard Shadowdark ever credit anyone when not a single thing about it is original.
@@destroso random level abilities were at times considered from a relatively early time. Apparently there was some article in an early gaming magazine sometime in the late seventies or something like that which suggested it, but it never went anywhere and was forgotten. After that, when the osr started to happen there were a couple of blogs or articles that suggested it again. There was an article suggesting it in the short-lived LotFP periodical "green devil face". I never saw it in an actual D&D based book until I put it in the appendix P of Dark Albion. Around the same time apparently jackass put it in Red & Pleasant Land, but I've never read that book so can't confirm. Then of course I've used it in pretty much all of my games after Albion.
@@destroso the 1xp system is basically my own devising, I suppose there might be other similar ideas but I've never really seen that. There were some games in the d20 era onwards that suggested you should as a DM just level people up whenever you feel like it. But the one XP system is more stable than that, and removes any requirement of metagame behaviors on gaining XP.
Honestly in a world where magic can auto make food and stuff foods that are invented hundreds of years later in our world would probably happen sooner with magic Also pho is Vietnamese and another version of rice wrapped in seaweed so as long as the inn they're eating at is near the coast it would probably happen
If it really were Gonzo it would be kind of cool, but I'm afraid that this is not real Gonzo, it's a childish and feminized distant relative of Gonzo that is best described as "OMG so random".
I think there's another angle here, and the choice of tacos and sushi isn't primarily about diversity. There's any number of ethnic foods from cultures more in need of representation that they could have chosen, and the Japanese are basically white to wokists. Tacos and sushi are meme foods for today's young people, like bacon and pizza used to be. I think this is primarily about pandering.
The thing about tacos and sushi are that they are both very recognizable as being also specifically ethnic. Yes you could say that maybe some kind of African dish might have more wokeness points, but it would be harder for the average person to recognize what it's meant to be. Whereas tacos and sushi basically can't be mistaken for anything other than that.
It's fun mixing modern elements in RPGs. Most people who are not medieval historical miniature players do. If that is how you enjoy the game , good for you, but I don't get what you are mad at.
My longest running campaign of all time (11.5+ years now, about 300 sessions or 1650 hours of play) is the World of the Last Sun, which is really really Gonzo. I've written a setting book for it, and the Gonzo Fantasy Companion for people who want to add Gonzo to their game. That's not the issue. The issue is that this is a multinational corporation, sending a combination of subliminal and overt messages telling players that this is what all campaigns should be like.
The art should reflect what you are getting into. Best example, in D&D 6e (5.5, One D&D or whatever) has, most of the time, people Lying around without a care in the world. Good for you if it speaks to you and your players. In BoF, on the other hand, has battle harden warriors, political intrigue, war torn environments, death, rising up againts tyranny, good Vs evil; now that is something that I want to play in an RPG.
Precisely! And the images that aren't explicitly heroic are meant to show you what the world is supposed to be like. We have to assume that in WotC's books the art is doing the same thing: they want you to play in Fantasy Seattle with 2024 values.
I won't buy the book and I loathe WotC. But, for better or worse, Isekai is part of the 21st century zeitgeist. So, anyone from earth could have introduced these recipes. Even so, I don't really care what WotC does.
That is irrelevant. You can't have 21st century multicultural restaurant culture without having a post-industrial society. And that's not the point, the point is they want everyone to run D&D as 2024 Seattle in Renfaire cosplay.
My wizard likes to eat cheeseburgers in the dungeon! Hasbro and most larger gaming companies (computers inc.) lost the plot completely about five years ago. They are full of useless talentless mediocre designers and developers who didn't get the job based on ability and track record. Oh and good for you for laughing off the rubbish thrown your way this week over Shadowdark. You are spot on, it's an okay game with excellent production values but it's nothing special. Rock on Mr.Pundit.
@RPGPundit sushi has existed well before the medieval time period, while hard corn shell tortillas are less than 150 years old, the technology to make them is accessible to a medieval society assuming they had access to corn.
The point is that there would be multicultural food service areas, with restaurant style preparation. The picture isn't of 14th century Sushi, it's of modern day Seattle Food-truck Sushi.
Or just play something other than WoTC D&D? Tales of the Valiant is great! As for "anachronistic" things, I'm using Zobeck, the crossroads city, so, as far as I'm concerned, different foods and drinks and even clothing is all possible there. Sure, the OVERALL feel of the city is renaissance Italy in clothing, guilds and outlook...merchant lord families like the Borgia, for example. But, the city gets visited by the flying cities that are definitely Caliph/Muslim in style and presentation and the city itself, the patron goddess is Rada, the clockwork god and there are mechanicals/droids in the city AND firearms, along with an entire college of magic! Very cosmopolitan. If that's what you want to present, lean into it! If you want to present an English style campaign, lean into that?
I have a famously long running Gonzo campaign, World of the Last Sun (which also became a best-selling book). So this isn't about that. It's about WotC, which sets the tone for new players and is teaching them that the default setting is 2024 Seattle in Renfaire cosplay.
@@RPGPundit Yeah, I get that. I guess I was just offering a way to either use the "ever culture is relevant" mindset or reject it. Believe me, I'm on board with screw WoTC and D&D? As I said, we love ToV.
Parkinson, caldwell, elmore, otus were grand d and d artists. I never cared for 3e, pf art and 5e never really impressed and seems to have steadily declined. The art i saw in the previews didnt inspire much sense of adventure or derring do which is rather odd given this is an adventure game.
Damn, I just got back from delving the Shadowdark BS and asking the fans what makes it so great is like asking CNN saps what trump is lying about. What does this have to do with D$D? Nothing.
Yeah, I gotta say, you aggravate me sometimes Pundit but at least you put some thought behind what you say. That BLG video dissing you dismissed ANY complaints you had about Shadowdark as pure envy. I had to unsubscribe from BLG because they weren't being serious people.
@@RPGPundit Maybe... but it's not a great example. It's a lame spell that has given players a license to flavor like this for 10 years. It's just reflecting how groups use it, not trying to push anything. I think wotc has a reasonable idea of their market, and some art like this speaks to one segment. Thankfully not all the art is like that, just like there's no erasing the better representation of orcs, etc out there.
Is this really any different from Tolkien’s use of tobacco in Middle Earth? Except that we should have higher standards for Tolkien than DnD popcorn fantasy?
There's a huge difference. First, it's a legacy from fantasy, from the single most important fantasy author of the 20th century. Second, it isn't just there to send a contemporary ideological message.
@@RPGPundit Is it? I think it’s more likely a lazy artist who likes tacos and sushi; both are very popular food in America, especially the West Coast. In this case I’ll ascribe it to sloth than any kind of ideological agenda. The bigger issue, to me, is just how terrible the subject matter is. I recall a piece of 3e art that had adventurers assembled around a table, with some kind of map on it, studying it as they drank. With the nice dangerous touches of daggers stuck into the corners of the map. It wasn’t inherently exciting, but it promised future excitement. This is a picture of a little dude who’s ecstatic to eat a goddamn taco.
Look almost all of the art in the PHB has certain similar qualities. It has to represent the widest diversity of races and genders possible in the context of the image, and it generally shouldn't show characters doing heroic things. It should have cutesy poo elements as a rule. Those are very clear guidelines to the whole style of the new book. So at the very least the artist was told that they should do an image of a multiracial multi-gendered group of people eating a meal, and that this meal should include non-western dishes so as not to be racist. From there I can certainly imagine based on the look of this that the artist found a stock photo of a group of diverse people eating a weird collection of plates at a restaurant and just traced it, because that's definitely what it looks like. It certainly possible that the tacos and the sushi were just part of the photograph. But the reason there would have been the same it would have been a stock photo of people eating multicultural food.
I don't think there can be anachronism here, or in any case, any new anachronism. As you mentioned, early DnD with Gary and Dave didn't care much about emulating a specific historical period. Their worlds were historically impossible - medieval settings with no serfs, early modern coinage monetary systems, mixed eras of military equipment, etc. What's changed recently with DnD is *which* period is being historically tortured. Since Critical Role, high-vis DnD games have focused on the early modern period. There's nothing wrong with this, it's not for me, but it is a cultural tension with older-school gamers. It's not an attempt to irk you and I don't get why you think it is
Regardless of that, you cannot have multicultural resto-pubs without a post-industrial civilization. The point is it can't be explained, and you're not supposed to explain it. You're supposed to run your game world as Seattle 2024 in Renfaire cosplay.
@@RPGPundit As a matter of history I don't think thats true. Gastropubs arguably have roots in the Roman popinae. Medieval Chinese Kaifeng served delicacies from far-flung regions in its restaurants. and while I loathe the fantasy of the petty landowning innkeep, it's not absurd to connect locations like caravanserai with their varied ("multicultural" if you prefer) gastronomies with the European cultural equivalent of tavern/inn/pub
Historically speaking always depends on the lore of the fantasy world in which you play, therefore, we must look at the historical lore of Greyhawk and the Forgotten Realms as the default settings for these books... *but* the people who made these books in WotC have already stated that they despise the lore, historical or not. They simply, carte blanche, despise the lore of greyhawk and the Forgotten Realms because the ones who created it where not of their modern political persuasion and even though they never can be, that is a sin for which they will never be forgiven. Therefore their malicious intent to do as much damage subtly or overtly as possible to the creations of these people all the while making money off of their names is the true and most essential wrong of this issue. They're not including these things because it is all right to be loose with the lore, as a light hearted eye rolling bit of quirky silliness, they include these things to be as counter to the lore as possible and then ostracize _you_ for pointing it out. It is a test for whose side you are on in a culture War that they have infected a hobby with deliberately. Their aim is not to enrich but to dilute, each furthering absurdity they demand you accept is Evermore farther and farther away from the original Source material and it is done so with utter contempt and disrespect. This is why it is important to point this out, you may simply shrug at their excuse of plausible deniability, but the rest of us have seen what they're actually saying and what they actually intend to do behind the curtain of their corporate facade. They are Poison to the things you love because they hate it, and they hate you because you love _it_ and not what _they_ demand you love. Don't give these people your money, don't use apologetics or excuses for their tresspasd, or they will ruin more of what you love.
@@mangamanx3490 I think this line of thinking makes no sense. WOTC isn't run by a bunch of college freshmen at Columbia. It's a bunch of boardroom execs. You're right that they don't care about lore, that's because all they care about is money.
The "shadowdark people", if by that you mean fans of Shadowdark, weren't talking about me. They were of course talking about what really happened, which was what Venger said, and to a lesser degree what the Red Room said. The ones talking about me were the BroSR and the grifter youtubers that pander to them.
Innkeep! Get me a flagon of iced raspberry kombucha and a double order of avocado toast with the crusts removed!
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That actually sounds fun.
I hate how much I love avocado toast sometimes lol, I feel called out.
@@Naruga It’s just like that old Joan Jett song.
Tacos are now a traditional orc cuisine. To go along with all of them being Mexican now.
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While we can all cringe at that art, it was specifically for a Wild West Magic the Gathering setting, IIRC.
@@HammerheadStarcraft no that was an illustration that was in the races section of the new phb, meant to specifically illustrate what the new orcs look like.
@@HammerheadStarcraft The Mexican Orcs is directly from the Orc section of the new player's handbook.
LOL I was about to write the same thing, but you beat me to it.
The fact that a Tiefling and an Orc are dining with a Halfling and an Elf is the most disturbing part! This would never stand at my table.
What some people don't seem to get is that there's tasteful ways to deal with anachronism. A setting like the Hyborian Age, for example, joined Ancient Egypt, fictional civilizations inspired by classic antiquity, medieval france, dark ages barbarians and a little of the bronze age all in the same landmass. Yet, despite the massive differences between these nations, all were unified by an ethos, a sense of adventure, wonder and romanticism that inspired the imagination.
Anacronisms as often appear in modern TTRPGs tend to more often than not serve to make the world mundane. Despite the overwhelming presence of magic, everything looks and feels like some dream-like version of Los Angeles, Portland or Seatle, with the same ethnic compositions, social dynamics and even foods. It isn't romantic or inspiring. This is mundane, vain, and often even ugly.
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Verisimilitude is vital in fantasy.
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I was at work today , sorting out metals.
An it occurred to me that Wizards of the coast reworked the lore so Orcs are just stereotypical latinos.
Orcs are always traveling into other lands.
Yup. They're definitely not being shy about it.
And few months earlier they apologized for somehow orcs representing black people which was racist. But showing orcs as latinos isn't. Woke logic is amazing.
@@aleksanderalechin8466 It's not logic at all. It's thought fashion.
@@dane3038 True.
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas..."
The Book of Armaments, chapter two verses nine through twenty-one, consecrated by Saint Attila.
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There is also a little cocktail umbrella in the drink close to the sushi.
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We gotta make Nu5e stick
Dusting off the old Maztica campaign setting for Corn, Tacos, Tequila and Chocolate.
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Old school artists signed their work with pride. The new 'artists' are so embarrassed they never sign their garbage.
That's a big change I noticed.
Very good point. Is it shame, or because they just traced it from stock photos, or both?
I think that 5e "artists" are under directives not to sign their work, so not to get poached by other companies.
What do you mean my Holy Avenger Glock and +5 Battle Bougatti are anachronistic. I just wanna eat tacos while slayin' dragons like a real G.
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I feel like we as a community should Taco bout it ;)
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Recall the infamous scene in the LotR movies, when King Denethor is eating the cherry tomato while Pippin sings, and the juice runs down his chin. But it was just a raw tomato, it wasn't prepared in any sort of ethnic dish.
Again, because most people don't even know that tomatoes didn't exist in Europe before the Columbian Exchange, it doesn't really have a jarring effect.
Origins of the Hard Shell Taco
The hard shell taco originated in San Bernardino, California, in the mid-20th century. According to historical accounts, Mexican Americans in the area, including Salvador and Lucia Rodriguez, who owned Mitla Cafe on Route 66, were making hard-shell tacos as early as 1937.
However, the mass marketing and commercialization of the hard shell taco is attributed to Glen Bell, the founder of Taco Bell, who claimed to have invented this Mexican-American version of a Mexican dish for a fast food audience in the 1950s in San Bernardino, California.
Early Innovations
Before Bell’s commercialization, George Ashley of Absolute Mexican Food sold metal taco molds for making homemade taco kits in the late 1930s. This innovation allowed people to create their own hard shell tacos at home.
Evolution of the Hard Shell Taco
The development of the hard shell taco involved multiple individuals and entities, including Mexican immigrants, Mexican-American entrepreneurs, and food manufacturers. While it is difficult to pinpoint a single inventor, the collective efforts of these individuals contributed to the evolution of the hard shell taco into a popular fast food item.
While we do eat deep fried tacos here in México they look nothing like the hard shell "tacos".
That's an invention made in the USA by Americans of Mexican descent.
Which is even more offensive to me, can't even botter to portray AUTHENTIC Mexican food.
Fascinating, thank you for this!
I can see tacos made with soft corn tortillas, frog legs, and cactus like how the pre-contact Aztecs tamales were made with. Sushi on the other hand, I can't see working. You need two things for that to be viable; commercialized fish farms and flash freezing technology. I seriously doubt that wizards would invest in the magic to produce such a niche food.
Sushi was invented 200 years ago, long before flash freezing
@@SNDKNG That was fermented sushi.
@@steambub No, you're thinking of things they made 100 years before that
@@SNDKNG Modern raw sushi was made popular because fish farms minimize disease and parasites, flash freezing kills any parasites that manage to survive. I once again doubt wizards are casting purify and freeze at a commercial scale for a foreign food.
Most forms of sushi are Edo period. Fermented sushi is older still.
It's a Taco Bell hard shell taco
And that's the problem. The artist didn't even try to make it look like a medieval representation of a "taco", they just drew a hard shell taco from Taco Bell.
No lord would consume anything less than a Doritos Locos taco.
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It's all due to not knowing how to mix reality with fantasy in a coherent way, but what can you expect from contracted on DEI who are without merit?
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The only true gamer chow ever isJolt cola, a horrifying trail mix made from espresso beans and No Doze... with the occasional Cheeto thrown in for something resembling carbohydrates.
telling everyone your old without telling everyone your old I see, lol. I never did like the taste myself.
@@tomtom7955 it's true... I don't even think jolt is on the market anymore except through some Boutique companies that have like 52 cases of it stashed away in a lead bunker somewhere
@@MARSHOMEWORLD Dollar general brought it back in a few years ago but it was hit or miss if any given store stocked it. A friend of mine manages a store and got us some in 2018 to see if it was bad as we remembered. It was.
@@tomtom7955 I have a buddy who goes on a once a year Zima Bender under the similar circumstances if he can manage to track the stuff down through the year
One tv show that was full of anachronism Hecules with Kevin Sorbo . The characters would run across a roadside vender that eludes to McDonald's. Good video friend.
Hercules and Xena have aged like milk in an August sun.
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No no no, every society has a dish that perfectly resembles Swedish meatballs. it's one of those great universal mysteries that will either never be explained, or would drive you mad if you ever learned the truth.
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I'd like to quantify my statement. I an not a fan of WOTC. However, the meal could a casting of Heroes Frast. The more they experience other cultures, the more they could add those items to the spell.
That doesn't change the principle of what I'm saying. Its still imposing a 2024 cultural viewpoint.
@RPGPundit True, these tourists have no imagination, and everything in the game must have some sort of real-world analog for their self-insertions.
This is the best thing I ever saw.
Remember you can get a Starbucks coffee in Westeros.
Thank God! I now don’t have to buy 50 pundit presents and can have them in one tome! I imagine the Pundit files will get a similar treatment?
Eventually.
Fro some time I have jokingly referred to the WOTC/D&D brand name obsessed masses as the Taco Bell and Pepsi logo crew.
I never thought they would prove me right. 😂
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Oh my God. This is the first I've heard of this new "art", and that IS a freaking taco, and that IS sushi, WotC's bullcrap word salad "spin" be damned. As an older gamer who remembers the fun of 1e this is just mind-bogglingly stupid and insulting.
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It looks like a magic chalupa to me.
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I played this style of D$D with the Gen Zs for about three years. It IS fun. We would stop at our favorite pizza place in Waterdeep to talk about avoiding Manshoon and heisting the Dragon or whatever. But, I would rather be playing a more historical less gonzo style RPG. What I'm saying is, don't refuse to have fun just because you could be having more fun, but know whats more fun for you and seek that out.
I'm surprised they aren't upset over the Orcs committing cultural appropriation. Or mad at themselves for the same. The kids are lacking in history and mythology so they have no idea how a medieval game should look. They can't understand anything beyond "me" and how "I feel" about things.
They're PROUD of the Mexican Orcs.
17:26 regarding the tomato; have you considered that absolutely no one playing D and D has ever referred to tomatoes in their game ever!
im being gang stalked by doppelgangers
Regarding the taco feast art, the correct designation for what is depicted there is "female power fantasy"
Correct. That, and the magic prom, the whimsical non-combat fair, & the eat-pray-love tour of foreign night market food stalls is all the feminization of D&D
I am glad my female players love to kill shit.
There was a new Robin Hood that upon the battle with the Prince’s men, I looked and realized that it was just a fight between the hooded protesters of antifa and riot police. At the very end, there was a dude with an Orange beanie of a shade that no medieval cloth could have made.
I just don't bother with new TV shows unless I get very reliable recommendations that it isn't Woke garbage. Otherwise it's safe to assume it is.
Someone mentioned there was a BLG livestream about you, it’s pretty funny, Pundit. They keep accusing you of being jealous of Kelsey for pointing out that some of the rules are like Lion & Dragon rules. My opinion is everything in that book is a copy paste. It’s DCC, OSE layout, Tome of adventure design, L&D, B/X, and 5e, just redundant. Then they say it’s feminine to be jealous while being emotional the whole stream. They even bring up some post you made about voting for Obama! It’s hilarious. I fell for the Obama thing also. Are we not allowed to change? Anyway, keep it up, the fact is, and he admits it, they admire your work, the one Shadowdark probably copied from!
Yeah, it was utterly idiotic. Venger & the Red Room made some statements about Shadowdark that I DISAGREED with, but they tried to paint me as the mastermind behind it because every time they do a video about me the Pundit Derangement People throw them grifter money.
And I can't do anything but laugh at the thought of two metrosexuals whose favorite RPG is Vampire making the claim that I'm "feminine".
no one would be surprised if they were a couple. They showed some post you made asking if she didn’t take rules from L&D on the rpg site, therefore blaming you for all the drama.
They said good books should trump bad authors so I asked why they don’t do you the same curtesy, since we know they were fans and you do the same for the basic expert, I’ve always heard you diss him but praise his Mayan rpg. They answered “you’re not fooling anyone”. They once replied “Pundit is that you?” When I complemented your work on one of their videos. They’re really paranoid about you having sock puppet accounts. One they showed had in the bio “bisexual widower living in Texas” which, if it’s yours is hilarious, well done.
I don’t know who invented the random level abilities, 1 xp system, or if you invented anything (please clarify if you would) but I do know that you always credit Lamentations of the Flame Princess as the rule set that then became Lion & Dragon. I have never heard Shadowdark ever credit anyone when not a single thing about it is original.
@@destroso random level abilities were at times considered from a relatively early time. Apparently there was some article in an early gaming magazine sometime in the late seventies or something like that which suggested it, but it never went anywhere and was forgotten.
After that, when the osr started to happen there were a couple of blogs or articles that suggested it again. There was an article suggesting it in the short-lived LotFP periodical "green devil face".
I never saw it in an actual D&D based book until I put it in the appendix P of Dark Albion.
Around the same time apparently jackass put it in Red & Pleasant Land, but I've never read that book so can't confirm.
Then of course I've used it in pretty much all of my games after Albion.
@@destroso the 1xp system is basically my own devising, I suppose there might be other similar ideas but I've never really seen that. There were some games in the d20 era onwards that suggested you should as a DM just level people up whenever you feel like it. But the one XP system is more stable than that, and removes any requirement of metagame behaviors on gaining XP.
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Honestly in a world where magic can auto make food and stuff foods that are invented hundreds of years later in our world would probably happen sooner with magic
Also pho is Vietnamese and another version of rice wrapped in seaweed so as long as the inn they're eating at is near the coast it would probably happen
No it wouldn't because the very conception of it would not be present. That's not how a pre-industrial mind works.
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I really have to listen to those bill the elf videos.
They're pretty great! As of today he's also started doing word-to-audio of my early blog entry logs
Maybe Nu D&D is actually more Gonzo than we expected?
If it really were Gonzo it would be kind of cool, but I'm afraid that this is not real Gonzo, it's a childish and feminized distant relative of Gonzo that is best described as "OMG so random".
@@RPGPundit Right, the designers are definitly marketing towards the modern childish and feminized DEI culture.
I think there's another angle here, and the choice of tacos and sushi isn't primarily about diversity. There's any number of ethnic foods from cultures more in need of representation that they could have chosen, and the Japanese are basically white to wokists. Tacos and sushi are meme foods for today's young people, like bacon and pizza used to be. I think this is primarily about pandering.
The thing about tacos and sushi are that they are both very recognizable as being also specifically ethnic. Yes you could say that maybe some kind of African dish might have more wokeness points, but it would be harder for the average person to recognize what it's meant to be. Whereas tacos and sushi basically can't be mistaken for anything other than that.
It's fun mixing modern elements in RPGs. Most people who are not medieval historical miniature players do. If that is how you enjoy the game , good for you, but I don't get what you are mad at.
My longest running campaign of all time (11.5+ years now, about 300 sessions or 1650 hours of play) is the World of the Last Sun, which is really really Gonzo. I've written a setting book for it, and the Gonzo Fantasy Companion for people who want to add Gonzo to their game. That's not the issue.
The issue is that this is a multinational corporation, sending a combination of subliminal and overt messages telling players that this is what all campaigns should be like.
The art should reflect what you are getting into.
Best example, in D&D 6e (5.5, One D&D or whatever) has, most of the time, people Lying around without a care in the world. Good for you if it speaks to you and your players.
In BoF, on the other hand, has battle harden warriors, political intrigue, war torn environments, death, rising up againts tyranny, good Vs evil; now that is something that I want to play in an RPG.
Precisely! And the images that aren't explicitly heroic are meant to show you what the world is supposed to be like. We have to assume that in WotC's books the art is doing the same thing: they want you to play in Fantasy Seattle with 2024 values.
@@RPGPundit perfectly summed up! Tx pundit.
I won't buy the book and I loathe WotC. But, for better or worse, Isekai is part of the 21st century zeitgeist. So, anyone from earth could have introduced these recipes. Even so, I don't really care what WotC does.
That is irrelevant. You can't have 21st century multicultural restaurant culture without having a post-industrial society. And that's not the point, the point is they want everyone to run D&D as 2024 Seattle in Renfaire cosplay.
My wizard likes to eat cheeseburgers in the dungeon!
Hasbro and most larger gaming companies (computers inc.) lost the plot completely about five years ago. They are full of useless talentless mediocre designers and developers who didn't get the job based on ability and track record.
Oh and good for you for laughing off the rubbish thrown your way this week over Shadowdark. You are spot on, it's an okay game with excellent production values but it's nothing special.
Rock on Mr.Pundit.
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In a setting where people can communicate and teleport across any distance, cross cultural effects is to be expected.
But not post-industrial commercial production or cultural aspects.
@RPGPundit sushi has existed well before the medieval time period, while hard corn shell tortillas are less than 150 years old, the technology to make them is accessible to a medieval society assuming they had access to corn.
The point is that there would be multicultural food service areas, with restaurant style preparation. The picture isn't of 14th century Sushi, it's of modern day Seattle Food-truck Sushi.
Or just play something other than WoTC D&D? Tales of the Valiant is great! As for "anachronistic" things, I'm using Zobeck, the crossroads city, so, as far as I'm concerned, different foods and drinks and even clothing is all possible there. Sure, the OVERALL feel of the city is renaissance Italy in clothing, guilds and outlook...merchant lord families like the Borgia, for example. But, the city gets visited by the flying cities that are definitely Caliph/Muslim in style and presentation and the city itself, the patron goddess is Rada, the clockwork god and there are mechanicals/droids in the city AND firearms, along with an entire college of magic! Very cosmopolitan. If that's what you want to present, lean into it! If you want to present an English style campaign, lean into that?
I have a famously long running Gonzo campaign, World of the Last Sun (which also became a best-selling book). So this isn't about that.
It's about WotC, which sets the tone for new players and is teaching them that the default setting is 2024 Seattle in Renfaire cosplay.
@@RPGPundit Yeah, I get that. I guess I was just offering a way to either use the "ever culture is relevant" mindset or reject it. Believe me, I'm on board with screw WoTC and D&D? As I said, we love ToV.
Parkinson, caldwell, elmore, otus were grand d and d artists. I never cared for 3e, pf art and 5e never really impressed and seems to have steadily declined. The art i saw in the previews didnt inspire much sense of adventure or derring do which is rather odd given this is an adventure game.
3e had some solid pieces (Baxa, Lockwood, Reynolds), but yes, I sorely miss the oil paintings.
This artistic climate, I fear, may never be replicated.
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Damn, I just got back from delving the Shadowdark BS and asking the fans what makes it so great is like asking CNN saps what trump is lying about. What does this have to do with D$D? Nothing.
Yeah, I gotta say, you aggravate me sometimes Pundit but at least you put some thought behind what you say. That BLG video dissing you dismissed ANY complaints you had about Shadowdark as pure envy. I had to unsubscribe from BLG because they weren't being serious people.
I'm glad you weren't fooled by their nonsense. I'm sure some people were.
The taco is glowing. It is not a tavern. It is magical. It is heroes feast.
Doesn't really change the principle of what I'm saying. It's still pushing 2024 culture into the game.
@@RPGPundit Maybe... but it's not a great example. It's a lame spell that has given players a license to flavor like this for 10 years. It's just reflecting how groups use it, not trying to push anything. I think wotc has a reasonable idea of their market, and some art like this speaks to one segment. Thankfully not all the art is like that, just like there's no erasing the better representation of orcs, etc out there.
@@ZaxPBG the vast majority of the art in the book is pushing the same culture
Did anyone expect anything better?🤔
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Is this really any different from Tolkien’s use of tobacco in Middle Earth? Except that we should have higher standards for Tolkien than DnD popcorn fantasy?
There's a huge difference. First, it's a legacy from fantasy, from the single most important fantasy author of the 20th century. Second, it isn't just there to send a contemporary ideological message.
@@RPGPundit Is it? I think it’s more likely a lazy artist who likes tacos and sushi; both are very popular food in America, especially the West Coast. In this case I’ll ascribe it to sloth than any kind of ideological agenda.
The bigger issue, to me, is just how terrible the subject matter is. I recall a piece of 3e art that had adventurers assembled around a table, with some kind of map on it, studying it as they drank. With the nice dangerous touches of daggers stuck into the corners of the map. It wasn’t inherently exciting, but it promised future excitement.
This is a picture of a little dude who’s ecstatic to eat a goddamn taco.
Look almost all of the art in the PHB has certain similar qualities. It has to represent the widest diversity of races and genders possible in the context of the image, and it generally shouldn't show characters doing heroic things. It should have cutesy poo elements as a rule.
Those are very clear guidelines to the whole style of the new book.
So at the very least the artist was told that they should do an image of a multiracial multi-gendered group of people eating a meal, and that this meal should include non-western dishes so as not to be racist.
From there I can certainly imagine based on the look of this that the artist found a stock photo of a group of diverse people eating a weird collection of plates at a restaurant and just traced it, because that's definitely what it looks like. It certainly possible that the tacos and the sushi were just part of the photograph. But the reason there would have been the same it would have been a stock photo of people eating multicultural food.
I don't think there can be anachronism here, or in any case, any new anachronism. As you mentioned, early DnD with Gary and Dave didn't care much about emulating a specific historical period. Their worlds were historically impossible - medieval settings with no serfs, early modern coinage monetary systems, mixed eras of military equipment, etc. What's changed recently with DnD is *which* period is being historically tortured. Since Critical Role, high-vis DnD games have focused on the early modern period. There's nothing wrong with this, it's not for me, but it is a cultural tension with older-school gamers. It's not an attempt to irk you and I don't get why you think it is
Regardless of that, you cannot have multicultural resto-pubs without a post-industrial civilization.
The point is it can't be explained, and you're not supposed to explain it. You're supposed to run your game world as Seattle 2024 in Renfaire cosplay.
@@RPGPundit As a matter of history I don't think thats true. Gastropubs arguably have roots in the Roman popinae. Medieval Chinese Kaifeng served delicacies from far-flung regions in its restaurants. and while I loathe the fantasy of the petty landowning innkeep, it's not absurd to connect locations like caravanserai with their varied ("multicultural" if you prefer) gastronomies with the European cultural equivalent of tavern/inn/pub
Historically speaking always depends on the lore of the fantasy world in which you play, therefore, we must look at the historical lore of Greyhawk and the Forgotten Realms as the default settings for these books... *but* the people who made these books in WotC have already stated that they despise the lore, historical or not.
They simply, carte blanche, despise the lore of greyhawk and the Forgotten Realms because the ones who created it where not of their modern political persuasion and even though they never can be, that is a sin for which they will never be forgiven. Therefore their malicious intent to do as much damage subtly or overtly as possible to the creations of these people all the while making money off of their names is the true and most essential wrong of this issue.
They're not including these things because it is all right to be loose with the lore, as a light hearted eye rolling bit of quirky silliness, they include these things to be as counter to the lore as possible and then ostracize _you_ for pointing it out. It is a test for whose side you are on in a culture War that they have infected a hobby with deliberately. Their aim is not to enrich but to dilute, each furthering absurdity they demand you accept is Evermore farther and farther away from the original Source material and it is done so with utter contempt and disrespect.
This is why it is important to point this out, you may simply shrug at their excuse of plausible deniability, but the rest of us have seen what they're actually saying and what they actually intend to do behind the curtain of their corporate facade. They are Poison to the things you love because they hate it, and they hate you because you love _it_ and not what _they_ demand you love.
Don't give these people your money, don't use apologetics or excuses for their tresspasd, or they will ruin more of what you love.
@@mangamanx3490 I think this line of thinking makes no sense. WOTC isn't run by a bunch of college freshmen at Columbia. It's a bunch of boardroom execs. You're right that they don't care about lore, that's because all they care about is money.
@@mangamanx3490 don't forget what they did to Dragonlance too
The Shadowdark people aren't right wing
The "shadowdark people", if by that you mean fans of Shadowdark, weren't talking about me. They were of course talking about what really happened, which was what Venger said, and to a lesser degree what the Red Room said.
The ones talking about me were the BroSR and the grifter youtubers that pander to them.
@@RPGPundit Can you be more specific with who is considered the BroSR?
Jeffro Johnson and his cronies.
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what a nothing burger. It’s a fine picture. Tacos was probably something added for fun