Nobody mentions that, it seems, but Liquid didn't just win without losing a map, they didn't lose a single racks! They lost a single T3 tower in the whole playoff stage...
Players like Topson and Ceb get all the attention for their risky overextensions and rampages, and that type of play is definitely more exciting, but it's so much more difficult to defend than it is to rack up kills, and it wins way more games. Don't forget what the D in Dota used to stand for. In the lower brackets, people seem to think it means "deathmatch".
@synderen I made the onion dog and soda cats shirts for you! Unfortunately I wasn't able to go to TI, but it's cool that someone was able to use my design :D
Hey!! Thanks so much for the original shirt and design. We love it at home and I wear it a lot :D. It's one of the best gifts I've ever received from a fan!
Hey Sunsfan, your sick-voice cast really wasn't bad at all. It was obvious you were falling sick but it was still an enjoyable listen regardless! Take care next TI!!
For rosh pit, it would be interesting if the pit is actually a another portal going to underhollow, the same with TI8 battlepass mini game Meaning when you enter the pit, you wont see Roshan but you are teleporting to Underhollow, another map.
Just want to thank you again. I had to go to my car to get my wallet to buy the we say things shirt. Thankfully that's when I closed my windows before the huge rain storm that night
Bought one of your new shirts assuming Sunsfan would make comfy merch, was correct very nice and comfy with fast shipping. Only issue for me was its a bit smaller for the size I bought than normal.
Hey Sunsfan if you think getting in shape is hard I have a hack for you. Look up the 30 minute squat challenge, you'll have to battle through the discomfort but it becomes so worth it.
Hey guys, just catching the podcast today, have a suggestion for merch. Any thoughts on a keychain? Maybe of the horse? On that same vein, what about lanyards?
Don't worry synderman, I'm completely fine. You don't have to feel bad. You didnt infect me with anything. I have a strong immune system. Also I didn't get to attend TI. So I wasn't anywhere near you. But lets focus on the positive!
The aura meta has been here for so long that whichever teams are ahead and got the items will end up winning inevitably. Synderan sums it up pretty much with - teams get ahead, teams win. When you see a team is ahead by 20 mins, i personally just switch off. Even on highlights i dont bother to watch it because by the middle of the video it was clear one team will win it.
does anyone know where I can watch the synderen wholesome video part? Maybe someone knows on what day between what games it was? It's not in the International 2024 content playlist and I don't wanna dig through all the days streams
Finally the show is back, glad to see it! SUNSfan, sorry you got sick; if that ruined your chance to cast Grand Finals as was rumored. Having finished TI13, the collective opinion is that it’s one of worst one ever, maybe the worst; for both in-person and online viewers. Numerous pauses and delays in the games, several potentially game-altering or at least noticeable bugs (Saksa Mirana Leap, Quinn Puck Phase Shift, Ramzes Doom Scorched Earth), terrible arena setup with it not in the center so the screens were hard to see for most people, non-existent opening ceremony, nothing extra for anyone to do in the arena, barely any extra content in between games like player interviews or content pieces, no water bottles allowed (seriously wtf) with shit food options, no Late Game or after show, a mostly bland boring meta where some heroes having too much HP or insane Facets or both with some of the worst hero variety ever at a TI resulting in almost all 2-0 stomps and a third straight boring 3-0 finals. Oh and the most expensive TI ticket to date. BUT OTHER THAN ALL THAT, IT WENT GREAT. Fuck PGL. People shit on TI4; and yes TI4 had the dumb format and the eventual deathball Grand Finals, but the games leading up to the Grand Finals were good, and it was also the first time in a big arena; the Techies reveal in the All-Star match was great. TI4 had good vibes for parts of it.
I think the main reason people dislike PGL is that their productions don't 'feel good' for the audience. With TI13 it's the lack of activities for attendees. They cut cost too much and therefore trim the QoLs from events and it just doesn't feel good. Sure they handle the core production very well and professionally, but good events are not just about the basic production, it's also the flairs and vibes. TI was like a good hotel, but this is The freaking International man, it should be more like a luxurious 5-star resort where it feels like THE biggest, most prestigious event of the year. PGL definitely trims too much of the fat and it makes their events boring.
SHOP REVIEW: I bought your mug. Idk how but the quality is visibly above any mug I've ever had. This print is never coming off, it's part of the mug? Wtf? I'm gonna have to get a shirt or a hoodie now. Also the handle fits perfectly which is a weird thing to have to say but I've noticed all my mugs are not very comfortable to hold. Also also, the inside of the handle is somehow unslippery, which again is weird and I've never seen on any of my mugs. Do you guys even make any profit on these?
I've watched every TI other than last year. And this one was definitely the least exciting to me. Not only was it 2-0 basically every series, but the games didn't really feel close. Sure they weren't all stomps but I felt like the majority of the games didn't have the tension of who will win for long. And the teamifights, they generally felt like the teams went in and did their thing and it either works or doesn't and not ok guys we need some great play to win. I'm exaggerating a bit but yeah. Later on I wasn't expecting to see great plays and memorable moments. Later on I wasn't expecting any big memorable moments.
The new TI format just sucks, it creates easy runs to high finishes so we have a lot of less competitive games, theres less opportunities for top teams to play each other, and we dont get as many intra-regional rivalries (sometimes some of the most fun games). It doesnt feel like we get a real 'TI meta' anymore cause teams just dont play each other often enough to develop counter drafts and the short break gives teams opportunities to just figure everything out and it all becomes too 'solved' and boring
Agreed. In terms of games/meta, this was definitely the worst TI and I have watched every TI since 2013. Not a surprise at all as I hated the meta long before TI even started.
the production quality of this ti as a online viewer was shit. the audio on youtube was clipping bad. on twitch was okay. until they tried to mix the crowd mics in. it was full of echo. the sound production was really really bad. it really ruins the experience because the sound of the crowd is important especially in the finals. and every time they tried to mix it in it was just full of echo. it sounded like a 100 man discord call. compared to last years TI it looked (and sounded like) a small LAN by perfect world.
@@imtryinghere1 i thought so, then i looked at the chat and reddit which reported the same issues. i also checked on my tv and phone same thing. it was sad 3 days to have ears
I watched every single game on youtube (yes I'm a degen) and never had a single audio issue. My guess is it's a TH-cam/CDN issue, not anything to do with the production. TH-cam live streaming is a second class citizen.
I had the same issues. Maybe u guys just don’t hear shit like that but the caster audio was constantly clipping. Compared to other esport events the quality was actually really bad. From the terrible produced content bits. To the cheap team intros or The cheesy stage design. It just wasn’t cool.
Hate is the verb that to me is superb, And love but a drug on the mart. Any kiddie in school can love like a fool, But hating, my boy, is an art. And this is why dota is toxic....
You guys and all the haters are way too negative about the finals. The first two games were good games. Only the last game was a stomp, having one out of three games being a stomp is only natural for dota. Whining about the meta is meta itself. There has never been a time where whe whiners didn't whine, I have heard it all. Team that buffs their carry more wins - boring Team with bigger teamfight ultis wins - boring Team that split pushes more wins - boring Team that buys stronger team items wins - boring Team that gets initiation wins - boring Team that kills towers faster wins - boring Team that can survive enemys initiation wins - boring Team that holds map control wins - boring Team that gets roshans wins - boring Team that wins lanes wins - boring Do you even like dota? Here are two "metas" that people like Enemy team throws - wow comeback Team gets lucky - brilliant display of skill
I don't think the final was bad, but with the rest of the tournament before it I wasn't expecting much. And Liquid did play really well, was more then winning than GG losing
I dont respect aura wins. I have more respect for ramzes, who lost buying blink, than 33 or ace who are winning with sleeper auras. They won by playing anti-dota. Anti-football is only acceptable for underdogs. For guardiola its illegal. Legal for 2004 greece.
Blitz was incredible in this episode. Really eye opening stuff.
You actually fooled me, I thought it was a guest episode and was wondering when Blitz will show up
@@goink3368 sorry brother saw the thumbnail and no guest and I had to.
Also the no-timestamps they usually do when they have guests also fooled me
Didnt like when he said he kicked 33 because he underperformed
Nearly as dissapointing as no NBA segment
Nobody mentions that, it seems, but Liquid didn't just win without losing a map, they didn't lose a single racks! They lost a single T3 tower in the whole playoff stage...
Players like Topson and Ceb get all the attention for their risky overextensions and rampages, and that type of play is definitely more exciting, but it's so much more difficult to defend than it is to rack up kills, and it wins way more games.
Don't forget what the D in Dota used to stand for. In the lower brackets, people seem to think it means "deathmatch".
@@itmeurdadDifferent teams with different play styles. Also each patch can make kills have more or less impact on a game so it's not always the case.
team spirit beat them in group stage. but then they pick tinker 2 times vs nouns and disband ahahaha
@synderen I made the onion dog and soda cats shirts for you! Unfortunately I wasn't able to go to TI, but it's cool that someone was able to use my design :D
Hey!! Thanks so much for the original shirt and design. We love it at home and I wear it a lot :D. It's one of the best gifts I've ever received from a fan!
can't believe what the horse is coming back wow!
Finally the highly anticipated awaited post TI episode!
Guys, I don't know how to tell you... but... your duo is freaking amazing! Of course the queue is all for you! And it's all deserved!
This airplane story is so traumatic
I'm glad their relationship survived through that. I would've been weighing the pros and cons of burning bridges if I had suffered through that
Nearly choked on my coffee on that Jenkins airport security story holy shit lmao
Hi guys, I haven’t played dota2 for years, but I still love you guys, hope you’re all doing well srs.
Hey Sunsfan, your sick-voice cast really wasn't bad at all. It was obvious you were falling sick but it was still an enjoyable listen regardless! Take care next TI!!
For rosh pit, it would be interesting if the pit is actually a another portal going to underhollow, the same with TI8 battlepass mini game
Meaning when you enter the pit, you wont see Roshan but you are teleporting to Underhollow, another map.
Just want to thank you again. I had to go to my car to get my wallet to buy the we say things shirt. Thankfully that's when I closed my windows before the huge rain storm that night
Old Dog is the shining gem of Canadian cinema 🫡
Yeah i do think that they way the game has developed requires some balancing to survivability. Love the work you guys always put out
FYI: I also used to play dota 1 with bunch of friends, (I still play) but those guys stopped playing before dota 2, but they still watch Pro dota.
Bought one of your new shirts assuming Sunsfan would make comfy merch, was correct very nice and comfy with fast shipping. Only issue for me was its a bit smaller for the size I bought than normal.
FINALLY
WHAT THE HORSE
Hey Sunsfan if you think getting in shape is hard I have a hack for you. Look up the 30 minute squat challenge, you'll have to battle through the discomfort but it becomes so worth it.
Hey guys, just catching the podcast today, have a suggestion for merch. Any thoughts on a keychain? Maybe of the horse? On that same vein, what about lanyards?
Don't worry synderman, I'm completely fine. You don't have to feel bad. You didnt infect me with anything. I have a strong immune system.
Also I didn't get to attend TI. So I wasn't anywhere near you.
But lets focus on the positive!
Sunsfan has a great taste for movies
The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind ,one of the best movies.
Instead of reversing universal heroes, they should just make str+agi, str+int, and agi+int heroes as well and really get the party started lol
Be looking forward to the revival of that horse.
I believe crownfall Act IV was announced to drop on Sept 30
The aura meta has been here for so long that whichever teams are ahead and got the items will end up winning inevitably. Synderan sums it up pretty much with - teams get ahead, teams win. When you see a team is ahead by 20 mins, i personally just switch off. Even on highlights i dont bother to watch it because by the middle of the video it was clear one team will win it.
32:42 As I mentioned, they missed the opportunity to use a mouse with a track ball. It would have been hilarious and accurate. 🍷🗿
does anyone know where I can watch the synderen wholesome video part? Maybe someone knows on what day between what games it was? It's not in the International 2024 content playlist and I don't wanna dig through all the days streams
th-cam.com/video/O-FvEWUW_aI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IUBseZmH5M7rzLvA
search synderen's story the international 2024 on search bar
@@ellieg8773 that's is just the joke part though. Or I missunderstood the wholesome part and it was just 1 sunsfan line before bantering again
It was between the Lower Bracket Finals and the Grand Final.. directly after the joke part
So final day between the series
this? th-cam.com/video/O-FvEWUW_aI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZfCs9lESnWGWCUMw or is this the joke part only? :D
I love " what the horse" it was so fun❤
SYNDEREN THEY'RE KAZURAI THEY'RE FLIGHTLESS
Finally the show is back, glad to see it! SUNSfan, sorry you got sick; if that ruined your chance to cast Grand Finals as was rumored.
Having finished TI13, the collective opinion is that it’s one of worst one ever, maybe the worst; for both in-person and online viewers. Numerous pauses and delays in the games, several potentially game-altering or at least noticeable bugs (Saksa Mirana Leap, Quinn Puck Phase Shift, Ramzes Doom Scorched Earth), terrible arena setup with it not in the center so the screens were hard to see for most people, non-existent opening ceremony, nothing extra for anyone to do in the arena, barely any extra content in between games like player interviews or content pieces, no water bottles allowed (seriously wtf) with shit food options, no Late Game or after show, a mostly bland boring meta where some heroes having too much HP or insane Facets or both with some of the worst hero variety ever at a TI resulting in almost all 2-0 stomps and a third straight boring 3-0 finals. Oh and the most expensive TI ticket to date. BUT OTHER THAN ALL THAT, IT WENT GREAT. Fuck PGL.
People shit on TI4; and yes TI4 had the dumb format and the eventual deathball Grand Finals, but the games leading up to the Grand Finals were good, and it was also the first time in a big arena; the Techies reveal in the All-Star match was great. TI4 had good vibes for parts of it.
Bet you're a blast at parties.
54:45 it's really good. Real sequel to die hard
LETSGOOOO
will yatoro do it again synderen?
shirt has been ordered - i work at a stable so this will be great 😁
I think the main reason people dislike PGL is that their productions don't 'feel good' for the audience. With TI13 it's the lack of activities for attendees. They cut cost too much and therefore trim the QoLs from events and it just doesn't feel good. Sure they handle the core production very well and professionally, but good events are not just about the basic production, it's also the flairs and vibes. TI was like a good hotel, but this is The freaking International man, it should be more like a luxurious 5-star resort where it feels like THE biggest, most prestigious event of the year. PGL definitely trims too much of the fat and it makes their events boring.
Is it a coincidence that "Old Dog" is 3 minutes and 22 seconds long
SHOP REVIEW: I bought your mug. Idk how but the quality is visibly above any mug I've ever had. This print is never coming off, it's part of the mug? Wtf? I'm gonna have to get a shirt or a hoodie now. Also the handle fits perfectly which is a weird thing to have to say but I've noticed all my mugs are not very comfortable to hold. Also also, the inside of the handle is somehow unslippery, which again is weird and I've never seen on any of my mugs. Do you guys even make any profit on these?
we need in bruges themed merch
Need a hoodie with only big horse in my life ;)
the kez video only has like 20 words and it states that kez is flightless. synderen boldly predicts he'll fly. we'll see!
Waduuh, ga expect di saos ada gula segitu persajiannya, harus diperhatiin lagi kalau mau nyocol😮💨
I've watched every TI other than last year. And this one was definitely the least exciting to me. Not only was it 2-0 basically every series, but the games didn't really feel close. Sure they weren't all stomps but I felt like the majority of the games didn't have the tension of who will win for long. And the teamifights, they generally felt like the teams went in and did their thing and it either works or doesn't and not ok guys we need some great play to win. I'm exaggerating a bit but yeah. Later on I wasn't expecting to see great plays and memorable moments.
Later on I wasn't expecting any big memorable moments.
The new TI format just sucks, it creates easy runs to high finishes so we have a lot of less competitive games, theres less opportunities for top teams to play each other, and we dont get as many intra-regional rivalries (sometimes some of the most fun games). It doesnt feel like we get a real 'TI meta' anymore cause teams just dont play each other often enough to develop counter drafts and the short break gives teams opportunities to just figure everything out and it all becomes too 'solved' and boring
34:44 LMAO
Agreed. In terms of games/meta, this was definitely the worst TI and I have watched every TI since 2013. Not a surprise at all as I hated the meta long before TI even started.
Amazing jebait
No deadlock topic or NBA/WNBA :(
NBA off-season and the WNBA still is irrelevant at large.
"production-wise this was very smooth"
ofc it would be, there was literally zero content outside of the games
Ngl a group of students with iPhones could produce better team intros than the ones we saw at this ti. Shit loooked so cheap.
Not meeting your partner's parents is only going to make things more awkward in the future.
Am I crazy or you guys get sick very often lol
fan meetup gotta be a limit test for the immune system
is sunsfan dying the thing sunsfan warned us about?
Hope you feel better @syndereNDota. (No offence you still look rundown.)
the production quality of this ti as a online viewer was shit. the audio on youtube was clipping bad. on twitch was okay. until they tried to mix the crowd mics in. it was full of echo. the sound production was really really bad. it really ruins the experience because the sound of the crowd is important especially in the finals. and every time they tried to mix it in it was just full of echo. it sounded like a 100 man discord call.
compared to last years TI it looked (and sounded like) a small LAN by perfect world.
These are your audio issues. TH-cam was fine
@@imtryinghere1 i thought so, then i looked at the chat and reddit which reported the same issues.
i also checked on my tv and phone same thing.
it was sad 3 days to have ears
I watched every single game on youtube (yes I'm a degen) and never had a single audio issue.
My guess is it's a TH-cam/CDN issue, not anything to do with the production. TH-cam live streaming is a second class citizen.
Had no problems either.. sometimes sound mixing was a little off like voices to quiet or music too loud but nothing major or all the time
I had the same issues. Maybe u guys just don’t hear shit like that but the caster audio was constantly clipping. Compared to other esport events the quality was actually really bad. From the terrible produced content bits. To the cheap team intros or The cheesy stage design. It just wasn’t cool.
Hate is the verb that to me is superb,
And love but a drug on the mart.
Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
But hating, my boy, is an art.
And this is why dota is toxic....
I though colour caster was the one who is not the analyst, someone who brings "colour" to the broadcast, i.e. not serious.
PGL sound setup was bad
You guys and all the haters are way too negative about the finals. The first two games were good games. Only the last game was a stomp, having one out of three games being a stomp is only natural for dota.
Whining about the meta is meta itself. There has never been a time where whe whiners didn't whine, I have heard it all.
Team that buffs their carry more wins - boring
Team with bigger teamfight ultis wins - boring
Team that split pushes more wins - boring
Team that buys stronger team items wins - boring
Team that gets initiation wins - boring
Team that kills towers faster wins - boring
Team that can survive enemys initiation wins - boring
Team that holds map control wins - boring
Team that gets roshans wins - boring
Team that wins lanes wins - boring
Do you even like dota?
Here are two "metas" that people like
Enemy team throws - wow comeback
Team gets lucky - brilliant display of skill
I don't think the final was bad, but with the rest of the tournament before it I wasn't expecting much.
And Liquid did play really well, was more then winning than GG losing
I dont respect aura wins. I have more respect for ramzes, who lost buying blink, than 33 or ace who are winning with sleeper auras. They won by playing anti-dota.
Anti-football is only acceptable for underdogs. For guardiola its illegal. Legal for 2004 greece.
Most of the pregame coach interviews sucked and would go on for too long - resulting in missed first bloods