Dota's player count is decreasing in every region, except for CIS where the player count is actually increasing and the game trending. So the concurrent player count haven't changed, but where the players are from has changed
To be fair, TI isn't as hype because valve doesn't care if it's hype. They have gotten rid of soooo many things to make it easier and cheaper, it's not a surprise it's not as high in viewership ranks.
I have NEVER watch a League of noobs tournament and I never will. I still to this date hate with a passion that so many people think that game is good.
Superior and more popular are not the same thing, although in this context it might be, I get what you r trying to say. League will never be a more superior game, but dota might die while lol still lives so... too bad the majority of population does not have the IQ to get into and enjoy dota@GothPaoki
What people often forget is that TI was the first esports tournament EVER to have a huge prize pool. Back in the early 2010's the prize pool dwarfed absolutely everything else in terms of esports. Even mainstream media were writing about TIs prize pools. But nowadays? Who cares? Yes, Riyadh vs TI is a big deal in Dota circles, but as far as normies go, having a big prize pool for playing video games isn't big news anymore. Heck, even video game websites and YT channels barely reported on Riyadh's prize pool. It's just not something people are impressed by anymore, and I can definitely see why Valve decided to reduce the prize pool.
The reduced prizepool definitely comes from Valve being sick of pro player being troublesome behind the scene, it is known that DOTA2 pros were amongst demanding luxury and VIP treatment but avoid doing sponsor / media obligation which is why your traditional esports team rarely fielding DOTA2 team, not to mention most DOTA2 team is owned by player. Valve reduced the prizepool to shows that people care more about hats and not the esports, now since the prizepool reduced, pro players is more active with their sponsor / media obligations, more willing to participate tournament and create more content and connect with fans.
I can believe the viewership numbers. I watch 90% of all TI games every year but this was the first year I intentionally skipped the final cuz ain’t nobody got time to watch the 10th GG vs Liquid matchup, especially when the meta is dogshit auras
TI will be always beating Riyadh Master because one simple reasons, In-game notifications. The same reasons why DPC Major even as bad as Bali Major beats any tournament this year outside TI2024. The visibility from little red live text under watch tab in game matter lots than people realize.
valve really want to resurrect that key chest thingy huh? looks like limited item battlepass isn't cutting it anymore, they want more buck from gambling chest than letting you buy from exact price. the battlepass limited item already bad enough because basically you paid 10x more for an arcana than if you buy from shop (older arcana). then instead of going to arcana in the shop direction, ofc they put it in ultra rare slot from a chest. inb4 someone said valve selling ugly hats isn't significant than steam income, as if valve would hate to get more easy money from people gambling.
Yeah dead of competitive dota while third party tournament for next years is above $25-30 millions dollar - top 3 highest all time in dota2 competitive history Liquid GG final have more viewers than TI8 LGD vs OG - people just doomposting
The legacy chest is a joke, it should be the chest and the key you get, but it's not, you just get the chest then have to pay cash for the key. Valve can bugger off with this bs. Their new approach to items seems to be the only way to get them is to pay cash.
If youre not gonna ban main accounts for smurfing, why ban main accounts for boosting? Both are matchmaking abuse. If someone doesnt want to play ranked on their main for whatever reason, they can play unranked. Yea it doesn't solve the people who dont really have a main account and don't care if it gets banned, but it still solves some. You have to look at it from the perspective of people in lower brackets who get these chads coming in and stomping them. If instead of 1/10 games ruined by boosters/smurf, I get 1/12 or 1/15 because they dont do it anymore for fear of their main account being banned, then that would be amazing. Just play on your main account and choose your game mode ffs. I think not thinking smurfing is a big deal is a really privileged high mmr/pro player mindset. And I understand that pros would sometimes like to play a game thats not a trash unranked but also be anonymous or try new things and not hurt their rank, but they play enough games they can make up for it, and have enough other ways to accomplish that.
Dota was thriving in Oceania server around 2016 you could find a game within 5 minutes. Now if I queue Australia and all South East Asia. The queue time could be 30 minutes, even 99+ min queue if trying to queue on non peak hours. Also the average age of players is like 28. Game is very much dying
oceania can never be a measure for that. comparatevly small population( in respect to size) + high ping for any other server + little to no esports represantion will tend to cause that. you are too busy PVE ing irl with kangaroos to play games
What really built the prestige for the International though? Money. If Riyadh Masters or any other international tournament continually outdoes TI in terms of prize pool size moving forward, I'm not sure if TI prestige will hold any weight.
If what builds prestige is money then your product kinda sucks. League has lower money prize forever at worlds and dota can only dream the attention that tournament gets. So if you think money= prestige what you're basically saying is game isn't good enough without it
your name, is itched on a shield and in game. that's the biggest achievement any player that plays and loves the game could ever want. does Riyadh do something about teams and players winning the tournament outside of the game itself? golden triangles? and crushing the opponent type shi? bro, The International is more prestigious and has more sense even if money is not involved. the fuck are you on. iceforg literally congratulates if you won has more weight that the prince of Arab.
@@GothPaoki LOL has what, 130 mil + active players per month? Dota2 has about 400,000. Not sure how you can even dare compare the two in terms of tournament attention. TI goes back to 2011 for 1.6 mil prize pool (which was huge at the time) and has been organized by Valve historically. It kept climbing and peaked to 40 mil in 2021 using the battle pass. As of 2024, it has dropped to 2.7 mil after Valve scrapped the battle pass. Every pro team/org plays for money to keep themselves afloat, and when the prize pool drops too low idk how many shall care about "prestige".
The data you used in the top esports events section is kinda completely useless. It doesn't have any data from China, which is a massive part of the esports playerbase and it doesnt have any data from facebook streaming, which is quite popular in southeast asia, one of the other biggest esports playerbases. This data is basically then just a western-world popularity metric, so not very useful.
dota died when TI died during the pandemic. the map changes just sunk the nails further in. I dont even watch it anymore. watched it religiously for a decade but the baffling pro scene changes after ti9 finished any interest
Relevant username considering the pandemic TI is the only TI with 2 million viewers - wait until you learn that this year TI have viewership higher than TI8
@@maestromgx No shit the pandemic TI was the one with the most viewers. Everyone was stuck at home. Every Esport community hit its peak viewers during that time. But it absolutely sucked.
@@PoliPantev I mean I havent played a single game since like Ti7 because the AU high mmr scene died (cheers valve for not fostering a pro scene here by forcing us to qualify for anything via SEA). 45 minute queues just to get archons and immortals in the same game is not great. Cant imagine how dead it must be now given that was ~4 years ago. This channel which I've unsubbed from was the last dota related thing I had active. Only came to comment because I saw the title and in all honesty I haven't listened to an ep in over a year. So like zero chance. Game is horrible to watch post map changes impossible to play in my region unless you're low mmr so there's literally no chance.
@@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 if you haven't played a game since ti7 you should not know what an archon and immortal is, this system was introduced around ti9
Hope you guys are enjoying the holiday times. As always, greatly appreciate your podcast
Dota's player count is decreasing in every region, except for CIS where the player count is actually increasing and the game trending. So the concurrent player count haven't changed, but where the players are from has changed
To be fair, TI isn't as hype because valve doesn't care if it's hype. They have gotten rid of soooo many things to make it easier and cheaper, it's not a surprise it's not as high in viewership ranks.
The only TI that appears in the chart is TI10, last TI viewership is in the same range as TI8 viewership which have the iconic OG winning run.
People saying Dota is dead haven't played a game that really died. Maybe it just isn't popular in their circle anymore.
a game like hon is dead
Dota is the second most played game after csgo just checked it yesterday
@@davidchoi7901 yes. Good example of a dead game. Nowhere close to dota being "dead"
Probably one of the few that misses the huge TI prizepool; still watch dota but not nearly as hyped about it.
Damn didnt know memento was directed by Cristofer nolan.
I have NEVER watch a League of noobs tournament and I never will.
I still to this date hate with a passion that so many people think that game is good.
Like it or not league is superior right now.
Superior and more popular are not the same thing, although in this context it might be, I get what you r trying to say. League will never be a more superior game, but dota might die while lol still lives so... too bad the majority of population does not have the IQ to get into and enjoy dota@GothPaoki
@@GothPaoki Superior how? Did you mean more popular ?
Esport Charts doesn't even count Chinese websites, so the decline is actually even worse then what the graph shows
What people often forget is that TI was the first esports tournament EVER to have a huge prize pool. Back in the early 2010's the prize pool dwarfed absolutely everything else in terms of esports. Even mainstream media were writing about TIs prize pools.
But nowadays? Who cares? Yes, Riyadh vs TI is a big deal in Dota circles, but as far as normies go, having a big prize pool for playing video games isn't big news anymore. Heck, even video game websites and YT channels barely reported on Riyadh's prize pool. It's just not something people are impressed by anymore, and I can definitely see why Valve decided to reduce the prize pool.
The reduced prizepool definitely comes from Valve being sick of pro player being troublesome behind the scene, it is known that DOTA2 pros were amongst demanding luxury and VIP treatment but avoid doing sponsor / media obligation which is why your traditional esports team rarely fielding DOTA2 team, not to mention most DOTA2 team is owned by player. Valve reduced the prizepool to shows that people care more about hats and not the esports, now since the prizepool reduced, pro players is more active with their sponsor / media obligations, more willing to participate tournament and create more content and connect with fans.
I can believe the viewership numbers. I watch 90% of all TI games every year but this was the first year I intentionally skipped the final cuz ain’t nobody got time to watch the 10th GG vs Liquid matchup, especially when the meta is dogshit auras
More people watched Liquid vs GG than TI8 OG vs LGD or CS2 Shanghai Major grand final - FaZe vs TSpirit
I agree with Synd when talking about prestige giving TI more importance. Specially since Riyadh Masters is in well, Riyadh
the topic about banned smurf accounts was not discussed. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Could have had a perfect segue talking about that Dota chest feeling like CS and then talked about CSGO gambling
I went to three TIs, but I stopped watching when Valve stopped caring about TI.
TI will be always beating Riyadh Master because one simple reasons, In-game notifications. The same reasons why DPC Major even as bad as Bali Major beats any tournament this year outside TI2024. The visibility from little red live text under watch tab in game matter lots than people realize.
Holy crap. Synderman havent watched V for Vendetta? People should watch it. Its a cult classic.
Oh.. Hi Mark
valve really want to resurrect that key chest thingy huh? looks like limited item battlepass isn't cutting it anymore, they want more buck from gambling chest than letting you buy from exact price. the battlepass limited item already bad enough because basically you paid 10x more for an arcana than if you buy from shop (older arcana). then instead of going to arcana in the shop direction, ofc they put it in ultra rare slot from a chest. inb4 someone said valve selling ugly hats isn't significant than steam income, as if valve would hate to get more easy money from people gambling.
Early dota trading was cool. Wish they kept it that way instead of the battlepass direction.
Can you guys head a community-ran Dota 2 DPC league? Tier 2 teams are important as NCAA to NBA or NFL.
Lmao you think running DPC is cheap
Synderen sounds exactly like Doug from family guy..
PGL will be the dead of competitive dota, next TI is gonna feel cheaper than last one.
Yeah dead of competitive dota while third party tournament for next years is above $25-30 millions dollar - top 3 highest all time in dota2 competitive history
Liquid GG final have more viewers than TI8 LGD vs OG - people just doomposting
*COUGHtorrent😂
The legacy chest is a joke, it should be the chest and the key you get, but it's not, you just get the chest then have to pay cash for the key. Valve can bugger off with this bs. Their new approach to items seems to be the only way to get them is to pay cash.
If youre not gonna ban main accounts for smurfing, why ban main accounts for boosting? Both are matchmaking abuse. If someone doesnt want to play ranked on their main for whatever reason, they can play unranked. Yea it doesn't solve the people who dont really have a main account and don't care if it gets banned, but it still solves some. You have to look at it from the perspective of people in lower brackets who get these chads coming in and stomping them. If instead of 1/10 games ruined by boosters/smurf, I get 1/12 or 1/15 because they dont do it anymore for fear of their main account being banned, then that would be amazing. Just play on your main account and choose your game mode ffs.
I think not thinking smurfing is a big deal is a really privileged high mmr/pro player mindset. And I understand that pros would sometimes like to play a game thats not a trash unranked but also be anonymous or try new things and not hurt their rank, but they play enough games they can make up for it, and have enough other ways to accomplish that.
Mobile trash bang 🔫 is such a humiliating game to be called "MOBA" and somehow pepegas here in my region boosted it up to that degree
nigma was so fun to watch
Dota was thriving in Oceania server around 2016 you could find a game within 5 minutes. Now if I queue Australia and all South East Asia. The queue time could be 30 minutes, even 99+ min queue if trying to queue on non peak hours. Also the average age of players is like 28. Game is very much dying
oceania can never be a measure for that. comparatevly small population( in respect to size) + high ping for any other server + little to no esports represantion will tend to cause that. you are too busy PVE ing irl with kangaroos to play games
I have 10-12 Dota friends, we all seen TI every year. This and last year, there was no hype, no money, no battle pass, nothing. No one watched
What really built the prestige for the International though? Money. If Riyadh Masters or any other international tournament continually outdoes TI in terms of prize pool size moving forward, I'm not sure if TI prestige will hold any weight.
If what builds prestige is money then your product kinda sucks. League has lower money prize forever at worlds and dota can only dream the attention that tournament gets.
So if you think money= prestige what you're basically saying is game isn't good enough without it
your name, is itched on a shield and in game. that's the biggest achievement any player that plays and loves the game could ever want.
does Riyadh do something about teams and players winning the tournament outside of the game itself? golden triangles? and crushing the opponent type shi?
bro, The International is more prestigious and has more sense even if money is not involved. the fuck are you on.
iceforg literally congratulates if you won has more weight that the prince of Arab.
Riyadh viewership is in decline and even with $15 million prizepool it doesnt even touch half of TI viewership - people overestimate Riyadh Masters
Riyadh Master this year not even beating Bali Major
@@GothPaoki LOL has what, 130 mil + active players per month? Dota2 has about 400,000. Not sure how you can even dare compare the two in terms of tournament attention.
TI goes back to 2011 for 1.6 mil prize pool (which was huge at the time) and has been organized by Valve historically. It kept climbing and peaked to 40 mil in 2021 using the battle pass. As of 2024, it has dropped to 2.7 mil after Valve scrapped the battle pass. Every pro team/org plays for money to keep themselves afloat, and when the prize pool drops too low idk how many shall care about "prestige".
The data you used in the top esports events section is kinda completely useless. It doesn't have any data from China, which is a massive part of the esports playerbase and it doesnt have any data from facebook streaming, which is quite popular in southeast asia, one of the other biggest esports playerbases. This data is basically then just a western-world popularity metric, so not very useful.
when r u two casting again??? like yall just give up now dont care bout fans?
HAHAAH CAUGHT COVID LMAO
he said it with a straight face XD
+2pts to Shannon for using the word "amalgamated"
v for vendetta can be filed under m for mundane. same with interstellar
Shots fired
You're so cool for having that opinion wow
@@jamesmacker i'm cool, as is alan moore, who disowned this popcorn flick.
dota died when TI died during the pandemic. the map changes just sunk the nails further in.
I dont even watch it anymore. watched it religiously for a decade but the baffling pro scene changes after ti9 finished any interest
Relevant username considering the pandemic TI is the only TI with 2 million viewers - wait until you learn that this year TI have viewership higher than TI8
@@maestromgx No shit the pandemic TI was the one with the most viewers. Everyone was stuck at home. Every Esport community hit its peak viewers during that time.
But it absolutely sucked.
youll be back
@@PoliPantev I mean I havent played a single game since like Ti7 because the AU high mmr scene died (cheers valve for not fostering a pro scene here by forcing us to qualify for anything via SEA). 45 minute queues just to get archons and immortals in the same game is not great. Cant imagine how dead it must be now given that was ~4 years ago.
This channel which I've unsubbed from was the last dota related thing I had active. Only came to comment because I saw the title and in all honesty I haven't listened to an ep in over a year.
So like zero chance. Game is horrible to watch post map changes impossible to play in my region unless you're low mmr so there's literally no chance.
@@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 if you haven't played a game since ti7 you should not know what an archon and immortal is, this system was introduced around ti9