Throw Everything Away | The Minimalists Ep. 432

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  • The Minimalists talk about throwing everything away after an infestation and the hypocrisy of minimalism. Watch all 2 hours of episode 432 on The Minimalists Private Podcast: / theminimalists
    Discussed in this episode:
    Intro (00:00)
    Should I throw away everything after my bed bug infestation? (01:18)
    How is it minimalist to encourage people to download seven different wallpapers? (13:17)
    How can I learn to let go of clutter when I grew up poor? (22:18)
    How do I know whether I should let go of a relationship? (27:27)
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  • @TheMinimalists
    @TheMinimalists  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Have you ever thrown away everything you own and started over?

    • @ginamarie5575
      @ginamarie5575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Not really that extreme lol …. But I love a good purge 🎉😂it’s healthy when it’s needed

    • @KarronAngel
      @KarronAngel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      if only i could x

    • @shinobuchan
      @shinobuchan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Luckily I never had to do it. I go step by step, checking all my stuff once a year to do a big declutter, little by little. I once was too attached to things so it takes a lot of energy for me to part with stuff.

    • @lynjasinski6155
      @lynjasinski6155 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, recently. I feel privileged to be able to do so. I call it, "starting fresh".

    • @sarahlockridge7879
      @sarahlockridge7879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      No, but we did with my daughter. I had to help clean out her "trap house" after her last relapse 😩...I try to not think about it BUT I am so grateful for this podcast. It has allowed me to let go...

  • @Run4yourlives
    @Run4yourlives 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    You may have heard about the Gray Fire that swept eastern Washington and burned over 10,000 acres last summer. I was part of that community and most of our neighbors homes are gone. We know it could happen again. So we are now stepping into minimalism. A disaster like that helps you to remember that stuff just doesn’t matter.

    • @mihaeladaia4673
      @mihaeladaia4673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      💙

    • @kimgordon3695
      @kimgordon3695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      SkyHugz strategic fires are NOT gray

    • @Inablinkofthei
      @Inablinkofthei 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was in medical lake on the outskirts and yes this fire forced us into minimalism at an alarming rate. Within 24 hours everything was gone and you are left with this vacancy that’s painful yet freeing!
      Something that I wished for but not to happen the way it did..

    • @kimgordon3695
      @kimgordon3695 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You may have heard of the strategic fires that devastated the West coast & East coast & are currently burning in Mexico #Agenda30

  • @junleifa
    @junleifa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Loving TK's quote: "Clutter is an opportunity for generosity" 👍🏼🙂

    • @reneejkd
      @reneejkd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes 💖

  • @lorinolen33
    @lorinolen33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I am getting ready to move out of state and was just thinking about this.
    Throw out and donate everything that I dont need or care about.
    I like to get rid of 75% of my stuff

    • @jzen1455
      @jzen1455 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Possessions possess you.

    • @7lamb
      @7lamb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I am doing just that and it’s the best feeling!!!

    • @sarahlockridge7879
      @sarahlockridge7879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      We just moved out of state! We got rid of a ton!

  • @Hafhafnhaf
    @Hafhafnhaf หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Getting rid of everything sounds like a dream come true. I feel Stuck with my past. Especially photos. I can't let go of them.

    • @mkkrupp2462
      @mkkrupp2462 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree about photos and home videos. So many of them and it’s a real mental burden to organise although I can’t part with them.

    • @Carcassbits11
      @Carcassbits11 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Digitizing helps ❤ you can even pay someone to do it. Then store in the cloud or on a hard drive. You can buy a digital picture frame

  • @TheFrugalFreeGal
    @TheFrugalFreeGal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    We are moving and I’ve let go of several carloads that I do not want to unpack in my new home! It’s so freeing!

  • @valerierogers9609
    @valerierogers9609 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    You are not the story behind your stuff, but each person has to make that transformational moment of realization.

  • @jasminealixandranorth
    @jasminealixandranorth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Don't donate things that may contain bugs 🤦‍♀ Hellllooo

  • @Itsallindamind
    @Itsallindamind 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I really liked your response about clutter being an opportunity for generosity and how there’s a difference between abundance and wealth. Letting go of things is more about our reluctance to part with our association with those things. It’s so true that poverty is a mindset and that you can be happy even if you’re broke. Thank you for this reminder, much love to you!

  • @Monika-ek1gi
    @Monika-ek1gi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    We shouldn't donate stuff if we think they have bed bugs in them because we will just give someone else the same problem. I even wrote on my matress and nightstans that I threw away huge sign on both sides "bed bugs ", so nobody would take it.

    • @tinaskornicka384
      @tinaskornicka384 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We just burned the beds and many other things.

    • @mw87675
      @mw87675 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Very true!

  • @hollyedmiston3332
    @hollyedmiston3332 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    During a cross country, U-Haul move a few years back, my truck was broken into and about 14 to 16 boxes of my things were stolen. At first, it really bothered me for a long time, but then, as you were saying here, there was just this tremendous sense of freedom at some point because even though those things had been taken from me against my will, it did make me realize that stuff is just stuff, no matter where or who it came from, and it has made it so much easier for me to go forward and just let go of things. Which results in my feeling lighter and clearer and more excited about living my life.

    • @broookehunter
      @broookehunter หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sometimes things that don’t work out for you really do work out for you. ❤ Keep living your beautiful life, Holly

  • @amycoon3680
    @amycoon3680 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Please don’t try to *sell things to others that you’re afraid to have *bugs in them! 😢 yikes…
    No more 2nd-hand for me!

    • @kathleengagliardo9391
      @kathleengagliardo9391 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      That's what I was thinking. Also, makes me think twice about ever renting a storage unit.

    • @eunicesandoval478
      @eunicesandoval478 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Haha my thought exactly for a second but can happen with anything really, even someone who gifts you a gift and they didn’t know.

  • @hwright9608
    @hwright9608 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Had a flood, and cleared it up but found hidden mold several months later and I was reacting to it. Had to toss everything, and start over, while ill. I had to go through a grieving process, because of the suddeness of it all.

  • @michah7214
    @michah7214 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I don't need or want to throw everything away. But it's easier when things are thoroughly decluttered.

    • @Marjorie-oh4oj
      @Marjorie-oh4oj หลายเดือนก่อน

      You guys are totally over the top. That's why nobody wants to follow you anymore

  • @Betty-mm9gz
    @Betty-mm9gz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I have gotten rid of 85% of not needed stuff because of bed bugs which was a blessing in disguise. I do not have them anymore. However, after four months went by, I gotten rid of 85% more stuff. At first I morned some if it, now I am happy to let go of stuff. Can't understand why I had much stuff I didn't use in the first place.

  • @kimsid3523
    @kimsid3523 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Let it go, to let the energy flow"
    Thank you for that one!!!

  • @catherinecataclysm
    @catherinecataclysm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Anne's question really hit close to home. I grew up poor. Section 8 housing. Single disable parent. Christmas toys that were donated by local charities to my mom... i put myself through college and now as an adult i have accumulated things that i never could have had when i was young. I have a large collection of dolls that ive spent at least $1000 on. I have a collection of gaming things. I feel like i have a lot of stuff and on one hand i feel like i should stop buying stuff but on the otherhand, the stuff brings happiness to me... i feel stuck.

    • @sintaise
      @sintaise หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      that is the point... you think stuff brings you happiness but obviously it doesn't cause you keep buying your happiness with stuff. does it last ??

  • @jessbridges564
    @jessbridges564 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Just joined a buy nothing group to get rid of stuff I can’t be bothered to sell.

  • @FisherOfMen705
    @FisherOfMen705 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I bought Everything That Remains months ago and I'm finally reading it now. Perfect timing as we're selling our house that I've lived in all my 33 years. Came along at the perfect time thank you thank you! I'm enjoying Josh's poetic interludes and Ryan's humor. So well written and I'm recommending to EVERYONE.

  • @kimberlydeprey
    @kimberlydeprey 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Buy a large chest freezer. Bed bugs will die after 4 days in zero degrees. You’ll know they’ll be dead when you remove the item if there was something in there.

    • @luisafoodadventure5294
      @luisafoodadventure5294 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wow…did not know that!

    • @diannadee7456
      @diannadee7456 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You can leave things like luggage after a trip, in your car under a hot sun. The heat can kill bedbugs.

  • @anotherdayatthefeast8100
    @anotherdayatthefeast8100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don’t know the age of the son with the music equipment but I would put my foot down and say, “I’m not paying for the storage unit any longer and I don’t want any of that stuff in the house so if you want to keep that stuff you got to pay for storing it.” Then get your stuff out of there and give him the option of keeping that unit or getting a smaller cheaper unit. I’d also have him calculate the cost of storage and the cost of his stuff and see if he might be better off selling that stuff and replacing the equipment at another time.

  • @aliciaojeda1133
    @aliciaojeda1133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I have the 5 questions wallpaper on my phone as my screensaver. I use it by starting with question #5 and usually get to stop there. Love you guys. Keep doing what you do 😊

  • @rosa8
    @rosa8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    我也非常难断舍离!所以,经常借助外力推动一下,有了一定的进展。结过艰难的断舍离实践我收获了什么?非常棒! 一定继续努力!空间变大;家人健康;环境美丽;精简节约;心情愉悦;节省时间;居家健身;减少物欲;少了抱怨;不易愤怒;年轻漂亮;好处多多!祝朋友们永远美丽幸福!❤ Thank you for you sharing! 👍

  • @Blubes23
    @Blubes23 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I actually threw away andsorted my parents house with my brother when parents was on vacation. Only broken things, things that are never used and things like that but it got better. At the time we where four under the same roof and it a so bad. Both parents are horders and hygene is out of question. When they came back mom got so mad.. BUT HN SHE KINDA SETTLED WITH IT and realized she didnt miss the things, she actully very slowly started declutter. It still really bad and when they die we prob have to burn the house BUT i think her mind changed a bit even tho she still have the «keep in case» or sentimental mind.

  • @jaymeez
    @jaymeez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had a mold issue and got rid of almost everything I own. I still have more I need to get rid of and I do feel better

  • @walden0220
    @walden0220 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Im about to do this with clothes as we speak

    • @todhammond4471
      @todhammond4471 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you working with a budget or any sort of plan or are you just going to freestyle it?

    • @walden0220
      @walden0220 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@todhammond4471 no budget just to much of a mess I’m sick of it lol

  • @musiclassica
    @musiclassica 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Why would anyone sell anything that’s affected by mold? I hope this is being regarded as a criminal fact.

    • @user-je5nn2lq5j
      @user-je5nn2lq5j 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Exactly! Same with bed bugs. Why sell or donate items that could have bed bugs? Just throw them away.

  • @kauntroap6339
    @kauntroap6339 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i've started to declutter my storage until 2 weeks ago and while sell my things I felt like pieces of me was leaving. weird feeling

  • @marlyking1972
    @marlyking1972 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love and appreciate my "change people" wallpaper. Thanks so much for this free resource.

  • @lindagutierrez6335
    @lindagutierrez6335 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys are fun‼️👍How about an abundance of appreciation, for what we do have, especially the people we love.

  • @jennyjenkins877
    @jennyjenkins877 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A scent dog trained to detect bedbugs could be used in the opening situation.

  • @lindascharfe6557
    @lindascharfe6557 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had bed bugs for three years I tried everything. My daughter had toys and clothes. One day I mixed apple cider vinegar and lavender oil. I sprayed it every where just once and the bed bugs disappeared. I know if you put you furniture outside in the sun they don't like heat for clothing I washed everything and had put in the dryer the heat kills them by drying them out. I bought bed bugs covers for the bed mattress and zipped them in they can last a year without blood. After that they dry out and die. I still own my furniture and clothes. I don't have to throw away and spend money to buy new things. I can do it right and when time passes give away to a goodwill or give to some one who needs it but done right everything can be cleaned and saved.

  • @sharonhart3735
    @sharonhart3735 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It always makes you feel good when you let go of everything, only some necessities.

  • @cindihunter9119
    @cindihunter9119 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Doing this presently... for me it's the right thing to do! ♥️🎻😎

  • @paulaclrk
    @paulaclrk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Would the bugs potentially migrate to other adjourning storage units if they are still infected?

  • @shanab1298
    @shanab1298 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What is the end goal though? I have an antique looking phone on my wall that's not functional, but decorative. Same with a wall piano in the living room.
    I have a china cabinet that's full of various things that I may or may not need at some point, but if I emptied out all the drawers, then what?
    Should I get rid of these "unfunctional" things?
    Is the goal to have a completely empty house except for the bare necessities?
    At what point do you stop the minimalism?
    I think some people find comfort in the unusable things that surround them because they are familiar and remind them of different things.
    If I took down all of the picture frames from my walls and just had the memories in my mind that would be fine, but there's a reason that people hang them up.
    Same with knock nacks.
    If we get rid of everything sentimental or things that remind us of other things, then we would just be living in an institutionalized cell and it would be very similar to old people that I have seen in nursing homes where they only have a few belongings and just a couple of things that remind them of the life that they used to live.
    I'm torn between minimalism and sentiment.
    Part of me wants to empty my house of everything that I don't use on a daily basis. But I also know that I would end up with an empty house and then what?

    • @bryanroberts2229
      @bryanroberts2229 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe that's the point, why you want to keep these "nick nacks".....you want to forget that your living in an institutionalised cell.....

    • @AuRowe
      @AuRowe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In my mind if theres a need to keep the idea of a memory alive with stuff its actual neurosis. Doesn't mean nivk nacks are evil.
      People forget how valuable of a canvas some empty space can be, even mentally. When ive lost photo albums it makes me realize how much I kept memories in photos and essentially wouldn't remember non photoed memories the same way.
      Only so much mental space so why not let yourself naturally hold onto the valuable memories instead of grasping for the idea of what you think "was" through the sentimental items.

    • @k8sl
      @k8sl 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I feel reading your post that you are not o. The space to do this, don’t force it, enjoy your life and be gentle with yourself. it is not a big deal, whether you get rid of stuff, or hang on to some, if it’s not the level of hoarding

  • @mw87675
    @mw87675 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I would throw it away and start over. Like others commenters have said do not donate items with a bug infestation. You will just be passing the problem on to someone else.

  • @user-nl8wf7tc3m
    @user-nl8wf7tc3m 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All homes should have personality. We all need some “stuff”

  • @shirleyburnham2782
    @shirleyburnham2782 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm still learning x

  • @LaylaDSmith
    @LaylaDSmith 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    You put bedbugs into storage? Omg

    • @Halff_elf
      @Halff_elf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ..that'll affect people in adjoining units

    • @sharsyvertsen301
      @sharsyvertsen301 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ya no doubt🤦🏼‍♀️

  • @wormcat3337
    @wormcat3337 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You guys are, good.

  • @tnmcru2153
    @tnmcru2153 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some item 10 years in box, nothing. Throw it away and 10 mins after truck has picked up - I need that one thing...
    The Universe DOES have sense of humor ! LOL

  • @spiralali
    @spiralali 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hire a bed bug sniffing dog to inspect the storage unit. Then you'll have more data~

  • @half-elf
    @half-elf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bedbugs. -- they even get into electronic. A deep freeze for a certain amount of time can help (not sure how long). My sister had them -- they scare me. I would throw stuff out and NOT risk it.

    • @kimgordon3695
      @kimgordon3695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      4day freeze

    • @tinaskornicka384
      @tinaskornicka384 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I always do 1-2 weeks to be sure.
      @@kimgordon3695

  • @Berryandmango
    @Berryandmango 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would not sell anything to anyone else, that may has potential such as bugs to be somebody else’s’ s nightmare. It’s important to always be considerate. Burn that stuff and walk away. Or, go through the same nightmare.

  • @kennethbailey9853
    @kennethbailey9853 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amen !🙂

  • @HappyCat1111
    @HappyCat1111 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How did you survive starting over from job loss, marriage loss, etc? What did you do to bounce back besides the ‘stuff’ part?

    • @kimgordon3695
      @kimgordon3695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did it once. The cherished items fit in a 2 door sedan. I moved 1000 + miles away & began ... I still have a regulator clock that's 40 years old. It's a symbol to me

  • @privateinfo1711
    @privateinfo1711 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    if theres a possibility of bed bugs, DON'T donate.

    • @kendallmcguire
      @kendallmcguire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Excellent point!!!

  • @AlmightyScorchy
    @AlmightyScorchy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do I send a question to be answered during the next podcast?

  • @cyndidavis8636
    @cyndidavis8636 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Get rid of your stuff and let your son cling to his stuff. Maybe you can get to a smaller unit or if he is old enough he can pay for it till he is ready but he doesnt have to bring it into your house.

  • @markhines192
    @markhines192 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is true we me about 40 years of family photos.

  • @suewarren4486
    @suewarren4486 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My sister kept things that mice had eaten half of and then peed on the remainder. She was younger then but in extremis sometimes it's not about the item that you're keeping.

    • @Halff_elf
      @Halff_elf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Different from just clutter! People on Hoarders do that.

  • @henlohenlo689
    @henlohenlo689 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    why not instead just boost how much we can have and work for it. living in my car with no items was actually miserable.

  • @miame2742
    @miame2742 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love your show but the part where you hold the phone and “listen” to the people who write or send in is 😬

  • @sarahlockridge7879
    @sarahlockridge7879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Where has Ryan been? Is he ok?!

    • @HeatherCampbell-kc7fx
      @HeatherCampbell-kc7fx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He has kinda retired and moved north. He shows up sometimes. He is ok!

    • @sarahlockridge7879
      @sarahlockridge7879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@HeatherCampbell-kc7fx oh wow!

  • @yasmindawoojee6831
    @yasmindawoojee6831 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good point actually - I did that it was a relief - it was like letting go of the "old friends" the "bitchy women co-workers" - the old Doctors and allow all the new Health Team I have looking after me and also letting go of Old / broken / debt and broken relationships - the worn out old crap car and get a new one which is stylish, sleek and sexy. Love to all xx Yasmin Dawoojee

  • @jj1982ify
    @jj1982ify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Throw everything away to buy everything again…

  • @hreemshreemkleem
    @hreemshreemkleem หลายเดือนก่อน

    What should I do with whatsapp data since 2012?

  • @nkhasselriis
    @nkhasselriis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bed bugs would be dead by now. She's fine to use those things again, might just need to clean out the dead bugs.

  • @mariamoran4358
    @mariamoran4358 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bed bugs die in 3 seconds by being Steamed. Oh and also fleas.

  • @bloomsburgarts
    @bloomsburgarts 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Give the kid his guitars back. They are not going to have bed bugs on them. Get rid of the rest if you want.

  • @solidstate9451
    @solidstate9451 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So the first caller thinks there are bedbugs in her stuff so she wants to donate it. Not very nice.

  • @ticktock2383
    @ticktock2383 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Minimalism works when there is plenty of supply and no inflation. Not true anymore.

  • @justing1810
    @justing1810 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do all you guys wear the same blank shirt?

  • @LP-tu8li
    @LP-tu8li 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love Joshua but he can’t only talk for 60 seconds!

    • @kimgordon3695
      @kimgordon3695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅 he could try a Christopher Walkin schtick...

  • @diabeatit5189
    @diabeatit5189 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seems like this got twisted. The kid simply wants what he paid for, his mothers hang-ups seem ridiculous. Those bed bugs are long since dead, there is no host in which to feed off of, so she's making her son suffer for her ignorance and fear. This isn't a story of a hoarder, this is a story of a mother projecting her neurosis onto her kid who just wants his gear back. Madness. By all means, trash your things, don't make the kid suffer cuz you're out of touch.

  • @phillipsnichole2857
    @phillipsnichole2857 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Josh, you could be walking around naked and someone will find something non-minimalist about you.

  • @trekkie-cat
    @trekkie-cat หลายเดือนก่อน

    Minimalism is not owning nothing.

  • @christianhansen3292
    @christianhansen3292 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    still poor so this minimalist shite means little to me.u throw ur stuff out and it will be a treasure to me or somebody else who dumpster dives!

    • @_LauraElizabeth
      @_LauraElizabeth หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m poor. Trash is not treasure. I’ve been at the end of my overdraft for 9 years and during this time, I got rid of most of what I own. Would’ve been harder if I’d been rich. If you make the mind shift now, you won’t become tempted if/when money makes it’s way into your life.

  • @thomasgross7469
    @thomasgross7469 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry that I wasted my time with this BS

  • @sarahlockridge7879
    @sarahlockridge7879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bed bugs, we had them. Spent a ton og money with terminix. Diligent. Threw out a bed a couch and various items. Got rid of them. Its true, PTSD

    • @kimgordon3695
      @kimgordon3695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      PTSR it's a response; not a disorder