Hi fish. It's great to stumble on a channel by somebody who is relatively new into locksport. Most channels I have come across are by people that I would consider experts in this field. I find it refreshing to see relatable videos posted by somebody who is still in the process of acquiring the skillsets of a master lockpicker as I myself is just a few months into lockpicking. I will be waiting to see more of your videos as I believe it is very valuable to newbies like me.
Thanks Jeff - it’s funny mate that what one person likes another considers not ‘locksport’ related. I guess the lesson is to just keep making the content I enjoy making to the best of my ability and hope it lands for enough other people 😉
Never fails to make my Friday when a wonderful episode by 🐠 arrives! I'm always impressed by the excellent production as well as the informative content. Huge fan! Now, if I could get my new Master Lock loto 410 opened, all would be right with the world...
Good video Fish. I have one and I have to say I am impressed with its quality, eases. Better than my older models - key gauge and separate pin gauge various mostly American locks manufacturers brands. In a all one package. Good brain teaser, process of elimination puzzle. Take care and I have been enjoying the past videos.
Thanks for enjoying the tool! What would a good list of brands in the EU market be? Yale, maybe Abus... what else? I'm glad to develop additional versions of this! :-D
Very good! I do have some 3d printed decoders for various US makes, not tested them yet as to their accuracy- but saw a showcase by DO on these and shall be investing in one, soon enough. Plus, I have a set of Lishi clips and have recently acquired two prehistoric key cutting machines, with 100s of blanks- which I'm dying to try out. Definitely more products needed for the Euro lock market. A subject of great interest to me and I thoroughly enjoyed this vid- thank you.😁
I had been thinking of getting one of these and a lishi key cutting tool to help with the task of making a run of challenge locks👍 Hopefully soon my friend someone will have such of a product availabil, surprised that no one has jumped on that as of yet!
Fun idea! To answer your question of finding the solution with less information, I don’t believe this is possible. Assuming we have a unique solution, that is that each pin set corresponds to only one key, and each key corresponds to only one pin set, then mathematically we can treat it as an independent system for each pair. Without further constraints, the information (number of bitting measurements as counted in your description) required to solve it should follow 2*(n-1) where n is the number of pairs. So for 1 pair, you know those pins match that key. For 3 sets, you’d need 4 measurements. For 100 sets you’d need 198 measurements. At least, as far as I can figure at the moment. Side note, I believe “Ollam” is pronounced more like “Olaf” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ollam Thanks for another entertaining Locksport video!
@@fishpicks4531 I was surprised by the pronunciation myself. I only learned it when I happened upon a video where it was mentioned, and I discovered I had been saying it wrong for months. 😅
While maybe a fun brain exercise this feels more like a riddle than anything to do with locksport, I would have much preferred a simple review of the "ddc" and comparison to other options... Eg. Reliability and time investment vs micrometer/calipers. As always thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment - yes I agree. I felt that the card was, to a degree, self explanatory which is why I mentioned in the commentary that it wasn’t a review really - more a thought experiment. I hope I made it clear what the benefits of the card are without labouring the point with footage of me measuring pins and keys ad nauseum which I felt wouldn’t be terribly interesting. I think my definition of locksport would include things like puzzle locks and lock-related food for thought. There are plenty of excellent channels which are dedicated to picking more specifically - I guess I’m just sharing the things that interest me in a way that I hope is engaging. 🙏
Using just 3 moves is only possible with some constraint: If we assume that the deepest cut for each key is different and that we can compare and order them by their deepest cut just by looking, without having to use the card, it goes like this: 1) order the keys by their deepest cut: K1P3 and would not need the decoder card at all ;-)
Hi Andy, I'd really love a decoder card for european lock brands, but which brands should be covered? Yale for the UK of course... germany has Abus, BKS, Burg Wächter, DOM, ... don't know actually who of them is most common, but they were the first that came to my mind... probably we'd need more than one card to cover all of them, unless some of them share their spacings :D Maybe we need to compress the layout, so we could fit more slots on one card, for the pins e.g. the width of a pin + tolerance would be OK and the same applies for the width of the key However, I'd buy the DDC20 if we'd have more of these locks here in germany/EU/UK ;)
Yeah I guess that is the problem with having such a great range of manufacturers to choose from in Europe. Perhaps it would be a case of identifying the top 4 or 5 locks in residential use in each country and then producing something specific for each market.
Hey fish!! This was a fun one. I have always enjoyed a good puzzle. So, thinking of ways to match them in 4 moves was fun. In 3 moves..... that’s hard. Anyways; what is the most popular keyway in the UK?
Maybe I missed the point because I would just visually match the set of pins with 2 extra long pins to the only corresponding key. Another key only has one large bitting jump. The card would just be used for double checking.... You said fastest way.
I know... I also thought that the rules stated meant only 3 measurements - 3 individual pins/cuts. With that stipulation, the only solution I could find was case specific.
@@KickassKriss I did say in the commentary that I was defining a ‘measurement’ as the decoding of a key or set of pins - but easy to miss this I guess. 🤷♂️
I don't know how long you've had the card for, but the 2nd run of the DDC-20 was slightly defective, the metal lining being too thin. My card personally had the defect, and pins measured one size smaller. If you haven't already checked it out, Deviant has a video to test your own card on his channel, and instructions with how to reach out to get a new one (for free) if yours is defective. th-cam.com/video/_hqPJB-hjgE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Stuart - yep Deviant and I communicated about this and I have one of the updated cards - his response to the manufacturer error has been very impressive. Awesome customer service 😄
3 keys, 15 pins, 3 envelopes, no locks, no picks, and yet another lock sport video that is more than the some of its parts. Fish, you reeled me in, peaked my interest and demonstrated your innate ability to be instructive, and demonstrate your creative talents. Your production value is seamless with an original flare, once again a pleasure to spend tome on your channel.
Hi fish. It's great to stumble on a channel by somebody who is relatively new into locksport. Most channels I have come across are by people that I would consider experts in this field. I find it refreshing to see relatable videos posted by somebody who is still in the process of acquiring the skillsets of a master lockpicker as I myself is just a few months into lockpicking. I will be waiting to see more of your videos as I believe it is very valuable to newbies like me.
Nice to have you along for the ride Allindon - thanks for reaching out :)
I like that exercise, combines locksport with logical thinking in a slightly different way. 👍
Thanks Jeff - it’s funny mate that what one person likes another considers not ‘locksport’ related. I guess the lesson is to just keep making the content I enjoy making to the best of my ability and hope it lands for enough other people 😉
Never fails to make my Friday when a wonderful episode by 🐠 arrives!
I'm always impressed by the excellent production as well as the informative content. Huge fan!
Now, if I could get my new Master Lock loto 410 opened, all would be right with the world...
Thanks Lawrence - that means a lot - glad you enjoyed it 🙏
Hey Lawrence, try a #7 hook in 18,000 for that loto lock if you have one. I’ve had lots of luck with that one.
Good video Fish. I have one and I have to say I am impressed with its quality, eases. Better than my older models - key gauge and separate pin gauge various mostly American locks manufacturers brands. In a all one package. Good brain teaser, process of elimination puzzle. Take care and I have been enjoying the past videos.
Thanks Derrick - glad you enjoyed it mate 🙌
I have one of these decoder cards and it is a handy tool. I am really enjoying your channel.
Glad to here that Trent - thanks mate 🙌
Glad i set you up with the key supplier, but thanks for the mention 😎
Thanks YOU Barry - the hook up was much appreciated 🙌
Thanks for enjoying the tool! What would a good list of brands in the EU market be? Yale, maybe Abus... what else? I'm glad to develop additional versions of this! :-D
That would be amazing! Let me put out a poll on some of the Facebook groups and I’ll come back to you 🙌
Very good!
I do have some 3d printed decoders for various US makes, not tested them yet as to their accuracy- but saw a showcase by DO on these and shall be investing in one, soon enough. Plus, I have a set of Lishi clips and have recently acquired two prehistoric key cutting machines, with 100s of blanks- which I'm dying to try out.
Definitely more products needed for the Euro lock market.
A subject of great interest to me and I thoroughly enjoyed this vid- thank you.😁
Absolute pleasure Pete 🙌
Useful stuff Fish thanks!
My pleasure 🙏
Nice video. Pretty cool tool there as well.
Thanks Andrew - I appreciate you 🙏🙌
Nice one Fish!
Cheers - hope all is well 🙌
I had been thinking of getting one of these and a lishi key cutting tool to help with the task of making a run of challenge locks👍 Hopefully soon my friend someone will have such of a product availabil, surprised that no one has jumped on that as of yet!
I think if someone had the manufacturing contacts and capital to lay down, it could be a profitable innovation 😉
Just ordered 2 these for Barry Bradford, unfortunately I didn’t even think of getting my own😂👏
Oh no! Well hope one comes your way soon 🙌
Thanks for the link I ordered one
Pleasure - hope you find it useful 🙌
This is fun :) Great video!
Cheers Thomas - wasn’t sure if this would be as well received as some of the others so glad you liked it 🙌
Fun idea! To answer your question of finding the solution with less information, I don’t believe this is possible. Assuming we have a unique solution, that is that each pin set corresponds to only one key, and each key corresponds to only one pin set, then mathematically we can treat it as an independent system for each pair. Without further constraints, the information (number of bitting measurements as counted in your description) required to solve it should follow 2*(n-1) where n is the number of pairs. So for 1 pair, you know those pins match that key. For 3 sets, you’d need 4 measurements. For 100 sets you’d need 198 measurements. At least, as far as I can figure at the moment.
Side note, I believe “Ollam” is pronounced more like “Olaf” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ollam
Thanks for another entertaining Locksport video!
Good logic there mate and I had no idea about ‘Olaf’ - I imagine a lot of people make that error! Appreciate the correction 🙌
@@fishpicks4531 I was surprised by the pronunciation myself. I only learned it when I happened upon a video where it was mentioned, and I discovered I had been saying it wrong for months. 😅
While maybe a fun brain exercise this feels more like a riddle than anything to do with locksport, I would have much preferred a simple review of the "ddc" and comparison to other options... Eg. Reliability and time investment vs micrometer/calipers. As always thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment - yes I agree. I felt that the card was, to a degree, self explanatory which is why I mentioned in the commentary that it wasn’t a review really - more a thought experiment. I hope I made it clear what the benefits of the card are without labouring the point with footage of me measuring pins and keys ad nauseum which I felt wouldn’t be terribly interesting. I think my definition of locksport would include things like puzzle locks and lock-related food for thought. There are plenty of excellent channels which are dedicated to picking more specifically - I guess I’m just sharing the things that interest me in a way that I hope is engaging. 🙏
Using just 3 moves is only possible with some constraint: If we assume that the deepest cut for each key is different and that we can compare and order them by their deepest cut just by looking, without having to use the card, it goes like this:
1) order the keys by their deepest cut: K1P3 and would not need the decoder card at all ;-)
I like your thinking here Erich and agree with the caveat too!
Hi Andy,
I'd really love a decoder card for european lock brands, but which brands should be covered?
Yale for the UK of course... germany has Abus, BKS, Burg Wächter, DOM, ... don't know actually who of them is most common, but they were the first that came to my mind...
probably we'd need more than one card to cover all of them, unless some of them share their spacings :D
Maybe we need to compress the layout, so we could fit more slots on one card, for the pins e.g. the width of a pin + tolerance would be OK and the same applies for the width of the key
However, I'd buy the DDC20 if we'd have more of these locks here in germany/EU/UK ;)
Yeah I guess that is the problem with having such a great range of manufacturers to choose from in Europe. Perhaps it would be a case of identifying the top 4 or 5 locks in residential use in each country and then producing something specific for each market.
Hey fish!! This was a fun one. I have always enjoyed a good puzzle. So, thinking of ways to match them in 4 moves was fun. In 3 moves..... that’s hard.
Anyways; what is the most popular keyway in the UK?
Hi Walter - glad you liked it. I would guess that Yale is the ubiquitous lock in the UK
@@fishpicks4531 I need to hunt down some Yale locks. I don’t really see them in my area
@@walterroach8572 email me your address Walter and I’ll keep an eye out for you 😉
Great fun😃
Well done!!
🐾🐈🐈⬛🐾😷🇬🇧🍻👏👏👏👏
Thanks Chris - I thought you might enjoy this one 😉🐟🙌
@@fishpicks4531 yes
Maybe I missed the point because I would just visually match the set of pins with 2 extra long pins to the only corresponding key. Another key only has one large bitting jump. The card would just be used for double checking.... You said fastest way.
I think Allyn the point was to test the concept - not the bitting profiles for these particular keys. 😉
I know... I also thought that the rules stated meant only 3 measurements - 3 individual pins/cuts. With that stipulation, the only solution I could find was case specific.
@@KickassKriss I did say in the commentary that I was defining a ‘measurement’ as the decoding of a key or set of pins - but easy to miss this I guess. 🤷♂️
I don't know how long you've had the card for, but the 2nd run of the DDC-20 was slightly defective, the metal lining being too thin. My card personally had the defect, and pins measured one size smaller.
If you haven't already checked it out, Deviant has a video to test your own card on his channel, and instructions with how to reach out to get a new one (for free) if yours is defective.
th-cam.com/video/_hqPJB-hjgE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Stuart - yep Deviant and I communicated about this and I have one of the updated cards - his response to the manufacturer error has been very impressive. Awesome customer service 😄
3 keys, 15 pins, 3 envelopes, no locks, no picks, and yet another lock sport video that is more than the some of its parts. Fish, you reeled me in, peaked my interest and demonstrated your innate ability to be instructive, and demonstrate your creative talents. Your production value is seamless with an original flare, once again a pleasure to spend tome on your channel.
@@nealarmstrong6068 ah thanks Neal - it’s been a challenging week so this comment really gave me a boost mate. 🙏🙌
Seems red team tools won't post to the UK.
Really? That must have been a very recent change because I ordered mine for UK delivery without a problem 😔
@@fishpicks4531 Hi yeah I emailed them and they said they could not deliver to the UK because of brexit and problems with VAT.
@@wheeler9180 ah that sucks - worst case scenario is use a go between in a country they do post to I guess but it will obviously push the costs up 😞
Do locksport people really consider this a challenge?