I meet Tula during her Playboy days, I was the Director of PR at the time. She was the most amazing person I had ever met! She was charming, beautiful, courageous, inspiring... and hard to believe she was born male. We (with her manager, my PR counterpart) has lunch at LeDome, down the block for the Sunset office, every man we passed looked and smiled - she was gorgeous! I am happy Tula found love again and wish her a wonderful happy life. Congratulation Tula!
Yes iv been a fan of hers since i was a kid and iv talked to her on the phone she is so lovely so genuine, always giving her time to others i did wonder what she would be like but she was so lovely to me and i am nobody special but she made time to chat with me she is a legend!
interesting that she was never born male, she has Klinefelter's syndrome which means that she in her case has XXXY Chromome genotype. Males have XY and females XX.
I don’t understand why people make such a huge deal over this. She was born in the wrong body, had it corrected, just like they would correct a cleft pallet or any other abnormal thing a person can be born with, and then fell in love. Sounds like a survivor to me! We are all humans. Why are we all so mean to one another?! Live and let live.
@@seanlucia6625 wrong. Being a feminine homosexual transsexual IS her box and the Guillamon 2016 study that shows a form of brain intersex in hsts shows it!
@@tula1433 i am transgender myself. We are on the same side lol. I think you misinterpreted my comment. I was referring to why the people in the audience acted so shitty.
@@seanlucia6625 oh absolutely yes. Sadly it’s all linked to feminism and other political fronts. The dislike of an inate feminine male. Tula is completely sexually inverted and the femininity is natural. Radical Femininsts will tell you she’s “putting on” a misogynistic parody of women when I fact she’s just being herself and is allowed to be a beautiful feminine transexual if she wants. That is her right. And if we want “equality of the sexes” then she should be allowed to do as she pleases and follow her inate femininity as a complete invert to its natural path which is what she did.
I honestly believe that Tula was and still is the most beautiful woman in the world! I truly hope that she is vibrant and happy and raking in the bucks because she totally deserves it! She was robbed of her career and life because of an asshole gossip newspaper. I hope she is now wealthy beyond her wildest dreams!
@@shirleya-z794 seething with jealousy clearly. Don’t confuse Tula with Autogynephillic heterosexual men who transition like Jenner. Tula is a true transexual and beautiful, intelligent and funny. A lethal combination that makes certain groups seethe with anger. She doesn’t deny science or biology and is confident in what she is and needs to tell no lies to be herself. She is a TS icon and the Guillamon study in 2016 shows that it’s an intersex condition of the brain, and in Tulas case the chromosomes also. I celebrate her. She didn’t ask for any favors she transitioned and made a name for herself and never played the victim. She deserved the right to call herself a woman. Good for her.
I watched three talk shows with Caroline Cossey. One with Phil Donahue, one with Geraldo, and now this one. Phil was understanding and considerate but his audience was rude and somewhat ignorant, Geraldo himself was a complete jerk and very awkward. Shirley asked more intelligent and informed questions while being very considerate and the Canadian audience was the most understanding and accepting of all.
Caroline inspired me to be the woman I should have been from birth..and for that, and standing up for the right to be legally recognised as female, she deserves applause, and much happiness. I know she's found that with David. I wish Caroline all the happiness in the world♡ God bless you sweetheart♡
Men can never be women. You have a fetish called autogynephilia where you get off on embodying a woman. You will never be one of us. Stay out of female only spaces.
@@cakeprincess7756 well, you see we live in a democracy, where I have the freedom to be what I've ALWAYS felt I should have been. And that's living as a female. "We"exist, my sister's and brothers, so let us live without judgement, or malice.
Those questions were necessary. Maybe the words were not correct but those are questions that a lot of people asked. And she is the perfect person to answer and educate. She is intelligent and doesn’t get all mad and offended. Times have changed on to what to ask a transgender person on tv which is great. But in real life those are the questions we still get asked. It seems like times have not passed. It’s all about you feeling good about yourself and being aware that a lot of people are not empathetic to things they are not going through. It sucks but we have to keep working on educating people.
Considering the era, there was no blueprint for how to address these types of interviews. Especially since the general population would see it as a freak show. Having watched Shirley throughout the 90s, I can tell that here, she's genuinely interested and being as polite and keeping her vocabulary as respectful as possible. The same went for topics involving homosexuality.
This interviewer, apart from being incredibly rude, would rather hear her own voice rather than the people she's supposedly interviewing. Most of her 'questions' are actually statements... the sign of someone who's all about control and her own judgements, not trying to learn.
Shirley is asking all the questions regular folk would have asked in the early 90s. I certainly asked those questions to my trans friends- even in the late 2000s. Everyone goes into a situation with preconceived notions and judgments. But that's why an interview is happening here. We're breaking down the barriers and ignorance. Now, what people like to do in the comments section of TH-cam is nag and bitch about everything. I have a feeling that's what this thread is doing. Furthermore, you cannot judge a 1991/92/93 interview with 2017-18-19 standards.
@@orangefuzzz I agree that some comments don't seem to take the year into account, but she really was rude in some moments. At 41:30 for example, she first asks a question where I thought okay I get that you ask that, but then says "well I was thinking to myself that you were living this lie" which is just so unnecessary. She asked Tula the question she wanted to know already, but saying she was living a lie by having a penis and dancing with cis females didn't contribute anything to the interview aside from positioning her as a freak show
I hate the fact there saying thats a man she was never a fuckin man she was born a boy ok but man noway .. david looks so young ... cossey is classy as ever .
@Mikayla Raymond you are the one trolling my comments just because they threaten your worldview. If you feel so strongly about your opinions provide evidence to back up your claims or stop trolling. You will never convince anyone like me to agree with you without scientific reasoning. Simply stating that you believe a man is a woman without providing any evidence for that opinion just makes you look uneducated and sound like a child.
@@shirleya-z794 she was born with xxxy chromosomes (men are born with xy and women with xx). So she was never really born as only man or woman, but more woman than man if anything. If you truly want scientific backing there is scientific consensus on the topic if you're willing to educate yourself, but I have the feeling your disbelief is due to ignorance and not the lack of scientific backing, so do with that what you will.
@@emmie1176 he was born with a y chromosome. Men are born with a y chromosome. Women can be born with one X (turner syndrome). the thing that defines sex genetically is the presense or lack of a Y chromosome. anyone with a Y chromosome is genetically male, without it they are genetically female.
@@sandralansing980 Really, I was watching a episode of Donahue she was on his show. What I gathered was they had seperated due to the fact when his family had learned of her being transgender summoned him to an ultimatum the marriage was annulled. However, If they are still together and happy that's terrific.
@@robbie-m7n She had not yet met her future husband David Finch at that time. Caroline and David are still together going on 33 years. You are confusing her first marriage to a Jewish, wealthy businessman which was annulled. She had converted to Judaism, he was not concerned about her being transsexual and they were married. Prior to their returning home from their honey moon, the tabloids had released that she was transsexual, which his family did not know. Upon their return, his family summoned only him home and sadly, Caroline never saw him again. She was heartbroken. Fortunately, she met David Finch, they were married in 1992 and they are still together and still in love.
LOVE YA BOTH AND CAROLIN YOU STILL LOOK SO BEUTIFUL HONEY AND A GREAT LADY MISS YOU FROM ATLANTA MUCH LOVE ⚘XOXO AND YOU AND MY MUM ARE FROM THE SAME PLACE ON THE UK 😊 🌻 ⚘
Yeah, it's a bit amazing because often times relationships with men and transsexuals are short lived, lasting no more than 4 or 5 years. That's what I've discovered anyway. However, there is a former entertainer from the famed drag club 'The Queen Mary' in L.A. and her and her husband are still together also after 20 years. I follow her on Facebook.
Anybody else who hates the disclaimer maybe not show to your kids the kids should see this so they can understand adapt and morover be clear it's completely ok if they do not relate to being heterosexual or not relate to the gender they are born with
When the audience laughed when she said “I had my three piece suite removed” she stopped for a second and looked sad but then kept talking about her surgery. I know this is the 90s and becoming transgender was new to people at the time but laughing at her was disrespectful🥺 and also the interviewer was being so unprofessional but the worst part was when she mentioned Caroline’s birth name🤦🏻♀️ I’m so relieved that our society today is getting better of understanding the transgender community❤️
I know it’s a long time ago. But everybody is talking like she has ben a man once. She has never ben a man. She transformed before she ever became a man. She is a transgender woman and never a man! She was once a boy. But That’s not the same as a grown man.
I’m curious to know if Tula was told before the surgery that the birth certificate could not be changed in England. The real risk it seems would have been in Kuwait. I also wonder if the male sex organs were fully developed and if Tula considers the condition as simply a birth defect.
I hate how the interviewer would ask them a question and before they would answer she would interrupt them and go on about some other topic like slow tf down😂😂😂 let your guests speak😅😅😅🤦🏻♀️
Funny thing is back then the US wanted to learn whereas the UK didn’t 🙄 I’ve seen a similar interview like this with Caroline cossey but in the uk the audience was horrendous
I understand the questions for the time it was in, but it comes across as intrusive/rude to me because of how the interviewer leads the interview. It feels like she's poking/trying to see how far she could go. Before this I watched the Donahue episodes and that was so much fun to watch. It felt like an actual conversation and like he meant well. Shirley kinda bores me and feels more like an interrogator
The questions are intrusive but in a way, not a bad thing, as Caroline Cossey is answering the questions perfectly which gives people, with her honesty and elegance, who want to understand or don't understand the topic at all, the information to be able to begin to understand, consider, and/or accept.
This was a Canadian talk show...her name is Shirley Montague...couldn't stand her...awful show...gladly it didn't last long. However Tula and David are both strikingly beautiful. I watched the entire episode just ro look at them! ❤❤
"Did you know Caroline had been a man" when was that? she has always had GD and been xxy chromosome. The interviewer has a slightly abrasive way of asking questions, perhaps she is just unaware, seems a bit snippy and this was in 2015? but still grace under fire from both of them.
Actually there is, only they would likely be mocked and shamed by the media and peers for liking, or being attracted a TW that is why they stay silent.
David isn't impressed by Shirley's attitude this is just a money making thing for the matter did that it really enjoy going around it's planning and educating the world although it's a good service Donahue was the most diplomatic
the way the interviewer kept trying to make Caroline admit to something she is not, she wanted her to have this shame and to constantly give herself away, i recognize this type of disingenuous nature.
That first husband didn't love her. Not even a little bit. He was a weak, cowardly, and unfit man for her to marry. She deserves the best man to be with. She deserves to be loved unconditionally and accepted. So glad the ex's parents were awful, otherwise she might've stayed with that loser and never met David.
I don't think I've ever seen someone do that whole, flirtatious, bite-your-tongue-between-your-teeth-as-you-smile thing as much as Caroline does. It's near constant with her. Makes me think that it's probably a nervous habit she picked up over the years.
Does the interviewer get off on Embarrassing to Le in front of her husband it's really inappropriate very pointy ended questions for ratings I mean have a bit more heart
I disagree with you completely. Some trans individuals, yes, and they have said later, it was not right for them, but this is different. She explains the chromosome situation too, which showed that she was born more feminine than male. Why is it so difficult to understand? It isn't as though she looks more masculine with her facial features so doesn't that tell onlookers something important? It must be the most awful and stressful feeling to know you want to be and look like the opposite sex of how you are physically born. I think a lot of the problem here is women who feel intimidated by how "feminine" she looks, then they think of their own looks...and compare 😂...oh, and btw, yes, I am a female who was born a female, in case anyone reading this comment, is wondering...and yes, I think she is stunningly prettier than I am or ever will be, and I have huge respect for her.
Yes she is, but doesn't it make you want to hear Caroline and David's answers even more and absorb everything they tell her? I know that it has made me feel that way and I understand better, from Caroline's side. I have huge respect for her and her David to listen to this interview and other interviews that they attended.
I wish that blonde would shut up and let Caroline Cossey (Tula) talk! She keeps interrupting Tula and it's irritating. We all want to hear what Tula wants to say, not the host!!!
this person is not the same as an xx or xy transgender individual. She/He has klinefelters syndrome, an intersex condition in which men are born with an extra X chromosome which causes those boys/men to have physical characteristics that are more like women, such as reduced muscle tone, lower testosterone levels, and a higher risk for certain medical conditions that are more common in women, and gynecomastia (man boobs). Not the same as an XY man trying to convince himself he is a woman because he was taught that the things he likes and the way he acts are not acceptable for a man.
The issue of whether an intersex individual is male or female is not even relevant to my original point which was simply that people should stop using intersex people as evidence of there being some kind of biological component to transgender and gender identity disorders. I don't understand the desire of the transgender community to prove that they are genetically mutated when Instead they should just be fighting for their right to express themself as they wish. They should not have to prove any biological justification for expressing their identify through their physical appearance.
@@shirleya-z794 well no ,transgenderism is very much caused by hormonal affect during cellular development in the womb and brain structures in connection to sex characteristics,the body /brain expects certain shape and it isn't met ,true transgenderism is different but similar to other intersex conditions.
No, but not all biological women can get pregnant either. And not all men can get a woman pregnant. Nature has it's flaws and it has nothing to do with God.
And they’ve been happily married for 31 years. That’s a blessing.
That makes me happy! Nice.
From who ????
Do they have children?
I meet Tula during her Playboy days, I was the Director of PR at the time. She was the most amazing person I had ever met! She was charming, beautiful, courageous, inspiring... and hard to believe she was born male. We (with her manager, my PR counterpart) has lunch at LeDome, down the block for the Sunset office, every man we passed looked and smiled - she was gorgeous! I am happy Tula found love again and wish her a wonderful happy life. Congratulation Tula!
Yes iv been a fan of hers since i was a kid and iv talked to her on the phone she is so lovely so genuine, always giving her time to others i did wonder what she would be like but she was so lovely to me and i am nobody special but she made time to chat with me she is a legend!
interesting that she was never born male, she has Klinefelter's syndrome which means that she in her case has XXXY Chromome genotype. Males have XY and females XX.
She really is the complete package. Beautiful, intelligent, funny, sexy. And this enrages people. Good for her.
I'm so jealous 😫
I love that Caroline and David are the best example, that love is love. And in 2024 their marriage is still going strong 💙💙
These two was meant to be together, David seems like a really nice Guy and such a lovely couple!
I don’t understand why people make such a huge deal over this. She was born in the wrong body, had it corrected, just like they would correct a cleft pallet or any other abnormal thing a person can be born with, and then fell in love. Sounds like a survivor to me! We are all humans. Why are we all so mean to one another?! Live and let live.
I think it stems from misogyny. People not fitting into their prescribed boxes. Its threatening.
She was born with a condition that gave her XXXY chromosomes, so she was born very feminine but that Y chromosome gave her male reproductive parts.
@@seanlucia6625 wrong. Being a feminine homosexual transsexual IS her box and the Guillamon 2016 study that shows a form of brain intersex in hsts shows it!
@@tula1433 i am transgender myself. We are on the same side lol. I think you misinterpreted my comment. I was referring to why the people in the audience acted so shitty.
@@seanlucia6625 oh absolutely yes. Sadly it’s all linked to feminism and other political fronts. The dislike of an inate feminine male. Tula is completely sexually inverted and the femininity is natural. Radical Femininsts will tell you she’s “putting on” a misogynistic parody of women when I fact she’s just being herself and is allowed to be a beautiful feminine transexual if she wants. That is her right. And if we want “equality of the sexes” then she should be allowed to do as she pleases and follow her inate femininity as a complete invert to its natural path which is what she did.
Whew, child. Some of these questions and statements were triggering! But Miss Tula pulled through and showed so much grace and poise.
This is one of the better interviewers, within the context of the time. Caroline has a beautiful accent, she reminds me of Jane Seymour.
+Kay Francis and fiona hutchison and jane .... i have always said that
+Kay Francis
Jane Seymour is far more beautiful.
She reminds me of Princess Diana. 🌹
@@SmoothCinnamonX I agree indeed, she has that contagious great warm universal personality.
@@ravenna9969 I agree, she reminds me more of Fiona who played Gabrielle Madina on One Life To Live.
I honestly believe that Tula was and still is the most beautiful woman in the world! I truly hope that she is vibrant and happy and raking in the bucks because she totally deserves it! She was robbed of her career and life because of an asshole gossip newspaper. I hope she is now wealthy beyond her wildest dreams!
you can't be the most beautiful woman in the world if you aren't a woman. Tula can be the most beautiful man in the world though.
@@shirleya-z794 she wasn't even born a man, she was born with xxxy
@@emmie1176 exactly the Y is what makes him genetically male and gave him a penis at birth.
Like to see what the compare would do she was in the same situation
@@shirleya-z794 seething with jealousy clearly. Don’t confuse Tula with Autogynephillic heterosexual men who transition like Jenner. Tula is a true transexual and beautiful, intelligent and funny. A lethal combination that makes certain groups seethe with anger. She doesn’t deny science or biology and is confident in what she is and needs to tell no lies to be herself. She is a TS icon and the Guillamon study in 2016 shows that it’s an intersex condition of the brain, and in Tulas case the chromosomes also. I celebrate her. She didn’t ask for any favors she transitioned and made a name for herself and never played the victim. She deserved the right to call herself a woman. Good for her.
Beautiful lady🌹 Beautiful couple🌹🌹 kudos to Shirley for how she handled the interview! 👍
I watched three talk shows with Caroline Cossey. One with Phil Donahue, one with Geraldo, and now this one. Phil was understanding and considerate but his audience was rude and somewhat ignorant, Geraldo himself was a complete jerk and very awkward. Shirley asked more intelligent and informed questions while being very considerate and the Canadian audience was the most understanding and accepting of all.
Tula is so perfectly beautiful...looking forward to watching the interview in its entirety. Thank you for sharing!
An icon that paved the way for us transgirls! A brave woman! And I need a man like David 🥲
Brave man not woman 🥱🥱
Caroline inspired me to be the woman I should have been from birth..and for that, and standing up for the right to be legally recognised as female, she deserves applause, and much happiness. I know she's found that with David. I wish Caroline all the happiness in the world♡
God bless you sweetheart♡
Men can never be women. You have a fetish called autogynephilia where you get off on embodying a woman. You will never be one of us. Stay out of female only spaces.
You can't talk about God when you are living a lie. No one can change their sex. An xy is an xy and an xx remains an xx.
@@cakeprincess7756 well, you see we live in a democracy, where I have the freedom to be what I've ALWAYS felt I should have been. And that's living as a female. "We"exist, my sister's and brothers, so let us live without judgement, or malice.
David is gorgeous
Those questions were necessary. Maybe the words were not correct but those are questions that a lot of people asked. And she is the perfect person to answer and educate. She is intelligent and doesn’t get all mad and offended. Times have changed on to what to ask a transgender person on tv which is great. But in real life those are the questions we still get asked. It seems like times have not passed. It’s all about you feeling good about yourself and being aware that a lot of people are not empathetic to things they are not going through. It sucks but we have to keep working on educating people.
Caroline is GORJUS and an inspiration, Shirley is "bearable."
Considering the era, there was no blueprint for how to address these types of interviews. Especially since the general population would see it as a freak show. Having watched Shirley throughout the 90s, I can tell that here, she's genuinely interested and being as polite and keeping her vocabulary as respectful as possible. The same went for topics involving homosexuality.
Surely was very very rude and awkward the questions
Beautiful and able to laugh along with it all...
Amazing Woman❤!
This interviewer, apart from being incredibly rude, would rather hear her own voice rather than the people she's supposedly interviewing. Most of her 'questions' are actually statements... the sign of someone who's all about control and her own judgements, not trying to learn.
+kabardinka1 i hate this interview the woman is truly vile one minute i think she is nice the next calling her he and living a lie she is just a fool
I agree, she Isn't and wasn't living a lie. She was just being true to herself, nobody needs to be open to everyone!
+vanessa ford she is just a silly woman i dont think she liked Caroline the qestions and all her talking all i can hear is shit talk from her .
Shirley is asking all the questions regular folk would have asked in the early 90s. I certainly asked those questions to my trans friends- even in the late 2000s. Everyone goes into a situation with preconceived notions and judgments. But that's why an interview is happening here. We're breaking down the barriers and ignorance.
Now, what people like to do in the comments section of TH-cam is nag and bitch about everything. I have a feeling that's what this thread is doing. Furthermore, you cannot judge a 1991/92/93 interview with 2017-18-19 standards.
@@orangefuzzz I agree that some comments don't seem to take the year into account, but she really was rude in some moments. At 41:30 for example, she first asks a question where I thought okay I get that you ask that, but then says "well I was thinking to myself that you were living this lie" which is just so unnecessary. She asked Tula the question she wanted to know already, but saying she was living a lie by having a penis and dancing with cis females didn't contribute anything to the interview aside from positioning her as a freak show
Caroline is so beautiful and classy. I love her speaking voice.
I hate the fact there saying thats a man she was never a fuckin man she was born a boy ok but man noway .. david looks so young ... cossey is classy as ever .
she is beautiful, with flawless facial features.
ugh! right off the bat Shirley says "...is really a man!" seriously not cool! how awful for you Caroline.
how awful to state the truth.
@@shirleya-z794 Exactly, he IS a man.
Yes she is a fighter she is British
I come from thailand... I heard ur story since i was young.... Im really admiring u mama Caroline.... U r the Iconic
This is so hard to listen to today: "he," "a man," etc. We've come a long way, and still have a longer way to go.
D JC A very long way to go! And I might add…If God doesn’t destroy Hollywood he owes Sodom & GaMaura an apology!
he is a man.
@@shirleya-z794 and you’re probably gay
she is incredible......... a true woman....
a true woman is born witha vagina not a penis.
@Mikayla Raymond you are the one trolling my comments just because they threaten your worldview. If you feel so strongly about your opinions provide evidence to back up your claims or stop trolling. You will never convince anyone like me to agree with you without scientific reasoning. Simply stating that you believe a man is a woman without providing any evidence for that opinion just makes you look uneducated and sound like a child.
@@shirleya-z794 she was born with xxxy chromosomes (men are born with xy and women with xx). So she was never really born as only man or woman, but more woman than man if anything. If you truly want scientific backing there is scientific consensus on the topic if you're willing to educate yourself, but I have the feeling your disbelief is due to ignorance and not the lack of scientific backing, so do with that what you will.
@@emmie1176 he was born with a y chromosome. Men are born with a y chromosome. Women can be born with one X (turner syndrome). the thing that defines sex genetically is the presense or lack of a Y chromosome. anyone with a Y chromosome is genetically male, without it they are genetically female.
True man not woman
So proud of her! She gives the trans community a positive outlook!
They are still married in 2024🎀
Did they ever have children ?
@@sandralansing980 Really, I was watching a episode of Donahue she was on his show. What I gathered was they had seperated due to the fact when his family had learned of her being transgender summoned him to an ultimatum the marriage was annulled. However, If they are still together and happy that's terrific.
@@robbie-m7n She had not yet met her future husband David Finch at that time. Caroline and David are still together going on 33 years. You are confusing her first marriage to a Jewish, wealthy businessman which was annulled. She had converted to Judaism, he was not concerned about her being transsexual and they were married. Prior to their returning home from their honey moon, the tabloids had released that she was transsexual, which his family did not know. Upon their return, his family summoned only him home and sadly, Caroline never saw him again. She was heartbroken. Fortunately, she met David Finch, they were married in 1992 and they are still together and still in love.
I can just think she is so pretty
Princess Diana into Le were brought up and educated around the same area in Norfolk Norwich and have similar sorts of English
"bugger off" LOL!
Tula, Pam and Shirley were beautiful!!!
LOVE YA BOTH AND CAROLIN YOU STILL LOOK SO BEUTIFUL HONEY AND A GREAT LADY MISS YOU FROM ATLANTA MUCH LOVE ⚘XOXO AND YOU AND MY MUM ARE FROM THE SAME PLACE ON THE UK 😊 🌻 ⚘
Absolutely Gorgeous, both of you xx
Yes, both Tula and Shirley👠💋🌹
I still can't believe their still together..
Yeah, it's a bit amazing because often times relationships with men and transsexuals are short lived, lasting no more than 4 or 5 years. That's what I've discovered anyway. However, there is a former entertainer from the famed drag club 'The Queen Mary' in L.A. and her and her husband are still together also after 20 years. I follow her on Facebook.
Yeah I mean If I were tula I'd never let him leave the house 🏠 😏 😍😍🥰🥰😍😍🥰🥰😘
They been happily married for 32 years now ❤❤
Did they ever have kids?
THATS BECAUSE YOU HAVE LIMITED IMAGINATION!
Anybody else who hates the disclaimer maybe not show to your kids the kids should see this so they can understand adapt and morover be clear it's completely ok if they do not relate to being heterosexual or not relate to the gender they are born with
When the audience laughed when she said “I had my three piece suite removed” she stopped for a second and looked sad but then kept talking about her surgery. I know this is the 90s and becoming transgender was new to people at the time but laughing at her was disrespectful🥺 and also the interviewer was being so unprofessional but the worst part was when she mentioned Caroline’s birth name🤦🏻♀️ I’m so relieved that our society today is getting better of understanding the transgender community❤️
I know it’s a long time ago. But everybody is talking like she has ben a man once. She has never ben a man. She transformed before she ever became a man. She is a transgender woman and never a man!
She was once a boy. But That’s not the same as a grown man.
Surgery at 20 so yeah a man
@ Not really.
@@vforsejrv7801 yeah really. By 2 yrs actually
Amazing! Couple! 👌💕
Yes.
Live and let live.
❤
2024
She is gorgeous 😍😍😍 her life history is interesting
Orgulho de vc🇧🇷🏳️⚧❤️😢
I’m curious to know if Tula was told before the surgery that the birth certificate could not be changed in England. The real risk it seems would have been in Kuwait. I also wonder if the male sex organs were fully developed and if Tula considers the condition as simply a birth defect.
I hate how the interviewer would ask them a question and before they would answer she would interrupt them and go on about some other topic like slow tf down😂😂😂 let your guests speak😅😅😅🤦🏻♀️
Funny thing is back then the US wanted to learn whereas the UK didn’t 🙄 I’ve seen a similar interview like this with Caroline cossey but in the uk the audience was horrendous
So do you think the USA was more progressive at the time?
CRT V I dunno I’m just going by what Caroline cossey thought. Today the uk is still very transphobic
Or the interview was jealous of Carolyn cozzies good looks
She angel she has a glow around her pure sweet
What a weird interview. The questions are so...intrusive.
@MsMsmak What a stupid comment to make.
eh ...not really
I understand the questions for the time it was in, but it comes across as intrusive/rude to me because of how the interviewer leads the interview. It feels like she's poking/trying to see how far she could go. Before this I watched the Donahue episodes and that was so much fun to watch. It felt like an actual conversation and like he meant well. Shirley kinda bores me and feels more like an interrogator
People often feel they have automatic rights to private knowledge of trans people's bodies.
The questions are intrusive but in a way, not a bad thing, as Caroline Cossey is answering the questions perfectly which gives people, with her honesty and elegance, who want to understand or don't understand the topic at all, the information to be able to begin to understand, consider, and/or accept.
Thank you :)
Who the heck is Shirley?! Not from the US. Never heard of her! Tula is beautiful as always.
This was a Canadian talk show...her name is Shirley Montague...couldn't stand her...awful show...gladly it didn't last long. However Tula and David are both strikingly beautiful. I watched the entire episode just ro look at them! ❤❤
"Did you know Caroline had been a man" when was that? she has always had GD and been xxy chromosome.
The interviewer has a slightly abrasive way of asking questions, perhaps she is just unaware, seems a bit snippy and this was in 2015? but still grace under fire from both of them.
She’s XXXY. Chromosome speaking she’s more woman than man but that pesky Y chromosome gave her male features.
The interview is from 1991 or 1992
She’s a woman...that’s all that matters
Oh wow. Not many men like that.
Actually there is, only they would likely be mocked and shamed by the media and peers for liking, or being attracted a TW that is why they stay silent.
A lot of men and even women like transwomen .. more than what you might think
Tula reminds me of Princess Diana
David isn't impressed by Shirley's attitude this is just a money making thing for the matter did that it really enjoy going around it's planning and educating the world although it's a good service Donahue was the most diplomatic
good luck tula stay awesome x
Smiled and looked a lot like Diana
She's a very beautiful woman
That rice commercial was so racist lol
SPIRIT GUIDES HELPED TO BRING THEM TOGETHER!
What year was this wow she's one of the older trans
the way the interviewer kept trying to make Caroline admit to something she is not, she wanted her to have this shame and to constantly give herself away, i recognize this type of disingenuous nature.
In profile, David looks like former Formula One driver Michael Schumacher.
That first husband didn't love her. Not even a little bit. He was a weak, cowardly, and unfit man for her to marry. She deserves the best man to be with. She deserves to be loved unconditionally and accepted. So glad the ex's parents were awful, otherwise she might've stayed with that loser and never met David.
2:50 They were both at the *wrong* place at the _right_ time!
I don't think I've ever seen someone do that whole, flirtatious, bite-your-tongue-between-your-teeth-as-you-smile thing as much as Caroline does. It's near constant with her. Makes me think that it's probably a nervous habit she picked up over the years.
The Adam's Apple...ouch, that sounds sensitive.
Which year was that
1991 or 1992
She was lucky to secure this guy.
Does the interviewer get off on Embarrassing to Le in front of her husband it's really inappropriate very pointy ended questions for ratings I mean have a bit more heart
How old is she now. Is she still married
This is her channel lol
They're still married
I can't stand this talk show hosts. She'd terrible. Inappropriate questions. No wonder she didn't make it in America.
The blonde interviewer is gorgeous
This interviewer is so inappropriate
Couldn't talk to coding since she was t lady every bit the fully-fledged woman
This calm sound in her voice what is that suppose to do. It does nothing. Idenity crisis is all this is.
I disagree with you completely. Some trans individuals, yes, and they have said later, it was not right for them, but this is different. She explains the chromosome situation too, which showed that she was born more feminine than male. Why is it so difficult to understand? It isn't as though she looks more masculine with her facial features so doesn't that tell onlookers something important? It must be the most awful and stressful feeling to know you want to be and look like the opposite sex of how you are physically born. I think a lot of the problem here is women who feel intimidated by how "feminine" she looks, then they think of their own looks...and compare 😂...oh, and btw, yes, I am a female who was born a female, in case anyone reading this comment, is wondering...and yes, I think she is stunningly prettier than I am or ever will be, and I have huge respect for her.
11:31 11:42 23:32 39:36 42:39..
Is that your hair or a wig. A Farrah look. If it’s a wig, where can women get it?
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وش دخل الاسباني وش قاعد تلخبط انت
Wow Tula had better legs than most women have.
You can just say she has nice legs lol
@@NatsumiTakanawa well i mean he's not wrong she one of the most beautiful woman ever
The interviewer…yikes very unprofessional
Yes she is, but doesn't it make you want to hear Caroline and David's answers even more and absorb everything they tell her? I know that it has made me feel that way and I understand better, from Caroline's side. I have huge respect for her and her David to listen to this interview and other interviews that they attended.
Lmao 😂
Gorgeous but obviously strange guy just going from this interview and the way he comes across
what do you mean ?
Well I mean the guy is clearly nervous. He goes from being a random student to suddenly being on national television.
@@NatsumiTakanawa he's nervous to admit his girlfriend is a man.
@UCcKgPK0v-lxM2Cuj6qkgVCw and you're afraid to admit your a little bitch
I wish that blonde would shut up and let Caroline Cossey (Tula) talk! She keeps interrupting Tula and it's irritating. We all want to hear what Tula wants to say, not the host!!!
Wow....the only trans I've seen that could totally had me fooled.
Tula tiene la manzana de adan
this person is not the same as an xx or xy transgender individual. She/He has klinefelters syndrome, an intersex condition in which men are born with an extra X chromosome which causes those boys/men to have physical characteristics that are more like women, such as reduced muscle tone, lower testosterone levels, and a higher risk for certain medical conditions that are more common in women, and gynecomastia (man boobs). Not the same as an XY man trying to convince himself he is a woman because he was taught that the things he likes and the way he acts are not acceptable for a man.
Fail! Chromosomes don't determine gender. There are XY individuals born with Androgen Insensitivity even naturally born with vaginas.
The issue of whether an intersex individual is male or female is not even relevant to my original point which was simply that people should stop using intersex people as evidence of there being some kind of biological component to transgender and gender identity disorders.
I don't understand the desire of the transgender community to prove that they are genetically mutated when Instead they should just be fighting for their right to express themself as they wish. They should not have to prove any biological justification for expressing their identify through their physical appearance.
shirley A-z actually she has an even rarer case of Klinefelter’s, she has two extra X chromosomes, meaning she’s XXXY
@@shirleya-z794 well no ,transgenderism is very much caused by hormonal affect during cellular development in the womb and brain structures in connection to sex characteristics,the body /brain expects certain shape and it isn't met ,true transgenderism is different but similar to other intersex conditions.
@@loveandletlove8529 there is no evidence to support your claim.
Can transgender women get pregnant?
No, but when that day comes GOD will come down to clean house.
with goddess I don’t think so.
@@pearlydae we are all Gods children .. All humans have imperfections. let he or she cast the first stone...
no, they are men, they have no uterus.
No, but not all biological women can get pregnant either. And not all men can get a woman pregnant. Nature has it's flaws and it has nothing to do with God.
Masculine facial expressions
androgynous people are the most beautiful you peice of shit
What does that even mean?
Oh please. You would never know she was trans if it wasn't being spoken about. You people are desperate 😂
Big wide set eyes and small nose? Her face is more feminine than most cis women’s