for some one that sells tv's found this amazing, i set this tv up the other day and knew some thing wasnt right straight off the bat with blooming, got a sub out of me!
With local dimming turned on the picture looked fantastic to me! I don’t no why you would watch any TV that has local dimming and not have it turned on. I’m glad that you point all the pro’s and con’s no matter how insignificant or significant they maybe, it makes for a very informative review…. Keep up the good work
Because gaming modes often switch off LD and backlight, and a slew of motion processing to improve the latency. And, if you have 2 TV's with the same hardware and the same LD, both could choose to use it differently with their unique upscalers or firmware choices and software ie Sony using LG panels, et Al. Testing with LD off, can tell you more about the Local Dimming's settings, strength and weakness in content, notably where it's going to be crushing black content when the LD has to make choices or allow for custom options. For normal watching, it's useful to get a baseline so you can tell when it's off or slow to work. Especially on 21:9 or 2.35:1 borders with subtitles, the LD contrast vs non-LD contrast would make the subtitles a different level of brightness when the LD algorithm decides to turn off or on where subtitles appear and disappear quickly, leaving a flash or smudge/blur behind. Backlight bleed and bloom can also be significant on wide angle so it's useful to test if the backlight/LD is insulated or the LD control is fast and efficient.
I recently saw the QN85A at BestBuy for the first time. Although it was limited what I could see I was amazed how good the TV looked. It was very bright with very dark areas and looked like a VA panel. I seriously thinking of buy the 75" but they were sold out. That's how good this TV looks. This TV looks better than it does on paper.
@@carlcat I just ordered a 65” from Walmart a week ago for 1400, tax and delivery included made it 1600, it deliverers Friday❗️ I say get it online dude it’s some cyber week deals going on too still✅
@@jgoldy5166 I saw this TV in another store. Off angle the TV does lose a lot of contrast in both bright and dark but straight on the TV looks as good, if not better than any flagship TV I've seen. Best of luck with your new TV.
I have a important question for anyone willing to respond. In your personal opinions. Would you Buy a new Samsung QN85A 55 inch for $779 or Buy a Sony X95J 65 inch new for $1479. With a promised $379 refund upon delevery so final $1100. I'm so flipping lost & confused on which one to jump on. The orders are secured for both. Just have to cancel 1. "HELP"!!!!😩
Samsung is so painful. They have disappointed me for the past few years. They have the tech to put together a winning set, but they chose to cheap out on core TV specs.
@@Aggrofool only the 50" model, all others are VA. My 55 is confirmed to be VA. Reference Rtings, Value Electronics, B the installer, Fomo, Whispering status 74, and HD TV' Vincent Teoh.
Please do a review of the 85" with the VA panel! I would love to see how the blacks and contrast do on the VA panel with all the dimming zones... VA + 576 dimming zones on the 85" would turn that "fake contrast" you mentioned in the video from the IPS panels, into actual bloody brilliant contrast...
Yup still nothing done with reviews for 85 inch va panel qn85a or b. A travesty since it could be a huge bargain. 1000 dollars cheaper if not more in Canada.
Thanks so much for this detailed review. I have been looking at getting the QN85A 75" or the 85" version; this review helped me make my decision: I chose the 75" version, since I do not want a VA panel, taking all pro/cons into consideration. The ADS panel on the 75" is definitely better once you look at both of them next to each other in real life. This TV (QN85A) is by far the most expensive one I ever purchased, I've bought good working cars for less.🤣 I currently have the Samsung 82QT with the VA panel, and the QN85 will definitely outperform it, albeit slightly smaller. Thanks again for your unbiased reviews, I appreciate it!
@@1981fuentes It’s a very sharp and extremely bright TV, 4K blue rays look excellent. Color accuracy is unbelievable. I got it on sale for $2,000 at Costco. Also the sound is much better since it has rear firing speakers on top of the front down firing pair.
wow, thats definitely different than my decision.. the horrible contrast and black levels on the IPS panel are a no go for me. 85" with the VA panel is going to be the one I choose.... I mean, i guess if you have 30 people watching it from every angle of a very large room, IPS is going to be better for those people on the outskirts... but man, I don't know why anyone would choose horrible contrast and blacks over the VA for any other reason
nice review. often i find rtings reviews pretty generic but this one really teased out some peculiarities. i've just ordered one of these and got a great deal on it. really looking forward. suits me as i live in a pretty bright environment. the IPS trickery with the local dimming is an interesting approach, that's why i appreciate reviews that go into real world experience, because often ubiquitous tests don't really tell the full story. good digging
Had this set for a week now and I’m very happy with it. It does almost everything I could want it to do. the menu ads are a touch annoying but I’ve largely started to forget about them. and the Smart Things app is nice for doing certain things to avoid menu diving. the brightness is great and the colours are awesome, hdr is great too. I do notice a little dse but it’s not enough to warrant me sending it back and dealing with all that jazz. Ambient mode is fantastic. And something I didn’t see in any review is a cool feature called Music Wall, which is like a software based music visualiser. As soon as you Bluetooth your tunes to it, it starts up, and from there you can either go back to ambient mode or switch the display off entirely. Google assistant wouldn’t login for me, but for some reason doing the setup with the inbuilt browser solved it. wish samsung would organise the menu bar a bit better but I suspect it’s laid out the way it is to give those little ads facetime. Only other thing is I would say my game mode experience was mixed, took a while to find the right settings and I would say some games are better off without it. From what I can tell the Game mode does a better job with 4K rather than 1080 but ymmv. Cheers
It’s an ips to it tests bad. They said real life scenarios look a lot better. I had the 85a and I was very happy with it. I wanted a brighter picture and I think the 85a is a good buy at around $1300-1500 though so I upgraded to the 90a.
Read the written review, they said "'Dynamic', we measured a contrast of 9243:1, 9409:1 in 'PC' mode, and 20,019:1 with Game Mode enabled. It also looks better with actual content than it does with our test pattern because the local dimming works well in real scenes to hide the fact that it’s an ADS panel."
You’re going to get DSE chance with any tv. They call it the panel lottery for a reason. Go take a peak in the A90J owners forum on panel issues, and that’s a $4000 65” variant OLED.
i just got back from the store and the lg c1 was next to the qn85a and im sorry the samsung tv loooked way way better then the oled with bassicly no brightness
I need an answer to what seems to be a dichotomy but shouldnt be. The set measures only decent contrast but excellent HDR. How can they both be true. Isnt HDR dependent on a great definition between things on screen? Isnt HDR also dependent on great contrast? Are we now understanding that great contrast isnt as important to HDR or do the sets measurements improve when HDR content is shown? The numbers dont seem to add up when the overall performance is looked at. Whats the story with this set?
I ordered a Q95T tv but they called and said that its out of stock now and they are "upgrading" me to the QN85A. Should I go for it? According to the RTINGS website the Q95T is better, I know, but it is still an "older" hardware. Please advise.
I think QN85A is a downgrade to the Q95T. I'm currently in the same situation now as you were. Checked with TV sellers in my country and they no longer have the Q95T and are offering the QN85A. I think the Q80T is better (according to RTINGS) except for the brightness.
Samsung is nickel and dimeing their customers. All they really had to do was put a VA panel in this TV to make it a decent TV but noooooooooooooooooo. I think they blew it this year.
Why would you measure black uniformity with local dimming disabled when one of the biggest features of this tv is the local dimming...it doesn't make sense.!!
Bruh 120hz 4k at 5ms imput lag... I'm getting this tv before my birthday next month hopefully! I played on it at my friends and his 30fps games on ps5 looked like 60fps games that's how smooth the screen played, absolute madness these Koreans are so talented at making these haha
So this makes alot more sense than people acknowledge. for maybe 3 years the q80 and q90 have been extremely close in picture performance. Now you have something with very different strengths and in the end it'll be a good tv. If folks dont like it they make a qn90a, qn800a, and qn900a.
Thank you all for your hard work and delivering thorough content! I’m trying to decide how my money is best spent. Is it quality or quantity (size)? My budget is about $3,500. I mostly watch movies at night in a fairly dark room and sports at all times of the day where the room will have a few windows. Our curtains work reasonably well, so the light isn’t terribly bad. The viewing angle isn’t too important to me but, my prominent seating position is about 12ft from the TV. What would you recommend? Quality of picture or size, obviously a balance of both but, here’s where I can’t make a decision. Do I go for the Sony A80j (77”) or save a couple of bucks for a bigger screen with the Samsung QN85A (85”)? Thank you!
I also sit at 12 feet from my TV. Last year I bought a 65", going for quality over size, even though I kept hearing people saying to go for size. That was a mistake. I find myself in a chair halfway between my couch and the TV when gaming, and am selling that TV to a friend (who's room is much smaller) and am going to buy a 77" Sony OLED. I'd say for you to go for at least a 75".
I would go with lg c1 it’s better then Sony a80j for oled and if you want a bright tv then go Samsung qn90a if your going for big sizes. But that’s my advice. If you really want a Sony then yea go with sony a80j it’s better then qn85a that’s a tv I would personally avoid.
@@cooldaddyslick6869 I love it. It’s definitely one of the best I have had. However, as I do a lot of dark room viewing, OLED would be my next upgrade after 5 years or so. It’s getting better and better.
@@chistisadaf I have a G1 and the picture is nice but don't think I'll buy another one. With lcd I don't have to sorry about burn-in and all things being equal the lcd will be cheaper. Plus lcds can look ALMOST as good as oled
So is the 85inch with the different panel a decent buy? Or should i get the 90a in the 75 for the same price? It's to be wall mounted in my media room, using as a monitor only as audio will be driven elsewhere. Seating position in 3.8m to screen.. Thoughts?
Hey Simon! So without testing the TV with the VA panel, we can't say exactly how it would stack up, however we would expect to see improvement in the contrast and black uniformity which are the two biggest differences between the two TVs we tested. At that distance, using our size to distance calculator, we'd suggest the bigger TV, but this is more preference based and subjective.
Interesting how mini-led was purportedly going to level the playing field with OLED but in reality seems like it just doubles down on Samsung's existing bright-room dominance.
Very nice review thank you. I've been looking at LG Sony and Samsung. Looking at numbers on a piece of paper or a review only means only so much to me.. Samsung is very bright and looks great in many different places. I like the windows open. Let there be light. I know it's not the perfect TV but I'm leaning towards this new Samsung. Thank you.
Once again Samsung has one step forward and two steps back with some dumb decisions. And their infuriating unwillingness to pay for Dolby Vision is just baffling.
What I can't wrap my head around is they rated this pos at 8.2 overall. I'd say more like 6.5 just for brightness and gaming features, the viewing angles aren't no good if you got all that blooming off center. SMH
it seems motion blurr is really bad on the QN90A, i have the Q8 from costo i’m guessing is the Q80T, but dirty screen effect is bad i can see it with any content so i’m taking it back
R U serious?? Are you new to RTINGS or did you use them several years ago? If you knew them 3 or more years ago is very different to RTINGS today, it's actually been heartbreaking what has happen to them, they weren't only the best review site around but they were by FAR the best.
Without testing it, it's tough to say for sure. After doing some research though, it seems like the QN88A has a better speaker, but otherwise they should be similar overall. We also saw some reports that panel type could very, but we couldn't find much to confirm those claims. Sorry about that!
How can a TV have the following "CONS" (I quote from RTings site): - Low native contrast that can result in noticeable blooming (1300:1), score: 6.7 - Backlight isn't flicker-free (PWM @120 Hz) And (I add): - DSE score of 7.2 (which you say is "decent") - Black uniformity of 6.0 (which you say is "mediocre") - Only 1 HDMI 2.1 port (yours vote for gaming is 8.4 LOL) - Sound quality of 6.5 in "frequency response" (quote: the bass is pretty bad with almost no punch to it) and 5.8 in "distortion" (quote: the distortion on the Samsung is disappointing) - Still no Dolby Vision. And getting an overall score of 8.2? HOW?
Really wish you guys would test TVs for PCM 5.1 support over eARC! But I know you are working on it for the future and anxiously look forward to that update to the test bench! And please, do so in a way that does not override the EDID! Many thanks and good work!
Samsung VA display THE BEST-SELLING LIE, RTINGS Lying again look at this blooming & clouding QN90A VA panel display, ADS is accurate and better better than VA display and both have the same dark level th-cam.com/video/NUjIIVR-5og/w-d-xo.html
It's pretty amazing though how that extremely low contrast ratio even with local dimming is so different in perception. The "Installer" guy did a comparison with the QN90A and head on the 85A looked just as black and punchy in colors etc. Yet in Rtings the QN90A has over 26,000:1 with local dimming which is highest ever I think for LED. Yet the 85A only ~1,900:1.. That is something close to 13x less contrast ratio. The QN90A can even look to have more bloom in some situations. What gives? I am desperate to see a review of the Sony X95J.. The X90J might look nice, but it's not very bright.
Do you know this from experience, or from what you have read on the internet? AVS members who OWN the Q90A are not having blooming issues. A FW upgrade improved the LD algorithm. Base software was exuding some blooming, specifically on the 55”.
It's because of the stupid (sorta) IPS panel sourced from BOE they used on this one. A confusing decision they made considering even many of their cheap Crystal UHD TV series also use VA panel which does help significantly in contrast against other competing cheap TVs in the same class. Why Samsung !? Hopefully the Q90A and Q95A will fare way better than this and use better VA panel. If they still use VA in those sets, can expect the contrast will improve tremendously over this Q85A, resulting less to none blooming thanks to Mini LED.
@@TurboGuy979 I am not saying it's a fact I don't trust all reviews because it's in the eyes of the beholder and there are tricks to lower perception of blooming.. That said the QN90A is extremely overpriced in Canada. It's true what you say with 55".. I don't know why every single reviewer CONSTANTLY only review 55" in all TV's.. It's a big difference in zone count on a 90A between 55 and 65.
it seems the 85 has worst black crush but seems to be better tv to me then the qn90a LOL because of the brightness and contrast of the qn90a it clips whites and colors making them washed out, qn85 colors looked more rich, people bash isp panels yet they have better motion blurr at the cost of other futures
Well the 85" QN85A has a VA panel... just like the QN90A... so if they were comparing 85" that would explain it... I wish RTINGS would test an 85" so we could see what a good version of this TV looks like
We're buying units as soon as they become available! The A90J is the first Sony TV we've been able to test this year. The early access results are live right now on our website!
@@RTINGSdotcom if you have to buy all the TV's you test, what do you do with all of them after testing them ? And I was looking forward to the Sony 4k lcd model x90j.
We keep them for a period of time, to do retests and things. Once' we're done with them, we sell them! You can read more about that here: www.rtings.com/company/products-for-sale
@@tomzuriel9480 Just close the curtains when watching tv and open it when not>?? like that should solve your problem with air. Or maybe just buy blinds? it gets the air through but blocks most of the light
@@tomzuriel9480 Its not an issue, they are simply not as bright as some modern LED backlit TV's. What did you do before LED backlit TV's were around? You must of had a terrible life, what with having a TV screen slightly impeded by sunlight. My living room catches the sun during the day but my E6 has never had any major issues displaying a perfectly suitable picture, so maybe you do have a faulty screen? Certainly you seem to be implying its a major problem, which its not, so that would indicate you have a fault.
@@tomzuriel9480 Not an issue I've experienced and I'm pretty sure that OLED would not be the leading mainstream TV technology if it were such an issue. Did you seriously replace an OLED with an old LED TV? Haha.
Hey! We didn't review the Q95T as it was a European variant, but we did review the Q90T and expect them to perform similarly for the most part. Overall, we give the edge to the Q90T though. The 55 inch QN85A uses an IPS panel, so it has a low native contrast ratio but has wider viewing angles. While local dimming helps improve the contrast in actual content, there's still some noticeable blooming and IPS glow, so it may not be the best choice if you watch a lot of movies in the dark. The Q90T, on the other hand, is more consistent across different uses. It has a VA panel with a high contrast ratio and good black uniformity, and thanks to the 'Ultra Viewing Angle' layer, it has decent viewing angles. It also has a slightly faster response time than the QN85A. While it doesn't get as bright as the QN85A, its high contrast gives it a slight edge with HDR content.
Which one is most value for watching football/soccer and netflix, no gaming? Bright room in the summer. 75" QN90b 2500€ 75" QN85A 1800€ 75" QN85B 2000€ Is it worth paying €700 more for the QN90B than the QN85A?
In this case, we'd actually encourage you to check out our comparison tool so that you can see how these TVs compare to each other and which one is better in the areas that are important to you. If it's still unclear or you have specific questions about the comparison, feel free to follow up! www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c2-oled-vs-lg-b2-oled/31229/31240?usage=1&threshold=0.10
love the website, but since I'm not a picture geek, I have a hard time interpreting all the data, the most important thing is that the picture is good when I watch sports. looking straight from the front in a bright room.
Overall, the LG C1 is the better TV. The Samsung can get much brighter though, and if you watch content with a lot of static images, the Samsung doesn't have a risk for burn-in. You can compare them side-by-side here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-qn85a-qled-vs-lg-c1-oled/21552/21421?usage=11&threshold=0.10
If we have any updates, they’re be posted in the full review on our website! Feel free to keep an eye on it! www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn85a-qled
@josh matt I have had both (in 65') and easily prefer the X95J over the Qn85a. The Sony is run on an VA and the Samsung IPS. The Q was very bright and the colors we're all over the place, also the apps were a pain. The Sony is more of natural viewing experience, with plenty of light and true colors. The processor works great and the Google app setup was easy to use. The Samsung did get the win on the remote.
@@ercaelis2053 Would you take a New QN85A 55 inch for $779 or a New Sony X95J 65 inch for $1479 With a promised $379 refund upon delevery. I could really use some help on this one lol.
@@ercaelis2053 price is a factor for sure but if it's really worth the upgrade for the price difference then I'll make it work. Need to save as much as possiable but also don't plan on shopping for another TV for 10yrs. At leased I hope. Now they just offered me the 65 QN90A for the same discounted price as the Sony. Talk about making my decision even more difficult lol.
@@michaeldavis6550 There is a reason that the Samsung is dropping their price as much as they are and Sony isn't. I feel if it's a long term investment, invest in what you truly want. Samsung is a good TV, I just feel that me, personally, the Sony doesn't make me 2nd guess my choice.
i would hope that you looked at the blooming on more than one video because the type of file and the way its hooked up play into that effect quite often even on my oled sets.
Oleds don't have blooming. That's your eyes playing tricks on you. In a pitch black room on a pitch black screen play something white and bright. Cover the white and you'll see no blooming. Could also be astigmatism.
It seems that the QN90a 85 inch model isn’t available in Australia. Are you able to confirm this, RTINGS? Would appreciate if you could. I can’t get any info here in any of the Australian retailers. Thanks.
Hi, I'm trying to decide between getting a 65 inch Hisense H9G for $949.99 or a 65 inch Vizio Oled for $1499.99 (If it goes on sale again. It's $1799.99 right now.), both at Best Buy. Is the Vizio Oled worth the extra $550? I don't have a PS5 or Xbox Series X or S yet but plan to get them in about 2 or 3 years when they're cheaper. With the Hisense H9G I would have to buy another tv when I get the new consoles to use the systems at 4K 120hz since it doesn't have HDMI 2.1, so is it worth saving money buying the H9G now and buying a tv with HDMI 2.1 later? My main concern right now is picture quality in SDR, Dolby Vision, HDR10, HDR10+ (since both have it) and streaming. Also, do these tvs have tv or source led Dolby Vision? I'm not concerned about burn in on the Vizio Oled because I only occasionally play video games and watch content with static images. My room is dark to dimly lit with only mild sun light and no direct sunlight. Also, I would love to see an updated comparison video compairing the LG CX, Sony A8H, Hisense H9G, Vizio Oled, Sony X900H, and Sony X950H. Thank you in advance for reading my email and for any advice you give me.
Hi Steven! So if you plan on getting a next gen console and you'll want a TV that supports HDMI 2.1, it might make more sense to purchase a TV that supports those features now, instead of buying a TV now and again in a few years. Ultimately though, that is up to you! As far as the Vizo OLED vs the H9G goes here are the details! First, they both support Dolby Vision. The picture quality edge overall goes to the OLED TV though. If you're not concerned about the limited brightness of the Vizio OLED, it's the better TV for movies and gaming.
Corps that review Sammy's typically do not cover Panasonic. Not sure why that is but I guess Samsung must have some sort of clause in the deals they make.
You can tell Samsung is having some changes. Their Display division used to make LCD panels. Clearly now Samsung Electronics is shopping for panels outside the company.. Samsung display is now doing QD-OLED and QNED. This is a transition phase for Samsung. But they sure loves to charge a premium. Imagine how cheap this 85A panel must be. Total budget yet they charge huge amount for the TV because of MiniLED.
Hmm kinda makes sense. Although yeah I feel kinda disgusted when it turns out to be sourced from BOE, considering how expensive this TV is, it's simply not acceptable alongside the blooming seems almost no difference to regular FALD TV, it's madness. Should have use VA panel instead, I don't need super bright TV, contrast is more important.
@@obidean3964 That's the really interesting part. The Sony LED TVs have very few dimming zones, no MiniLED but they still do exceptionally well in blooming and black level tests. Even tough tests with instruments show pretty low contrast ratio. Sony works some algorithm magic and they can appear deep black. I think it's ironically because they use less zones. They have more control and use the lights instead to help dim and not just zones. It's only really in pitch black rooms or there is an "overlay" of a bright object a bloom appears. Which is barely 1% of the time using the TVs. I am curious how the X90J and X95J will do this year.
@@loki76 We got X90H and the blooming is actually apparent especially when watching Netflix with subs from off angle or if the credit starts rolled in with all menu at the corners. Still I love the TV, Sony color out of box is excellent (Expert preset is the best), Dolby Vision content also looks great, Android TV is snappy. So, kinda expecting Samsung's Neo QLED got better handling of the issue since they make big deal during the last CES but turned out, no at least for the lower end models like this Q85A. Weirdly I find their last year's Q80 is very good at handling blooming, better than X90H (probably thanks in part to contrasty VA/PLS panel it use) but the price is way more than our Sony, so we ended up with it and we're extremely happy with the Sony :) Agree I'm also curious how this year X90 will fare, hopefully the blooming issue has been reduced. One thing I know that X95 has almost significantly better picture quality, brighter but sadly in my place, X90H was the Sony flagship for LCD before OLED lineup.
@@obidean3964 Yes off-angle is always going to be an issue with VA panels. And as you mentioned the blooming only really occur with "overlays". Such as subs or a menu popping in that is bright in contrast. But content that is a part of an image seldom bloom. If you know what I mean.. The Q80 I find though has more of an overall grey tone to the blacks. There is something with the algorithms too. Even though the QN90A can be really really black and have way higher contrast ratio than a 900H or 950H etc, it's pretty amazing how viewed from the front and in most content the Sony's handle the blooming as well and at times better. This despite the QN90A has anything from 576-792 zones vs the Sony at only 32 zones. That is crazy.. Sony has become really good at handling the lights they use in the FALD and the algorithms. Even if the contrast ratio is only some 4000:1 vs QN90A reaching 26,000:1 the perception is equal for the most part. Because the tests done when measuring this allows the Samsung to turn down or off the zone making it much more black. But when things are not static and in motion. It has a lot more "work to do" in order to handle the zones and transitions. Their panels also bloom a lot from off angle. But with a few updates I am sure the QN90A will get even better... Personally I am debating on whether I go QN90A or X95J when it comes out.. Reviews will guide my decision.
@@loki76 I think both TV will be at significantly different price category. At QN90A price, can get great OLED. I'll take OLED any day if it was me, I stream from Netflix TH-cam mostly, so burn in should be no issue. My 2 cents
I've seen a video that is still has blooming and actually crushed more shadow detail than OLED. Good TV? Sure, but it's gonna be a little while before there's an OLED killer
I just got a replacement of this today as the one before had a green dead pixel in the middle of the screen that development after 16 days of using it (mostly for gaming) they said its a rare problem I'm hoping my replacement doesn't do the same thing as I love the tv 😂 PLEASE keep the box for at least 30 days if you decide to buy this or any other tv, it's a struggle to keep a massive box I live in a tiny room but it's worth it if something happens to the tv
you found anyone that has done one yet? this is exactly the 2 sets im looking at... or the C1 77"... but either way, the 85" having 567 dimming zones and a VA panel mixed with the Qled... could be a game changer at 85"
for some one that sells tv's found this amazing, i set this tv up the other day and knew some thing wasnt right straight off the bat with blooming, got a sub out of me!
With local dimming turned on the picture looked fantastic to me! I don’t no why you would watch any TV that has local dimming and not have it turned on. I’m glad that you point all the pro’s and con’s no matter how insignificant or significant they maybe, it makes for a very informative review…. Keep up the good work
Because gaming modes often switch off LD and backlight, and a slew of motion processing to improve the latency.
And, if you have 2 TV's with the same hardware and the same LD, both could choose to use it differently with their unique upscalers or firmware choices and software ie Sony using LG panels, et Al.
Testing with LD off, can tell you more about the Local Dimming's settings, strength and weakness in content, notably where it's going to be crushing black content when the LD has to make choices or allow for custom options.
For normal watching, it's useful to get a baseline so you can tell when it's off or slow to work. Especially on 21:9 or 2.35:1 borders with subtitles, the LD contrast vs non-LD contrast would make the subtitles a different level of brightness when the LD algorithm decides to turn off or on where subtitles appear and disappear quickly, leaving a flash or smudge/blur behind.
Backlight bleed and bloom can also be significant on wide angle so it's useful to test if the backlight/LD is insulated or the LD control is fast and efficient.
I recently saw the QN85A at BestBuy for the first time. Although it was limited what I could see I was amazed how good the TV looked. It was very bright with very dark areas and looked like a VA panel. I seriously thinking of buy the 75" but they were sold out. That's how good this TV looks. This TV looks better than it does on paper.
@@carlcat I just ordered a 65” from Walmart a week ago for 1400, tax and delivery included made it 1600, it deliverers Friday❗️ I say get it online dude it’s some cyber week deals going on too still✅
@@jgoldy5166 I saw this TV in another store. Off angle the TV does lose a lot of contrast in both bright and dark but straight on the TV looks as good, if not better than any flagship TV I've seen. Best of luck with your new TV.
I have a important question for anyone willing to respond. In your personal opinions. Would you Buy a new Samsung QN85A 55 inch for $779 or Buy a Sony X95J 65 inch new for $1479. With a promised $379 refund upon delevery so final $1100. I'm so flipping lost & confused on which one to jump on. The orders are secured for both. Just have to cancel 1. "HELP"!!!!😩
Glad we're we're starting to see the 2021 models.
We're excited too! 2021 TV season is here!
Samsung is so painful. They have disappointed me for the past few years. They have the tech to put together a winning set, but they chose to cheap out on core TV specs.
They sell more TVs than anyone... I don’t think they are losing sleep
@@mikehamm45 True, but for myself I'll be upgrading my set to a Sony then.
Some of the QN90A variants use IPS as well!
@@Aggrofool only the 50" model, all others are VA. My 55 is confirmed to be VA. Reference Rtings, Value Electronics, B the installer, Fomo, Whispering status 74, and HD TV' Vincent Teoh.
Yep!
Please do a review of the 85" with the VA panel! I would love to see how the blacks and contrast do on the VA panel with all the dimming zones...
VA + 576 dimming zones on the 85" would turn that "fake contrast" you mentioned in the video from the IPS panels, into actual bloody brilliant contrast...
Yup still nothing done with reviews for 85 inch va panel qn85a or b. A travesty since it could be a huge bargain. 1000 dollars cheaper if not more in Canada.
Thanks so much for this detailed review. I have been looking at getting the QN85A 75" or the 85" version; this review helped me make my decision: I chose the 75" version, since I do not want a VA panel, taking all pro/cons into consideration. The ADS panel on the 75" is definitely better once you look at both of them next to each other in real life. This TV (QN85A) is by far the most expensive one I ever purchased, I've bought good working cars for less.🤣 I currently have the Samsung 82QT with the VA panel, and the QN85 will definitely outperform it, albeit slightly smaller. Thanks again for your unbiased reviews, I appreciate it!
Thinking of buying this one, what’s your experience so far with it .. how much did you pay for it?
@@1981fuentes It’s a very sharp and extremely bright TV, 4K blue rays look excellent. Color accuracy is unbelievable. I got it on sale for $2,000 at Costco. Also the sound is much better since it has rear firing speakers on top of the front down firing pair.
@@victorsalazar8732 I just ordered mine. Should arrive in the next few weeks.
@@oscarhuerta8586 Cool, you gonna love it!
wow, thats definitely different than my decision.. the horrible contrast and black levels on the IPS panel are a no go for me. 85" with the VA panel is going to be the one I choose.... I mean, i guess if you have 30 people watching it from every angle of a very large room, IPS is going to be better for those people on the outskirts... but man, I don't know why anyone would choose horrible contrast and blacks over the VA for any other reason
nice review. often i find rtings reviews pretty generic but this one really teased out some peculiarities. i've just ordered one of these and got a great deal on it. really looking forward. suits me as i live in a pretty bright environment. the IPS trickery with the local dimming is an interesting approach, that's why i appreciate reviews that go into real world experience, because often ubiquitous tests don't really tell the full story. good digging
Had this set for a week now and I’m very happy with it. It does almost everything I could want it to do. the menu ads are a touch annoying but I’ve largely started to forget about them. and the Smart Things app is nice for doing certain things to avoid menu diving. the brightness is great and the colours are awesome, hdr is great too. I do notice a little dse but it’s not enough to warrant me sending it back and dealing with all that jazz. Ambient mode is fantastic. And something I didn’t see in any review is a cool feature called Music Wall, which is like a software based music visualiser. As soon as you Bluetooth your tunes to it, it starts up, and from there you can either go back to ambient mode or switch the display off entirely. Google assistant wouldn’t login for me, but for some reason doing the setup with the inbuilt browser solved it. wish samsung would organise the menu bar a bit better but I suspect it’s laid out the way it is to give those little ads facetime. Only other thing is I would say my game mode experience was mixed, took a while to find the right settings and I would say some games are better off without it. From what I can tell the Game mode does a better job with 4K rather than 1080 but ymmv. Cheers
We can't speak to other reviewers, but we bought our own set from Amazon. We don't accept review units and we buy all of the products we test!
Hello....Which is better ? Sony 90J full array led panel or tcl 825 mini led tv? Or this QN85A ?
It'd be really good if you guys would test out VRR at 4k120hz with each TV review to confirm whether or not there is VRR flickering.
Love the research that you did into the panel!
1300:1, just 1900:1 with LD and WTF is this uniformity ? ... NEEEEXT !!!
It’s an ips to it tests bad. They said real life scenarios look a lot better. I had the 85a and I was very happy with it. I wanted a brighter picture and I think the 85a is a good buy at around $1300-1500 though so I upgraded to the 90a.
The 50 inch QN90A is also IPS! What a con
@@Aggrofool in asia the qn90a 55 to 75inches are all ips panels.
Only the 85inch have the VA panel.
Read the written review, they said "'Dynamic', we measured a contrast of 9243:1, 9409:1 in 'PC' mode, and 20,019:1 with Game Mode enabled. It also looks better with actual content than it does with our test pattern because the local dimming works well in real scenes to hide the fact that it’s an ADS panel."
IT'S 2021 BUT STILL DIRTY GRAY SCREENS!!! OMG SAMSUNG, really????
You’re going to get DSE chance with any tv. They call it the panel lottery for a reason. Go take a peak in the A90J owners forum on panel issues, and that’s a $4000 65” variant OLED.
But on a very different Level.
What's the point of turning off local dimming? They put it there for a reason.
Qn90a got an update yesterday it has improved blooming even more.
1066? Any issues? Member on AVS said he is now having motion issues. 1054 helped fix LD.
@@TurboGuy979 yes, 1066 i haven't noticed any motion issues. Can you tell me more about it?
@@ZaramayPR apparently he thinks the issue was a program he was using, not the tv
i just got back from the store and the lg c1 was next to the qn85a and im sorry the samsung tv loooked way way better then the oled with bassicly no brightness
wow this is a really nice channel. I'm about to buy a new TV and this channel will really help.
I need an answer to what seems to be a dichotomy but shouldnt be. The set measures only decent contrast but excellent HDR. How can they both be true. Isnt HDR dependent on a great definition between things on screen? Isnt HDR also dependent on great contrast? Are we now understanding that great contrast isnt as important to HDR or do the sets measurements improve when HDR content is shown? The numbers dont seem to add up when the overall performance is looked at. Whats the story with this set?
I ordered a Q95T tv but they called and said that its out of stock now and they are "upgrading" me to the QN85A. Should I go for it? According to the RTINGS website the Q95T is better, I know, but it is still an "older" hardware. Please advise.
I think QN85A is a downgrade to the Q95T. I'm currently in the same situation now as you were. Checked with TV sellers in my country and they no longer have the Q95T and are offering the QN85A. I think the Q80T is better (according to RTINGS) except for the brightness.
Love this guy..hes got at his job
Samsung is nickel and dimeing their customers. All they really had to do was put a VA panel in this TV to make it a decent TV but noooooooooooooooooo. I think they blew it this year.
Samsung been blowing it for quite a while now
@@waymonfrench2077 Sony beating them on Full array LED TVs
hmm, why do you assume the ADS panel is cheaper? IPS type panels are usually more expensive than VA.
@@petehelme7714 no they are not.
@@ruben7937 actually they are - see the PC monitor space for example.
PWM frequency seems to change when game motion plus is selected or TV is at VRR mode. You should test and update this to written review.
Why would you measure black uniformity with local dimming disabled when one of the biggest features of this tv is the local dimming...it doesn't make sense.!!
Bruh 120hz 4k at 5ms imput lag... I'm getting this tv before my birthday next month hopefully! I played on it at my friends and his 30fps games on ps5 looked like 60fps games that's how smooth the screen played, absolute madness these Koreans are so talented at making these haha
Hey did you buy the tv ? If you did is it good?
Great Review - keep up the great work. 😋
On input, does it have a built-in chromecast or something of the sort?
It uses the Tizen Smart OS which has lots of apps (like Netflix, Prime Video, Disney+, etc.)!
So this makes alot more sense than people acknowledge. for maybe 3 years the q80 and q90 have been extremely close in picture performance. Now you have something with very different strengths and in the end it'll be a good tv. If folks dont like it they make a qn90a, qn800a, and qn900a.
Thank you all for your hard work and delivering thorough content! I’m trying to decide how my money is best spent. Is it quality or quantity (size)? My budget is about $3,500. I mostly watch movies at night in a fairly dark room and sports at all times of the day where the room will have a few windows. Our curtains work reasonably well, so the light isn’t terribly bad. The viewing angle isn’t too important to me but, my prominent seating position is about 12ft from the TV. What would you recommend? Quality of picture or size, obviously a balance of both but, here’s where I can’t make a decision. Do I go for the Sony A80j (77”) or save a couple of bucks for a bigger screen with the Samsung QN85A (85”)?
Thank you!
I also sit at 12 feet from my TV. Last year I bought a 65", going for quality over size, even though I kept hearing people saying to go for size. That was a mistake. I find myself in a chair halfway between my couch and the TV when gaming, and am selling that TV to a friend (who's room is much smaller) and am going to buy a 77" Sony OLED. I'd say for you to go for at least a 75".
I would go with lg c1 it’s better then Sony a80j for oled and if you want a bright tv then go Samsung qn90a if your going for big sizes. But that’s my advice. If you really want a Sony then yea go with sony a80j it’s better then qn85a that’s a tv I would personally avoid.
Just got a 75” of this. Excited to install. Thanks Rtings for helping me decide.
How do you like it?
@@cooldaddyslick6869 I love it. It’s definitely one of the best I have had. However, as I do a lot of dark room viewing, OLED would be my next upgrade after 5 years or so. It’s getting better and better.
@@chistisadaf I have a G1 and the picture is nice but don't think I'll buy another one. With lcd I don't have to sorry about burn-in and all things being equal the lcd will be cheaper. Plus lcds can look ALMOST as good as oled
So is the 85inch with the different panel a decent buy? Or should i get the 90a in the 75 for the same price? It's to be wall mounted in my media room, using as a monitor only as audio will be driven elsewhere. Seating position in 3.8m to screen.. Thoughts?
Hey Simon! So without testing the TV with the VA panel, we can't say exactly how it would stack up, however we would expect to see improvement in the contrast and black uniformity which are the two biggest differences between the two TVs we tested.
At that distance, using our size to distance calculator, we'd suggest the bigger TV, but this is more preference based and subjective.
Nice Review.
Please let me know if this Qled burn in same lile Oled??
Thanks
QLED TVs won't experience burn-in like an OLED.
Interesting how mini-led was purportedly going to level the playing field with OLED but in reality seems like it just doubles down on Samsung's existing bright-room dominance.
They made their own tv into a lemon with the ads ips crap.
Very nice review thank you. I've been looking at LG Sony and Samsung. Looking at numbers on a piece of paper or a review only means only so much to me.. Samsung is very bright and looks great in many different places. I like the windows open. Let there be light. I know it's not the perfect TV but I'm leaning towards this new Samsung. Thank you.
Once again Samsung has one step forward and two steps back with some dumb decisions. And their infuriating unwillingness to pay for Dolby Vision is just baffling.
100% agreed....just dumb🤦♂️
What I can't wrap my head around is they rated this pos at 8.2 overall. I'd say more like 6.5 just for brightness and gaming features, the viewing angles aren't no good if you got all that blooming off center. SMH
IPS/ADS panel = epic fail
@@LordAngelus I'm no a fan of ips panel but I have the QN85A and is a great tv better than Q90T
@@raydeltolosa9545 April fool's was yesterday m8
@rtings does the 85 inch have a VA panel?
Moral of the story for 2021 just like LG's 2019 OLED 9-series lineup which was their most feautre packed, SAMSUNG"s best was the Q80T/Q90T models ...
The Q90R from the year before was better than the Q90T and the QN90A this year is also better than the Q90T. The Q90T wasn’t a good model for Samsung.
@@katmarie7102 Yeah, 2018 and 2019 years were the best
it seems motion blurr is really bad on the QN90A, i have the Q8 from costo i’m guessing is the Q80T, but dirty screen effect is bad i can see it with any content so i’m taking it back
I love your website bros.
You are the best TV reviewer in the entire world
Thanks for all of your support! We're nothing without our users :)
R U serious?? Are you new to RTINGS or did you use them several years ago? If you knew them 3 or more years ago is very different to RTINGS today, it's actually been heartbreaking what has happen to them, they weren't only the best review site around but they were by FAR the best.
Hey. I watching football matchs and playing on xbox series x and ps5, this tv QN85A will be ok?
What is difference between QN85A and QN88A?? Is there any difference in specifications??
Without testing it, it's tough to say for sure. After doing some research though, it seems like the QN88A has a better speaker, but otherwise they should be similar overall. We also saw some reports that panel type could very, but we couldn't find much to confirm those claims. Sorry about that!
How can a TV have the following "CONS" (I quote from RTings site):
- Low native contrast that can result in noticeable blooming (1300:1), score: 6.7
- Backlight isn't flicker-free (PWM @120 Hz)
And (I add):
- DSE score of 7.2 (which you say is "decent")
- Black uniformity of 6.0 (which you say is "mediocre")
- Only 1 HDMI 2.1 port (yours vote for gaming is 8.4 LOL)
- Sound quality of 6.5 in "frequency response" (quote: the bass is pretty bad with almost no punch to it) and 5.8 in "distortion" (quote: the distortion on the Samsung is disappointing)
- Still no Dolby Vision.
And getting an overall score of 8.2? HOW?
Guess this will be my next TV monitor. Especially if there's a smaller panel.
OLED price for DEFINENTLY NOT OLED LIKE PERFORMANCE.......
No thanks
When are we getting the QN90A video review? :)
The 50 inch QN90A is IPS!
@@Aggrofool haha
We're working on it as we speak! :)
So should I buy the Qn85a or the q95t? Which is better?
Visit their website
Still no dolby Vision support? 😳
Any chance you will be getting an 85" to compare?
If the 85' uses a VA panel we need a review of that one
anyone done this?
Is there a difference between QN85A and QN85D? E/where I see QN85A, but Costco has QN85D. Might this just be a mistake on Costco's website thx
Well qn85d came out this year and your comment is 2 years old. So the real question is, are you a time traveler?
A is 2021 and B is 2022 C is 2023 and D is 2024
hello. Do you prefer Samsung NeoQled Qn85a? Or Lg nanocell 916Pa? Prices in Turkey are almost the same.
Unfortunately, we haven't tested the LG model you mention so we can't speak to how it compares unfortunately.
Good morning! When is the review of the a90j
Hello! The A90J early access results are available on our website for our Insiders. The written review should be ready later this week though!
Chroma 4:4:4 is also available at a resolution of 3840x2160@120Hz, or only at 60 Hz?
Really wish you guys would test TVs for PCM 5.1 support over eARC! But I know you are working on it for the future and anxiously look forward to that update to the test bench! And please, do so in a way that does not override the EDID! Many thanks and good work!
HI GUYS! THE 85" HAS VA PANELS?? LET ME KNOW FOR SURE PLS, THANKS
I'm in aus and want to know aswell
I saw a review yes it has va the IPS for smaller sizes.... confirm for yourself please.
Samsung VA display THE BEST-SELLING LIE, RTINGS Lying again look at this blooming & clouding QN90A VA panel display, ADS is accurate and better better than VA display and both have the same dark level th-cam.com/video/NUjIIVR-5og/w-d-xo.html
GUYS I BOUGHT THE 85 " QN85A IS 100% THE TV 📺 HAS VA PANELS, IS A GREAT TV, IM VERY HAPPY WHIT MY NEW SAMSUNG TOY JAJA
Great video.
I would love a video showing the settings with a Ps5
It's pretty amazing though how that extremely low contrast ratio even with local dimming is so different in perception.
The "Installer" guy did a comparison with the QN90A and head on the 85A looked just as black and punchy in colors etc. Yet in Rtings the QN90A has over 26,000:1 with local dimming which is highest ever I think for LED. Yet the 85A only ~1,900:1.. That is something close to 13x less contrast ratio.
The QN90A can even look to have more bloom in some situations. What gives?
I am desperate to see a review of the Sony X95J.. The X90J might look nice, but it's not very bright.
Do you know this from experience, or from what you have read on the internet? AVS members who OWN the Q90A are not having blooming issues. A FW upgrade improved the LD algorithm. Base software was exuding some blooming, specifically on the 55”.
It's because of the stupid (sorta) IPS panel sourced from BOE they used on this one. A confusing decision they made considering even many of their cheap Crystal UHD TV series also use VA panel which does help significantly in contrast against other competing cheap TVs in the same class. Why Samsung !?
Hopefully the Q90A and Q95A will fare way better than this and use better VA panel. If they still use VA in those sets, can expect the contrast will improve tremendously over this Q85A, resulting less to none blooming thanks to Mini LED.
@@TurboGuy979 I am not saying it's a fact I don't trust all reviews because it's in the eyes of the beholder and there are tricks to lower perception of blooming.. That said the QN90A is extremely overpriced in Canada. It's true what you say with 55".. I don't know why every single reviewer CONSTANTLY only review 55" in all TV's.. It's a big difference in zone count on a 90A between 55 and 65.
it seems the 85 has worst black crush but seems to be better tv to me then the qn90a LOL because of the brightness and contrast of the qn90a it clips whites and colors making them washed out, qn85 colors looked more rich, people bash isp panels yet they have better motion blurr at the cost of other futures
Well the 85" QN85A has a VA panel... just like the QN90A... so if they were comparing 85" that would explain it... I wish RTINGS would test an 85" so we could see what a good version of this TV looks like
When will the review be complete for q80a? Trying to decide to get that or q80t.
I have Q80T. Its way better since its VA therefore the contrast ratio is superior. It ia an amazing TV.
Great video !
Will be one review for the Q80A ?
Visit their website
Ready for the qn90a review.
It's coming! While you're waiting though, we've gotten the written review right here: www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn90a-qled
When will you be doing the new Sony tv reviews ?
That's what I wanna know
We're buying units as soon as they become available! The A90J is the first Sony TV we've been able to test this year. The early access results are live right now on our website!
@@RTINGSdotcom if you have to buy all the TV's you test, what do you do with all of them after testing them ? And I was looking forward to the Sony 4k lcd model x90j.
We keep them for a period of time, to do retests and things. Once' we're done with them, we sell them! You can read more about that here: www.rtings.com/company/products-for-sale
Seems like price got closer to OLED... That's good right? That's progress...
@@tomzuriel9480 then buy curtains... 🥴
@@tomzuriel9480 Never had an issue with mine is strong light, maybe you should check if you have a faulty screen?
@@tomzuriel9480 Just close the curtains when watching tv and open it when not>?? like that should solve your problem with air. Or maybe just buy blinds? it gets the air through but blocks most of the light
@@tomzuriel9480 Its not an issue, they are simply not as bright as some modern LED backlit TV's. What did you do before LED backlit TV's were around? You must of had a terrible life, what with having a TV screen slightly impeded by sunlight. My living room catches the sun during the day but my E6 has never had any major issues displaying a perfectly suitable picture, so maybe you do have a faulty screen? Certainly you seem to be implying its a major problem, which its not, so that would indicate you have a fault.
@@tomzuriel9480 Not an issue I've experienced and I'm pretty sure that OLED would not be the leading mainstream TV technology if it were such an issue. Did you seriously replace an OLED with an old LED TV? Haha.
Hey, @Rtings What would you recommend Between Neo Qn85a Or Q95t thx
Hey! We didn't review the Q95T as it was a European variant, but we did review the Q90T and expect them to perform similarly for the most part.
Overall, we give the edge to the Q90T though. The 55 inch QN85A uses an IPS panel, so it has a low native contrast ratio but has wider viewing angles. While local dimming helps improve the contrast in actual content, there's still some noticeable blooming and IPS glow, so it may not be the best choice if you watch a lot of movies in the dark.
The Q90T, on the other hand, is more consistent across different uses. It has a VA panel with a high contrast ratio and good black uniformity, and thanks to the 'Ultra Viewing Angle' layer, it has decent viewing angles. It also has a slightly faster response time than the QN85A. While it doesn't get as bright as the QN85A, its high contrast gives it a slight edge with HDR content.
thanks for the info.... Great content!!
In store I didn't see any difference between q90 that's why I bought q85.
Hope you enjoy it!
Which one is most value for watching football/soccer and netflix, no gaming? Bright room in the summer.
75" QN90b 2500€
75" QN85A 1800€
75" QN85B 2000€
Is it worth paying €700 more for the QN90B than the QN85A?
In this case, we'd actually encourage you to check out our comparison tool so that you can see how these TVs compare to each other and which one is better in the areas that are important to you. If it's still unclear or you have specific questions about the comparison, feel free to follow up! www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c2-oled-vs-lg-b2-oled/31229/31240?usage=1&threshold=0.10
love the website, but since I'm not a picture geek, I have a hard time interpreting all the data, the most important thing is that the picture is good when I watch sports. looking straight from the front in a bright room.
@@Walu3ok I've researched all of these models and in short you should get the QN85A, its much better than the QN90B and QN85B for a bright room
Great review
Can you guys do a review of Mi 75 inch QLED tv?
please.
Looking forward for the new Sony Led sets reviews, hope they've done a better job
Sony didn't do Mini LED this year so far
So this TV has ads in the menus? Seriously?
I was thinking of getting it. Now I'm not so sure.
Please give lower scores for Samsung entry level VA-models. My image degreades so much especially black scenes when watching in a wide couch 👎
Should I get this TV or a LG - 65" Class C1 Series OLED 4K ? Which one is overall better?
Overall, the LG C1 is the better TV. The Samsung can get much brighter though, and if you watch content with a lot of static images, the Samsung doesn't have a risk for burn-in.
You can compare them side-by-side here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-qn85a-qled-vs-lg-c1-oled/21552/21421?usage=11&threshold=0.10
Any update on the G-Sync issue with firmware ? I am shopping for a 4k work panel that supports G-Sync for PC gaming.
If we have any updates, they’re be posted in the full review on our website! Feel free to keep an eye on it! www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn85a-qled
Do you guys think the sony x95j 65inch is better than the q80A 65 inch??
Also does the sony x95j 65inch have VA PANEL??
@josh matt
I have had both (in 65') and easily prefer the X95J over the Qn85a. The Sony is run on an VA and the Samsung IPS. The Q was very bright and the colors we're all over the place, also the apps were a pain. The Sony is more of natural viewing experience, with plenty of light and true colors. The processor works great and the Google app setup was easy to use. The Samsung did get the win on the remote.
@@ercaelis2053 Would you take a New QN85A 55 inch for $779 or a New Sony X95J 65 inch for $1479 With a promised $379 refund upon delevery. I could really use some help on this one lol.
@@michaeldavis6550 If the price isn't the deciding decision, go with the Sony.
@@ercaelis2053 price is a factor for sure but if it's really worth the upgrade for the price difference then I'll make it work. Need to save as much as possiable but also don't plan on shopping for another TV for 10yrs. At leased I hope. Now they just offered me the 65 QN90A for the same discounted price as the Sony. Talk about making my decision even more difficult lol.
@@michaeldavis6550 There is a reason that the Samsung is dropping their price as much as they are and Sony isn't. I feel if it's a long term investment, invest in what you truly want. Samsung is a good TV, I just feel that me, personally, the Sony doesn't make me 2nd guess my choice.
Can y’all make a Samsung au9000 2021 tv review pls
So is the 85 inch model good then???
can you guys list how many dimming zones does a tv have when you review a tv?
Thank you.
the 85" version of this TV has 576 dimming zones... as for the other sizes... no idea..
i would hope that you looked at the blooming on more than one video because the type of file and the way its hooked up play into that effect quite often even on my oled sets.
Oleds don't have blooming. That's your eyes playing tricks on you. In a pitch black room on a pitch black screen play something white and bright. Cover the white and you'll see no blooming. Could also be astigmatism.
So is the tcl mini qled better ??
It seems that the QN90a 85 inch model isn’t available in Australia. Are you able to confirm this, RTINGS? Would appreciate if you could. I can’t get any info here in any of the Australian retailers. Thanks.
Probably under different name. It's quite common with TV from other brands too.
It's weird that Samsung tv's supports Dolby atmos but not Dolby vision.
Why the e arc port is hdmi 2.0?
It should be 2.1...
Does it affect quality of sound?
For eARC to work, you don't actually need the port to be HDMI 2.1 as eARC is possible with HDMI 2.0 bandwidth.
You mentioned the 85' uses a VA panel... so this doesn't apply to that model. Are you guys going to review that model?
Same question here....please update the review with the 85 inch model. Cheers
I actually can't wait for Sony XJ90 for PS5 + PC gaming. And ofcourse, waiting your review!
Hi, I'm trying to decide between getting a 65 inch Hisense H9G for $949.99 or a 65 inch Vizio Oled for $1499.99 (If it goes on sale again. It's $1799.99 right now.), both at Best Buy. Is the Vizio Oled worth the extra $550? I don't have a PS5 or Xbox Series X or S yet but plan to get them in about 2 or 3 years when they're cheaper. With the Hisense H9G I would have to buy another tv when I get the new consoles to use the systems at 4K 120hz since it doesn't have HDMI 2.1, so is it worth saving money buying the H9G now and buying a tv with HDMI 2.1 later? My main concern right now is picture quality in SDR, Dolby Vision, HDR10, HDR10+ (since both have it) and streaming. Also, do these tvs have tv or source led Dolby Vision? I'm not concerned about burn in on the Vizio Oled because I only occasionally play video games and watch content with static images. My room is dark to dimly lit with only mild sun light and no direct sunlight. Also, I would love to see an updated comparison video compairing the LG CX, Sony A8H, Hisense H9G, Vizio Oled, Sony X900H, and Sony X950H. Thank you in advance for reading my email and for any advice you give me.
Hi Steven!
So if you plan on getting a next gen console and you'll want a TV that supports HDMI 2.1, it might make more sense to purchase a TV that supports those features now, instead of buying a TV now and again in a few years. Ultimately though, that is up to you!
As far as the Vizo OLED vs the H9G goes here are the details! First, they both support Dolby Vision. The picture quality edge overall goes to the OLED TV though. If you're not concerned about the limited brightness of the Vizio OLED, it's the better TV for movies and gaming.
what samsung 85 inch tvs carry a "VA Panel" - im in the market right now for a 85" tv
Depending on your budget, the best option is the QN90A. The 85" Q80A also uses a VA panel if the QN90A is too expensive!
Great honest review
Thank you! :)
Just purchased my QN85A love it but I did go with the Sonos Arc
Glad you like it!
Hello! can i use this tv for playing on computer for games?
Yes! You will need to use an HDMI connection though as the TV doesn't have a DisplayPort.
Hey guys I'm considering getting this tv for pc gaming and productivity is this TV good for this?
We think the QN85A is an amazing TV for use as a PC monitor and it's also impressive when it comes to gaming! :)
Is there a risk of burning like oleds in these samsung neo qled televisions?
No, burn-in should only be a concern on OLED TVs.
Does the QN85A have the same frame/CE dimming "feature" that the Q70A has? It is very annoying.
What about the 85" VA panel?
Will you guys ever review Panasonic?
Corps that review Sammy's typically do not cover Panasonic. Not sure why that is but I guess Samsung must have some sort of clause in the deals they make.
@@bennywhite7062 Panasonic is not sold in North America any more. RTings are Canadian. That's why there are no Panasonic reviews.
The no.1 budget friendly this year has to be Sony X90J
X95jbetter
@@I-O-I- It's probably Winter 2021 and later
@@毛習西 philips mini led 2021 is better
@@I-O-I- Right? Not to mention that eARC support seems to still be a mess
LG Nanocell are crap only Samsung QLED and Sony Bravia Triluminos LED TVs are only good brands
Can't find anything on the qn85a in 85 inch VA panel? Always the smaller ips versions. Anyone got a link?
If the 85 uses va what's the diff between that and the 90
Does Samsung still have a problem with the dirty screen effect in the 2021 models?
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You can tell Samsung is having some changes. Their Display division used to make LCD panels. Clearly now Samsung Electronics is shopping for panels outside the company..
Samsung display is now doing QD-OLED and QNED. This is a transition phase for Samsung. But they sure loves to charge a premium. Imagine how cheap this 85A panel must be. Total budget yet they charge huge amount for the TV because of MiniLED.
Hmm kinda makes sense. Although yeah I feel kinda disgusted when it turns out to be sourced from BOE, considering how expensive this TV is, it's simply not acceptable alongside the blooming seems almost no difference to regular FALD TV, it's madness. Should have use VA panel instead, I don't need super bright TV, contrast is more important.
@@obidean3964 That's the really interesting part. The Sony LED TVs have very few dimming zones, no MiniLED but they still do exceptionally well in blooming and black level tests. Even tough tests with instruments show pretty low contrast ratio. Sony works some algorithm magic and they can appear deep black. I think it's ironically because they use less zones. They have more control and use the lights instead to help dim and not just zones.
It's only really in pitch black rooms or there is an "overlay" of a bright object a bloom appears. Which is barely 1% of the time using the TVs.
I am curious how the X90J and X95J will do this year.
@@loki76 We got X90H and the blooming is actually apparent especially when watching Netflix with subs from off angle or if the credit starts rolled in with all menu at the corners. Still I love the TV, Sony color out of box is excellent (Expert preset is the best), Dolby Vision content also looks great, Android TV is snappy. So, kinda expecting Samsung's Neo QLED got better handling of the issue since they make big deal during the last CES but turned out, no at least for the lower end models like this Q85A.
Weirdly I find their last year's Q80 is very good at handling blooming, better than X90H (probably thanks in part to contrasty VA/PLS panel it use) but the price is way more than our Sony, so we ended up with it and we're extremely happy with the Sony :)
Agree I'm also curious how this year X90 will fare, hopefully the blooming issue has been reduced. One thing I know that X95 has almost significantly better picture quality, brighter but sadly in my place, X90H was the Sony flagship for LCD before OLED lineup.
@@obidean3964 Yes off-angle is always going to be an issue with VA panels. And as you mentioned the blooming only really occur with "overlays". Such as subs or a menu popping in that is bright in contrast. But content that is a part of an image seldom bloom. If you know what I mean..
The Q80 I find though has more of an overall grey tone to the blacks.
There is something with the algorithms too.
Even though the QN90A can be really really black and have way higher contrast ratio than a 900H or 950H etc, it's pretty amazing how viewed from the front and in most content the Sony's handle the blooming as well and at times better. This despite the QN90A has anything from 576-792 zones vs the Sony at only 32 zones. That is crazy..
Sony has become really good at handling the lights they use in the FALD and the algorithms.
Even if the contrast ratio is only some 4000:1 vs QN90A reaching 26,000:1 the perception is equal for the most part. Because the tests done when measuring this allows the Samsung to turn down or off the zone making it much more black. But when things are not static and in motion. It has a lot more "work to do" in order to handle the zones and transitions.
Their panels also bloom a lot from off angle.
But with a few updates I am sure the QN90A will get even better...
Personally I am debating on whether I go QN90A or X95J when it comes out.. Reviews will guide my decision.
@@loki76 I think both TV will be at significantly different price category. At QN90A price, can get great OLED. I'll take OLED any day if it was me, I stream from Netflix TH-cam mostly, so burn in should be no issue. My 2 cents
Why does the stand on the QN90A looks like Apple Pro Stand as shown in 1:41.
This really is a more gamer focused tv, people who want an oled killer should stick to the q90na
I’m buying a qn90a for gaming and oled killer too
I've seen a video that is still has blooming and actually crushed more shadow detail than OLED. Good TV? Sure, but it's gonna be a little while before there's an OLED killer
So the number of backlights go up with the size. So the performance WILL NOT be the same with different sizes.
I just got a replacement of this today as the one before had a green dead pixel in the middle of the screen that development after 16 days of using it (mostly for gaming) they said its a rare problem I'm hoping my replacement doesn't do the same thing as I love the tv 😂 PLEASE keep the box for at least 30 days if you decide to buy this or any other tv, it's a struggle to keep a massive box I live in a tiny room but it's worth it if something happens to the tv
how does Game Mode work? any problems?
Anyone seen the 85” VA panel in action? Tossing up between that, the 85” Sony x900H, or going the safe but smaller route of LG CX10 77”
you found anyone that has done one yet? this is exactly the 2 sets im looking at... or the C1 77"... but either way, the 85" having 567 dimming zones and a VA panel mixed with the Qled... could be a game changer at 85"