2022 Subaru BRZ - Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 // POV First Impressions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ย. 2022
- 215/45R17 Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 Tires
-4.3 differential from a 2017-2020 BRZ/86
-DBA 4000 Front Rotors & Porterfield R4S Pads
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Natural engine sounds so much better here than the fake amplification through speakers.
Agreed 100% Death to all fake engine sounds!
does gr86 or any of them have that?
I'll take a nice sounding car that's not super loud over an annoyingly loud synthesized engine all day. I'm not sure who the fake sound is supposed to appeal to, really. If it's for track days when your helmet is muffling the exhaust maybe they should just have a switch for it somewhere.
@@jonywalabi2647GR86 and the new BRZ both have it stock...
I have these on my GLI. They are absolutely incredible in wet weather. The grip and traction in any sort of rain is better than any tire I ever experienced.
I had the PS3 AS on my S2000 and wasn't a fan. I had no faith in turns. I replaced them with Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 2s and loved them. They lasted me about 30k miles.
I just did the same switch on my BRZ. Similar comments: quieter on asphalt (not much on concrete), smaller bumps are absorbed more, sticks like glue in wet, you can get mid corner rotation to rip you out of corners, it’s also a progressive tire when slipping. It’s a solid tire for day2day and autocross. And comes with 50k mile warranty!
I'm running a set of PSAS4s on my Miata RF as my year round street tires. Very happy with them so far. All seaons have come a long way. Playful and consistent street grip. It's strong enough to lean on but not so aggressive that you can't have fun on it.
This is hands down best UHP all season tire on the market. I have the Conti DWS06+ simply bc they were less expensive and I didn’t need the 5% better steering feel and dry grip that the AS4 gives, and in the wet they’re utterly fantastic anyway. Cheers to your purchase. If I buy this car I will be making the same upgrade.
I put a set of pilot sport all season on my outback wilderness and it completely changed the feel of the wagon!
Just picked up my 23 brz yesterday. Such a fantastic car!
Cannot wait for winter tire reviews on this platform! Especially in the snow you guys get in Michigan.
I know, I hate the track gauge cluster. I don't even look at it anymore, just shift based on what I hear and if the yellow light comes on lol
@@TheTopher Responded to the wrong comment :)
I had the older version of this tire on my Acura TSX wagon and the wet performance is really really good! Definitely gonna keep using it for my next set
I just put some 245/40R18's on my new WRX (after nearly spinning it leaving work the first day when the temp dropped to 37) and I think they actually have better road feel in the dry/warmth than the summer Dunlops they come with. They seem pretty grippy in the dry/wet while being a little more predictable when hooning it. I actually can't wait for the first PA snowfall this year. They're already proving their worth with all of the "high of 70F, low of 30F" days we have here.
As great as the new Rex is, these POVs are giving me massive BRZ envy.
I have these in 225/40 on my Veloster N and I've been liking them a lot more than stock tires. The traction in rain is great, and they deal well with light snow as well. They also did pretty well in autocross. Overall really great tires
Nice tire review! Appreciate seeing the 1st gear pull, seems very short now. Car is looking good
I have these on my civic for about a year. So far so good, though I've yet to try in any snow, but snowfall has been scarce these past few years. These do well in the rain, in my experience.
I love these tires. Have them in my TSX / Euro Accord. Haven’t been able to break them loose yet and they work so well in rainy weather. 215/50/ZR17’s
I'm running Michelin X Snow tires on my GR86 and I can't believe how much quieter they are compared to the PS4 tires. Did my first winter drive on them today too and they were super confidence inspiring.
Somehow I enjoy this car even more in winter.
My first winter in brz and with about a 8” dump earlier this week I was surprised how well it does. As long as there is enough ground clearance this thing seems it will do amazing in winter.
it could be the snow dampening the sound maybe
Winter tires are definitely quieter! I drove this off the dealer lot on Blizzaks and was surprised how loud the Primacys were haha. The tradeoff is worth it with some performance tires, but not with the PS4s imo - they're deafening in the GR86/BRZ!
@@TheTopher winter tires seem to be more quiet on overpasses or concrete hwy where the extra rubber is dampening the noise. Feels better on bumps also!
This review just confirmed my order for the same tires (primarily because I need all seasons soon and dws06+ isn’t available until January) but this was a top two pick regardless haha
yes, more brz content
Great idea to do this swap out and test! I find it interesting that these have slightly less grip than the "Prius tires" that everyone constantly carps about. From what I've seen of the OEM 18" wheels with regular PS 4's, those make more noise than the 17" Primacy. I'm a long ways from replacing my 17" Primacy's on my BRZ, but this looks like a good option for where I live. If you trust and follow the advice, the summer tires should not be used in the cold (regardless of snow or ice), so I find myself needing to swap on my winter whieels and Blizzaks just for that. And we have plenty of days where in the morning, it is too cold for summer tires, but by afternoon, getting a little warm for winter tires (more wear). This looks like a way to solve that issue and still have a tire that doesn't significantly degrade the fun factor.
That on ramp turn in was so tight lol
...it's not meant to be taken at 40mph...more like 20-25, so the tightness is appropriate
@@K03sport Tight as in cool/awesome.
Oversteer
Same tires I have on my Mazda 6. I absolutely love them. Prior to the Michelins, I had BF Goodrich Comp 2 A/S on it. Those were good also, but I hated the rugged look of the sidewall. Tire wear has also proven better in the Michelin so far. They are very solid in the wet, but I have not had them in the snow/ice yet. Enjoy them.
I have these on my 17 BRZ. I drove it in snow, no problem
Damn, that little thing sounds good!
Primacy are the same tires that came on my Camry. Finally getting a set of these Pilot Sport 4A's installed today
Hey Chris, are you thinking of putting an exhaust or tuning it like your 2014 BRZ? I can't stop watching those older videos along with the new ones because you have truly inspired me to buy one in the next few months. My favorite and THE best car channel on TH-cam :)
Oh man, thanks - glad you’re enjoying the videos! I’ve been thinking about a tune, we’ll see what comes out in the next few months 👍👍
I just put a set of these on my mk7 GTi (2 door!) and so far they've been fantastic tires. I typically don't really go the all-season route but my last few cars have only had a single set of wheels soooo lol.
Owned the DWS06+ before and liked them even more because of their road manners. I'll add another set of wheels next year to the GTi and get some Conti Extremes again which I loved on my Miata.
I've only put about 200 miles on these so far so I'm looking forward to how the grip and performance improves after a few more miles. 👌
Love these tires on my WRX!
No need for winter tires in Northern VA
I actually just got brand new Bridgestone potenza RE980 all seasons on my Mazda RX8. Definitely an improvement in basically measurement over my dry-rotted firestone tires lol.
I was actually looking at this tire to replace my Primacy setup on my 2018 BRZ. I was between the All-Season or the Summer set. Living in Boston maybe the All-season are reasonable choice, good to know I don't miss.much on performance.
Just put these on my 2022 Hyundai Elantra N! Much softer ride, with almost the same grip. Very impressive
I got these on my Veloster turbo in May, huge difference over the stock tires. Really improves the turn in on a FWD car. Still yet to see winter performance in Ohio but rain is easy
NEO here, I ran them on my mk7.5 GTI and really enjoyed them in colder weather. Still felt like I had good grip, never felt sketchy or out of control. Not great in 4+ inches of snow buildup, but I was super impressed.
I just got a 22 WRX, and it came with summer tires.. being around 40 and below here in Cincinnati, I'm a little worried with the weather coming in next week lol. So I'm throwing these pilot sports on tomorrow. We'll see how they do!
PS4AS are my current favorite all around tire.
I’m really excited to see you drive this in the snow. I’m really looking into getting one and am curious to how it’ll do.
Can't wait! It should be pretty capable with this year's winter setup.
I’m in Canada and we have had 2 large snow events already. Key is good snow tires. Get the top tier (not cheap knockoffs) and it does great. Actually a lot more balanced than most fwd cars in winter.
Was really interested to hear your opinion on the dry grip. I've had these on the ND two years and wondered if it was enough after traveling to the hills one recent weekend. And they were a little slippery with autocross but still did well.
Even though I know I should get a winter tire because of how terrible the Michigan winters get, I’m thinking of getting these same tires for my WRX real soon
I live in the same climate as michigan(souther ontario), never owned a set of winters in my life. Just get good all seasons and brake earlier.
I went with the Conti DWS 06 Plus for my Type R - They’re another great option for a sporty all season. A little softer than the Pilot’s but a little better in snow. 👍
I’ve used these on all my cars for the last decade. Definitely a great all season choice.
Have had these Michelins and the DWS06+... I prefer the Continentals. Softer and quieter and the extra softness can be at least partially dialed out with an extra pound or two of air pressure.
@@ak2112 Are the Conti DWS 06 good for performance as well? I understand they aren’t summer tires, but how do they perform on more spirited driving?
Sadly my dws06 (235/45/17) have had vibrations/shimmies since day 1 after multiple visits and two "free" replacements...I'll pass on them next time...but even after 42k miles, I can still see the "S". 😔 Not an $800-900 mistake I'm willing to make 2x in a row
@@luisjalvareztorres8481 The Michelins definitely feel more "sporty" (stiffer, lighter/quicker turn in) but when it comes to all out grip, they're neck and neck. Limits are similar and they both break lateral grip predictably. It really is a matter of do you want more comfort (Conti) or quicker feel (Michelin).
I know you loving that car
If I lived in a warm weather state this is the tire I would get. CrossClimate 2 for Chicago.
Great video as always Chris
Which one do you think is more comfortable pilot all season 4, dws 06 or the new potenza ?
Love your videos Topher! I recently got a 23 brz myself and was wondering what you thought of the mtec clutch spring? Is it a good idea to switch?
Man oh man you’re like me, you love that sideways movement. Lol
Running these on my GT350 for normal driving. They don't ruin the car, which is saying something.
I wonder if the Primacy was less progressive with its break-away compared to the Pilot Sport AS4 due to it being a more eco-focused tire? Maybe the new ones are a little softer.
Great vid! Im currently on Conti DWS06+ on my GR86. Much better than Primacys. Also have done 2 HPDE events on the Conti's on cooler days (40f-50f) range/wet and they performed great and predictable. Im hoping for decent snow this season to test snow performance. I am eyeing these Michelins AS4 when the Conti's are done. Have you had any experience with DWS06+? Is it worth the switch?
Had these on a Focus ST. A+ in the wet and near-summer tire grip levels in the dry. Nice light, natural steering feel. They're dogshit in snow which was contrary to reviews I read. EDIT- the tread squirm definitely gets better after a few hundred miles. They're VERY squirmy when new (almost alarmingly so).
in terms of snow performance, what is the other all season are you comparing them to?
I tested the Dunlop sport all season for around 10K km they are good on dry and wet roads tbh never tryied on snow.
You can feel its not as effective as Dunlop sportmaxx lineup ofc but its good if you dont want to bother having 2 sets of wheels
I've beaten the chunks off my 17" AS 3+... can' t help it, I don't use the freeway but once a week. Problem is mid 30s and raining all the time, not appropriate for the summer version I can only use from late may or early June. Need 50f min.
This video makes me miss by BRZ. Had to store the car for winter and it's been snowing like crazy in Calgary.
Drove mine through the snow all week (Calgary) and it’s shockingly good. It actually does better than a lot of other cars on the road that don’t bother with winter tires.
@@gs98999 That's good news! I think I get most bothered by the salt.
@@lianabella5078 I won’t keep it long enough for that to become an issue, so all good on that front.
Interesting note: the Primacy is actually categorized as a summer tire, not an all-season. It’s just not an “extreme” performance summer tire. Funny that the best UHP all season is superior in every way to an an above average summer tire.
The Primacy targeted market is sedans / luxury vehicles and is no way giving performance close to the Pilot Sport family. Some Primacy tires are based on older Michelin tires so they are not quite up to par with the latest performance tire generation either.
My GR86 Premium (215/40 R18 tires) is due next month, and I'm shopping winter tires now. I've seen many 225/40 R18 tires, but no 215/40 R18... Do you think it's fine to run 225 winter tires on stock wheels? Thank you.
Edit: Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 has a 215/55 R18. Do you think it can fit?
Do these feel any stiffer than the last gen? I’m on the fence for DWS06+ again but the AS3 was too soft for me. Grip was unsurpassed though.
Great video! I love your content❤Just curious, since you’ve changed the final drive, how much top speed does it sacrifice? And do you have to redo the speedometer and rev meter to match up the new final drive? Thank you!
Since the BRZ is power limited not gear limited at top speed, it should help a bit. 6th is pretty tall and this would put it at higher revs for more power in top gear.
Speed is read from the wheel speed sensors so no change in speedo with the new diff. Thanks for watching!
@@TheTopher Thank you for explaining that up! That helps a lot! I’m looking forward to setting up a hks gt2 supercharger kit in the future and mainly just gonna focus on tracking, any advice or tips on that? Thank you!
I just changed the primacys for Crossclimate 2s. I don't lose grip as violently as I did with the primacys but these are not performance tires for sure. Increased width to 225 but I still lose grip on dry and cold roads. Just waiting for it to snow or rain heavily to see how they do cause the primacys could not handle very wet conditions at all.
...rotation will be front to back since it is a directional tire...only slight drawback.
Just curious why you turn the traction control off? I always leave mine on.
Which of the Michelin performance tyres have the longest tread wear rating?
Just curious topher, do you simrace?
Good enough for Formula-E, good enough for my daily commute. Sure Formula-E uses the 4S, but same family...
What made you choose these over the Continental DWS06+?
I've had DWS06s in the past and liked them, but wanted to try something different with a stiffer sidewall.
Just put these on last weekend. 225/45 on 17x8 RPF1s.
What offset did you go with for the RPF1
@@rhodycars6058 45. It was the only offset available for the gunmetal RPF1s. Better fitment than stock, but another 5 wouldn’t have hurt.
@@metalmystic6214 nice and easy to fit with out any issues or spacers tho!
I went with 17" CrossClimate2 for my "winter" tire, wasn't sure how I felt going all the way down to 16s coming from the 18" PS4 setup. Road noise is about the same and the traction blows me away, I cannot for the life of me get the rear end to slide like I could with the PS4 😂 (assists still on for now bc i'm new to rwd lol)
You are unique in using 16” tires both for track and winter. How do you like the 16” fitment for track?
Love the 16" RE71RS for street and on first impressions they were fun on track - I'm doing another track day on them Sunday, so will report back after that!
@@TheTopher If you have impressions of the 16" tires/wheels for track day, that would be really interesting to hear. That is a significant unsprung mass reduction.
Do you still have your blizzaks WS90 that you tested out last winter?
Yep! Will be testing them out some more this season too
Reference a 2021Charger Scat Pack with OEM Goodyear Eagle Rs-A2 tires. In your opinion, ride comfort only, which tire rides better, Continental Extreme Contact DWS06 Plus OR Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tire? Ride over typical Michigan roads of frost heaves, expansion joints, pot holes, broken pavement which has the best ride? Thankx
I run PS A/S 4's on my 2022 Camaro SS year round. They've worked fantastic. About to be down to the wear bars after 6k miles, though!
How have you burned through these tires already????
@@22chachalaca honestly not sure. I get on it pretty frequent but I never do dead stop tire spinning launches ever
@@mattymatte6289 do u track your car frequently? Because man, 6000 miles is extremely premature. The warrant is like 50000, so you'll pretty much get a free set of tires lol
@@22chachalaca the warranty on tires is essentially impossible to redeem. The terms and conditions are long and nearly impossible to abide by. Never tracked the car, yet. 🤷
@@mattymatte6289 that's the craziest thing I've ever heard of. 6000 miles!!! Man I've gone like 60,000 miles on tires before lol!
The Pilot Sport A/S 3+ is the most summer-tire-like all season I've experienced in autox by such a large margin. The A/S 4 is the same but with noticeably more grip. RE980AS and DWS06 are vague (overly squishy tread) and overheat/tear up quickly by comparison. The RE980AS has a much harsher ride with overly stiff sidewalls, too. The PS A/S has fantastic, consistent grip during the summer months (until overheated) and in the PNW cold+rain. Slides wonderfully and predictably compared to HP summer tires. SO much fun. I haven't tested it in snow.
I have supercharged my FR-S to complement the increased grip compared to the stock Primacy HP, maintaining the car's stock propensity to slide every corner
Have you tested in the winter?
Random question. Whats the coldest temperature you would run summer tires at? There’s only a few days of the year here in Texas that get below freezing, so i was thinking of summer tires. Does it get too sketchy around the freezing point?
Summer only tires, 40*F. Below 40 it's best for an all season. Single digits a day below, winters.
Depends on the compound, some ultra high performance summer/track tires will crack if you drive on them at freezing temps, others will just get hard and have less grip.
louder than the OEM tires?
3:35 oh deer…
I know he mentioned the size of the stock primacys but did he give us the size on those michelins he put on?
Same size as oem, 215/45r17
@@TheTopher 👍 thanks for the reply
I cant get over the tach. It's already in circle housing just make it a normal circle gauge.
Very annoying they've tied this into the traction control. When will manufacturers learn.
Just a warning: these tires get really loud as they wear! I am now on Conti DWS 06 Plus and I like them better.
Are the Conti DWS 06 good for performance as well? I know they aren’t summer tires, but how do they handle on more spirited driving?
No more RPF1’s!
Anybody else notice the dead deer?
BRZ is kinda like a real porsche.
That's a big "kinda"
3:35 what is that thing on the right side?
Looks like a deer
its a tire noise. Michelin pilot sports all season 4 is noisy while driving it. I rather like A/S 3
btw how is ur rtv going?
I’m having a hard time deciding what tires to get. I have a turbo frs and my 245 rs4 tires are almost bald. These tires always spun a little more than I would like when boost kicked in so I’m looking to go 255. What would be the best summer tire that would last ~15k miles of daily commuting while still offering maximum grip. My budget is ~$280 a tire!!
I’ve enjoyed Michelin Pilot SuperSports on my ND Miata. Lots of grip but can still lose it in a predictable, progressive way if you want. The inner 4/5 of the tire is designed for the wet, the outside 1/5 for dry, making it great for a daily driver.
Tire compound is much more important than section width for overall grip; going from 245 to 255 won’t be a massive difference.
RS4 are already a great compromise tire for a 200TW. I think you are going to have to accept that either the grip or the tire lifespan will be less than you are looking for and choose accordingly.
Did he say it’s quieter than a ps4 😂
You should tune this car up to 400 bhp. It will be a nice balance
I am not sure how the Michelin Primacy would have more mechanical grip than the Pilot Sport series. Sorry but it makes no sense to me and it does not align to my own experience by a long shot.
Primacy is a summer tire and Pilot Sport all season 4 is…an all season. That’s why!
looks like the new supra :/
After testing a s2000 with good tires the brz and 86 was just feeling like crap . I rather would spend my money on an old s2000 than this. Its also probably more reliable. If i buy a sportscar then for the experience