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Firefly + One For All is a match made in heaven. My one problem with OFA has always been having to consciously shoot three different enemies. I know it's very simple and easy to do but it's something I am literally always thinking about every single time I'm in a fight and it's just annoying to me. Firefly is the opposite, literally shoot enemies the way you always do and get rewarded. Together, you basically get the benefits of OFA with the braindead ease-of-use of Firefly, since Firefly's explosions proc OFA
I agree with this. Shooting multiple enemies isn't hard to do at all, but when you're actively thinking about the perk to get that damage bonus, it makes everything feel weird
I've never used One for All because I never wanted to do the OCD counting game when I fight. BUT, explosive payload + one for all is STUPID. If you shoot into any group of adds once, explosive immediately hits 3 targets and gives you one for all. You always have OFA up and running as long as you're shooting into any group. Pair that with minor spec + kinetic surge mod and any other buff... Holy crap. It hits like a 140 RPM machine gun.
Dont forget all BRAVE weapons will be able to be enhanced when final shape comes around Edit: would you all chill the fuck out. It's all shiny and non shiny versions of the brave weapons. Bungie told us that we could enhance all four traits from the shiny ones when the final shape comes around so chill out please. This also goes for Slammer Wild style summoner and the Prophet, tusk of the boar and multimach CCX and all recently added prophecy weapons.
@user-pq8on8bx9gJudgement is a PvE hand cannon, Eyasluna is a PvE/PvP hand cannon, Fatebringer is a PvE/PvP hand cannon, Warden’s Law is a PvE hand cannon, Igneous is a PvE/PvP hand cannon, Word of Crota is a PvE hand cannon, there are definitely quite a few PvE hand cannons.
Explosive payload currently hurts your damage falloff, even after the changes. (you can still 3 tap, just not as far) Bungie didn't change anything with explosive payload directly, they just buffed the base handcannon damage. You do 78 damage with the perk on, and 81 without the perk. I could literally take my fatebringer, barely miss the 3 tap with explosive payload, but then swap the perk to something else and get the 3 tap slightly out of optimal range. Would recommend looking into this, this will hurt damage perks that help make your gun more forgiving. The optimal range reduction is very slight, only about half a meter but it still matters. No one has been talking about this. Until bungie adjusts this, I'm probably staying away from the perk.
Yup. It's especially bad on 120s like Bottom Dollar, True Prophecy, Targeted Redaction etc since they didn't do anything about the perk and only buffed 140s. The perk basically just makes guns worse now.
@@scrotumscratcher2474 for pve yeah its fine. Also for pvp I'd 100% go for zen moment. Opening shot's range increase is nice but you're losing out on the extra aim assist. Zen moment helps offset the lower stability by reducing flinch. Stacks up faster on handcannons too. Moving target is great tho.
@@Narfwak Yeah. Imo it doesn't need to extend falloff since it already provides extra flinch to enemies, but hurting the range and resilience checks feels terrible.
Good to see a weapon from the leviathan raid get some love, i didn't use midnight coup I prefered ghost primus at the time now I'm definitely gonna start using it.
Explosive Payload + frenzy is an insane roll for endgame pve. You have an almost permanent 30% dmg buff, max handling and reload, and tons of extra range for free, no kills required
@dfillio8993 not at all, midnight coup has better stats, has one of the best origin traits in the game (fatebringer has none), can be enhanced, and is way easier to farm. This gun made fatebringer worthless, not the other way around
@@dfillio8993 I would say timelost fatebringer is the guaranteed good roll. While midnight coup if you grind and get lucky with the roll is better due to origin trait.
@@TDKR21104 easier to farm? Na not even close I take it you’ve never done master Templar it litterally takes less than 2 min per run and you’re guaranteed the timelost fatebringer onslaught 10 waves of legend take 10 minutes at a minimum and you’re not even guaranteed the midnight coup even with atunements I’ve had multiple 50 wave runs where I only get 2 weapons im atuned to
I never raided back before Beyond Light but I've grown to love this beauty of a hand cannon, Explosive Payload and Rampage makes it's firing sound seem accurate to how it hits
He mostly means in synergy. Players thought EP would add double hit towards KT procs which is not the case. That said? EP + KT gives a ton of damage and imo is probably the best for high tier content where you have tougher enemies. For low tier red bars? EP helps kill quicker which is almost sort of counter intuitive to KT which needs enemies alive long enough to get hit by 6 shots. I would definitely hold onto it regardless.
Other creators: the roll you don't want is firefly + kinetic tremors. Fallout and myself: The roll you want is firefly and kinetic tremors. Seriously, why are content creators telling people to avoid that roll? Its amazing. Maybe they just want to keep it to themselves.
It's SO good, it feels like an exotic perk that slipped through the cracks and makes you able to tackle groups with a HC from ranges you have no business shooting from even in GM's. Thank God one youtuber gets it. Also only gonna get better once it's enhancable.
because its bad. its fine that u want it for fun but realistically they are the worst combo. firefly requires a headshot but kinetic tremours does not do precision damage and may kill off the ad before u could get the precision shot
@@acardenasjr1340 you quite literally described the disadvantage. they only work separately and not together. explosive payload and kinetic tremours work at the same time, that's why it is sought after
In the middle of my quest to unlock the Midnight coup attunement...and had a kinetic tremor/firefly drop and I'm like "okay, I'm done!" it feels so good
EP and KT are really good combo. i usually play GM, so it's the best kinetic hand cannon so far. Also, FF and Rampage for usual PVE contents. Both are really easy to proc
I got a Fire Fly + Kinetic Tremors Coup and dismantled it when I got those perks on Hung Jury. The faster RPMs on HG allows more frequent KC procs on big targets. And the snappy reload with FF allows you to double down on mag size
I have Explosive Payload/One for All and yes it wrecks everything in PVE. I took it into 50 wave Onslaught and it kicks so much ass, just point, shoot, explode, profit. I will try this in a GM next chance I get since we have Unstoppable HC in the artifact this season.
@Kait07_ I do. I run a Zen, eye of the storm, austringer, I also run a moving target, Eye, Judgment on smaller maps. I'm hunting a max range, moving target zen coup though for cope
I think I’ll main the Coup because I really want a Hand Cannon that’s top tier in Pve and PvP. Thanks to Limited edition double perks I can get that on one gun. I’m also planning on getting a Luna’s Howl with heal clip/incandescent and a pvp roll
I love my Firefly+Frenzy roll sooooo much. Oh how I've missed that thing from back in the days. Was my favorite hand cannon in year 1 PvE and it might become my favorite again. Considering all the competition it has now that's a strong thing to say. Another point to mention is that with a Firefly+Frenzy roll you can fully spec into range and stability to your liking (and luck ofc) because either one of the perks bumps reload to 100 and Frenzy ofc bumps handling to 100.
last night i got a shiny midnight coup with smallbore, accurized rounds, and range masterwork. the perks were swapping between either zen moment + moving target for pvp or firefly + kinetic tremors for pve. needless to say i will never be taking it off. i recognize that i may be the envy of many players right now
Blew my RNG load on a Coup with Smallbore, acc rounds, explosive/enlightened, Zen moment shiny. Havent taken it for a spin in PvP yet, but cant wait to do so.
@@woodybeastin no it isn't lol. explosive payload + zen moment is the pvp godroll. smallbore and acc rounds are also the best perks in slot. you have no idea what you are talking about. if he has a range MW it would be a 5/5 pvp godroll
Got mine golden with Firefly/Shoot to loot and Tremors. Just what I wanted. Easily the best legendary kinetic PvE HC and probably the best legendary kinetic weapon in general.
I'd also throw in Explosive Payload plus Desperate Measures. It's a 30% but you can keep it up as long as you get kills and you can get the x3 off of a single grenade or melee rapid kill. For anyone who doesn't really like that one for all timer.
Petition for the next "YOU HAVE TO GRIND FOR THIS WEAPON" video Fallout makes, for it to say "You will 74% regret not farming this." Or another random percentage.
I was actually really intrigued on the attrition orbs roll with tremors and damn that thing gets your super back so fast on star eaters. Goodbye bad juju!
Not a handcannon harold, but got the firefly and KT roll, and, to quote todd howard, "it just works". Which is to say if you want a HC to put out for you when the chips are down this is the play.
I just got a Firefly + Kinetic Tremors this morning. I don't like hand cannons (aside from Sunshot), but this has made me open my mind about using weapon archetypes I don't like using... like sniper rifles. I also got a Succession with Recon + Box Breathing & somehow I like using snipers. It's not the best roll, but shit - I'm never gonna have the chance to craft Whisper because I'm not good and I don't really have the time to get good (all I can muster is "meh," which, to me, is better than "bad").
I've been grinding it. All night tonight. Three full 50 wave runs, two of them legend. I've gotten so.. many.. rolls, but none of the ones I want. Pain.
Already got a spare rations with kinetic tremors so I will probably pass. I been using Multimac with kinetic tremors and atrition orbs anyway which makes TONS of orbs!
also for Pve DO NOT SLEEP ON DESPRETE MEASURES, its going to go insane when prismatic drops and already is going nuts if you run a void devour build seeing you just throw out a nade and you pretty much have max stacks that is 30% and its able to be refreshed. don't sleep on it.
Problem with Desperate Measures is it's 30%, which sounds like a lot (that's Bait and Switch!) until you realize exotic primaries get 40% extra damage to red bars just for existing, which is the enemy you'd most care about shooting a primary at in the first place.
@@life-destiny1196 i didn't even know that was a thing, thank you for the info. however, you still can make use of a good legendary primary like that if you want an exotic in another slot.
The issue with this is you have to jump through hoops to get a 7 second 30% damage buff. One for all in the same slot just needs there to be 3 enemies to get a 10 second 35% damage buff. I don't see why you wouldn't just want one for all.
@Shawstins not saying it's worth the tradeoff, but desperate measures is refreshable, one for all isn't, so once you get it going, you can basically keep it up 24/7 vs one for all will fall off and you have to refresh it
I got Enlightened Action + Kinetic Tremors and it’s so nice, as long as I hit shots I get a reload speed buff and kinetic tremors is amazing in harder content
Dedperate Measures with a grenade = 3 stacks. Melee = 2, weapon kill = 1. After testing the damage compared to Master of arms, its 10% per stack for 6 seconds. But it can be enhanced in Final Shape.
I very rarely do PvP and even then I'm not inclined towards HCs, and in PvE it's only when there's a champ mod active, but I'm really enjoying this thing.
Absolutely tweaking. Kinetic HCs are as powerful as exotics with the right perks and it’s opens up energy and heavy to be your exotic. Learn the game smfh
I got one with Firefly/One For All, and it has actually made me decide to retire my Timelost Fatebringer I got during Season of The Lost with 24,000 kills. This thing hits harder than dad after he has his “feel good juice”
The only reason to use Midnight Coup for pvp is EP + Zen. Rose out ranges Coup with Slideshot + EP or Slideshot + OS and Austringer can get EotS + Zen (EotS > Moving Target, imo)
Desperate measures x3 can be shared with other brave weapon with desperate measures in other slots. So your midnightCoup has desperate measures x3 you swap to your hammerhead with desperate measures perk well it also buff at x3
Lol yes, you are the only one. Firefly gives you the same reload speed bonus of Enlightened Action at 5 stacks but also triggering a Dragonfly explosion on precision kill AND you could do it on 1 bullet if the target is weak or low enough. Mathematically, you’re nerfing yourself choosing EA over Firefly. High RPM weapons like autos is a different choice however most of the time there are better options. If your aim is not that good and you struggle with headshots, then maybe EA is better for you.
It's pretty good, but consider Firefly also gives you that much reload speed for getting a precision kill and helps you wave clear as well. More of a PVP perk IMO, great on something like an SMG or auto where you can stack it a few times on someone shotgun rushing you and then take advantage of the handling to pull your own shotgun and clean up before they're in range.
and.. I got the Firefly with Kinetic Tremors roll to drop with Arrowhead and Accurized. As well as a explosive/Rampage roll!! and a Gold Border with Hammer-Forged, Flared plus Shoot to loot / kinetic tremors... I'm just after a firefly/frenzy roll now. And those dropped after watching this video
Firefly/One For All is a lot of fun. Have it on Hung Jury and now on the coup! Still chasing firefly/kinetic. Keeping the outlaw/zen moment for a rainy PvP day.
I think id regret not farming dares of eternity this week more. (Theyre dropping season15 weapons which means a chance of the only top slot permissions pellet frame in the game)
I was lucky enough to literally get a shiny Firefly/Shoot-to-Loot, Kinetic Tremors/One-for-All roll literally just today. Got EVERYTHING I wanted in a PvE roll on it.
I just got a shiny last night with hammer-forged, flared mag, explosive/moving target and one4all/opening shot with a range masterwork. Can’t wait to try that sucker out when I get home from work. 😊👍
the issue i have is that coup is in the wrong slot. My utility special since it's debut has been a disorienting grenade, auto loading, chill clip Lingering Dread. That thing hardly ever comes off, and there are many more tempting options than a 140 hand cannon to take its place
Firefly Rampage is pure insanity. I can wipe almost everything with it, AND it gives me Grenade or Melee energy, subclass depending. Plus if you get a Firefly kill it procs Rampage. It's a 12/10 roll
First one i got was a firefly/kinetic tremor roll. It is indeed a slapper and a clapper. Im finding that i really love kinetic weapons on arc subclasses, and ive been using arclock a lot for onslaught. This and mountaintop with auto/recombination has been great
I like payload frenzy and payload one for all. Frenzy is a reload boost and a second 15% damage buff that's way easier to keep up. I have to see if I like how OFA feels. Because it might be inconvenient to keep up, but will be around a 55% buff
The second coup I got had Firefly and One For All a few later, and I got Explosive Payload and One For All. Both roles are great, but imo I love Firefly more because solar go boom
I'm glad I kept my firefly kinetic tremors roll, cause I was going for explosive payload kinetic temors instead and bagged it along the way. Absolutely love this gun makes me fall in love with 140 handcannons again
I don't really watch these types of videos often, but when I do, something clearly lacking for me, is explanation of what a weapon perk actually does every single time a new one gets mentioned. Sure, most of you all know all the names of all effects and all modifiers that ever existed, maybe he just forgot, and I'm also a sucky filthy casual with bad memory, but a lil' reminder for newer players or dumdumbs like me is really important imo, even though hearing "for those of you that don't know...." for the millionth time isn't the most fun or interesting thing. I think even just a screenshot of the description on the screen would be enough as to not waste time.
Im in love with the Midnight Coup again. I used it when it was an incredibly rare drop from the Leviathan raids, I missed it for years and IT FEELS SO GOOD to have back. I missed it more than fatebringer tbh. (Btw thank you for Pronouncing it Correctly)
I've been lucky enough to get both explosive payload and firefly kinetic tremor rolls multiple times. My go-to loadout has been Scatter Signal, Epochal Integration, Dragons Breath on Solar Titan, but Ill probably be running a new build shortly and I'm really looking forward to running Midnight Coup
As a fellow auto rifle fan boy (not been into hand cannons since D1) I've been enjoying the recently. The trust is still a little gem imo. Got an incandescent roll that puts in work. Also got one from crota with the wombo demo/adrenaline. Going to farm out a great MC for future playing
Firefly and One For All is my new favorite PvE Hand Cannon. PvP I don't have a roll I care about yet but fuck I love the sound and look of the hand cannon
ty for covering this! This will help me narrow down my farming a bit. 👍 Tho this is one weapon I will probably hoard every S tier roll I can when I get the extra time.
Fallout talking about Firefly/Kinetic Tremors, and I have one sitting in my vault that I have yet to try out lmao. Gonna break it out just for you, my guy.
I want EP + Kinetic Tremors, a consistent range increasing damage buff, stuns champions easier, and extra damage on chunky targets, like those champions.
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they changed explosive payload didnt they? Ur better off only using it for flinch not for range increase I thought.
Thank you for taking care of my other Hand Cannon Manscaped!
EP no longer helps range. In fact its about 1 meter shorter due to the health and damage changes.
i love that you can see coolguy in the background just smashing shit with the felwinter’s helm build he also just uploaded
Was gonna say this too lol
indeed, i'm a big fan of the DCCCU as well (Destiny Content Creator Cinematic Universe).
Dudes a nobody lmao
@@JohnSmith-uf3yn I smell toxicity
Firefly + One For All is a match made in heaven. My one problem with OFA has always been having to consciously shoot three different enemies. I know it's very simple and easy to do but it's something I am literally always thinking about every single time I'm in a fight and it's just annoying to me. Firefly is the opposite, literally shoot enemies the way you always do and get rewarded. Together, you basically get the benefits of OFA with the braindead ease-of-use of Firefly, since Firefly's explosions proc OFA
I agree with this. Shooting multiple enemies isn't hard to do at all, but when you're actively thinking about the perk to get that damage bonus, it makes everything feel weird
I've never used One for All because I never wanted to do the OCD counting game when I fight.
BUT, explosive payload + one for all is STUPID. If you shoot into any group of adds once, explosive immediately hits 3 targets and gives you one for all. You always have OFA up and running as long as you're shooting into any group. Pair that with minor spec + kinetic surge mod and any other buff... Holy crap. It hits like a 140 RPM machine gun.
I got a fire fly explosive tremors roll and that shii is crazyyyy
Explosive payload > firefly for harder content
Dont forget all BRAVE weapons will be able to be enhanced when final shape comes around
Edit: would you all chill the fuck out. It's all shiny and non shiny versions of the brave weapons. Bungie told us that we could enhance all four traits from the shiny ones when the final shape comes around so chill out please. This also goes for Slammer Wild style summoner and the Prophet, tusk of the boar and multimach CCX and all recently added prophecy weapons.
All shiny* BRAVE weapons.
just shiny ones you can enhance? Thought i was normal as well@arkonwolves7192
@@arkonwolves7192It’s only the shiny ones?
@@arkonwolves7192nope, it’s all brave weapons.
@@arkonwolves7192 this is false
Firefly + one for all was what I wanted and got a gold one last night with those perks. Now I just need like 4 more gold ones with different perks
Thats would im looking for, not many legendary weapons seem like they can hang with exotics & specials. That rolls seems like it can
You don't really need to get a golden one for every roll.
@@lordgrub12345golden = cool
@@lordgrub12345need no? WANT? YES
I have that roll and its great,loving it so far
Midnight coup is basically “ let’s take this hand cannon and add crack to it “
Not that’s rose 😂
@@Jason300_for pvp? Absolutely, but midnight looks like it was made with pve in mind (clearly) lol
@@alphakingdp583 He's most definitely talking in terms of PvP but honestly it's pretty good in there despite Rose and Austringer existing.
I love crack
@user-pq8on8bx9gJudgement is a PvE hand cannon, Eyasluna is a PvE/PvP hand cannon, Fatebringer is a PvE/PvP hand cannon, Warden’s Law is a PvE hand cannon, Igneous is a PvE/PvP hand cannon, Word of Crota is a PvE hand cannon, there are definitely quite a few PvE hand cannons.
Explosive payload currently hurts your damage falloff, even after the changes. (you can still 3 tap, just not as far) Bungie didn't change anything with explosive payload directly, they just buffed the base handcannon damage. You do 78 damage with the perk on, and 81 without the perk. I could literally take my fatebringer, barely miss the 3 tap with explosive payload, but then swap the perk to something else and get the 3 tap slightly out of optimal range. Would recommend looking into this, this will hurt damage perks that help make your gun more forgiving. The optimal range reduction is very slight, only about half a meter but it still matters.
No one has been talking about this. Until bungie adjusts this, I'm probably staying away from the perk.
Yup. It's especially bad on 120s like Bottom Dollar, True Prophecy, Targeted Redaction etc since they didn't do anything about the perk and only buffed 140s. The perk basically just makes guns worse now.
Payloads still geeked for PVE and that’s really where it shines. The PvP roll doesn’t involve payload and imo is moving target, opening shot
@@scrotumscratcher2474 for pve yeah its fine. Also for pvp I'd 100% go for zen moment. Opening shot's range increase is nice but you're losing out on the extra aim assist. Zen moment helps offset the lower stability by reducing flinch. Stacks up faster on handcannons too. Moving target is great tho.
@@Narfwak Yeah. Imo it doesn't need to extend falloff since it already provides extra flinch to enemies, but hurting the range and resilience checks feels terrible.
No, they fixed that
My 2 first onslaught missions, got explosive payload with one for all, then firefly with one for all. 🎉
Good to see a weapon from the leviathan raid get some love, i didn't use midnight coup I prefered ghost primus at the time now I'm definitely gonna start using it.
I miss my dawg Ghost Primus
Explosive Payload + frenzy is an insane roll for endgame pve. You have an almost permanent 30% dmg buff, max handling and reload, and tons of extra range for free, no kills required
Na considering you can get the same roll on the timelost fatebringer so getting it on this is worthless
@dfillio8993 not at all, midnight coup has better stats, has one of the best origin traits in the game (fatebringer has none), can be enhanced, and is way easier to farm. This gun made fatebringer worthless, not the other way around
@@dfillio8993 I would say timelost fatebringer is the guaranteed good roll. While midnight coup if you grind and get lucky with the roll is better due to origin trait.
@@TDKR21104 easier to farm? Na not even close I take it you’ve never done master Templar it litterally takes less than 2 min per run and you’re guaranteed the timelost fatebringer onslaught 10 waves of legend take 10 minutes at a minimum and you’re not even guaranteed the midnight coup even with atunements I’ve had multiple 50 wave runs where I only get 2 weapons im atuned to
@@dfillio8993 farming Templar is so lame and nobody wants to lfg to farm one boss for that long
I took one with Enlightened Action and Zen Moment into Crucible and immediately became everyone's problem.
Really?
Pretty sure you was getting shredded left and right from smgs lol🤣
Love my Firefly, Tremors combo. It puts in work.
Yep.. except when you're doing easy content.. Then you never set off Kinetic Tremors.. Still fun though
I never raided back before Beyond Light but I've grown to love this beauty of a hand cannon, Explosive Payload and Rampage makes it's firing sound seem accurate to how it hits
Been trying to get that roll. I have ep and frenzy.
“Kinetic tremors and explosive payload don’t mix”
Me - “What! Why!?”
He mostly means in synergy. Players thought EP would add double hit towards KT procs which is not the case.
That said? EP + KT gives a ton of damage and imo is probably the best for high tier content where you have tougher enemies. For low tier red bars? EP helps kill quicker which is almost sort of counter intuitive to KT which needs enemies alive long enough to get hit by 6 shots.
I would definitely hold onto it regardless.
Kinetic tremors is trash on midnight coup
@@JDxxxxxx 🗿
Other creators: the roll you don't want is firefly + kinetic tremors.
Fallout and myself: The roll you want is firefly and kinetic tremors.
Seriously, why are content creators telling people to avoid that roll? Its amazing. Maybe they just want to keep it to themselves.
It's SO good, it feels like an exotic perk that slipped through the cracks and makes you able to tackle groups with a HC from ranges you have no business shooting from even in GM's. Thank God one youtuber gets it. Also only gonna get better once it's enhancable.
because its bad. its fine that u want it for fun but realistically they are the worst combo. firefly requires a headshot but kinetic tremours does not do precision damage and may kill off the ad before u could get the precision shot
@@Kait07_agaisnt mobs, it wouldn't matter because the enemy is either exploding via firefly or getting killed by kinetic tremors.
Win win
@@acardenasjr1340 you quite literally described the disadvantage. they only work separately and not together. explosive payload and kinetic tremours work at the same time, that's why it is sought after
@@Kait07_ damn. That's crazy.
In the middle of my quest to unlock the Midnight coup attunement...and had a kinetic tremor/firefly drop and I'm like "okay, I'm done!" it feels so good
EP and KT are really good combo. i usually play GM, so it's the best kinetic hand cannon so far.
Also, FF and Rampage for usual PVE contents. Both are really easy to proc
I got a Fire Fly + Kinetic Tremors Coup and dismantled it when I got those perks on Hung Jury. The faster RPMs on HG allows more frequent KC procs on big targets. And the snappy reload with FF allows you to double down on mag size
I have Explosive Payload/One for All and yes it wrecks everything in PVE. I took it into 50 wave Onslaught and it kicks so much ass, just point, shoot, explode, profit. I will try this in a GM next chance I get since we have Unstoppable HC in the artifact this season.
I would run enlightened + zen enlightened gives handling and it maxes out after like 2 hits. kinda like eye of the storm but worse
@@jonathancotter7429 if its worse than why would you want to use it? just use a eye of the storm hc if u want that
@Kait07_ I do. I run a Zen, eye of the storm, austringer, I also run a moving target, Eye, Judgment on smaller maps.
I'm hunting a max range, moving target zen coup though for cope
@@jonathancotter7429definitely doable, but I prefer damage perks
Firefly and Frenzy is my personal god roll, I love it!
I think I’ll main the Coup because I really want a Hand Cannon that’s top tier in Pve and PvP. Thanks to Limited edition double perks I can get that on one gun. I’m also planning on getting a Luna’s Howl with heal clip/incandescent and a pvp roll
I love my Firefly+Frenzy roll sooooo much. Oh how I've missed that thing from back in the days. Was my favorite hand cannon in year 1 PvE and it might become my favorite again. Considering all the competition it has now that's a strong thing to say.
Another point to mention is that with a Firefly+Frenzy roll you can fully spec into range and stability to your liking (and luck ofc) because either one of the perks bumps reload to 100 and Frenzy ofc bumps handling to 100.
last night i got a shiny midnight coup with smallbore, accurized rounds, and range masterwork. the perks were swapping between either zen moment + moving target for pvp or firefly + kinetic tremors for pve. needless to say i will never be taking it off. i recognize that i may be the envy of many players right now
Blew my RNG load on a Coup with Smallbore, acc rounds, explosive/enlightened, Zen moment shiny. Havent taken it for a spin in PvP yet, but cant wait to do so.
thats trash lmao
@@woodybeastin no it isn't lol. explosive payload + zen moment is the pvp godroll. smallbore and acc rounds are also the best perks in slot. you have no idea what you are talking about. if he has a range MW it would be a 5/5 pvp godroll
@@woodybeastinWhat’s he bragging about lol
@@woodybeastin ...that's a god roll if it has range masterwork lmao
Then people can just use a crafted austringer and probably dump all over it@@Kait07_
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I wanted a God Roll Mountaintop and Edge Transit (I like Grenades) but even with attunement all I get is HUNG JURY AND SUCCESSION
Got mine golden with Firefly/Shoot to loot and Tremors. Just what I wanted. Easily the best legendary kinetic PvE HC and probably the best legendary kinetic weapon in general.
I'd also throw in Explosive Payload plus Desperate Measures. It's a 30% but you can keep it up as long as you get kills and you can get the x3 off of a single grenade or melee rapid kill. For anyone who doesn't really like that one for all timer.
Petition for the next "YOU HAVE TO GRIND FOR THIS WEAPON" video Fallout makes, for it to say
"You will 74% regret not farming this."
Or another random percentage.
I have a coup with 70 range, firefly and tremors. Its amazing.
And a blast furnace with those perks too.
I was actually really intrigued on the attrition orbs roll with tremors and damn that thing gets your super back so fast on star eaters. Goodbye bad juju!
My rolls hammer forged accurized rounds moveing target and opening shot with a range masterwork
sick roll, zen would be my pick but opening shot is very good also
First drop I got was hammer forged, tac mag, firefly, kinetic tremor and I haven't stopped using it since. Just feels incredible
I got a fluted, flared with range mw firefly, kt roll.. pretty godly
Not a handcannon harold, but got the firefly and KT roll, and, to quote todd howard, "it just works". Which is to say if you want a HC to put out for you when the chips are down this is the play.
I just got a Firefly + Kinetic Tremors this morning. I don't like hand cannons (aside from Sunshot), but this has made me open my mind about using weapon archetypes I don't like using... like sniper rifles. I also got a Succession with Recon + Box Breathing & somehow I like using snipers. It's not the best roll, but shit - I'm never gonna have the chance to craft Whisper because I'm not good and I don't really have the time to get good (all I can muster is "meh," which, to me, is better than "bad").
I've been grinding it. All night tonight. Three full 50 wave runs, two of them legend. I've gotten so.. many.. rolls, but none of the ones I want. Pain.
Firefly counts as solar weapon damage btw, so you can use it for solar synergy
The sheer amount of knowledge this game requires is overwhelming. As a new light who just cameback to destiny any tips would be welcome
Already got a spare rations with kinetic tremors so I will probably pass. I been using Multimac with kinetic tremors and atrition orbs anyway which makes TONS of orbs!
This with firefly will free up that secondary slot. Gonna be dropping a few hours tonight I guess.
also for Pve DO NOT SLEEP ON DESPRETE MEASURES, its going to go insane when prismatic drops and already is going nuts if you run a void devour build seeing you just throw out a nade and you pretty much have max stacks that is 30% and its able to be refreshed. don't sleep on it.
its cope relax
Problem with Desperate Measures is it's 30%, which sounds like a lot (that's Bait and Switch!) until you realize exotic primaries get 40% extra damage to red bars just for existing, which is the enemy you'd most care about shooting a primary at in the first place.
@@life-destiny1196 i didn't even know that was a thing, thank you for the info. however, you still can make use of a good legendary primary like that if you want an exotic in another slot.
The issue with this is you have to jump through hoops to get a 7 second 30% damage buff. One for all in the same slot just needs there to be 3 enemies to get a 10 second 35% damage buff. I don't see why you wouldn't just want one for all.
@Shawstins not saying it's worth the tradeoff, but desperate measures is refreshable, one for all isn't, so once you get it going, you can basically keep it up 24/7 vs one for all will fall off and you have to refresh it
I got Enlightened Action + Kinetic Tremors and it’s so nice, as long as I hit shots I get a reload speed buff and kinetic tremors is amazing in harder content
Dedperate Measures with a grenade = 3 stacks. Melee = 2, weapon kill = 1.
After testing the damage compared to Master of arms, its 10% per stack for 6 seconds. But it can be enhanced in Final Shape.
I very rarely do PvP and even then I'm not inclined towards HCs, and in PvE it's only when there's a champ mod active, but I'm really enjoying this thing.
Honestly, the coup's unique model and firing sound are enough to make me use it
Best one I've gotten is an Explosive/Zen Moment with Range MW and that'll be a favorite goto for PvP.
It’s a legendary kinetic hand cannon. Will I farm it? Sure. Would I regret it if I didn’t? Nah
That's crazy bro
Absolutely tweaking. Kinetic HCs are as powerful as exotics with the right perks and it’s opens up energy and heavy to be your exotic. Learn the game smfh
the roll I'd want: explosive / frenzy
do I already have that roll on ANOTHER kinetic 140? yes
do I NEED a different one with a origin trait... naw
@@Ashxliy You'll be able to enhance them in time.
@@photosimonson that 's what you would want. Not the best roll.
I got one with Firefly/One For All, and it has actually made me decide to retire my Timelost Fatebringer I got during Season of The Lost with 24,000 kills. This thing hits harder than dad after he has his “feel good juice”
Manage to get a Firefly Kinetic Tremors roll prior to this vid releasing and it feels so nice to use in pve. Love ur vids Fallout! 😆
It just has always sounded so crisp. And looked gorgeous.
I learned I CLEARLY didn't make enough room in my vault for this many great choices.
Midnight coup never dropped for me when running leviathan. So I’m glad it’s back, especially with the new perks.
The amount of conditional finality crutch in comp and trials is hilarious.
The only reason to use Midnight Coup for pvp is EP + Zen. Rose out ranges Coup with Slideshot + EP or Slideshot + OS and Austringer can get EotS + Zen (EotS > Moving Target, imo)
My favorite video on rolls, short & sweet with clear need to know info. Thanks
Desperate measures x3 can be shared with other brave weapon with desperate measures in other slots. So your midnightCoup has desperate measures x3 you swap to your hammerhead with desperate measures perk well it also buff at x3
I actually got a holofoil Firefly + Tremors last night while looking for a Firefly + Rampage.
Glad to see it's not something I should shard.
EP + Firefly is the roll I run on Zaouli’s, can confirm it’s amazing
Am I the only one that loves Enlightened Action as a reload perk?? 4 hits on Hand Cannon for 50 reload speed? Love it. Love it on high rpm weapons too
Lol yes, you are the only one. Firefly gives you the same reload speed bonus of Enlightened Action at 5 stacks but also triggering a Dragonfly explosion on precision kill AND you could do it on 1 bullet if the target is weak or low enough. Mathematically, you’re nerfing yourself choosing EA over Firefly.
High RPM weapons like autos is a different choice however most of the time there are better options. If your aim is not that good and you struggle with headshots, then maybe EA is better for you.
It's pretty good, but consider Firefly also gives you that much reload speed for getting a precision kill and helps you wave clear as well. More of a PVP perk IMO, great on something like an SMG or auto where you can stack it a few times on someone shotgun rushing you and then take advantage of the handling to pull your own shotgun and clean up before they're in range.
and.. I got the Firefly with Kinetic Tremors roll to drop with Arrowhead and Accurized. As well as a explosive/Rampage roll!! and a Gold Border with Hammer-Forged, Flared plus Shoot to loot / kinetic tremors... I'm just after a firefly/frenzy roll now. And those dropped after watching this video
Firefly/One For All is a lot of fun. Have it on Hung Jury and now on the coup! Still chasing firefly/kinetic.
Keeping the outlaw/zen moment for a rainy PvP day.
I think id regret not farming dares of eternity this week more.
(Theyre dropping season15 weapons which means a chance of the only top slot permissions pellet frame in the game)
oh frac? I have a quick draw+opening shot with full choke at home
"Good god, that gun f***s" lmao
the amount of good rolls that these guns have are pretty nice, they should be craftable
I was lucky enough to literally get a shiny Firefly/Shoot-to-Loot, Kinetic Tremors/One-for-All roll literally just today. Got EVERYTHING I wanted in a PvE roll on it.
0:58 Welcome onto the kinetic tremors wagon, have a seat.
In my first couple of onslaught runs, I got a shiny Coup with Explosive Payload/Firefly in column 3 and Kinetic Tremors in column 4 lol
I farmed a total of 1500 Luna's Howl and didn't get a heal clip, incandescent role. Heal clip dropped 1x and incandescent 3x
Cap
Firefly and one for all is godly, both perks activate each other! Must have!
I just got a shiny last night with hammer-forged, flared mag, explosive/moving target and one4all/opening shot with a range masterwork. Can’t wait to try that sucker out when I get home from work. 😊👍
I got the Shiny Godroll with Firefly/Explosive Payload + Kinetic Tremors/Frenzy. Its a beast.
the issue i have is that coup is in the wrong slot. My utility special since it's debut has been a disorienting grenade, auto loading, chill clip Lingering Dread. That thing hardly ever comes off, and there are many more tempting options than a 140 hand cannon to take its place
I'm so happy, i've gotten a shiny with shoot to loot, kinetic tremors and explosive zen moment. the all in one package for pve and pvp
Got an explosive payload, kinetic tremors role. It’s pretty solid
Kinetic tremors taking 6 shots to proc makes the perk an immediate skip for me
Firefly Rampage is pure insanity. I can wipe almost everything with it, AND it gives me Grenade or Melee energy, subclass depending. Plus if you get a Firefly kill it procs Rampage. It's a 12/10 roll
My first shiny was explosive payload | attrition orb / rampage | kinetic tremor. Pretty satified with it but I'll still look for a firefly one.
First one i got was a firefly/kinetic tremor roll. It is indeed a slapper and a clapper. Im finding that i really love kinetic weapons on arc subclasses, and ive been using arclock a lot for onslaught. This and mountaintop with auto/recombination has been great
My personal shiny midnight coup roll will be
Firefly+Kenetic Tremor
Explosive payload +One For All for pve
I like payload frenzy and payload one for all.
Frenzy is a reload boost and a second 15% damage buff that's way easier to keep up.
I have to see if I like how OFA feels. Because it might be inconvenient to keep up, but will be around a 55% buff
How can someone not love this guy
The second coup I got had Firefly and One For All a few later, and I got Explosive Payload and One For All.
Both roles are great, but imo I love Firefly more because solar go boom
I'm glad I kept my firefly kinetic tremors roll, cause I was going for explosive payload kinetic temors instead and bagged it along the way. Absolutely love this gun makes me fall in love with 140 handcannons again
I don't really watch these types of videos often, but when I do, something clearly lacking for me, is explanation of what a weapon perk actually does every single time a new one gets mentioned. Sure, most of you all know all the names of all effects and all modifiers that ever existed, maybe he just forgot, and I'm also a sucky filthy casual with bad memory, but a lil' reminder for newer players or dumdumbs like me is really important imo, even though hearing "for those of you that don't know...." for the millionth time isn't the most fun or interesting thing. I think even just a screenshot of the description on the screen would be enough as to not waste time.
I managed to get a Shiney attrition orbs/Explosive payload, kinetic tremors/ rampage roll, pretty happy with that
Im in love with the Midnight Coup again. I used it when it was an incredibly rare drop from the Leviathan raids, I missed it for years and IT FEELS SO GOOD to have back. I missed it more than fatebringer tbh. (Btw thank you for Pronouncing it Correctly)
I've been lucky enough to get both explosive payload and firefly kinetic tremor rolls multiple times. My go-to loadout has been Scatter Signal, Epochal Integration, Dragons Breath on Solar Titan, but Ill probably be running a new build shortly and I'm really looking forward to running Midnight Coup
Got Midnight Coup with max range firefly and KT and it's such a fun gun!
firefly and kinetic is amazing my new favorite hand cannon
As a fellow auto rifle fan boy (not been into hand cannons since D1) I've been enjoying the recently. The trust is still a little gem imo. Got an incandescent roll that puts in work. Also got one from crota with the wombo demo/adrenaline.
Going to farm out a great MC for future playing
I got a firefly + one for all along with decent PvP perks on the same gun. I haven’t thought I’d enjoy this gun this much in pve 😳
Honestly I'm glad I watched this video because now I have a way to maximize damage with my Firefly/Kinetic Tremors MC.
I think I have 12 Coups in total and Firefly/Frenzy and Explosive/Kinetic Tremors are my top 2 favs.
Favorite pvp roll zen moment and moving target or opening shot with a range masterwork
Explosive Payload + Frenzy is good for reliably and is good in both PvE and PvP.
I got a Shiny Coup from a shaxx engram with attrition orbs, fire fly, and kinetic tremors, zen moment!
Firefly and One For All is my new favorite PvE Hand Cannon. PvP I don't have a roll I care about yet but fuck I love the sound and look of the hand cannon
ty for covering this! This will help me narrow down my farming a bit. 👍 Tho this is one weapon I will probably hoard every S tier roll I can when I get the extra time.
Fallout talking about Firefly/Kinetic Tremors, and I have one sitting in my vault that I have yet to try out lmao. Gonna break it out just for you, my guy.
I want EP + Kinetic Tremors, a consistent range increasing damage buff, stuns champions easier, and extra damage on chunky targets, like those champions.