I'm glad I continued watching, because my fingers were already typing up how this isn't a rappelling route and was dying with the overkill at the beginning of the video lol. I'm glad you cleared that up at the 5:30 mark. I've done this 3 times with no rope and twice with rope, each with a full pack to spend the night in the canyon. While the rope is certainly a welcoming assist, it's not 100 percent necessary.
Hi there! Thanks for this amazing, detailed footage about the "crux" passage on this route! I'm wondering if that middle section, where you used the rope, is really more challenging than the uppermost and lowest parts, where you didn't yet attach the rope/had run out of rope, respectively. I'm asking because I'd love to hike that trail but am unfamiliar with ropes and harnesses. On the other hand, I'm the agile, outdoorsy type (trail running, mountain biking, the odd rock scramble included...). What would you think?
Thanks! I wouldn’t do it without gear. It can be done without gear, but if you slip and don’t have a way to arrest the fall, you’ll be in for one hell of a ride down to the bottom. I’ve seen a lot of videos of people descending without gear or just with a hand line, and they made it. But again, if they had slipped for whatever reason, they wouldn’t have been able to stop themselves from falling all the way down about 60’ to the landing. To me, it wasn’t worth the risk. Falling is no joke. A fall like that (or even a lot less than that) could result and a broken back or neck. The risk of ending up paraplegic or quadriplegic just doesn’t make sense when it can be mitigated by carrying a bit of gear and making safety a priority. And even if one of those worst-case scenarios doesn’t happen, having a brain injury or breaking a leg, arm, ankle, wrist, rib, etc. is still a major issue. I know I probably sound a bit dramatic, but I take safety very seriously having had a few close calls in my day. I hope that helps👍
@@adrianofthewest Thanks a bunch for this detailed account! It's done its job in raising red flags! ;) I totally agree with you that injury of whatever sort is not an option out there. OK, so I'll look into how to handle basic climbing gear! Best, Markus
@@rangim1 you bet. It could be worth taking a 1/2” nut and bolt hanger just in case though. I don’t think I measured the bolt diameter, but most are 3/8”.
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I'm glad I continued watching, because my fingers were already typing up how this isn't a rappelling route and was dying with the overkill at the beginning of the video lol. I'm glad you cleared that up at the 5:30 mark. I've done this 3 times with no rope and twice with rope, each with a full pack to spend the night in the canyon. While the rope is certainly a welcoming assist, it's not 100 percent necessary.
Lol props to you for suspending your response until you watched the whole thing. It seems to be a rare quality these days. 🤙
Hi there! Thanks for this amazing, detailed footage about the "crux" passage on this route! I'm wondering if that middle section, where you used the rope, is really more challenging than the uppermost and lowest parts, where you didn't yet attach the rope/had run out of rope, respectively. I'm asking because I'd love to hike that trail but am unfamiliar with ropes and harnesses. On the other hand, I'm the agile, outdoorsy type (trail running, mountain biking, the odd rock scramble included...). What would you think?
Thanks! I wouldn’t do it without gear. It can be done without gear, but if you slip and don’t have a way to arrest the fall, you’ll be in for one hell of a ride down to the bottom. I’ve seen a lot of videos of people descending without gear or just with a hand line, and they made it. But again, if they had slipped for whatever reason, they wouldn’t have been able to stop themselves from falling all the way down about 60’ to the landing. To me, it wasn’t worth the risk. Falling is no joke. A fall like that (or even a lot less than that) could result and a broken back or neck. The risk of ending up paraplegic or quadriplegic just doesn’t make sense when it can be mitigated by carrying a bit of gear and making safety a priority. And even if one of those worst-case scenarios doesn’t happen, having a brain injury or breaking a leg, arm, ankle, wrist, rib, etc. is still a major issue. I know I probably sound a bit dramatic, but I take safety very seriously having had a few close calls in my day. I hope that helps👍
@@adrianofthewest Thanks a bunch for this detailed account! It's done its job in raising red flags! ;) I totally agree with you that injury of whatever sort is not an option out there. OK, so I'll look into how to handle basic climbing gear! Best, Markus
@@markusschmied2237 You bet! I’m glad it helped! Let me know if you have other questions.
do you know any details on the bolt that was in the rock and what i can use to clip onto it
I believe it was a 3/8” bolt.
@@adrianofthewest thanks
@@rangim1 you bet. It could be worth taking a 1/2” nut and bolt hanger just in case though. I don’t think I measured the bolt diameter, but most are 3/8”.
@@adrianofthewest got it thanks!
@@rangim1 🤙🤙