Dave, I can't thank you enough. This tutorial helped me make more than the growl synth, it opened up a lot of options I didn't know about to making synths. Thank you so much!
You are the real deal, man. Not only do you know all about synthesis in reason, but you are good at explaining it in a musical and coherent way. It took me years to figure out some of the stuff you explain in any given video. I always come back to these whenever I'm in need of inspiration. Thank you!
Dave, I think you're probably one of the best reason tutors on youtube and on the internet itself, aside from the people at Propellerheads. Each video you make that I've watched has taught me a little bit more, so thank you very much! Also, I'm saving this synth as Robo-Cerberus, cause the name just sounds amazing.
Dude, thank you SO much for all the background info. It's nice to not just "copy/paste" settings and parameters, but to understand the fundamentals of the sound and synth to afford more focused experimentation. I look forward to more tutorials and of course, to making more epic music. Cheers!
Because this way he teaches you the basics of what each setting in the preset does and in that way you can use what you learn from the tutorial to make your own freakish bassy combinations
Best production channel on TH-cam. Even though I'm not a Reason user, your explanations are clear and informative enough to apply across a wide variety of different situations, let alone DAWs. Thanks for doing what you do. :]
Watching in 2023. Why? Because I've just listened back to some of my old tracks when I first started producing, which were following these tutorials. This channel is where I started from, in Langdale Hall student accommodation in Manchester. It's amazing, watching and listening and knowing EXACTLY what everything in Thor does, despite having never used it since 2011. Back then I didn't have a CLUE and was just following along blindly. Even though I always followed along and copied everything, it never sounded nearly as good!
@Cazaq With 7 Day Songs I figure if people want to hear the final thing they can skip to the final song. If they want to have the fun of hearing the sound build up, they can do that too. If more people want previews then I'll consider it, but if you guys enjoy the anticipation, let me know.
At first I was like "Hah,this guy talks funny,and he sounds really..." but then I stopped myself,and kept watching, and was like "Holy damn...this guy knows his shit,I never knew how complicated this could be" Just goes to show,you cant judge a book by its cover,errr,well in this case,voice. Nice work dude,I hope one day after years of practice I could even come a little close to your level of knowledge on music production. Im looking forward to learning about this.
You should always preview the final effect at the beginning of the video , it's just more easy to see if I like what you might have to offer. Thanks for the awesome tutorials.
Dave,I am really glad u did this tutorial...The THOR is a bit of a mystery to me,so thanks to u and yr 128 mutant puppies,things make a bit more sense....Hopefully soon I will be able to use it without having to follow tutorials step by step.
this taught me a lot, but one question i usually cut off the low sub in EQs so its not so muddy will this work too to clear the muddyness? Of course it probaly depends on how much low ends are in the synth already.
I actually found it quite intuitive and well the fact I understand kind of what you are getting at. If you don't, then learn about manipulating synthesizers.Otherwise you may as well being writing a letter in the dark. Good tutorial, keep at it.
@wwwboyinabandcom idk if you ever did this but i like to sometimes open up the demo songs and i solo every instrument so i can hear each sound by itself and then you really listen and can analyze everything once you hear it all come together , i feel more appreciation seeing it all get built
@morcia17 Being able to have a lilac windows theme and comfortably talk about fluffy animals only solidifies my confidence in my heterosexuality. I'm not one of those kinds of people that, you know, feel the need to call random people gay over the internet in order to temporarily reassure themselves of their own orientation.
Great tutorial, but the only thing I missed was if the original bass line MIDI sample was chopped a little before hand??? I'm guessing it was because when he layered the Subtractor it had the same stutter???
Wobble: It's a bunch of note in rapid succession with the Wave tables from the Thor Polysynthesizer in this tutorial. Pitch Bend: Personally I right click of the Pitch Wheel and click Edit Automation and move the wheel up and down as I want it to sound. Hope that helps you.
@ObeLL1 I guess Dave was being sarcastic about Reason NOT placing them there out of itself. If you left click on the Line Mixer 6:2 and the right click -> create MClass Equalizer, it should hook up the cables the right way. If you still have trouble getting it right Line Mixer: - Send out -> Scream 4 input - Send in -> Scream 4 output - Master out -> Compressor input Compressor output -> EQ1 input EQ1 output -> EQ2 input EQ2 output -> Combinator "From Devices" input Hope this helps!:)
theres good harmor preset on flstudio called growler or if you add alittle distortion on megatron puked on a cat you can save your self some frustration
Had the same problem. The synths are not combined properly. Just mark the thor synths and the combinator (ctrl+left mouse), right click the combinator and combine. Or if they are combined try to re-combine them. Mark synths and combinator. Right click on combinator and uncombine. Create new combinator and combine the devices. You might run into the same problem once you create the subtractor so do that first and combine all three. I don't know why this happens but this manouver solved it for me.
FYI: The wavetable oscillator does not have 128 waveforms, only 128 positions based on the fact that the position is measured out of a possible 128 values (0-127). The harmonics wavetables have the most maxing out at 32 individual waveforms. If you turn X-Fade off, you'll see what I mean.
Thanks Dave, for yet another great tutorial! One question:did you record the bare sound of the two patches playing together, or was thre a Mastering Suite active in the video? I used the exact values you 'clicked to' (e.g. not 'around 2.5KHz' but the exact value shown) but I can't get it to sound quite as awesome as in the video without mastering. PS: I found out setting the Scream to 'scream' mode with P1 around 93 makes it much grittier in the highs. Going to try sidechaining it next :)
So, you know, ads suck. So does buffering. Ads and Buffering? Please. But getting the "An error has occurred. Please try again later." message during an add. SHIT.
Hey Dave, I've noticed that when i take the release all the way down on the compressor, it starts to get very distorted, almost like a digital clipping. Anyway to get around this? =/
FUN FACT: when you press the arrow to choose an osc you can press the Letter it starts with eg A for analog W for wavetable, also works when routing LFO's etc :D
For some reason, when I duplicate the thor and attach the copy to the 6:2 mixer, I only hear one thor at a time, not both as you are. How do I fix this?
How do you know how to do this? When I show my friends the things I know, they seem impressed. But, when I see what you can do, I feel like a total n00b..
something is wrong with my eq and compressor , the peak meter doesnt move and it doesnt make a change in my sound. basically it isnt on or connected . i need help please
and one more point from experience, i would rather have one or two oscillators, rather than three in unison, this is because multiple waveforms make the mix muddy, rather than dirty, and it is important for distictions in the growl, however, multiple jagged waves at once do not help with that
hey so how do you make Reason like that. Mine only just shows the rack and and doesn't have that side bar that shows where you are in the rack. I have reason 5 also.
I have recently bought reason 6 for my mac, but i was wondering if i need to buy additional items to help me make dubstep such as keyboards, MiDi pads ect. Is this neccessary?
I was listening to this with headphones, I take them off for a second, and when I put them back on, you're talking about an evil scientist that wants to manipulate puppies. Brilliant.
I find that multi oscillators do a better job(saw wave particularly) or mixed waves 2 on the wavetable with unmodulated pos. i then run them through a scream 4 with mid to high tone, and no pressence. no cut, and a quarter damage, which then is modulated to desired frequency with lfo 2
I tried making this synth in Reason/Record duo and when I go to duplicate the Thor and wire it up panning one left & one right, I only get sound from the right.
Reason and FL are basically exactly the same, if you want to be able to make Growls I'd totally use Sytrus as you do already, it's actually a really powerful FM synth when used correctly, I'd recommend checking out a guy called Seamless, his How To Bass series is basically all you need to know about making bass synths..
hey dave used the cerberuss synth on a dnb track (sounds pritty good) check it out if you have the time .... did post video response but cant see it there (not sure how all this works yet lol)
ok, at first. i thought i was learning how to make some sick dubstep.... turns out, all that made me feel stupid! im not afraid to admit that that was WAY over my head.
so i may be a noob for asking this. but how do you actually make sound with the thor? i can only get the option to make sound if i add a nn-xt or something like that. or even better, how would i record my guitar in this? (like in your vid where your play dubstep with your guitar) i cant get it to work. help would be very nice. thanks
Dave, I can't thank you enough. This tutorial helped me make more than the growl synth, it opened up a lot of options I didn't know about to making synths. Thank you so much!
I've got no idea what you're doing or how this could be helpful to me, but you're just too entertaining, so i watched it anyway.
You are the real deal, man. Not only do you know all about synthesis in reason, but you are good at explaining it in a musical and coherent way. It took me years to figure out some of the stuff you explain in any given video. I always come back to these whenever I'm in need of inspiration. Thank you!
the more precise and effective tuto i've never seen on youtube for this kind of music.
Dave, I think you're probably one of the best reason tutors on youtube and on the internet itself, aside from the people at Propellerheads. Each video you make that I've watched has taught me a little bit more, so thank you very much!
Also, I'm saving this synth as Robo-Cerberus, cause the name just sounds amazing.
Dude, thank you SO much for all the background info. It's nice to not just "copy/paste" settings and parameters, but to understand the fundamentals of the sound and synth to afford more focused experimentation. I look forward to more tutorials and of course, to making more epic music. Cheers!
Because this way he teaches you the basics of what each setting in the preset does and in that way you can use what you learn from the tutorial to make your own freakish bassy combinations
Best production channel on TH-cam.
Even though I'm not a Reason user, your explanations are clear and informative enough to apply across a wide variety of different situations, let alone DAWs.
Thanks for doing what you do. :]
Watching in 2023. Why? Because I've just listened back to some of my old tracks when I first started producing, which were following these tutorials. This channel is where I started from, in Langdale Hall student accommodation in Manchester.
It's amazing, watching and listening and knowing EXACTLY what everything in Thor does, despite having never used it since 2011. Back then I didn't have a CLUE and was just following along blindly. Even though I always followed along and copied everything, it never sounded nearly as good!
nicely explained... Ive been working with reason since ver.1 and still Im able to learn something new whenever I watch a tut. like this.. niiice :)
dude... the way you explain everything is just genius.
Your knowledge of reason is very very impressive.
@Cazaq With 7 Day Songs I figure if people want to hear the final thing they can skip to the final song. If they want to have the fun of hearing the sound build up, they can do that too. If more people want previews then I'll consider it, but if you guys enjoy the anticipation, let me know.
thank you for making tutorials that are actually fun to watch!
At first I was like "Hah,this guy talks funny,and he sounds really..." but then I stopped myself,and kept watching, and was like "Holy damn...this guy knows his shit,I never knew how complicated this could be"
Just goes to show,you cant judge a book by its cover,errr,well in this case,voice. Nice work dude,I hope one day after years of practice I could even come a little close to your level of knowledge on music production. Im looking forward to learning about this.
Hey man, robo Cerberus sounds nice and deep and dark ! Thanks for making this video ! I really really appreciate it.
oh my fucking god. the mad scientist metaphor was the most helpful metaphor I've ever fucking heard.
If you put a limiter on the master channel but then threshold the growl bass all the way up would that ruin the sound?
That first "HI" scared the shit out of me!
You should always preview the final effect at the beginning of the video , it's just more easy to see if I like what you might have to offer.
Thanks for the awesome tutorials.
this high-pitched "Hi!" is THE sign of rising excitement and upcoming infotainment
Hit 8 over and over YOU ARE A DJ NOW
Dave,I am really glad u did this tutorial...The THOR is a bit of a mystery to me,so thanks to u and yr 128 mutant puppies,things make a bit more sense....Hopefully soon I will be able to use it without having to follow tutorials step by step.
I made a track while watching this, it's called "Dave's Dog":
soundcloud.com/unfa/daves-dog-v-04
i actually followed this quite well, i its his voice, it doesn't get annoying over time like most tutorials
Your description of wavetables just made dubstep so much better lmao. I'll be thinking of pissed off angry mutant puppies every time now.
Do more of these tutorials please Dave :)
you are really and truely a spectacular teacher..THANK YOU sooooo much and plenty for these tutorials....it help me out alot...god bless you...
You are awesome. This tutorial is informative yet entertaning. You awesome, you.
I like how you utilize the equalizers and compressor., few people really understand the importance of their use.
this taught me a lot, but one question i usually cut off the low sub in EQs so its not so muddy will this work too to clear the muddyness? Of course it probaly depends on how much low ends are in the synth already.
I actually found it quite intuitive and well the fact I understand kind of what you are getting at. If you don't, then learn about manipulating synthesizers.Otherwise you may as well being writing a letter in the dark. Good tutorial, keep at it.
Sir. Your sarcasm just got you another sub.
Love your pink window-frame! :D
this is awesome!! very useful. where can i go to learn more about the theory of sound design?
@wwwboyinabandcom idk if you ever did this but i like to sometimes open up the demo songs and i solo every instrument so i can hear each sound by itself and then you really listen and can analyze everything once you hear it all come together , i feel more appreciation seeing it all get built
@morcia17 Being able to have a lilac windows theme and comfortably talk about fluffy animals only solidifies my confidence in my heterosexuality.
I'm not one of those kinds of people that, you know, feel the need to call random people gay over the internet in order to temporarily reassure themselves of their own orientation.
This is amazing. thx so much. this can be done with Reason 5 correct? like all the amps, vsts etc are included? cuz this is gunna help me out so much
Mate you have the funniest voice ever, but the tutorial is great :)
Great tutorial, but the only thing I missed was if the original bass line MIDI sample was chopped a little before hand??? I'm guessing it was because when he layered the Subtractor it had the same stutter???
Boyinaband how did you make that little wobble in the beginning of the notes and how did you add pitch bend, please answer!
Wobble: It's a bunch of note in rapid succession with the Wave tables from the Thor Polysynthesizer in this tutorial. Pitch Bend: Personally I right click of the Pitch Wheel and click Edit Automation and move the wheel up and down as I want it to sound. Hope that helps you.
William Woodard thanks bro
Lukas Nilsson no worries. hope it worked for you.
@ObeLL1
I guess Dave was being sarcastic about Reason NOT placing them there out of itself. If you left click on the Line Mixer 6:2 and the right click -> create MClass Equalizer, it should hook up the cables the right way. If you still have trouble getting it right
Line Mixer:
- Send out -> Scream 4 input
- Send in -> Scream 4 output
- Master out -> Compressor input
Compressor output -> EQ1 input
EQ1 output -> EQ2 input
EQ2 output -> Combinator "From Devices" input
Hope this helps!:)
Really liking this tut. The more of your tutorials I watch, the more I want to pick reason back up. Thor seems to be a pretty bitching synth maker.
ur doing that wobble effect in notes with pitch? cuz u didnt assigned rotary
i miss these tutorials.
theres good harmor preset on flstudio called growler or if you add alittle distortion on megatron puked on a cat you can save your self some frustration
i need to know what program your using bro those synths look awesome :)
Had the same problem. The synths are not combined properly. Just mark the thor synths and the combinator (ctrl+left mouse), right click the combinator and combine. Or if they are combined try to re-combine them. Mark synths and combinator. Right click on combinator and uncombine. Create new combinator and combine the devices. You might run into the same problem once you create the subtractor so do that first and combine all three. I don't know why this happens but this manouver solved it for me.
Very nice tuts, but I a little concerned how you use the EQ. Though the final result is very nice.
FYI: The wavetable oscillator does not have 128 waveforms, only 128 positions based on the fact that the position is measured out of a possible 128 values (0-127). The harmonics wavetables have the most maxing out at 32 individual waveforms. If you turn X-Fade off, you'll see what I mean.
Thanks for the tutorial, but why dont u upload the preset with a download link?
is he still doing tutorial videos guys?
Thanks Dave, for yet another great tutorial!
One question:did you record the bare sound of the two patches playing together, or was thre a Mastering Suite active in the video? I used the exact values you 'clicked to' (e.g. not 'around 2.5KHz' but the exact value shown) but I can't get it to sound quite as awesome as in the video without mastering.
PS: I found out setting the Scream to 'scream' mode with P1 around 93 makes it much grittier in the highs.
Going to try sidechaining it next :)
great tutorial Dave, thanks !
@TheDustyAlex use automation, right click the the pitch wheel and in the sequencer point and click the timing and pitch that you'd like.
you really are a scientist !
So, you know, ads suck. So does buffering. Ads and Buffering? Please. But getting the "An error has occurred. Please try again later." message during an add. SHIT.
really cool, but where did you learn all of that?
@wwwboyinabandcom what program is this that your using? thanks :)
Very usefull video thanks!!! After watching this carefully, i feel like i can make any dirty sound, gonna make my own dubstep :D
I could, but it's also in the description. I kindly suggest you read that :)
Hey Dave, I've noticed that when i take the release all the way down on the compressor, it starts to get very distorted, almost like a digital clipping. Anyway to get around this? =/
FUN FACT: when you press the arrow to choose an osc you can press the Letter it starts with eg A for analog W for wavetable, also works when routing LFO's etc :D
@OneMoreMusician So wait. You mean it's making a note lane for Thor and not an automation lane under the combinator's note lane?
what is this software how do i get im trying to learn help pls.
Why would you have your synth eating up that much room in the mix?
I knew electronic music was complicated, but this is just crazy.
For some reason, when I duplicate the thor and attach the copy to the 6:2 mixer, I only hear one thor at a time, not both as you are. How do I fix this?
How do you know how to do this? When I show my friends the things I know, they seem impressed. But, when I see what you can do, I feel like a total n00b..
1:38 - 2:10 WTF bro xD
something is wrong with my eq and compressor , the peak meter doesnt move and it doesnt make a change in my sound. basically it isnt on or connected . i need help please
his voice sounds different when he's not recording a video. In the live stream yesterday he sounded different.
and one more point from experience, i would rather have one or two oscillators, rather than three in unison, this is because multiple waveforms make the mix muddy, rather than dirty, and it is important for distictions in the growl, however, multiple jagged waves at once do not help with that
hey so how do you make Reason like that. Mine only just shows the rack and and doesn't have that side bar that shows where you are in the rack. I have reason 5 also.
I have recently bought reason 6 for my mac, but i was wondering if i need to buy additional items to help me make dubstep such as keyboards, MiDi pads ect. Is this neccessary?
@AktOnInstinkt808 He's using the Record there. But this is pretty much what Reason 6 now looks like, since they combined the two.
I was listening to this with headphones, I take them off for a second, and when I put them back on, you're talking about an evil scientist that wants to manipulate puppies.
Brilliant.
@imthe420guy I was originally going to use orphans.
Excellent tut so far!
Thanks for this, very useful guide
wow, i can't believe it's that complicated.. i now have respect for dubstep producers.. :-D
I find that multi oscillators do a better job(saw wave particularly) or mixed waves 2 on the wavetable with unmodulated pos. i then run them through a scream 4 with mid to high tone, and no pressence. no cut, and a quarter damage, which then is modulated to desired frequency with lfo 2
@morcia17 Puppies are cute animals. Pink is a color. Anything wrong with liking either?
This sounds friggin' amazing!
quick question: I'm using studio one, do you know of any good VST's that could be a substitute for Thor?
I listened to the guy talk for about a minute before i realized that this crap is a lot harder than i originally thought.
I tried making this synth in Reason/Record duo and when I go to duplicate the Thor and wire it up panning one left & one right, I only get sound from the right.
can i have a link to this song please dave?
Reason and FL are basically exactly the same, if you want to be able to make Growls I'd totally use Sytrus as you do already, it's actually a really powerful FM synth when used correctly, I'd recommend checking out a guy called Seamless, his How To Bass series is basically all you need to know about making bass synths..
Does anyone have a link for the patch? It's not that I'm a lazy little shit, but I'm a lazy little shit.
hey dave used the cerberuss synth on a dnb track (sounds pritty good) check it out if you have the time .... did post video response but cant see it there (not sure how all this works yet lol)
ok, at first. i thought i was learning how to make some sick dubstep.... turns out, all that made me feel stupid! im not afraid to admit that that was WAY over my head.
i expect the best for you to come, i wish someday ill have time to sample your voice and usit in my tracks...just before the drop
"you can get 50 percent of my revenue/profits for my composition you just transformed" aha sick job man, nice robot growlin
that puppy analogy was genius lol
I love his voice.
When I click on the line mixer my effects don't work. What am I doing wrong?
there are some tutorials that explain what you exactly have to do i reckon..... so check those
Will do, thanks man. I'll check him out soonist.
so i may be a noob for asking this. but how do you actually make sound with the thor? i can only get the option to make sound if i add a nn-xt or something like that. or even better, how would i record my guitar in this? (like in your vid where your play dubstep with your guitar) i cant get it to work. help would be very nice. thanks
He says in the description he used Record 1.5 but you can use propellerhead reason 4 or 5
Dear dave.
will a slide make the bass tone sound better?
asking Theoraticlly