Are Dinosaurs in the Bible? | The Creation Podcast: Episode 26
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- If the Bible is true, wouldn't it mention dinosaurs? If God made dinosaurs, when did He make them? Did they live with humans? What ultimately happened to them?
If you've ever wondered about dinosaurs and the Bible, you'll want to join us for this episode of The Creation Podcast. Host Ivana Semidey and ICR paleobiochemist Dr. Brian Thomas search Scripture for the answers, while fossil evidence provides additional insight.
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Love the interview. I'm a black and white kind of thinker and either the whole Bible is true or none of it is. I believe it is all true. I have a Biblical Worldview and try to see everything through the scriptures. As Ken Ham says, put on your biblical glasses.
Put on your biblical glasses. Are they like Zaphod Beeblebrox's shades?
Love hearing the science that confirms Scripture.
The "fiery serpents" mentioned in Numbers 21 were probably a type of small dragon, or dinosaur that could spit fire by some biochemical process in its body.
Fiery serpents is the ancient way of saying venomous snakes. Their venom burns when it hits the bloodstream, nothing to do with breathing fire.
@@Desertflower743 : Unfortunately, we can't interview Moses and ask him what he meant when he wrote about "fiery serpents". I personally choose to stick with my opinion of a small dragon, because it makes sense. I can ask God about it when I meet him someday.
@@Desertflower743exactly what I was about to post
@lindseydisney2556 - Interpreting *"the fiery serpents"* as: *"the venomous snakes" (Num. 21:6)* seems the most valid. Usually the Hebrew word NEKHA-SHIM refers to legless “SNAKES.” When the snakes bit the PEOPLE, THEY died b/c of the snakes' VENOM (poison). A SNAKE on a POLE being lifted up seems to picture more of what Yeshua said about the Son of Man being lifted up (Jn. 3:14). - Though (Isa. 14:29) is figurative [the snake, a viper & a SARAPH refer to kings], the picture could relate actual events. It could literally say: *"... out of the root of the snake a viper will go out, & its offspring [will be] a FLYING (darting) POISONOUS SNAKE (שָרָף)."*
I'll also consider your interpretation a possibility. The Hebrew word NA-KHASH may mean: "a SERPENT (snake)" &/OR "a dragon" (Job. 26:12-13; Isa. 27:1). So the Hebrew literally says that God sent among the people *"the burning snakes"* or *"the snakes who burn [with fire]"* or *"the dragons who burn [with fire]" (Num. 21:6, 8).* They could have also bit the people so that they died. So maybe the Yisraelites put a bronze fiery dragon on a sign [post] (נֵס: flag, banner, sign), BEAM [piece of wood] (Epistle of Barn. 12:6-7) or a [wooden] POLE (Num. 21:8 KJV) instead. Those are some of its most obvious & common meanings along with something similar (i.e. “a sail [for a ship], target [for an arrow], etc.). - At (Isa. 14:29), it literally says: *"... out of the root of the snake a viper will go out, & its offspring [will be] a flying FIERY DRAGON (SARAPH: שָרָף)."* This literal meaning may be meant since the Hebrew word MEDAL-LEG (מְדַלֵּג) is a better word for: "JUMPING (leaping, darting)." - Because animals get hunted to extinction, sometimes words for a particular animal or statements about them can get re-interpreted. Translators are divided on if the pertinent words mean: "a flying fiery dragon" (CEV), "a darting venomous snake" (Cf: NIV, ISV), "a COCKATRICE (basilisk) which flies" (Syr.) or "FLYING (darting) serpents" (Greek, Tgm). If we interpret the words as: "a flying fiery serpent" (KJV, ESV, ASV, etc.) - it gives room for both meanings.
@@TheHenok30 : I appreciate your fair take on the interpretation.
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Also, why on earth would humans even live near dinosaurs! even if they lived in similar biomes, they would live far apart.
I mean humans still do that today. Not with dinosaurs obviously but with the natural habitats of animals, as the human population expands and they need more room for housing and other crucial infrastructure. Humans also aren't really afraid of such things since they know they can figure out a way to hunt it or drive it away if it becomes too much of a problem. So in other words even if humans did start by living away from dinosaurs, no doubt a combination of spreading human populations and the climate changing the dinosaurs habitat would eventually see them both crossing paths. At least that's my take on it.
Another point to consider. Estimated one billion population or so perished. Why no bones/ If buried at teh top layers of strata they would be most exposed to destruction over even a brief period of sever thousand years.
Job 40: 15-24 sealed it for me many years ago as well. (Adrian Rogers has a good, old sermon on it.) Not only is the hippopotamus thing pretty inaccurate, but the book of Job, we believe, is also the oldest book contained within the Bible. So, it really fits in every way in light of the flood.
It fits with the flood.. for which there is no evidence.
well done!
the issue of dinosaurs is not important that issue is omitted in the bible because dinosaurs or that time has nothing to do with God's plan of Salvation.
What?
That issue was not omitted in the Bible, it was addressed in Genesis and other scripture: God created all things.
I believed the billion year theory for all my life, till I started watching the ICR podcasts. This is a revolution in thinking.
Answers in Genesis changed my mind. I hadn't thought all that much about it until I started watching their materials.
A trip to the Ark encounter is worth the trip. Also, try the documentary "is genesis history" good stuff.
@@guylelanglois6642 watched Is Genesis History. I agree, it's excellent. I would love to take my family to the Ark Encounter, but money is an issue, as always. 🤷
@engmed4400 I was able to take my wife and grandkids last year. Spent a week at the Ark and Creation Museum. Really want to do it again. It was so worth it.
Oh dear.
Yeah, they are in there.
better than Diploducus matches the Iguanodon: "Strings r entangled", "gave it a sword" (the thunb thorns as weapon).
If we look and see the rocky formations, if we carefully look around, we see whirls in the desert, waves in stone, mineralized mud, human bones in the cretageos layers, and in the coal (which is the carbon). Also artifacts like the pewter mug found in a coal mine.
Iguanadon never existed. The reconstructions of bones was made from more than one type of animal. They removed the name from modern texts.
have u any link to the issue of non-existing Iguanodon? Ur aspect is new to me.@@painmt651
Brilliant. God bless you
The Bible describes Leviathan as fire breathing and as a dragon,
"In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea."
It seems pretty open and shut to me.
He appears to be less than convinced about some things! Not, imho, the most inspiring of speakers!
Don't be so critical. Maybe he is a little uncomfortable speaking in an interview.
I really like Brian Thomas. He is a great researcher and speaker and writer. I always enjoy hearing him and reading his articles.
I really enjoy his pace and his manner and his voice timbre. I especially enjoy learning all this cool information from him!!
He's probably thinking "are they really going to pay me for these lies?"
@@angelalewis3645so his pace, his manner and his voice timbre somehow compensate for his bs? As Dirty Harry once said "Yer mouthwash ain't makin' it!'
Right on brother God bless you
Amen. God is soooooo awesome!!!
Content excellent, but hard on the ears due to so many annoying "mmm" grunts by the hostess.
I didn't hear her do that.
@@wms72 I did.
Because she like all thiests believe everything there told about religion instead if accually thinking about it..my first question would be regards the food would be where did all the water go ..where did everyone find fresh flood ...unless they ate eachother ? ..etc etc etc
Did he say tha❤nk god we dont live with monsters anymore regards dinosaurs ?? I thought god made those monsters ...
@@CarlosSanchez-dv1ew "theists" not "thiests" & "they're" not "there". And the obvious answer to your first question is that the water went where any old-age evolutionist would expect it to go when mountains were formed under it. That's how old-age evolutionists explain marine fossils on mountains.
I'm Jewish and religious. And I think Dr Brian Thomas is really cool.
I was thinking that the gigantic most fierce dinosaurs would probly be some of the animals that the fallen angels messed with and became bigger than intended to be like giants. Is there any reason why that could not be?
because angels have no creative powers. they are created beings
@@ianmonk6211 corrupting the human and animal genome does not require creative powers, only the ability to corrupt the genome.
The fallen ones wouldn't be creating something new, they'd be mixing what God already created but never intended to be mixed.
I assume you don't believe Enochs account like the author of Jude did, or the account of Jasher like the authors of the books of Joshua and 2 Samuel did?
If scientist today can mess with the human genome today to produce certain characteristics, how much more would fallen angels have been able to mess with it?
And if scientist over a decade ago could clone and mess with the animal genome, how much more could the fallen ones have done it?
One can also take note of how the angels who met Lot appeared to be men. They ate and drank and washed their feet. So they had human body parts, and a working digestive system, why not a working reproductive system? Of course they were not supposed to use the human form to corrupt anything and the angels in the account of Lot didn't but it sure sounds like the fallen angels in the Genesis account did.
@@lluuiiss3344 believe what you want. corruption in the DNA only causes loss of info. so nothing new is created. and demons have no creative abilities.
Is there any way that could not be? Fallen Angels? What childish nonsense are you spouting? Dinosaurs existed in a time before humans were so populous. Just like herds of giraffe and elephants today, large dinosaurs kept down the overgrowth of bushes, trees and grasses etc in their passage so the land was not overwhelmed by thickets and weeds. Carnivorous large dinosaurs kept down the overpopulation of other smaller dinosaurs. Giant people are an anomaly and exist today just as they did before the flood and have nothing to do with fallen angels. The giants (nephelim is the Hebrew word for giants) that “were on the earth in those days” just refers to large dinosaurs, not people or fallen angels. Dinosaurs made it through the flood because they were saved on the ark along with the other saved animal specimens. The Bible is a book of fact, it’s not a book of fairy tales. It often uses metaphor and colourful language to explain things as that was the way they told stories in those days, every word is not always literal. Hope this helps you to rethink your comments and to endeavour to try and understand the meaning of stories in the Bible in the future.
Read up on the Gap Theory. I recommend Dr. Gene Kim and his sermons/lectures here on TH-cam.
Job 40:15
"Behold now the Behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle."
Job 40:16
"Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly."
Job 40:17
"His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his testicles are knit together."
Job 40:18
"His limbs are strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron."
Job 40:19
"His is the first of God's ways; [only] his Maker can draw His sword [against him]."
Job 40:20
"For the mountains bear food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there."
Job 40:21
"Under the shadows he lies, in the covert of reeds and swamp."
Job 40:22
"The shadows cover his shadow. The willows of the brook surround him."
Job 40:23
"Behold, he plunders the river, and [he] does not harden; he trusts that he will draw the Jordan into his mouth."
Job 40:24
"With His eyes He will take him; with snares He will puncture his nostrils."
This describes an animal that Job would've known about, and which he could observe in the wild. The text uses a lot of literary devices that are open to interpretation, but whose meanings can be properly extracted. Beyond the surface level reading of the text, I believe lies a prophecy, in which the animal actually represents a mighty nation that would emerge in Job's future (our past, by now), and the same would apply to Leviathan. Both descriptions include language that is suggestive of warfare and armies. Behemoth is constantly described as a virile beast, implying a huge nation. To suggest that this is describing a dinosaur, in my opinion, isn't just nonsensical, but highly fantastical. The text is quite clearly talking about a type of water buffalo that lived in and around the mountainous regions and swamp lands of the Euphrates drainage basin; most likely Bubalus bubalis. I think that anyone who objects to this is ill-informed and is really just looking for ways to insert Dinosauria into the Bible somehow. The bull was used in many religions as a symbol of power, but it probably pertains to the Persian Empire. They waged their wars against the Romans (Leviathan) for centuries, and the borders of their empires ran along the Euphrates river area. Then, at a point in time, "the Sword of God" destroyed and tamed the Persian Empire. This seems to refer to the sudden emergence of Islam, and specifically to a famous general who fought the Persians and defeated their armies.. along the Euphrates river system. So while Christians are forever playing these childish games trying to guess what the Behemoth was; "Was it a dragon? Was it a Brontosaurus? Was it a Kaiju?", within the text is actually a potential prophecy about Islam. I know that sounds absurd, but upon closer examination, I'm fairly confident about that. The Jews have said for many centuries that Behemoth (plural) are bulls. It's in their exegeses. If you only bothered to actually study this stuff, but Christians dismiss Jewish input, as if these scriptures have no relation to them. And of course, in our Islamic tafseer, it was said that the name of the Golden Cow, which was worshipped by the Israelites after the Exodus, was Bahmut.
African Elephants make a bit more sense to be behemoth because they are much larger, but also can swim with their mouth open while breathing through their trunk. That behavior is referenced in Job and its very specific to them.
Great content! Observable biology verifies scripture and defies darwinism.
I believe that the Genesis description of giants doesn't refer to nephilim.
But dinosaur.
Cause we all know that they were here at one time.
Before man.
It can't be explained away.
That is precisely the correct observation. You nailed it! However, the word nephelim does also refer to large dinosaurs, it is actually just the Hebrew word for giant. People do unfortunately attribute the word with all sorts of silly or magical meanings, but it just means giants and it referred to dinosaurs. Genesis 6:4 KJV “There were giants in the earth in those days, and after that ” is referring to the dinosaurs who existed on the earth both before the flood and after it. They too were saved on Noah’s ark.
Wrong.. man walked with dinosaurs which the name was given in the 1800's, but before that they were called dragons. There are a few great documentaries on the topic. There's way too much evidence to list here.
I stick by what I said after being a Bible scholar for over 40 years.
The men of renown.
Men of old were ofcourse caveman.
Before ADAM.
Or the garden of Eden.
It's in Genesis if you read it correctly.
Humans today are not from cavemen.
But from ADAM.
We according to Genesis are the true representation of God himself because he gave us a living soul.
The people before ADAM didn't have a soul.
Because God himself said
My spirit shall not strive with man forever.
Therefore his life is 120 years.
Got to put the pictures in place.
Then you understand what it's telling you.
@@Desertflower743that doesn’t hold up to examination. In Joshua, when they spied out the promised land, they referred to the people of the Promise Land, as being giant, and themselves as being grasshoppers in their eyes…. Giant PEOPLE
@@jerrystcokair8064Adam was the FIRST man (human)!
Leviathan in Job 41 appears most like a crocodile. Leviathan in Isaiah 27:1 brings in serpentine aspects. However, in Isaiah 65-66, in the context of the New Earth, Isaiah mentions wolf, lion, lamb and snake, but nothing of dinosaurs. This is consistent with the worldview of the biblical writers, which involved them portraying the state of creation at the time of writing, and a restoration of creation at the end of time greatly corresponding to existing phenomena, but perfected, beautified and immeasurably improved. It is believed that Moses wrote Job, which corresponds to the patriarchal period of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which Moses describes in great detail in Genesis 11-50, but without any mention whatsoever of dinosaurs. It is simpler to understand from the text that Moses, with his Egyptian background, based Behemoth and Leviathan on creatures that he was familiar with in Egypt, that is, Hippopotamus/Elephant and Crocodile, even if the former two were notable in other African countries. The stylish language that Moses uses in Job 40 & 41 allows peoples in different parts of the Earth to match Behemoth and Leviathan to large, powerful creatures in similar economic niches in their areas of the globe and, being tutored in Egyptian learning, Moses may also have included hints of large creatures that did not survive the Flood. Due to their colossal size and gargantuan appetites, dinosaurs were ecologically, environmentally unsustainable, or God would have preserved them in the Flood. Some may view this as indicative of the deteriorated Earth conditions toward and after the Flood, while others may attribute the condition and demise of dinosaurs to abuse of human dominion over the Earth. Unlike lion, wolf, lamb, and even snake, dinosaurs are not part of the biblical prophetic vision of a restored, renewed creation on Earth. This may in part have to do with the problem of how nature would accommodate such gigantic, ravenous creatures, which, in numbers, would eat up whole forests, and whole animal populations, in short periods of time. G-d bless!
Who believes Moses wrote Job??? Nobody I have ever met, or heard of, beside yourself. Job is the oldest book in the Old Testament.
@@painmt651 A good number of thoughtful students of the Bible consider Moses to be the author of Job, believing that he wrote it in Midian before he wrote the Pentateuch. Of the five books of the Pentateuch, according to the internal evidence, only Genesis, or parts of Genesis, could have been written before the Exodus. However, the Jacob and Joseph stories, particularly in their latter parts, anticipate the Exodus, and Exodus 1 appears to continue from where Genesis 50 left off. Furthermore, it is the practice of scholars to view the Pentateuch as a unified, five-volumed whole, because of such internal linkages. Job does not have the same direct linkages to the books of the Pentateuch, but has such striking linkages as cosmological interest in Job 1 & 2 (cf. Genesis 1 & 2), and patriarchal setting, such as in Job 1, 2, & Job 42 (cf. The accounts of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, in Genesis 11-50), that it is not difficult to conclude that Job came from the same literary hand as the author of the Pentateuch, but was probably written before the Pentateuch, while Moses was still exiled from Egypt in Midian. There is also a focus on the tempter, the adversary, or Satan, in both Job 1 & 2 and in Genesis 3, and the extended hamartiological discussion and focus, in Job, harmonizes well with the hamartiological focus of Genesis 3-5, 6-9, and beyond, as well as with the hamartiological content of the rest of the Pentateuch. It is also striking that, in both Genesis 1-3 and Job 1-2, life is happy and perfect for the persons described, until disharmony and death is wrought by the Satan. Such close parallels in literature are not convincingly attributable to accident, and form part of somewhat overwhelming evidence, either for unity of author of Job, Genesis, and the whole Pentateuch, or for authorial dependence pertaining to Job and Genesis, and the rest of the Pentateuch. Job is also notable for some imagery that reflects Egyptian settings, culture and practices. G-d bless!
Job was written before Moses.
Leviathan could most likely be a huge alligator (sea gator) and if still around would be able to hide in caves deep in the Marianna trench.
No, because a sea gator is hardly "the chief of God's creatures."
Leviathan means a huge and remarkable oversized creature bigger than all other creatures. That’s not the description of a crocodile.
Livyaṭan (Leviathan) can literally be defined as: “a wreathed animal” - from the noun LIV-YAH "wreath." Or “a serpent with joined scales [as wreathed]" - from the verb LAVAH "it was joined." It hence means: "a LARGE [SERPENT-LIKE] SEA MONSTER (Dragon, Serpent, Snake)." At (Psalms 74:13-14), it's a multi-headed sea SERPENT (snake) that is killed by God and given as food. At (Isaiah 27:1), Leviathan is called a SERPENT (NA-KHASH) & a DRAGON (TAN-NIN) that will be slain by God. Metaphorically, the Dragon refers to the ACCUSER (Slanderer, Devil) & the SATAN [Enemy] (Cf: Rev. 12:7, 9). It’s also a symbol of BAḄEL (Babylon) &/or Yisrael’s enemies. The Dragon is called: "RAHAḄ (Proud, Boaster)" & represents Egypt (Isa. 51:9). Also, the DRAGON in the rivers of Egypt was probably "an alligator or crocodile" (Ezek. 29:3). At (Job 41:1), it is a large sea monster. Maybe it can also refer to a T-Rex (Joḅ 3:8). Livyaṭan is the King over all THE PROUD ANIMALS/CREATURES [Lit. “the CHILDREN (offspring) of pride”] (Joḅ 41:1, 34).
When it comes to social pressure, read the book "ordinary men". Peer pressure at its worst.
If your a Cristian then believe the truth biblical truth disregard all others.
Great talk and truth was given
when the word “dinosaurs”started ?
Instead of trying to prove dinosaurs were among us within the biblical timeline I simply disregard it, if you have to find proof for everything in the Bible, then that is contrary to faith and faith is the eternal principle by which we become children of the Eternal Sovereign of all that was, is and yet shall be, furthermore anyone claiming to have faith and a strong knowledge of divine precepts but also saying the Bible is all true and infallible lacks wisdom. The parable of the wheat and tares can apply to the Bible, Old Testament has been modified and redacted, summarised for example the Old Testament refers to the Complete Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and same of the Kings of Israel, Book of the wars of the Lord (missing), Books of Gad and Nathan the Kings prophets, a few of Paul’s letters are highly suspected as being forgeries and it is well know that that the Catholic Church burnt all biblical writings that didn’t agree with their cannon, finally I will add, the scriptures tell there will be a new heaven and a new earth and I figure if a new earth is in our future or rather if the Eternal Father can destroy this world and build another then who is to say that he hasn’t done so previously and that this earth is not the first one.
There us one train of thought that supposed an earth before current creation which included dinosaurs, etc. That the earth became formless and void of life and then life was re created.
Did sea creatures come to the Ark too?
Yes they are in the bible
The real question is why was there a worldwide flood in the first place? Here's what God says in Genesis 6. 7: So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created-and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground-for I regret that I have made them.”
I can understand wiping out humans. I've felt that way a few times myself. But what did the animals do to deserve their fate? Animals, other than humans, are innocent. They never ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. They don't sin, they don't disobey God, they don't lie, cheat, steal, commit murder, defraud other animals, etc. They just go about their business exactly as God made them.
Dr Michael S. Heiser is a good person to check the videos on, who explains this (the answers are all in the Bible). But to put it simply, the fallen angles messed with and corrupted the DNA of both pre flood humans and animals. When you get to Noah, he was one of the few people left which was actually fully human, him being saved wasn't just because he wasn't as bad as the others on the planet. So God saves the last of the human race, along with the last of the animals that hadn't been corrupted yet.
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Who created the angels? What made them "fall"? And where in the Bible does it mention DNA?
@@peskyfervid6515 God created them and some of the angels fell with the satan. God actually told some of them to look after humanity, but they set themselves as Gods to be worshipped and badly mistreated the people in their care.
I was giving a very simplified overview of what the Bible says, of course it doesn't have the word DNA as that is a relatively recent term. But what it does talk about is the seed of humans and animals, mating different animals together and living creatures being corrupted.
If you want to know more, I encourage you to check out the work of Dr Heiser (there are lots of videos of his lectures on youtube) as he goes into a lot more detail than I can give you in a short youtube reply.
@@peskyfervid6515
God created all the angels. They were called fallen angels because they sided with Lucifer who wanted to exalt himself higher than God. The Bible doesn't physically mention the term DNA.
From reading Genesis in conjunction the book of Enoch. It appears that the evil seed was sown by the 'Sons of God' when they came into the daughters of men. The resultant mutations were Giants. There is no such thing as aliens. The word of God is catagorical on that issue. Nowhere have beings from another planet ever been mentioned in scripture and we believe we have a full representation of the nature of creation in that word. There is a spiritual and a physical dimension which meet in Jesus Christ. He explains it. But Aliens No..The conspiracy may though be such that fallen angels will again enter with men in the last days before the days that are like unto the days of Noah. It looks like these days are here with the amount of Genetic modification and pollution affecting the DNA.
The answer to this question revolves around whether or not the 'sons of God' were fallen angels or holy men.
Genesis 6 New American Standard Bible (NASB) The Corruption of Mankind
6 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were [a]beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not [b]strive with man forever, [c]because he also is flesh; [d]nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved [e]in His heart. 7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the [f]sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Verses 1-4 Reveal an interaction in creation between two parties. The first party 'The sons of God' are fallen Angels according to Enoch and the resultant offspring were giants, this we agree with as this is the same as the statement in Genesis 6. If one holds to the authenticity of the book of Enoch it is easy to conclude the nature of the sons of God. Whether we agree or not regarding the nature of the sons of God, the fact remains the offspring were not normal. They were a genetic mutation and this is the point...Why would a combination of the genes of men (albeit holy men 'Sons of God') combined with the genes of the daughters of men, cause the resultant Giants. Enoch tells us that the Giants were so hungry that they devoured the earth. Men were feeding then and when men could not feed them anymore, the Giants turned on the men and devoured them..This may sound like a fairy tail, but it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility of it, especially when Genesis expressly talks about Giants or Nephelim.
CHAPTER VII.
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones. RH Charles
The book of Enoch was recently recovered from the Ethiopian Church which had it as part of its cannon. Jude also quoted it. In this Book Enoch claims that he was the author of writing and that it had been given to him to record the earliest events.
The point I am coming to is this. Verses 5 to 8 of Genesis 6 immediately speak of Judgement on the whole Earth. 'The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the Earth' V.5 It appears that God was wiping a mutation between fallen angels and the daughters of men that was about to devour the whole Earth, namely the giants. Noah and his family were of the original gene pool and were saved..only them. How is then I ask that giants were later found in the old testament..The spies coming back from Canaan said 'We were as grasshoppers before them' and then we have David and Goliath. This raises two points. One, were the 'sons of God' just men of a holy line and therefore the genetics for the giants was in Noah's family , problem solved. But what if Genesis 6 is telling us as Enoch claims that Fallen angels mated with the daughters of MEN. How then did there come to be Giants after the flood ? Not through Noah's line.?
The Book of Enoch is the best, should we say, exposition, of Genesis 6. The flood came to wipe out the genetic strain of the giants and to destroy those who were, should we say, in league with them.
The behemoths is not to be.compared to elephants because God Said no one can stop them, the stomp of their feet bring fear to humans and they cannot be tamed, elephant is not fearful in anyway, they can also be tamed, people buy and sell elephant but behemoth is in no way a trading monster....😮
Thank you for your Biblical teaching. And you're so right, we have to put the Biblical account of the Flood at the centre of our thinking concerning dinosaurs. For a Christian, it is simple. All the great dinosaur fossils were entombed by Noah's worldwide Flood, so that means they WERE alive in Noah's day.
Also, God knew that the world's climate would dramatically change after the Flood, so it is likely that most of the great land dinosaurs would not have been miraculously drawn to the Ark, as the other land creatures were. Being cold-blooded reptiles, they would not have been able to survive the much colder climate after the Flood. So why would God have needed to have them in the Ark? It would have been a waste of time. So, in a very real way, man's sin actually led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.
And the much thinner cloud cover allowed much more damaging solar radiation to come upon the surviving mankind, severley reducing man's lifespan, as we see in the Scripture record.
They were on the ark. Remember, the animals were all likely children when they boarded the ark, for obvious reasons.
There are plenty of post flood stories of dragons that were dinosaurs. They were most certainly hunted to extinction, providing the stories of heroes of old.
Try understanding science before you dismiss it in favour of bronze age myth. It might help
Behemoth in Job 40 can be matched to elephant, which, in numbers, can progressively drink up a seasonal stream with their trunks. Elephants have strength in their fore and back bodies, including their hips, and can stand on their two rear legs to reach higher tree leaves. However, as the passage progresses, the aquatic behavior of Behemoth also matches the Hippopotamus. Behemoth does not have a tail like a cedar, but moves his tail like a cedar swaying in the wind, from side to side.
you're funny
Then it would have been written for it to sway in the wind like a cedar. You're having to jump through a lot of hoops to get your version over what is plainly written.
@@lluuiiss3344 Thank you. Originally, human beings are created to have a joie de vivre (joy of living). Although adversity can mute this, it is also a spiritual, psychological resource for overcoming adversity. God bless!
@@christhewritingjester3164 Thanks for your perspective. We are experiencing a power outage right now, so I will respond in full later during the weekend. It is good to observe people taking the text seriously. God bless!
@@christhewritingjester3164 Some translators prefer to render the Hebrew with a swaying effect. Interestingly, although the Hippopotamus tail is not as long as some simian and feline tails, for example, it uses its shorter, powerful tail as a rudder in the water, and many rudders are still made of cedarwood up to today. A boat or ship rudder, as you are probably aware, is a small device that turns the whole boat or ship (James 3:4), just as a small bit turns a whole horse (James 3:3). Interestingly, the Hippopotamus, this great, mammalian "river horse," with a face like a crocodile, or head like a horse, "eats grass like an ox" (Job 40:15), coming out from the rivers nightly to do so, and returning before or by dawn to its aquatic safe haven. It also runs quite fast for its tonnage. If you visit our continent, remember not to get too close to the hippo, because, apart from their awesome tusks/teeth, they are able, with their powerful, rudder-like tails, to mark their territory by spraying/flinging hippo dung almost two meters around from their bodies. Please note also, that in addition to wolf, lamb, lion and snake in Isaiah 65:25, Isaiah 11:6-9 includes wolf, lamb, leopard, goat, calf, lion, cow, bear, cobra and viper in the eschatological fauna, but no dinosaurs. In Revelation 4:6-9, the four living creatures are lion-like, calf-like, human-like and eagle-like, but there is none like a dinosaur. The dragon-like creature of Revelation 12 is doomed to eternal extinction. Facts such as these in the Bible, entirely excluding dinosaurs from clear mention, contemporary presence, and eschatological continuation, have caused many thoughtful students of the Bible to view dinosaurs as products of the abused dominion of rebellious humans over the lower creation. Such forest devouring, animal population consuming capacities of such hugely oversized reptiles display no transformative value, but only deformative, destructive effects. In regard to the patriarchal nature of Job, the period of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, this is attested to by strong lines of internal biblical evidence. In addition, there is a curious double reference, in Ezekiel 14:14-20, to "Noah, Daniel, and Job," curious because the historical order is Noah, Job and Daniel. Daniel, a contemporary of Ezekiel, lived well over a millennium after Noah. Ezekiel's double inversion of the historical order, in the twiced used formula, "Noah, Daniel, and Job," may involve a didactic, priestly device, alerting less schooled readers to avoid mixing up the patriarchal period of Job with the antediluvian period of most of Noah's life. G-d bless!
You should question me on Biblical Creation. You'd be shocked at the Truth of God in Gen. 1.
If all the dinosaurs died out a few thousand years ago we’d find a lot more fossils. And by the way, carbon dating proves the worlds at least a few hundred of millions of years old, for instance the mineral lead takes about 800 million years to form, the existence of lead disproves the young earth theory. The original Bible never said the world was made 6000 years ago, and Jesus speaks in parables constantly so is it so hard to believe that the creation story was a parable?
Soft tissue in Dino fossils. Carbon dating is based off of assumptions on age from geography (circular logic). If creation is real then all materials were was created not formed. The scientific method requires observable repeatable experiments, none of the “evidence” you provided here is actually evidence it is hypothesis.
Nope.. the T-Rex thighbone that was found not long ago had DNA on it with tissue which should've changed science as we know it but was swept right under the rug. Geo columns have trees in them going through supposed many many years of layers and upside down trees as well. They have ancient Asian pottery with brontosaurus drawn on them.. caves with dinosaurs etched in them.. countless descriptions of men killing dragons/dinosaurs.. search for the good videos on the subject.. I'm sure your opinion will change on the matter if you're honest.
Carbon dating doesn’t prove anything. You can get wildly different dates from different labs from the same item, and even different dates from the SAME LAB…. not to mention the fudge factor… the idea of carbon dating makes many assumptions that are not reasonable.
Carbon dating is a bunch of malarkey! Hopelessly confused!!!🤔🙃😵💫
People living at the same time with dinosaurs? Yes, I saw that on the Flintstones. Other than that, no.
There are cave paintings of possible dinosaurs...
And this is the exactly the level of argumentation against young Earth hypothesis, most of the time. Sad. You don't even want to consider an alternative to what you have been indoctrinated into in middle school.
@@vsevolodtokarev At least he went to middle school. Young earth creationists didn't even do that.
@@HannahsCats-zp6rb I stay corrected. This is a higher lever of discussion. Junior high, to be exact.
Seriously, these days most everyone receives secondary education of some sort; which usually involves translation of scientific myths (which is not a derogatory term; it simply means knowledge which is taken for granted, without ability to challenge it and learn first hand.)
In contrast, these people have scientific credentials; they know what they are speaking about. There are some first-class scientists among them, who made scientific discoveries of things previously unknown, in a repeatable, verifiable, and falsifiable way. They know first hand; when they are mistaken (I noticed quite a few bloopers in this popular science podcast,) the mistakes can be shown in a constructive way. Shouting them down is anything but scientific.
@@billtrumbo1248 the question is did Adamic humans do those paintings or were they done by humanoid/neanderthal beings long before the Adamic race?
That face is priceless :D
No. Next question...
Dr. Thomas is not much of a witness for God's Creation. Ask me, I'd share the Truth of God on this.
@10:20 Job 40 actually describes an animal that could be hidden in the tall grasses and reeds along the marshes edge, see verse 21 and 22
you're not going to hardly hide the dinosaur in tall grass and the word for tail here actually means "flapping appendage," it can mean tail or penis and the reference to Cedar just meant that he had a "woody", verse 16 makes mention of his strength in his loins and his force in his naval and 17 finishes up with the sinews of his testicles etc..
chief of all God's ways just means he made him to reproduce, that he wasn't stagnant as a representative of death.....
depending on what you want the Bible to say I'm sure you could find verses and manipulate them to say what ever you have a mind to.....
maybe we should just let the word of God speak.....
You have a DIRTY mind!😳
The pre adamite world. Remember. God is eternal. Our society is only adam forward. God has had plenty of time for other periods/ creations and endings. 7 days could have represented 7 periods.
Just because you think people will laugh at you does not mean that you are correct. This man is fooling you if he says there is skin on the bones.
Some fossils HAVE been found with skin.
@@angelalewis3645 you can write in capitals but no skin on fossils has been found. preachers might tell you that skin is found on fossils but they are wrong or most likely lying to you
Dinosaurs didn’t exist. We’ll see who’s right in heaven 🤣
The flood story of Noah comes from the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. I would like to believe in "Christianity" but, there were more Israelites following Moses than the population of Egypt at the time. Over three million people in the desert for forty years and a serious lack of archeological evidence. Numerous Saints were raised and we have one line of text mentioning it. The Bible is a witness to Christ and his work of salvation which he began as the first Adam. I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NAB) It is not a history book.
Got anything on Zachariah 11?
The Days of Noah:
The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage:
Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins.
Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO)
So I became the shepherd of the flock to be slaughtered (Zec 11:7 NABO)
In a single month I (overshadowed) the three shepherds (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob). (Zec 11:8 NABO)
Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO)
Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with Judah and Israel (Jacob/Israel/Shining One-Snake). (Zec 11:14 NABO)
In an outburst of wrath, for a moment I hid my face from you; …This is for me like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah should never again deluge the earth; (Isa 54:8-9 NABO)
For as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. (Mat 24:37 NABO)
for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be. (Mat 24:21-22 NABO)
It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since nations began until that time… Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake (Dan 12:1-2 NABO)
"I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth (Gen 6:13 NABO)
There will be waters above the dome of the sky, likely an icy one, that will refract light and there will no longer be night. It will tame the winds as it revolves synchronously with the Earth. All that water, to cover the earth, had to come from somewhere.
The vision of the evenings and the mornings is true, as spoken (Dan 8:26 NABO)
Your covenant with death shall be canceled and your pact with the nether world shall not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes, you shall be trampled down by it. Whenever it passes, it shall take you; morning after morning it shall pass, By day and by night; terror alone shall convey the message. (Isa 28:18-19 NABO)
In the morning you will say, 'Would that it were evening!' and in the evening you will say, 'Would that it were morning!' for the dread that your heart must feel and the sight that your eyes must see. (Deu 28:67 NABO)
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO)
"For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world, Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO)
Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO)
'Who will go down into the abyss (nether world)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO)
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And they counted out my wages, thirty pieces of silver (Zec 11:12 NABO)
This time take the gear of a foolish shepherd. (Zec 11:15 NABO)
For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. (1Co 1:25 NABO)
for power is made perfect in weakness. (2Co 12:9 NABO)
and when he was made perfect, he became the eternal source of salvation for all (Heb 5:9 NABO)
But I am a worm, hardly human, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. (Psa 22:7 NABO)
God sent a worm which attacked the plant, so that it withered. And when the sun arose, God sent a burning east wind; and the sun beat upon Jonah's head till he became faint. Then he asked for death, saying, "I would be better off dead than alive." (Jon 4:7-8 NABO) (Thus begins the way of the lord in the desert)
He grew up like a sapling before him, like a shoot from the parched earth… He was spurned and avoided by men, a man of suffering, accustomed to infirmity (Isa 53:2-3 NABO) (apparently, the worm attacked the shoot also)
You have it backwards!
@@leechjim8023 The Gilgamesh story is older than the Noah story. Look it up. Check out Crecganford. If that is what you mean by backwards. Even it has previous origins.
God didn't make the dinosaurs... Read Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch... The watchers sinned with man and against beast... They mingled their DNA with all of God's creation.. you need to do much more research
I learned this from lectures/sermons from Dr. Gene Kim here on TH-cam. Makes perfect sense.