Behold Now, BEHEMOTH!
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- The book of Job in the Old Testament mentions a rather unique creature that doesn't seem to fit any animal living today. While some commentators point to a hippo or a crocodile, others seem to think that this beast is intentionally mythological.
Host Trey and Dr. Brian Thomas discuss this fascinating creature and more on episode 51 of The Creation Podcast!
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We hear you! We tried something new with the background music and it didn't work. Thanks for your patience as we grow this podcast.
I’m beyond grateful that we have these resources for free. Thank you and God bless you all!
Thank you for dropping the music for future episodes
@lewisedwards4058 It's true, this channel has completely blessed my wife and I since I found it a year ago. I am amazed at the character of every person there, and the quality of the discussions. In this world it's so rare to hear such quality discussions, i pray God places peace in their hearts, and blesses their lives, and the channel. They have a product that is vital in these times, even though there are occasional trolls and bi-pola manic commenter, God is able to grow any seed as He sees the potential.
I like the music in places, but truely the discussion is music to my ears- and I can share the video often!
Jake
Thank you ICR! God bless and protect you 🙏
In that case, I'm happy to subscribe again.
The music is distracting. (No disrespect to the composer of the music - it's actually quite nice. BUT it's only necessary in the first 15 seconds - then it needs to fade out completely.) It's hard to concentrate on the conversation. ICR, please listen to all the people who keep commenting about the distracting music.
Or turn it down a bit more.
I agree that the music is not necessary and is somewhat distracting.
Thanks for the warning. I was going to watch this, but I really can't watch things that have music all throughout. I don't know why they do that.
Sounds like a Trump rally, and aimed at the same folks.
Great episode! I especially loved the theory about the whip-like tail. That must've been absolutely deafening!
I did find the background music a bit distracting though...
Excellant podcast, but please turn the background music off or at least turn the volumn down. It is very distracting.
Thank you for this discussion! Biblical creation is much more than what I read in any secular biology I read!
Wow! The lighting seemed brighter and I really enjoyed that. Dr. Thomas bringing in the models, showing the images, and asking the random science question (plus animation) were excellent additions that should be incorporated when possible. I think the touches of humor lighten the conversation and make it more inviting to listeners and viewers. I love how Dr. Thomas brings together science and solid theology (s it should be). Thank you for being willing to try new things with the podcast. I loved this episode-great job, team!
Thanks for this. It's very frustrating hearing pastors, including prominent pastors, proclaiming that behemoth was a hippopotamus. 😠
Those pastors are compromised or false teachers. Lovers of the world etc.
@@SUPERBACTIONUNIVERSEHERO-wr9zg They might just be blind in this area...
Thank you for the podcast! I hope there will be dinosaurs in the new Heavens and new Earth! God bless you! Maranatha!
This is AWESOME! 😊
Yep
I was gonna say
Pleeeese no music
Big mistake
Thank you so much for helping us grow stronger in Christ and giving us the tools to understand and explain to the seculars and skeptics.
God bless
I agree about the music.
Great video, but the background music makes it hard to focus on the discussion.
It's great to see ICR finally getting onboard with evolution.
I love these podcasts. I learn so much. Why is there distracting music. I cannot even concentrate on what is being said. I love to learn about dinosaurs. Especially the behemoth. It sounds so amazing. I am hoping i will be able to listen and concentrate. To me the music is unnecessary. Please do not start putting music in the podcasts. This is important information. Thank you for all the wonderful research you do.
I was mesmerized by the bee podcast. They are such interesting little creatures. There was no music.
I tried to listen. I just could not. The music would be great for an undersea video with fish swimming around, but not a discussion about dinosaurs. I am going to have to skip this one.
God bless and keep up the good work.
I love how diplodocus is my favourite sauropod and matches well with Behemoth!
Great stuff! Friendly suggestion: he background music can be a bit distracting.
31:00 This whole section makes me wonder if the Amazon rainforest could still hold sauropods that we haven’t discovered. 😆
Hi! Thanks for your great podcast!I really enjoyed this episode and am looking forward to the publication of the paper on behemoth. Could you tell me when it will be published?
Hi guys. Can you please 🙏 stop playing the background music so we all can hear and process what you're discussing? Thanks.
God bless ICR... ✝️👍🤙✌️
Regarding the serpent , how about it punishment “on your belly you will go”
I’m enjoying this topic. I have a comment about the question of the day, the talking serpent in the garden.
If the serpent was the Satan, why curse the serpent to crawl on its belly for its part in the deception? Lets finish the explanation of that question. 😉
According to eyewitness testimony from people in the Congo Sauropod dinos are anything but gentle, in the areas where they live there are no Hippos because they drive them out because they are soo territorial. They kill people who accidently come upon one. When they walk their tail doesn't touch the ground but instead swings from left to right, they also use their tail as a weapon.
Good presentation, but please remember Elihu, Job's youngest friend. He was not included by God with his other friends as anyone who needed to repent or have a sacrifice made for by Job because of his wrong attitudes. Truly, it is not fair to Elihu to lump him in with Job's other misdirected friends.
Elihu spoke things we can trust and learn from. God actually used his speech as a springboard for His own declaration.
Referencing the Random Science Question Of The Day: They describe the Genesis 'serpent' as more crafty as any beast of the field, implying it's a beast. Also, it is cursed to roam the earth on it's belly which we can safely assume Satan is not doing right now. I believe animals and humans can communicate in heaven whether it's actual speech or telepathy, everything in heaven lives in harmony and it said that man had dominion over the animals which implies that the animals could follow orders (also implied in the Noah story when God brought the animals to Noah). My opinion is that it was an actual serpent, inhabited by Satan that talked to Eve and the fact she didn't freak out and run tells me it was a normality. That's my take anyway. Disagree if you like.
The book of job mentions behemoth. . The flood was 3bc , abraham at 2 bc. . Then job. . But job was maybe prior to abraham. . Like 2500 bc. . Their theory is prior to noah. . After reading i thought it could be possible but behemoth was mammoth. . So pre flood. .
This is so incredibly interesting!
Love to hear about dragons and dinosaurs. Very interesting subject and makes God look good since the Bible reveals truth. Oh keep on making more of these videos. Any subject. The are wonderful. Thanks.
I do agree with job 40 as a dinosaur
I appreciated the connections you made to this dinosaur. If you understand that God creation lasted 7 (24 hour) days this is the conclusion you come to in what this beast looked like. I thought that you said this was a Therapod in the pod cast. I understand these to be carnivorous beasts. Sauropods were the vegetarians from my understanding. Am I missing something. Perhaps you said Sauropods but due to the music in the background there is some confusion. Keep it up. These are great presentations. My knowledge of ICR goes back to the early 1970's with the Noah flood book when I lived in Los Angeles.
He does say Sauropod at least that is what comes over on the captions. He says specifically Diplodicus which, according to the stalwart bastion of truth wikipedia, is a Sauropod.
Just 6 days.
I wanted to watch this video but I didn't get very far and had to stop it because of the music. It doesn't bring anything to the discussion and is very distracting.
If the serpent is just the devil, what about the curse of crawling on the belly and striking the heel of man, etc.?
Uhm, Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made." So the serpent was one of the creatures of the garden, but the professor says it wasn't, then in the same breath says he believes the Bible. When one discredits the Bible, he actually discredits himself. I think this explanation should be revisited because I don't think he meant to say what he did.
I think you heard it wrong. The way I heard it, he was suggesting it was no standard generic snake. It was a devil snake. Makes sense to me. But you can believe it was a carpet python if you like. Jake
@@UserRandJ The issue is an inconsistent hermeneutic - he says Job must be interpreted as a real animal, and then says the serpent should not be. But in fairness, he is NOT a theologian, so why ask him this question? Ask him one within his expertise. Then again, I am a theologian, and I'm just going to tell you that it was a real snake that Satan used and in some way both Satan and that snake are involved - but we don't know enough to give more detail. And, by the way, the Revelation reference is almost certainly (the most sure answer you'll get from a theologian 😇), metaphorical. The rest of the podcast - I loved!
@RickJayHenderson RickyJay, real life is full of examples of situations where Satan has carried out a sinister plan. I don't think it matters in Job that the term dinosaur was not used by God- I mean God was talking facts, such as Job 38:31- you can't refute that. But Genesis, you need to recognise the amount of things that were not standard there- Nephalim? I am willing to receive the advice from Genesis. The snake was on a mission. No ordinary snake.
J
@@RickJayHenderson. You don’t know it was a “ real” snake. Being a “theologian” means nothing.
Funny, just a few days ago my atheist brother and his cronies were saying the same thing about being a theologian - all in an attempt to disprove Christianity. Do you want to be in the same camp they are? For clarity, I graduated a Master of Theology, with ninety some credit hours of post graduate work. The Apostle Paul made mention of the importance of extensive study, did he not? Also of proving people - sticking it out for such a long education would seem to qualify - although I am obviously biased here. I grew up in a denomination that downplayed a quality education. I believe this to be a grievous error. As to knowing it was a real snake - in my attempt to consistently interpret the Bible I'm not left with any alternative. @@mchevalier-seawell4438
In Genesis 3: 14-15, the serpent was cursed above all wild animals and livestock to crawl on its belly and eat dust, and it would have offspring. That sounds like an animal, not just a spiritual being.
I agree, kinda skipped over that section of the description, yes the devil was disguised as or in the beast, that's understood, but what creature could it have been before it was cursed.
Likely an original snake that satan entered and spoke through. It possibly gave satan permission, somehow. It apparently had some kind of culpability since it became cursed.
Job.40:21 the word "FENS" in the KING JAMES BIBLE is the Old English word for "SWAMPS". - ☆SUPERB ACTION UNIVERSE HEROIC!
29:10 talking about Dino’s and man and they can’t work out the serpent who was cursed to crawl.
LOL😅😅
Where can I find the white paper that Dr. Thomas is publishing?
If dinosaurs were believed made in Gen. 1, where are they mentioned?
Also, why are there no interactions, between man and them?
Is there an alternate way to say "Bible Study?"
I like to go up to the high dive platform.
A "Bible Dive" perhaps.
I am doing "Canon Balls." 😅
Wilma! Where's my bowling ball?
Got to disagree with changing the word Alph Gimel shin.. to it... the idea is more of he make or he close...
The devil and the serpent are one and the same in Genesis, however, serpent creature was changed due to the curse, the creature before doesn't exist as we know it now - not evolution, but changed because god cursed it to crawl on it's belly, so on and so on (a snake has a pelvis and appendages, called spurs, remnants of before the curse?), the mouth and so on could have been changed due to the curse. The Lord opened the mouth of the donkey and she spoke to Balaam, so animals speaking is something that the Lord can and has allowed. God said what he meant and meant what he said. Compare scripture with scripture, compare the literal and what is being said, you're doing that for behemoth, do the same here. There's more I could say, but I believe that's enough. Great episode!
The music in the background is OBNOXIOUS and distracting and dishonors the message because of it!
@icrscience link to Bibliotheca Sacra article please 🙏 that Brian Thomas, Ph.D. references on Behemoth. I've googled forever and cannot locate, help! 😊
Yes! I want a link to the article, too! I really want to read it!
Mokele-Mbembe from the congo of Africa!
The USA northwest red cedar are bigger then 8 ft..
Theres a verse in isaiah around chapter 14:29 the flying fiery snake. Thw word used is " seraphim " to flutter to and fro. Snakes dont flutter. This is tgerefore a flying reptilian like a pteranodon . Then theres " Tanniyn" mis translated in modern bibles ro hyena
Do be careful. Isaiah was written long after Moses, driven by the Holy Spirit, wrote the Pentateuch. Did the word mean the same thing when he wrote? Is the semantic range wider than the English translation would indicate? Go ahead and talk to a Hebrew expert - hopefully one who is an actual translator. They are generally very open to discussion. There are difficult nuances in all translation - particularly one from a language long dead that was written in for a millennia and a half.
Nobody would ever confuse a flying snake for a pterosaur. But there is an actual gliding snake so that's an option.
Could this thing have been over hunted? Whales are massive but they were almost driven to extinction.
Well who were the dragon slayers? Something I’ve always thought about. What were these dragons?
The Serpent in the garden couldnt have been slimy or sinister before sin. And the serpent was also compared to other beasts of the field. So whatever he could or could not do we will never know. Faith must come into place or it is impossible to please God. God left it that way science and all.
Another comment... how does a gushing roaring Jordan River fit inside the tiny Styrofoam head of a diplodicus? One incongruity.
Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
The sword being spoken of is the Lord's sword not behemoth, only the Lord could make His sword approach his chief creation.
I dont know whats going to happen , I just know it's going to hurt
Yes, please remove the music ... It's distracting, too loud for background, and unnecessary.
I enjoy your podcast, but if the serpent was just Satan why did God curse all snakes if it wasn't actually a snake
Scripture doesn’t say God cursed all snakes. God cursed the serpent.
Amen
The contrast is riveting from Jesus's times when the Devil takes him meet the contemporary Power's to behold?!
We can appreciate God's taking Job to wetlands and deep-seas showing these Monsters only in comparisons behaviours of modern behemoths...
Hebrew of the snake will not allow these guys understanding.
Non inspired version
That’s a great content. You guys could use a little bit more of visual resources, images, models, animations. I believe would enrich so much more.
God bless!
Revelation from God's Word is beautiful buy new translations and reintrepretations are dangerous anyone can misintrepret God's Word can be done by deceivers as well. The KJB doesnt use these words used on these podcasts at all.However i believe the Behemoth to be a Sauropod dragon/dinosaur according to Scripture.
Anyone ever heard of Carbon dating?
Carbon dating is only applicable withing tens of thousands of years, and recent aerial nuclear tests screw it off a big time; one can argue that cataclysmic, extinction-scale event such as large meteoroid impact or supervolcano explosion could have similar invalidating effect on it.
There are, of course, other methods of isotopic dating. But you bring an important point: much of critique of creationism is shallow, knee jerk reaction, based on faith in scientism (not to be confused with science.)
Yes and fossils contain lots of C-14 implying that life is MUCH YOUNGER than 100,000 years.
@@stevesherman1743 Radioactive Dating! Not Carbon
Quick note. The Bible used the term specifically "begotten" in reference to our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus was begotten after the dinosaurs were created.
If Jesus was begotten after the dinosaurs were created, how did God create the world through Jesus?
It is also written that God was alone for the creation. Many times.
Alone.... where is this said?
'Let US make man in OUR image'.
@@julieamos86 the first commandment.
Also, the book of Hebrew
And Isiah 46
The first commandment doesn't mean God was alone. It is a command against idolatry. As is Isaiah 46. The other God's are false and mustn't be worshipped. God alone is God, but he isn't alone, which is why he can use the plural, 'us'.
Blessings and peace.
@@julieamos86 I do not understand why you are picking and choosing how to understand the words.
The first commandment does not read "thou shall have no gods before us."
It reads "thou shall have no gods before me"
Isaiah 46:5 copy and pasted
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To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
Again.
Me.
When I am alone working, I have said to myself "let us do this thing..."
And the book of Hebrews states very clearly that Jesus got what he got through inheritance.
Here is the tricky part.
Jesus Christ, the man, is the only begotten of God.
Adam was not begotten of God, but created.
There is a difference between created and begotten.
And the accounts in the new testament testify to that.
Furthermore... The secret name of God the father is Jesus Christ, who is not Jesus Christ the son.
The son has the same name as the Father, but is not the Father, and is less than the Father...
As the scriptures are written....
God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of man, man is the head of woman.
If Jesus Christ, the man, is God Almighty the Father, and if Jesus Christ the man created the world, because God the Father has to created the world through the man, how does that do any justice to any scripture, or glorify God?
No. It doesn't. The scriptures are very clear that God the Father was alone at creation.
And that Jesus Christ the man was begotten, and earned his inheritance through perfect fulfillment of the laws.
Jesus Christ is the way to God the Father. Amen.
But the man Jesus is NOT God the Father.
I am not looking to argue. But simply to be sure you knew the dangerous trap before you, and the solution, which is scripture.... If you are going to take scripture for fact, then you must take the whole, and not the part.
Please read the bible and pray hard on it.
Beyond that, in regards to this video, I am happy that flawed math logic is being researched.
It affects me little, as I am Christian, and God will make wise men seem fools.
Of course the age is wrong cuz it wont fit the bible narrative.
LMAO! Can we also have evidence of kangeroos please????!! Or even one marsupial will do!!!
As dramatic troll as you seem to enjoy coming across as, there's marsupials in the fossil record in locations beyond Australia, the Kangaroo is not its own animal kind- They come in all shapes & sizes and the same with quols and Tassie Tigers- slightly different but nothing that animal kind can't produce- as you see cats have done in their kind. Anything else melodramatic from you? J
@@UserRandJ So asking questions based on scientific observation is trolling now is it! Get a life!!
Marsupials raise their young in pouches or are you that ignorant. the claim of 'kinds' is a creationists dead end invented to excuse the un deniable!! LMAO
@@UserRandJ
Marsupials live in the western hemisphere, but have NEVER been discovered in the middle east or surrounding areas. This includes the fossils. We both know why that is, you just don't want to admit it.
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The book of Job is included in Wisdom literature know for poetic imagery... the behemoth can reference the constellation, comet, or planetary phenomenon.
Science does not confirm the scripture. You guys are fun though.
Really? In what sense? It certainly doesn't confirm particles to people evolution either. Most guys believe in evolution emotionally, rather than because of facts. But since you want to say it's science, we'll give you a shot. Please enlighten us by giving a single actual fact that exclusively supports the particles to people evolutionary theory (origin or actual addition of information that results in a new species). All three must be true for a fact to prove any theory - it must be a verifiable fact, actually pertain to the theory, and exclusively supportive of that theory. Warning - many who held your position have changed when carefully examining the evidence. Don't do it unless you are really intent on learning the truth!
"You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Really? Can you give me a single example of new genetic information being added? I've been looking closely into this for more than thirty years - and never have had anyone propose a single fact that exclusively supports evolution. And I said "Particles to people". Which is exactly what must happen - if one posits "evolution". I realize your personal value is tied up in your belief in Darwinian evolution, but please just consider the facts. Look at the proposition to its full. I contend there is a spiritual dimension. And there is a creator God who inhabits that dimension. Of course, none of what we say changes what is. I only say this to encourage you to consider what is truth. That truth quote is a quote from Jesus - and he's talking about himself to those who would believe in him. Just inviting you to consider that. @@Jewonastick
@@RickJayHenderson How would you know the truth!? Deluded explains your thinking!!
How would I know the truth? Do you really want to know? I suppose probably not. When one doesn't have actual facts with which to argue one resorts to ad hominem - "Oh yeah? And your stupid!" It didn't really solve anything in junior high, and it won't as an adult. Think! Use your brain. Actually confront those things with which you disagree and find out if you are correct. Then you can be truly sure of what you believe. Wishing you all the best. @@twosheds1749
No offence but Bibliotheca Sacra is about as obscure a Journal as you can get. More people will see this podcast.
Why is it mostly Americans pushing this creation stuff. Whats wrong with these people. Listen how this guy twist stuff to suit suit the bible
THIS IS PROPAGANDA!!!!!!
You are spreading propaganda
J
If you want to be taken seriously, perhaps choose a nickname not having "idiot" in it?
Stop reinterpreting the Bible! KJV is the Word of God
Calm down.
Actually, the KJV wasn't used by the apostles. There are some modern translations that are more accurate.
Did you consider there are other languages than English? Even the ancient Greek, the predominant language of the New Testament, language of philosophers, sometimes lacks the capacity of adequately translating certain difficult places of the Old Testament; not to mention that languages do evolve, and even Shakespearean English (contemporary to KJV) is different from the modern language and can be difficult to comprehend.
Actually the brontosaurus is an exact example of of the behemoth there are other dinosaurs that had legs as big as oaks and a tail like the giant cedar trees.
but cedar trees bible is talking about are lebanese cedar trees
which are not giant, and bible does not say anything about size of cedar trees, it just says that its tail would sway like cedar tree.
just how elephants sway their tails
How can enything last 3 million years in the earth it just doesent add up