They should absolutely use the 'separate version fighting for its own life' story idea to bring back Matrix/Supergirl! I also like the idea of a non-evil "gothy uninhibited" version of Kara that can occasionally pop up as a foil for the original.
Dark Supergirl would sometimes manifest as the dominant personality for awhile after her initial story in the Post-Crisis continuity. Over time she became less malicious and more bratty. Dr. Fate (being a doctor in psychology) eventually diagnosed the Dark Supergirl personality as a manifestation of Kara's survivor's guilt. This, incidentally, gives her the same status as another Silver/Bronze Age Supergirl villain, Nightflame. The potential character progression is laid out, just waiting for a new writer to pick it up.
I like this idea but a question? How can you have all these people with supermans powers but not bring back matrix,she part of supermans allies and was considered family the same way connor was?
I can see an alternate version of Satan Girl's original story where, instead of trying to extend her life, she's just determined to live up what little time she has, so that Supergirl and the Legion see reports of her at nightclubs dancing with Lotsa guys, drinking heavily, and basically being an out-of-control Wild Child!🤣
This would make for a very short story. Whooping it up at a Nightclub, while obnoxious, is not illegal. At worst, the Legion could scold her, giving a severe talking to she’d never forget! At best, a certain Rick James tune would come back into circulation in the 30th Century.
oh it’s my most very favorite topic of all: Supergirl! also Satan Girl is a further reiteration of how much Supergirl’s rogues gallery is made up of dark doubles and reflections, which is a ripe source of analysis.
I think the idea of a Supergirl time duplicate just doing a wild deadly gambit to live is actually neat. I'd imagine if you told the story from Satan Girl's side it could be a tearjerker. She doesn't want to hurt her friends, hurt her pets...but she also wants to live even though that's probably not what anyone wants. Nobody's gonna be holding vigils for Red K Kara. She's not her friend's friend she's a temporary problem that'll solve itself to them. In that way, her plan being so...deadly and antisocial does make some sense, if you imagine her alone in space thinking about all these things.
I remember drawing the correlation between the Black K in the comics with the Black K in Smallville, but I also imagined it was further related to the artificial K from Superman 3. In fact, as I recall, the Black K of Smallville was created in an almost identical way to the the artificial K from S3. So, in my head canon, every time you try to make artificial K and don't get the formula quite right, you end up with something that splits super-powered Kryptonians into two "good" and "evil" doppelgangers.
Out of everything discussed, despite being a big LSH fan, I'm way more intrigued by the thought of a bunch of mini-Karas coming together Voltron style to form a big Kara. Also, it would have been hilarious to see goth Kara attempt to color her hair black only to discover her invulnerable hair is impervious to L'Oreal.
Even in the 1960's 'satan' was essentially forbidden to say in public, not because it's "invoking" anything, the way nowadays people avoid saying Voldemort, but because it would encourage that kind of magical thinking. That was the whole point of satanISM, it's not about TALKING about the deceiver, it's about this reductive thinking in CALLING him "Satan", because that is ACTUAL blind faith the same way religious blasphemy lets children die of treateable illnesses. THAT is what offends Christians. The transition from "saturn" to "satan" is entirely straightforward. In the 1960's it wouldn't have meant ANYTHING more than "diabolical" today, and the name origin of saturn, satyr, and satan are all the same thing. The REASON it is religiously offensive, is the fact that it presents the deceiver in this false "this is what christians ACTUALLY believe" kind of public smear campaign way. When in reality, you ahve seen the businesses, that have been burned down in riots. Christians would call that "satanism" or "paganism" because it IS this notion of corrupting secularism into a cavalcade of witch hunts. ANYBODY should call it diabolical, or any other words that you can still use, before revisionists smear that word as well. The same people who would decriminalize delibarate spreading of HIV, and call it "I'm just being diabolical, a little cheeky rascal, and I'm proud of it" as they ruin lives. -_-__-_- Keeping the name "satan girl" seems to be a deliberate decision to use it CORRECTLY, no different than naming her after ANY of the apocryphical deity names like Kronos or Hades, like "satan" actually is. The biblical mentions are that kind of English translations, just words that have weird English origins because the language is so irrationally spoken. Satan and angels are not CHARACTERS in the bible, that is secular pop mythology the same way Sauron was not an ACTUAL giant falming eyeball in LotR BOOKS. That is "secular" world being WAY MORE RELIGIOUS than Christians, and they ACTUALLY believe that we need a crusade against JK Rowling. THAT IS LITERALLY why Harry Potter is satanIC, because now when you allow magical thinking, the mob rule is ostracizing people who play the new video game online. Satanism is not this projected simple radicalism, by the regressive radicals who ACTUALLY believe that witch hunts and zero medical intervention are a good idea. In the church that is a CONTENTIOUS idea, but outside of the church it is smeared as the Christian mainstream, when in reality it is the NON-christ-like mainstream, promoted by all the radically atheistic governments like USSR. The trend to un-person individuals has been anti-christian atheistic, since the church abandoned it after the middle ages.
Satan girl gives me Batgirl from Zero Hour vibes. "It's weird hearing that I don't belong... That I am from an alternate timeline. But I have a life... feelings and memories, as real as any of you! All I want to do is live"
I had an epiphany about the Legion a few years ago. Reading their early 60s exploits I noticed that the kids behaved very much the way that the Fawcett Marvel family acted. Then I learned that Otto Binder created all those characters and started thinking about the Legion as the Legion of Marvel Family Heroes. That will never catch on . With anyone.
Come to think of it, the Legions criteria for keeping Lana out seems…..sketchy. Not born with powers? Created artificially? What about Invisible Kid or Giant Boy? Weren’t they ordinary Earth teens who took serums to have those abilities? Sorry, Lana. Kids can be so cruel! And, yes, that’s my shameless nudge for future Legion Video(s). Was going to suggest a history of Nightwing and Flamebird, but I’m sure the idea list is already growing faster than a red virus. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink!
The difference with Lana is that her device could be taken away or broken. Invisible Kid took a serum which permanently gave him powers. Colossal Boy also got permanent superpowers (not from a serum). Bouncing Boy also drank something that gave him permanent superpowers. It's not really being "born with" powers that is the issue. It's the whole "you have a gadget which might stop working leaving you powerless suddenly" that was the issue. The Legion didn't want unreliable heroes. That's why they rejected Storm Boy among others.
The reveal of the duplicate Supergirl on this story somehow reminds me of the ending of the novel "Who Censored Roger Rabbit" (Which was very different from the film version "Who Framed Roger Rabbit") where the murders involved a doppleganger of Roger who only lives for 48 hours.
In Alan Moore's Supreme the Supergirl character Suprema actually fights a Satan Girl type character. She was actually much more simple and she was just a demon girl villain for Suprema. Jim Mooney worked on the issue as well. She was written in such an easy way you wonder why this wasn't always the case for Satan Girl. Maybe Enchantress was some inspiration for that character. It is fascinating that Satan Girl inspired so much for decades.
Bravo! No one delivers melodramatic (albeit blunt: "Hope we can cure you, try not to die." LOL) lines from the Silver Age as you do! I love your performance! Thanks for exploring and examining these deep-cut stories about obscure characters. Because of your brilliant work, these stories are being introduced to new fans rather than being forgotten. 🥰
They really didn't need the lead-lined suit to explain the immunity to green K. I'm sure I remember something in the continuity during the Silver Age that Kryptonians under the temporary influence of red K wouldn't be further affected by any form of kryptonite until the random effects wire off. Sticks in my mind that Kal even took (inadvertent?) advantage of this to keep his identity secret (Oh, Clark's holding a chunk of green K without flinching; guess he can't be Superman after all).
Now I want Black Kryptonite Supergirl to fight Pre-Crisis Satan Girl for the bragging rights for most evil Supergirl. Edit: I just remembered why Satan Girl's costume felt a little similar. A lead lined, full cowled enemy of Supergirl - She's the inspiration for the Lucy Lane Superwoman (ok probably not, but its fun to think about).
Star Wars #50 by Marvel Comics circa 1981 involved the Rebel Alliance finding an Imperial derelict full of dead officers and crew. They had all turned red. They dubbed the plague "The Crimson Forever". Luke contracted the disease which turned his eyes bright red. It was up to Leia, Chewie, and the droids to find a cure.
And once again I am reminded not only that I used to own a lot of those old collected Legion stories once upon a time, but that Peter David, being a genius, once wrote arguably the best version of Supergirl using the modern version of the Legion's pet Proty the Protoplasm (after someone else reintroduced it back into Superman continuity to be the post-Crisis Supergirl -- Byrne maybe?)
I’ve never heard of this character before, but all it took for me to figure out it was an evil Supergirl was the name and the lead-lined mask. The hints are all there, you just can’t put them together without understanding the name. Satan means - the one who opposes, the opposer (i.e. the opposite of). No knock against you personally CC, but it’s kinda sad that so little is known today about the most printed book in history that we can no longer understand children’s books that are less then 100 years old.
Jimmy´s transformations was referenced again in SUPERMAN VS LOBO. I, personally, love when things from the past are brought back again. Be it as they were, making it better or just takinc concepts from the original and doing a new thing.
This vid had everything! The Legion, Transforming Jimmy Olsen, the Super-Pets, Red and Black Kryptonite, unpronounceable names (Stanicule Gyrstress???) ... Super-fun! I was wondering how they would play Satan Girl, since it was a Silver Age story and satanic creatures were no-no's under the Comics Code. Oh wait, there was Harvey Comic's Hot Stuff the Little Devil. How did you get by the Code, Hot Stuff?
They were probably able to get away with it because of the lack of other references to religion, same as this story. Aside from the names, there’s nothing religious about this story or Hot Stuff.
Harvey's other big characters included a literal witch and more than a few lost souls. Their rep for being wholesome kids' fare was already so well-established the CCA knew better than to tackle them about any of it. They'd have looked like idiots if they'd even tried. Well, more like idiots.
I have to say I really like Satan Girl's Silver Age costume, and I wouldn't mind seeing her return from time to time if they can come up with a good excuse for her to return.
Another interesting and informative Supergirl episode 👍🏾👍🏾 The OG Satan Girl seems like the coolest version and her twisted idea of fighting to live her own life gives me an Awesome idea for my own character❤❤❤
THANK YOU, SASHA! Finally, some full-on Legion content! (Okay, it's more about Supergirl with a side-dish of the Legion, but still.) About the comment at 10:53 about Mon-El not being there to be hurt by all the lead, that's actually not a problem, as Mon-El was taking an Anti-Lead serum invented by Brainy to allow him to function normally. This is not remotely my favourite Legion story. Having said that, I see why it worked for the purposes of this video. I hope you do more Legion content in the future! Closing Comment: Love the fact that you took on a red hair and make-up theme, no doubt to run with the theme of the story (the girl Legionnaires having a crimson virus).
My favorite boys vs girls Legion story is Adventure 368, when a female alien ambassador amplifies the girls' powers and turns them against the boys (by dousing statuettes of them with radiation???). But Supergirl saves the day when--and this is a direct quote--"Shadow Lass made me think about what would happen to Brainy in a feminist world," and she snaps out of it. (Yet more proof that Kara's true love is Brainiac 5, btw.)
That being said I would be interested in seeing what someone could do with this hypothetical "Satin Girl". Maybe there could be duality where she's a normal gal but does vigilante work she does a glow-up like a lady Clark Kent into Superman but from nerdy fashion designer into femme fatale. With comedy resulting sometimes because she's really a dork and trying to live vicariously through her alt identity so she sometimes overplays the trope and it's weird or she's awkward. Or maybe some irony where a bruiser style girl ala Power Girl gains somewhat satin themed powers and Satin Girl isn't actually soft but has fabric powers and is a fashionista despite looking like she could pop you apart like an action figure.
Sasha, I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather, but I was reading the Legion in 1963 when the story in the first half of your video appeared. I have no memory of the story -- your explanation of the story probably tells me why! -- but the cover of Adventure Comics 313 you display at 0:0:49 sure strikes a bell. And the rest of the video -- particularly the section immediately following the 1963 story -- shows how much writers "steal" from earlier stories. I only wish your thumbnail had better indicated that you were dealing with the Silver Age rather than some obscure "Satan Girl" from elsewhere. I would have clicked on the video sooner.
It’s weird that marvel also has a demonic duplicate Namely Devil Girl, who is an “evil” version of Moon Girl. Even has a Moon Dinosaur instead of a Devil Dinosaur.
Very excited by the prospect of more Legion. For Silver Age goofiness the Legion is a bottomless well, but IMO the quintessential Silver Age Legion story is the two-parter from Adventure 350 and 351. So much Legion stuff crammed into one big wide-ranging story---pretty much every Legionnaire has a role, plus both Superboy and Supergirl, the Subs and the Super-Pets. And again colored kryptonite plays a role in the conclusion!
Reminds me of the Star Trek Voyager episode “Faces”. B’elanna Torress the Human/Klingon engineer is split into two beings. A strong Klingon, and a cowardly human. Similar ending to this Supergirl story. Edit: Lol that you made two completely different Trek references first
Your videos continue to entertain, inform, and analyze. You are quite a super journalist, comic historian, and comic recapper. This was mostly new to me. I read the Peter David series for a while, but I had stopped by the time the retooled Satan Girl appeared. The final four issues of that series rocked. I read the trade paperback at the library ca. 2005. When I returned from comic exile in 2006, I read nearly all of the 2005 to Flashpoint series. The face off between good Kara and evil Kara was interesting. When that series was dropped in favor of The New 52, I was so pissed.
Great job, great info and voice work! I've loved the LSH since I was a kid..Mike Grell was the artist when I first came across them and I've been hooked ever since. The "magic" of the Legion is their history, the members backstories, their homeworlds and the friendships/relationships within the team. Please do more LSH segments....maybe a video for each member, comparing/contrasting how they have changed from first appearance to current version? Maybe chapters on the teams biggest storylines (ex. The Great Darkness Saga)??
8:42 If she HAD succeeded in syphoning off ALL of the red kryptonite into the female Legionnaires within 48 hours, then would they have all fused into the original Supergirl?
Please do more legion please. The legion was the excuse for the writers in the silver and Bronze Age to do ridiculous shit without worrying about continuity.
I loved this era too great legion stories loved how Satan girl was going to destroy the girl legionnaires then think that the guys would let her join the legion after killing them (the girls were more harsher for new comers joining the legion lol. What a complex mystery no one would guess it was a dark supergirl loved this video 😀
11:04 "If the red K wears off after 48 hours and now all the Legionnaires are cured, would they be cured anyway?" Satan Girl doesn't think so. At 5:16 she's thinking that her plan will only succeed if all the girl Legionnaires are dead. Maybe all of the red kryptonite needs to be contained within their corpses. But because they didn't absorb enough to kill them, they sweated it out and it flew into its originally destined target: Satan Girl.
Thank you! I read that storyline with the Matrix Supergirl without knowing Satan Girl’s history. The whole angel thing in the series was something else.
Satin Girl sounds like she would be on the Legion of Substitute Heroes. I didn't know Black Kryptonite was from the Smallville tv show. I know it from that one Justice League Action short with a bunch of weird types of Kryptonite.
I really love your channel Sasha. Your zeal for the Silver Age is my favorite part and you do such a great job of telling the stories. Very entertaining. Congrats on the new addition to your family and cheers from NYC.
You know, this whole thing got me to thinking: whatever happened to Match, the evil superboy clone? As for Satan Girl....nah. we have enough Kara's running around in Supergirl and Power Girl. I mean, it's neat giving Kara her own personal villains to deal with. And I would 100% be down for it if it were some super gothic, evil, high school, witch girl that happens to go to school with Kara or something. That would be fun, but also require them to age Kara back down to high school age instead of graduate student age.
Oh yeah, I would love you to cover the legion But which one Original, Adult legion, 5 years later, Batch SW6, reboot, threeboot, retroboot, futuresend, doomsday clock/ Bendis era, futurestate .... There are lots of options
I remember her in the pre-52 arch which I got a bit of in a novel from Ollie's, it's in with bizarrogirls story really good highly recommend it dealt with Kara's gilt over krypton
I've enjoyed your channel off and on for a while but hadn't subscribed. I'm not sure why, you're incredibly thorough research makes for very interesting content. I have however, always been a huge fan of the Legion and it's always been my favorite. After this video I quickly hit the subscribe button and very much look forward to your future videos on the super team from the future.
There were several silver age Legion stories where the villains were randomly weak to animals, thus giving an excuse to bring in the Legion of Super Pets.
6:00: OMG it's the Madballs! Remember Madballs? DC/Warner/Discovery whoever needs to really assemble their lawyers and go after that sweet Madballs pot.
Er.. what's with the sexy Satan Girl voice? LOL and the robot voices... I'm liking comicbook theater! also I think Satan Girl spent the majority of her time working on the Domme planet, another world that Supergirl knows about but keeps secret.
12:23 It took me several passes to work out what this immage is meant to show. Is Supergirl awkwardly holding up a crucifix, as she gets buffeted by waves of evil? Is that even supposed to be Supergirl? A) Someone beyond the edge of the page is forcing a trident towards Supergirl and she's trying to hold it back.
Hasn't anyone commented on how bizarre it is for god-like beings to let their children use our universe as a playground for their puppets? Imagine if we found out we were all nothing but dolls to a race of giant children.
I first read this story in the Adventure Comics #500 reprint collection, alongside several other classic LSH tales. They all had that same stilted, overexpository dialogue you called out. It's really as weird as you said.
You always have good content, but that painting in the background is something. I couldn't take my eyes off it. I thought it was the scream but it's a car with a gas pump handle spewing gas in the scream style. It's really cool. Who's the artist?
As a long time enjoyer of both devilish and demonic ladies; when hearing Satangirl asking who's ready to love her, the only thing I could answer is "I am!", don't judge me.
Supergirl can’t harm animals?… tell that too Comets heart lol
You know it's serious when they have to unleash the Jimmyverse!
They should absolutely use the 'separate version fighting for its own life' story idea to bring back Matrix/Supergirl! I also like the idea of a non-evil "gothy uninhibited" version of Kara that can occasionally pop up as a foil for the original.
Dark Supergirl would sometimes manifest as the dominant personality for awhile after her initial story in the Post-Crisis continuity. Over time she became less malicious and more bratty. Dr. Fate (being a doctor in psychology) eventually diagnosed the Dark Supergirl personality as a manifestation of Kara's survivor's guilt. This, incidentally, gives her the same status as another Silver/Bronze Age Supergirl villain, Nightflame. The potential character progression is laid out, just waiting for a new writer to pick it up.
I like this idea but a question? How can you have all these people with supermans powers but not bring back matrix,she part of supermans allies and was considered family the same way connor was?
I can see an alternate version of Satan Girl's original story where, instead of trying to extend her life, she's just determined to live up what little time she has, so that Supergirl and the Legion see reports of her at nightclubs dancing with Lotsa guys, drinking heavily, and basically being an out-of-control Wild Child!🤣
This would make for a very short story. Whooping it up at a Nightclub, while obnoxious, is not illegal. At worst, the Legion could scold her, giving a severe talking to she’d never forget!
At best, a certain Rick James tune would come back into circulation in the 30th Century.
Weirdly enough, this is kinda what the real Kara does for a bit in what Sasha calls her "Britney Spears phase"
That would have been an amazing Hellraiser comic
YOLO girl!
oh it’s my most very favorite topic of all: Supergirl!
also Satan Girl is a further reiteration of how much Supergirl’s rogues gallery is made up of dark doubles and reflections, which is a ripe source of analysis.
I think the idea of a Supergirl time duplicate just doing a wild deadly gambit to live is actually neat. I'd imagine if you told the story from Satan Girl's side it could be a tearjerker. She doesn't want to hurt her friends, hurt her pets...but she also wants to live even though that's probably not what anyone wants. Nobody's gonna be holding vigils for Red K Kara. She's not her friend's friend she's a temporary problem that'll solve itself to them. In that way, her plan being so...deadly and antisocial does make some sense, if you imagine her alone in space thinking about all these things.
I remember drawing the correlation between the Black K in the comics with the Black K in Smallville, but I also imagined it was further related to the artificial K from Superman 3. In fact, as I recall, the Black K of Smallville was created in an almost identical way to the the artificial K from S3. So, in my head canon, every time you try to make artificial K and don't get the formula quite right, you end up with something that splits super-powered Kryptonians into two "good" and "evil" doppelgangers.
That's how science works bro
19:42 That's how evil girls stand. The devil is in those hips.
Based. Cate Blanchett as Hela...
Out of everything discussed, despite being a big LSH fan, I'm way more intrigued by the thought of a bunch of mini-Karas coming together Voltron style to form a big Kara. Also, it would have been hilarious to see goth Kara attempt to color her hair black only to discover her invulnerable hair is impervious to L'Oreal.
Wow it took a lot of brain strength not to read Saturn Girl
The struggle!
Not I. Hail Satan!
@@CasuallyComics The Gates run is pretty good. SG was good until Rebirth. Love that 90s soap opera writing.
Even in the 1960's 'satan' was essentially forbidden to say in public, not because it's "invoking" anything, the way nowadays people avoid saying Voldemort, but because it would encourage that kind of magical thinking. That was the whole point of satanISM, it's not about TALKING about the deceiver, it's about this reductive thinking in CALLING him "Satan", because that is ACTUAL blind faith the same way religious blasphemy lets children die of treateable illnesses. THAT is what offends Christians.
The transition from "saturn" to "satan" is entirely straightforward. In the 1960's it wouldn't have meant ANYTHING more than "diabolical" today, and the name origin of saturn, satyr, and satan are all the same thing. The REASON it is religiously offensive, is the fact that it presents the deceiver in this false "this is what christians ACTUALLY believe" kind of public smear campaign way. When in reality, you ahve seen the businesses, that have been burned down in riots. Christians would call that "satanism" or "paganism" because it IS this notion of corrupting secularism into a cavalcade of witch hunts. ANYBODY should call it diabolical, or any other words that you can still use, before revisionists smear that word as well. The same people who would decriminalize delibarate spreading of HIV, and call it "I'm just being diabolical, a little cheeky rascal, and I'm proud of it" as they ruin lives.
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Keeping the name "satan girl" seems to be a deliberate decision to use it CORRECTLY, no different than naming her after ANY of the apocryphical deity names like Kronos or Hades, like "satan" actually is. The biblical mentions are that kind of English translations, just words that have weird English origins because the language is so irrationally spoken. Satan and angels are not CHARACTERS in the bible, that is secular pop mythology the same way Sauron was not an ACTUAL giant falming eyeball in LotR BOOKS. That is "secular" world being WAY MORE RELIGIOUS than Christians, and they ACTUALLY believe that we need a crusade against JK Rowling.
THAT IS LITERALLY why Harry Potter is satanIC, because now when you allow magical thinking, the mob rule is ostracizing people who play the new video game online. Satanism is not this projected simple radicalism, by the regressive radicals who ACTUALLY believe that witch hunts and zero medical intervention are a good idea. In the church that is a CONTENTIOUS idea, but outside of the church it is smeared as the Christian mainstream, when in reality it is the NON-christ-like mainstream, promoted by all the radically atheistic governments like USSR. The trend to un-person individuals has been anti-christian atheistic, since the church abandoned it after the middle ages.
Satin girl.
Evil Kara is somehow still less creepy than stalker horse
Satan girl gives me Batgirl from Zero Hour vibes. "It's weird hearing that I don't belong... That I am from an alternate timeline. But I have a life... feelings and memories, as real as any of you! All I want to do is live"
I had an epiphany about the Legion a few years ago. Reading their early 60s exploits I noticed that the kids behaved very much the way that the Fawcett Marvel family acted. Then I learned that Otto Binder created all those characters and started thinking about the Legion as the Legion of Marvel Family Heroes. That will never catch on . With anyone.
Don’t tell that to the Lieutenant Marvels, or Uncle Dudley, or…..
That's brilliant and it makes since that they'd want to copy Captain Marvel and family since they were more popular than Superman for a while.
Silver Age Supergirl was basically Otto Binder picking up where he left off with Mary Marvel.
@Brandon Vout Fawcett's revenge !!! Ah ha ha ha ha !
Come to think of it, the Legions criteria for keeping Lana out seems…..sketchy. Not born with powers? Created artificially? What about Invisible Kid or Giant Boy? Weren’t they ordinary Earth teens who took serums to have those abilities? Sorry, Lana. Kids can be so cruel!
And, yes, that’s my shameless nudge for future Legion Video(s). Was going to suggest a history of Nightwing and Flamebird, but I’m sure the idea list is already growing faster than a red virus. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink!
The difference with Lana is that her device could be taken away or broken. Invisible Kid took a serum which permanently gave him powers. Colossal Boy also got permanent superpowers (not from a serum). Bouncing Boy also drank something that gave him permanent superpowers. It's not really being "born with" powers that is the issue. It's the whole "you have a gadget which might stop working leaving you powerless suddenly" that was the issue. The Legion didn't want unreliable heroes. That's why they rejected Storm Boy among others.
Karate Kid has entered the chat 😜
@@SimonMoon5 Okay, that makes sense. Also, probably why I’d suck at Role Playing Games.
The reveal of the duplicate Supergirl on this story somehow reminds me of the ending of the novel "Who Censored Roger Rabbit" (Which was very different from the film version "Who Framed Roger Rabbit") where the murders involved a doppleganger of Roger who only lives for 48 hours.
In Alan Moore's Supreme the Supergirl character Suprema actually fights a Satan Girl type character. She was actually much more simple and she was just a demon girl villain for Suprema. Jim Mooney worked on the issue as well. She was written in such an easy way you wonder why this wasn't always the case for Satan Girl. Maybe Enchantress was some inspiration for that character. It is fascinating that Satan Girl inspired so much for decades.
Bravo! No one delivers melodramatic (albeit blunt: "Hope we can cure you, try not to die." LOL) lines from the Silver Age as you do! I love your performance! Thanks for exploring and examining these deep-cut stories about obscure characters. Because of your brilliant work, these stories are being introduced to new fans rather than being forgotten. 🥰
I love the original Satan Girl costume. The simplicity of it is beautiful.
I’ve always wondered if Professor X had merman legs.
Well, he is a telepath, maybe he is a merman after all 🤔
Only when he gets wet. It's Splash all over again, only with Patrick Stewart in place of Daryl Hannah.
I love the Peter David Supergirl. She had the most consistent tone, supporting characters & storyline in the character’s history.
They really didn't need the lead-lined suit to explain the immunity to green K. I'm sure I remember something in the continuity during the Silver Age that Kryptonians under the temporary influence of red K wouldn't be further affected by any form of kryptonite until the random effects wire off. Sticks in my mind that Kal even took (inadvertent?) advantage of this to keep his identity secret (Oh, Clark's holding a chunk of green K without flinching; guess he can't be Superman after all).
Now I want Black Kryptonite Supergirl to fight Pre-Crisis Satan Girl for the bragging rights for most evil Supergirl.
Edit: I just remembered why Satan Girl's costume felt a little similar. A lead lined, full cowled enemy of Supergirl - She's the inspiration for the Lucy Lane Superwoman (ok probably not, but its fun to think about).
Star Wars #50 by Marvel Comics circa 1981 involved the Rebel Alliance finding an Imperial derelict full of dead officers and crew. They had all turned red. They dubbed the plague "The Crimson Forever". Luke contracted the disease which turned his eyes bright red. It was up to Leia, Chewie, and the droids to find a cure.
And once again I am reminded not only that I used to own a lot of those old collected Legion stories once upon a time, but that Peter David, being a genius, once wrote arguably the best version of Supergirl using the modern version of the Legion's pet Proty the Protoplasm (after someone else reintroduced it back into Superman continuity to be the post-Crisis Supergirl -- Byrne maybe?)
I’ve never heard of this character before, but all it took for me to figure out it was an evil Supergirl was the name and the lead-lined mask. The hints are all there, you just can’t put them together without understanding the name. Satan means - the one who opposes, the opposer (i.e. the opposite of). No knock against you personally CC, but it’s kinda sad that so little is known today about the most printed book in history that we can no longer understand children’s books that are less then 100 years old.
Jimmy´s transformations was referenced again in SUPERMAN VS LOBO.
I, personally, love when things from the past are brought back again. Be it as they were, making it better or just takinc concepts from the original and doing a new thing.
This vid had everything! The Legion, Transforming Jimmy Olsen, the Super-Pets, Red and Black Kryptonite, unpronounceable names (Stanicule Gyrstress???) ... Super-fun! I was wondering how they would play Satan Girl, since it was a Silver Age story and satanic creatures were no-no's under the Comics Code. Oh wait, there was Harvey Comic's Hot Stuff the Little Devil. How did you get by the Code, Hot Stuff?
My theory is that they dreaded a Wendy/Spooky/Lil”Devil team up! Your move, Comics Code…
They were probably able to get away with it because of the lack of other references to religion, same as this story. Aside from the names, there’s nothing religious about this story or Hot Stuff.
@@jpboursaw4469 HaHaHa! Triple threat!
@@megaman9393 That could be. Or maybe they slipped some Richie Rich money under the table, lol!
Harvey's other big characters included a literal witch and more than a few lost souls. Their rep for being wholesome kids' fare was already so well-established the CCA knew better than to tackle them about any of it. They'd have looked like idiots if they'd even tried. Well, more like idiots.
I have to say I really like Satan Girl's Silver Age costume, and I wouldn't mind seeing her return from time to time if they can come up with a good excuse for her to return.
I'm happy that we're going back to the silver age. Those are my favorite videos.
Another interesting and informative Supergirl episode 👍🏾👍🏾 The OG Satan Girl seems like the coolest version and her twisted idea of fighting to live her own life gives me an Awesome idea for my own character❤❤❤
THANK YOU, SASHA! Finally, some full-on Legion content! (Okay, it's more about Supergirl with a side-dish of the Legion, but still.) About the comment at 10:53 about Mon-El not being there to be hurt by all the lead, that's actually not a problem, as Mon-El was taking an Anti-Lead serum invented by Brainy to allow him to function normally.
This is not remotely my favourite Legion story. Having said that, I see why it worked for the purposes of this video. I hope you do more Legion content in the future!
Closing Comment: Love the fact that you took on a red hair and make-up theme, no doubt to run with the theme of the story (the girl Legionnaires having a crimson virus).
man, I love comics! The amount of insane things that were brought up in this video is special
Saturn Girl, one step removed from Uranus Girl.
OK, I'll see myself out.
My favorite boys vs girls Legion story is Adventure 368, when a female alien ambassador amplifies the girls' powers and turns them against the boys (by dousing statuettes of them with radiation???). But Supergirl saves the day when--and this is a direct quote--"Shadow Lass made me think about what would happen to Brainy in a feminist world," and she snaps out of it. (Yet more proof that Kara's true love is Brainiac 5, btw.)
That being said I would be interested in seeing what someone could do with this hypothetical "Satin Girl". Maybe there could be duality where she's a normal gal but does vigilante work she does a glow-up like a lady Clark Kent into Superman but from nerdy fashion designer into femme fatale. With comedy resulting sometimes because she's really a dork and trying to live vicariously through her alt identity so she sometimes overplays the trope and it's weird or she's awkward.
Or maybe some irony where a bruiser style girl ala Power Girl gains somewhat satin themed powers and Satin Girl isn't actually soft but has fabric powers and is a fashionista despite looking like she could pop you apart like an action figure.
@9:48 "Several questions:..." Oh, boy 🤣
Sasha, I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather, but I was reading the Legion in 1963 when the story in the first half of your video appeared. I have no memory of the story -- your explanation of the story probably tells me why! -- but the cover of Adventure Comics 313 you display at 0:0:49 sure strikes a bell. And the rest of the video -- particularly the section immediately following the 1963 story -- shows how much writers "steal" from earlier stories. I only wish your thumbnail had better indicated that you were dealing with the Silver Age rather than some obscure "Satan Girl" from elsewhere. I would have clicked on the video sooner.
I always think of clunky expository dialogue as characteristic of the Superman stories in the Silver Age, especially the Legion
It’s weird that marvel also has a demonic duplicate
Namely Devil Girl, who is an “evil” version of Moon Girl. Even has a Moon Dinosaur instead of a Devil Dinosaur.
Nice! I love the weird classic Legion stories.
Kara needed Edna Mode to design a costume instead.
Yes! Absolutely! And then she could change Satan Girl to Satin Girl, with the power to be wrinkle free and fabulous, dahlink!
Very excited by the prospect of more Legion. For Silver Age goofiness the Legion is a bottomless well, but IMO the quintessential Silver Age Legion story is the two-parter from Adventure 350 and 351. So much Legion stuff crammed into one big wide-ranging story---pretty much every Legionnaire has a role, plus both Superboy and Supergirl, the Subs and the Super-Pets. And again colored kryptonite plays a role in the conclusion!
13:49 So they pulled a QL. Always fun to see the Quantum Leap effect, or some variation of it, in other stories.
"Our legs are so warm..." Hahahahahaha!
"The pit at which this confluence of events has freed me" ??? The writer relied WAY to much on their thesaurus ^_^
You know I always curious about black suit Kara's origins after seeing her in a comic. Thanks for the history lesson!
Reminds me of the Star Trek Voyager episode “Faces”. B’elanna Torress the Human/Klingon engineer is split into two beings. A strong Klingon, and a cowardly human. Similar ending to this Supergirl story.
Edit: Lol that you made two completely different Trek references first
Lol they love that plot
Your videos continue to entertain, inform, and analyze. You are quite a super journalist, comic historian, and comic recapper.
This was mostly new to me. I read the Peter David series for a while, but I had stopped by the time the retooled Satan Girl appeared. The final four issues of that series rocked. I read the trade paperback at the library ca. 2005.
When I returned from comic exile in 2006, I read nearly all of the 2005 to Flashpoint series. The face off between good Kara and evil Kara was interesting. When that series was dropped in favor of The New 52, I was so pissed.
..."Quarantine World?"
Great job, great info and voice work!
I've loved the LSH since I was a kid..Mike Grell was the artist when I first came across them and I've been hooked ever since.
The "magic" of the Legion is their history, the members backstories, their homeworlds and the friendships/relationships within the team.
Please do more LSH segments....maybe a video for each member, comparing/contrasting how they have changed from first appearance to current version?
Maybe chapters on the teams biggest storylines (ex. The Great Darkness Saga)??
8:42 If she HAD succeeded in syphoning off ALL of the red kryptonite into the female Legionnaires within 48 hours, then would they have all fused into the original Supergirl?
8:08
Actually, I did. Not the red kryptonite thing or her motives, but that she was some alternate Supergirl.
"Even I, with my super-bouncing power, can't do better at it than they!" I want this on a shirt, with him and those monstrosities
I see the Gargoyles collection for the Satan Girl video and smile at the Demonia representation. Well played.
Please do more legion please. The legion was the excuse for the writers in the silver and Bronze Age to do ridiculous shit without worrying about continuity.
My first exposure to her was Legionnaires 17, and like you, I keep calling her Satin Girl. Glad I'm not alone.
21:08 They do. That's what's under the blankets 1:59
DC needs to bring back the Robot Nurses.
Hilarious Sasha the sarcasm was strong with this episode
"It was ME, Kara! It was ME all along!"
I loved this era too great legion stories loved how Satan girl was going to destroy the girl legionnaires then think that the guys would let her join the legion after killing them (the girls were more harsher for new comers joining the legion lol. What a complex mystery no one would guess it was a dark supergirl loved this video 😀
This was a fun video. Thanks. The L.O.S.H. seems like a solid story.
I love your channel! I wonder if you could maybe make a video on the spider-girl, spider-woman, black widow team up?
have you considered looking at the Golden Age comics superheroine Lady Satan?
11:04 "If the red K wears off after 48 hours and now all the Legionnaires are cured, would they be cured anyway?" Satan Girl doesn't think so. At 5:16 she's thinking that her plan will only succeed if all the girl Legionnaires are dead.
Maybe all of the red kryptonite needs to be contained within their corpses. But because they didn't absorb enough to kill them, they sweated it out and it flew into its originally destined target: Satan Girl.
Thank you! I read that storyline with the Matrix Supergirl without knowing Satan Girl’s history. The whole angel thing in the series was something else.
Satin Girl sounds like she would be on the Legion of Substitute Heroes.
I didn't know Black Kryptonite was from the Smallville tv show. I know it from that one Justice League Action short with a bunch of weird types of Kryptonite.
I really want a follow up to Satan Girl momentarily resurfacing as an aspect of Kara's personality
Plot twist: Happens during sex.
I really love your channel Sasha. Your zeal for the Silver Age is my favorite part and you do such a great job of telling the stories. Very entertaining. Congrats on the new addition to your family and cheers from NYC.
You know, this whole thing got me to thinking: whatever happened to Match, the evil superboy clone?
As for Satan Girl....nah. we have enough Kara's running around in Supergirl and Power Girl. I mean, it's neat giving Kara her own personal villains to deal with. And I would 100% be down for it if it were some super gothic, evil, high school, witch girl that happens to go to school with Kara or something. That would be fun, but also require them to age Kara back down to high school age instead of graduate student age.
Oh yeah, I would love you to cover the legion
But which one
Original, Adult legion, 5 years later, Batch SW6, reboot, threeboot, retroboot, futuresend, doomsday clock/ Bendis era, futurestate
.... There are lots of options
All of them.
It'd be hilarious to show Kara taking the sick Legionaries to an "uninhabited" planet only to discover that, a thousand years later, it's not.
I'm new to your channel, but I love the discussion of the older Stories!
I remember her in the pre-52 arch which I got a bit of in a novel from Ollie's, it's in with bizarrogirls story really good highly recommend it dealt with Kara's gilt over krypton
Bouncing Boy's really into beach volleyball.
I've enjoyed your channel off and on for a while but hadn't subscribed. I'm not sure why, you're incredibly thorough research makes for very interesting content. I have however, always been a huge fan of the Legion and it's always been my favorite. After this video I quickly hit the subscribe button and very much look forward to your future videos on the super team from the future.
There were several silver age Legion stories where the villains were randomly weak to animals, thus giving an excuse to bring in the Legion of Super Pets.
6:00: OMG it's the Madballs! Remember Madballs? DC/Warner/Discovery whoever needs to really assemble their lawyers and go after that sweet Madballs pot.
I was amazed by the various.... species Supergirl introduces the Legionaire.
Silverage Satangirl herself was just... huh
Nice one. Bizzarro & red Kryptonite were the best Superman/girl stuff .
Im surprised they didnt use the origin of Silver Age Satan Girl as a possible origin for Power Girl.... or is that yet to come?
That white kryptonite, split her into two people with differing body types?
You asked us if we got...
"Sympathy for the devil"
Er.. what's with the sexy Satan Girl voice? LOL and the robot voices... I'm liking comicbook theater! also I think Satan Girl spent the majority of her time working on the Domme planet, another world that Supergirl knows about but keeps secret.
Loving today's wig!
THANK! YOU! NEED! MORE! LEGION! CONTENT! (NEED! LEGION! PLAYLIST!)
12:23 It took me several passes to work out what this immage is meant to show. Is Supergirl awkwardly holding up a crucifix, as she gets buffeted by waves of evil?
Is that even supposed to be Supergirl?
A) Someone beyond the edge of the page is forcing a trident towards Supergirl and she's trying to hold it back.
Hasn't anyone commented on how bizarre it is for god-like beings to let their children use our universe as a playground for their puppets?
Imagine if we found out we were all nothing but dolls to a race of giant children.
The LSH is my favorite DC super team, 65th anniversary is coming with no title to celebrate. 😢
I first read this story in the Adventure Comics #500 reprint collection, alongside several other classic LSH tales. They all had that same stilted, overexpository dialogue you called out. It's really as weird as you said.
I know it's not, but when I saw the title I totally thought this was Satana from Marvel and was excited, because I love Hellstrom and Satana.
You need to make a video on Red kryptonite effects
love your videos! Thank you for always taking a different dive into characters.
It's amazing that both Superman and Supergirl are such jerks back in the silver age, lol
I remember that story very well. Later on Jim Shooter did a similar plot in a LSH story, but he did it much better, and he was a teenager at the time.
You always have good content, but that painting in the background is something. I couldn't take my eyes off it. I thought it was the scream but it's a car with a gas pump handle spewing gas in the scream style. It's really cool. Who's the artist?
i like the idea that supergirl just loves animals so much that she physically can't hurt them no matter what.
Ah, all part of Sasha's grand scheme to make a video about every individual member of Supergirl's Silver Age Rogues gallery.
Always good to see a Tuvix reference!
As a long time enjoyer of both devilish and demonic ladies; when hearing Satangirl asking who's ready to love her, the only thing I could answer is "I am!", don't judge me.
The original OG Satan Girl feels like an even weirder sort of generic squandering of a "Satan" type name than the Micronaut who was called "Devil".