What was once a perilous two-man journey into uncharted territory, now an automated procedure with hundreds more lives complacently relying on it. And landing at a city named after one man who never got to make that trip despite training to.
The EXACT same thing could have been said of exploring the Americas a small crew on a boat , sending a brave crew up the river to the rocky shoals of an unforgiving landscape near a harbor that seems like it might someday be good for sheltering in storms....I'm sure some guys in 1503 or 1520 would have been able to describe their adventure similarly to the astronauts.....of course NOW , we call that rocky shoal....New Brunswick, New Jersey , and while it certainly isn't much to look at , there are hundreds of thousands of people that live and work there every day.
@@FireOccator agree with you there - they’ve already gone to such great lengths to do a realistic portrayal of space in every other way, so it seems kinda weird they chose to include sounds
@@jasonpereira4024 you need sound effects to heighten scenes and the lack of it is true as in this scene. Actions scenes would definitely lack the tension without sound effects
"First of all I didn't start it. And second of all they were all alive when I walked out." This line had me laughing so hard when I first heard it. XD Despite how brutal he is, I somehow just like Amos.
@@Hellfire4WD If you are reffering to the Novels - dude I didn't read them as of now! Please stop spoiling! 😧 I definitely want to read them but they are hard to come by in English in Germany. 🙂
I know that sci-fi, as with all fiction, is supposed to be about characterisation but for me it just isn’t. It’s about something more transcendental. The majestic sweep of the galaxy, the scale the universe, the heft of the Millennium Falcon in ANH. This scene of a shuttle docking, turned into a kind of ballet, is one of the most gorgeous moments of sci-fi ever, in my opinion.
I get where you're coming from and I agree with you, in part. Its weird because when I saw your comment come in earlier, I was at that moment writing the description for the clip of Baltimore. And I related it to this clip of Lovell City, as 2 of the finest scene intros of the entire series of The Expanse. Simply stunning and supported by a unique, subtle and sophisticated score that compliments those 2 scenes superbly. I mentioned I agree with you in part. For myself, the truly great Sci-fi shows, of course The Expanse included, always manage to do excellent characterisation matched with the majestic sweeping visuals you mentioned. I count myself lucky enough (and unfortunately old enough!) to have seen SW A New Hope when it was released in the UK in '78 and saw it 3 times. The opening shot of that film was such a stunning visual which instantly whammed into my mind as something I had not seen before. But it was still a visual fucking masterpiece, balanced and matched with good characters. The Expanse manages to somehow maintain a wonderful balancing act with sensational visuals, excellent characterisation, intelligent dialogue, character development with fascinating and credible back stories. That for me is the transcendental aspect as you described it of top notch Sci-fi, to manage that balance, but still deliver those magical visual moments which historically have always been what Sci-fi is about. To create feasts for the eyes that display the wonder and majesty of space and the cosmos and asks the question, 'what if. Jesus just realised I've gone on a bit there :) But thanks for the intelligent and thoughtful comment my friend, nice to see that for a change.
love everything about this shot. The emotive but not overpowering music, the little accents of flute at the end, the real-world physics, the fact that the base looks realistic, little movements around the site... and the shot ends symmetrically lined up. all in all a fantastic minute of sci-fi.
If you want characterisation you don't necessarily need Sci-Fi. Just do an indie movie. Sci-Fi needs good characterisation like any other good fiction, but in my opinion it is more about giving us an idea were we as a human species are going to and what challenges lie withing that future... and give us freaking awesome/wonderful visuals here and there. ^^ At least that is what I have taken from 30 odd years of enjoying Sci-Fi.
As much attention to detail as this show gives to g-forces and momentum, the elevator/tram scenes always feel funny when nobody reacts to the sudden decelerations.
@@shellderpit was still going rather fast and slowed to a stop in a matter of seconds, imagine driving a car on a highway and slamming on the breaks really hard, it may still be gradual but it definitely doesn't feel gradual
theyre all still wearing mag-boots and are rooted to the floor, you can see their upper bodies tip forward slightly as they begin to decelerate when they first hit the tunnel
I hope we get to see our species first real steps into space in my lifetime. And by first real steps I don't mean having a space station orbiting earth at ~400km but setting foot on Mars and having an outpost on the moon.
Well my friend, don't get me started on that :) Over and above my interest for The Expanse, which is very dear to my heart. As soon as I was old enough to read I was reading about Ufology. Decades on (yep I'm that old lol) its become a serious study of mine including black projects suppressed technologies and everything that comes with it. And I believe wholeheartedly that we've been doing stuff, in secret. Wade past all the bullshit and attention seekers and the fake ufo vids and there's a core of evidence (and I mean evidence) that we've developed crap and been up to more shit than even Holden could believe :) And that includes Mars. Believe it. Now where did I leave that tin foil hat .....
von Braun actually advocated for Spacestations first and then the Moonlanding. would we have that, we might be on mars by now. Spacestations are far more important in the long run then Landingsites. so i wait for the first long time station with artificial Gravity to call us "space faring" everything else is just Rockhoping
@@Zombiepull saving the earth is far more important than landing on another world or building space stations. If we don’t accomplish this, then nothing else we accomplish will matter. Earth must come first.
The ship Amos lands from looks very much like an old freighter add-on for Orbiter Sim called the Clydesdale. (Cubical cockpit, four large tail engines and fuel tanks, cargo along the sides.)
Man i wish i could see this stuff in my lifetime but we have to get significant infrastructure into space inorder to build space habitats and asteroid mining stations.
Well, I suppose the answer to your statement depends firstly on your age. But I've got some radical 'woo woo' opinions on that, which says to me that significant infrastructure isn't necessary for deep space exploration. But I'd better stop there or there'll be uproar. :)
Let's get a move on then :D It's not like we're lacking the rockets to do it. We just need to put the nuclear warheads back in stock that are attached to most of them :D
Simply look back at how far we’ve come since even 50 years ago. Look at Star Trek and see all the things that were crazy science fiction 50 or even 20 years ago and notice we gave a ton of that crazy crap now. If you’re in your 40’s or 50’s I suspect you’ll see it.
Nah we are too stupid. We rather fight over few acres of land when we have limitless resources and space for billions of others. No, we build tanks and shoot at each other. And expanse shows it that even if we make it, we will never change.
That's not our generation step. But we will have astonishing feats to witness in awe. Remember that Artemis III is just 2 years from now, and 10 years from now we will have people LIVING on the Moon and settling in Mars.
Try as I might, I just can't do it. I've loved sci-fi movies and shows for as long as I can remember. This may very well be my most favorite, non-combat related space flight scene ever. And I simply cannot put into words why. I know it may be trite to say. But it just seems... "perfect."
Here's what I loved about the show and consider it one of the best sci-fi: my favorite season is s4 (Cibola burn is also my fav book so far) because I love shows/movies/games that's about exploring the uncharted realms of space, and the consequences of that. Infact s1-s4 is where I feel the show was at it's absolute best. BUT something about Amos going back to Earth....to his roots, in the show. The music, the imagery. It triggers nostalgia. The show didn't show off futuristic period for sake of technology and awe, there's so much characterisation behind all this.
It was only such a challenge before because there’s so many factors to manage at once when landing rockets vertically, generally more than a single human could do without crazy advanced software-hardware interaction, but modern computers and rocketry are more than up to those tasks today as evidenced by Falcon 9’s 300+ successful landings. Spaceflight has been stuck in the mud for decades, but finally, it’s slowly but surely becoming as routine as air travel
Fr, this really looks like a genuine natural progression of how lunar colonization will look in the centuries to come. I imagine there’s vastly more space built out under the surface considering tens of millions live on Luna at this point.
“First of all I didn’t start it. Second of all they were all alive when I walked out.” LOL ❤... conversations occurring in the proper manner in the order avoid such realities and preclude such statements. Hence a timely friendly escort... 🦅
I wonder how the interrior of a TR-3B looks like for passengers? Expect functional....dark. Like in a B2 Bomber I guess, a hatch, 4 bunks, small food supply station like on the ISS, astronaut gear room, maybe 2 quarters, upper engineering room above some fusion reactor... Depends for what these crafts are used for. Inguess some are for battle, strategic, cargo transport. Still wonder why triangular and not round, like saucers? Perhaps to stick together making a hexagon. Meaning that at the front sides might be hatches to connect to each other. Cool would be if they a have also psichic stations beside Pilot, Co-Pilot / weapon officer / Engineer / Mission specialists, with some mind helmet thing. Wonder how the mental & character is of the crew. Like USAF Pilots Inguess... I am a big fan of super yachts and passionate about interrior designs. I think that the more a place is remote, the more it should be very comfortable and pleasing to conpensate the harsh enviroment situation on longer periods... But I take it as it is ... and look forward some day to experience a flight to other space places....
the NASA HLS Starship would land indeed looking like this, with raptor engines cutting off at low altitude and RCS thrusters taking it in for touchdown
I'd love to see it, but, there is a reason that the idea was abandoned in the 60's of having one upright lander: it was unstable to land and the engines had to reliability relight. I'm not saying it's not possible with today's computers and engine technology, but it is a little more complicated than hype-men like Musk would like to admit ..
Any sort of lunar city wouldn't look like that. You would be seeing them building inside of craters and mostly underground as a means to combat solar radiation.
Nah, I think it's because they didn't want to have people act floaty all the time. Same with 1/3rd grav on stations and during spaceflight, they move like 1G
@@Juidodin But that would make the gravity feel even less than it is. They are standing on the exterior so spinning it faster would going them away harder as well as making the surface much more earthquake-prone cause you are messing with an entire moon's rock. The only way to get more gravity would be to slow its spin over at least a decade, but that would mess with Earth's tides as well as making the moon not tidally locked anymore (it would work it's way back over a long time).
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"First of all, I didn't start it. And second of all, they were all alive when I walked out."
Toothbrush scrap in the showers I'll hopefully upload in the next couple of days :)
I want that on a t-shirt.
This is like “better ask for forgiveness than permission” of sci-fi hahaha
Forgot that line
Imagine the cops stopping you and this is the first thing you say.
What was once a perilous two-man journey into uncharted territory, now an automated procedure with hundreds more lives complacently relying on it. And landing at a city named after one man who never got to make that trip despite training to.
A man who was not one but two times around the moon and couldn't make the landing
The EXACT same thing could have been said of exploring the Americas a small crew on a boat , sending a brave crew up the river to the rocky shoals of an unforgiving landscape near a harbor that seems like it might someday be good for sheltering in storms....I'm sure some guys in 1503 or 1520 would have been able to describe their adventure similarly to the astronauts.....of course NOW , we call that rocky shoal....New Brunswick, New Jersey , and while it certainly isn't much to look at , there are hundreds of thousands of people that live and work there every day.
I really love the fact that they refrained from using sound effects for the space/landing scene. Makes it so much better IMHO.
But the moon has 1/6th gravity! They should be hopping around...........
@@cloverfield911 Magnetized boots do also work on the moon.
They should have kept it more realistic with no sound in space.
@@FireOccator agree with you there - they’ve already gone to such great lengths to do a realistic portrayal of space in every other way, so it seems kinda weird they chose to include sounds
@@jasonpereira4024 you need sound effects to heighten scenes and the lack of it is true as in this scene.
Actions scenes would definitely lack the tension without sound effects
"First of all I didn't start it. And second of all they were all alive when I walked out."
This line had me laughing so hard when I first heard it. XD
Despite how brutal he is, I somehow just like Amos.
He might be my favorite character in any Science Fiction. Definitely in the top 5.
@@Tk52781 He's the Han Solo we need, just not the one we deserve right now. Terse, blunt, unapologetic, and unironically hilarious.
Yeah, now imagine him being the only one from the crew walking off a thousand years later... that's one hell of a character development
@@Hellfire4WD If you are reffering to the Novels - dude I didn't read them as of now! Please stop spoiling! 😧
I definitely want to read them but they are hard to come by in English in Germany. 🙂
@@thomaskositzki9424 Try audible. The books are really great as audiobooks, the narrator is great.
I know that sci-fi, as with all fiction, is supposed to be about characterisation but for me it just isn’t.
It’s about something more transcendental. The majestic sweep of the galaxy, the scale the universe, the heft of the Millennium Falcon in ANH. This scene of a shuttle docking, turned into a kind of ballet, is one of the most gorgeous moments of sci-fi ever, in my opinion.
I get where you're coming from and I agree with you, in part.
Its weird because when I saw your comment come in earlier, I was at that moment writing the description for the clip of Baltimore. And I related it to this clip of Lovell City, as 2 of the finest scene intros of the entire series of The Expanse. Simply stunning and supported by a unique, subtle and sophisticated score that compliments those 2 scenes superbly.
I mentioned I agree with you in part. For myself, the truly great Sci-fi shows, of course The Expanse included, always manage to do excellent characterisation matched with the majestic sweeping visuals you mentioned.
I count myself lucky enough (and unfortunately old enough!) to have seen SW A New Hope when it was released in the UK in '78 and saw it 3 times. The opening shot of that film was such a stunning visual which instantly whammed into my mind as something I had not seen before. But it was still a visual fucking masterpiece, balanced and matched with good characters.
The Expanse manages to somehow maintain a wonderful balancing act with sensational visuals, excellent characterisation, intelligent dialogue, character development with fascinating and credible back stories.
That for me is the transcendental aspect as you described it of top notch Sci-fi, to manage that balance, but still deliver those magical visual moments which historically have always been what Sci-fi is about. To create feasts for the eyes that display the wonder and majesty of space and the cosmos and asks the question, 'what if.
Jesus just realised I've gone on a bit there :)
But thanks for the intelligent and thoughtful comment my friend, nice to see that for a change.
@@speculativefuture9568 Sometimes I hate the internet for being such a hateful place. But these talks remind me of the good sides.
@@leopolddienstknecht7931 hear hear
love everything about this shot. The emotive but not overpowering music, the little accents of flute at the end, the real-world physics, the fact that the base looks realistic, little movements around the site... and the shot ends symmetrically lined up. all in all a fantastic minute of sci-fi.
If you want characterisation you don't necessarily need Sci-Fi.
Just do an indie movie.
Sci-Fi needs good characterisation like any other good fiction, but in my opinion it is more about giving us an idea were we as a human species are going to and what challenges lie withing that future... and give us freaking awesome/wonderful visuals here and there. ^^
At least that is what I have taken from 30 odd years of enjoying Sci-Fi.
As much attention to detail as this show gives to g-forces and momentum, the elevator/tram scenes always feel funny when nobody reacts to the sudden decelerations.
ikr. they would at least bump into the glass.
Yeah, it's odd given how careful the show is with maintaining consistency when it comes to these things.
what do you mean? the elevator had a gradual slow down
@@shellderpit was still going rather fast and slowed to a stop in a matter of seconds, imagine driving a car on a highway and slamming on the breaks really hard, it may still be gradual but it definitely doesn't feel gradual
theyre all still wearing mag-boots and are rooted to the floor, you can see their upper bodies tip forward slightly as they begin to decelerate when they first hit the tunnel
This music gives me chills every time I hear it. Truly epic, and the show it pretty awesome also
What I like about The Expanse is that it's plausible realistic scenario of what the solar system could look like geo-politically someday.
Landing scene brings back memories of that moon landing scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Only the music playing when the craft is landing.
I hope we get to see our species first real steps into space in my lifetime. And by first real steps I don't mean having a space station orbiting earth at ~400km but setting foot on Mars and having an outpost on the moon.
Well my friend, don't get me started on that :)
Over and above my interest for The Expanse, which is very dear to my heart. As soon as I was old enough to read I was reading about Ufology. Decades on (yep I'm that old lol) its become a serious study of mine including black projects suppressed technologies and everything that comes with it. And I believe wholeheartedly that we've been doing stuff, in secret. Wade past all the bullshit and attention seekers and the fake ufo vids and there's a core of evidence (and I mean evidence) that we've developed crap and been up to more shit than even Holden could believe :)
And that includes Mars. Believe it.
Now where did I leave that tin foil hat .....
What the evidence?
von Braun actually advocated for Spacestations first and then the Moonlanding. would we have that, we might be on mars by now.
Spacestations are far more important in the long run then Landingsites. so i wait for the first long time station with artificial Gravity to call us "space faring" everything else is just Rockhoping
@@Zombiepull saving the earth is far more important than landing on another world or building space stations. If we don’t accomplish this, then nothing else we accomplish will matter. Earth must come first.
@@aguynamedscott11 We can save Earth and push the frontiers of our species at the same time.
I chuckle every time I see Murtry's bag with "Amos" written over the name tag.
I think that this scene could serve as the best teaser/trailer for the series to show anyone thinking of watching it.
I always go for flip and burn.
@@letsgocamping88 that's a good one too.
The ship Amos lands from looks very much like an old freighter add-on for Orbiter Sim called the Clydesdale. (Cubical cockpit, four large tail engines and fuel tanks, cargo along the sides.)
Man i wish i could see this stuff in my lifetime but we have to get significant infrastructure into space inorder to build space habitats and asteroid mining stations.
Well, I suppose the answer to your statement depends firstly on your age. But I've got some radical 'woo woo' opinions on that, which says to me that significant infrastructure isn't necessary for deep space exploration. But I'd better stop there or there'll be uproar. :)
Let's get a move on then :D
It's not like we're lacking the rockets to do it. We just need to put the nuclear warheads back in stock that are attached to most of them :D
Simply look back at how far we’ve come since even 50 years ago. Look at Star Trek and see all the things that were crazy science fiction 50 or even 20 years ago and notice we gave a ton of that crazy crap now. If you’re in your 40’s or 50’s I suspect you’ll see it.
Nah we are too stupid. We rather fight over few acres of land when we have limitless resources and space for billions of others. No, we build tanks and shoot at each other. And expanse shows it that even if we make it, we will never change.
That's not our generation step. But we will have astonishing feats to witness in awe. Remember that Artemis III is just 2 years from now, and 10 years from now we will have people LIVING on the Moon and settling in Mars.
Try as I might, I just can't do it. I've loved sci-fi movies and shows for as long as I can remember. This may very well be my most favorite, non-combat related space flight scene ever. And I simply cannot put into words why. I know it may be trite to say. But it just seems... "perfect."
It’s my second-favorite fictional lunar landing, after ‘2001’.
Here's what I loved about the show and consider it one of the best sci-fi:
my favorite season is s4 (Cibola burn is also my fav book so far) because I love shows/movies/games that's about exploring the uncharted realms of space, and the consequences of that.
Infact s1-s4 is where I feel the show was at it's absolute best.
BUT something about Amos going back to Earth....to his roots, in the show. The music, the imagery. It triggers nostalgia.
The show didn't show off futuristic period for sake of technology and awe, there's so much characterisation behind all this.
you gotta see for all mankind, especially now with the new season
OMG I watched this scene so mayn time but only just noticed all the Truman-class battleships parked there.
Nice to see your channel is back!
Keep up with the good content
Thanks my friend, appreciated the comment.
Hopefully, if I get to finish the bloody thing, there should be a mammoth Alex Kamal analysis soon.
the most underrated shows on TV.
I used to think rockets landing on their tails was ridiculous, but I've watched SpaceX do it over and over the past few months.
It was only such a challenge before because there’s so many factors to manage at once when landing rockets vertically, generally more than a single human could do without crazy advanced software-hardware interaction, but modern computers and rocketry are more than up to those tasks today as evidenced by Falcon 9’s 300+ successful landings. Spaceflight has been stuck in the mud for decades, but finally, it’s slowly but surely becoming as routine as air travel
"First of all I didn't start it. And second of all they were all alive when I walked out." First thing i say if I get stopped by a police officer
It will take another 100-200 years, but yes... this is truly how Moon colonization will look like. Beautiful scene.
Fr, this really looks like a genuine natural progression of how lunar colonization will look in the centuries to come. I imagine there’s vastly more space built out under the surface considering tens of millions live on Luna at this point.
Just love The Expanse !
I'm guessing Amos says that entering a lotta places...
This beautiful scene is a true masterpiece. Actually this whole CULT series is.
The Expanse follows real science pretty well. Better than any before. That's one reason I like it.
“First of all I didn’t start it. Second of all they were all alive when I walked out.”
LOL ❤...
conversations occurring in the proper manner in the order avoid such realities and preclude such statements.
Hence a timely friendly escort... 🦅
This gets you a new follow.
I wonder how the interrior of a TR-3B looks like
for passengers?
Expect functional....dark. Like in a B2 Bomber I guess, a hatch, 4 bunks, small food supply station like on the ISS,
astronaut gear room, maybe 2 quarters, upper engineering room above some fusion reactor...
Depends for what these crafts are used for. Inguess some are for battle, strategic, cargo transport.
Still wonder why triangular and not round, like saucers?
Perhaps to stick together making a hexagon.
Meaning that at the front sides might be hatches to connect to each other.
Cool would be if they a have also psichic stations beside Pilot, Co-Pilot / weapon officer / Engineer / Mission specialists,
with some mind helmet thing.
Wonder how the mental & character is of the crew.
Like USAF Pilots Inguess...
I am a big fan of super yachts and passionate about interrior designs.
I think that the more a place is remote, the more it should be very comfortable and pleasing
to conpensate the harsh enviroment situation on longer periods...
But I take it as it is ... and look forward some day to experience a flight to other space places....
He is that guy!
i got a 2001 vibe from this
Imagine the SpaceX Starship landing like this in a few years :D
the NASA HLS Starship would land indeed looking like this, with raptor engines cutting off at low altitude and RCS thrusters taking it in for touchdown
I'd love to see it, but, there is a reason that the idea was abandoned in the 60's of having one upright lander: it was unstable to land and the engines had to reliability relight. I'm not saying it's not possible with today's computers and engine technology, but it is a little more complicated than hype-men like Musk would like to admit ..
I miss Amos.
This place looks like the Moon Mall.
That's exactly the first thing you say to the police if they talk to you.
Only problem is the gravity.
Sure hope that the outside of that ship never gets near any insides where people live, since it's going to be carrying mesothelioma dust forever
Any sort of lunar city wouldn't look like that. You would be seeing them building inside of craters and mostly underground as a means to combat solar radiation.
Is there any explanation as to how they manage to walk around like they're on Earth?
Nah, I think it's because they didn't want to have people act floaty all the time. Same with 1/3rd grav on stations and during spaceflight, they move like 1G
@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming they attached some rocket engines to the moon and put it rotation. :D
@@Juidodin But that would make the gravity feel even less than it is. They are standing on the exterior so spinning it faster would going them away harder as well as making the surface much more earthquake-prone cause you are messing with an entire moon's rock. The only way to get more gravity would be to slow its spin over at least a decade, but that would mess with Earth's tides as well as making the moon not tidally locked anymore (it would work it's way back over a long time).
@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming thx captain obvious :D
Budget
Why is everything blue and darkened in modern TV shows and movies? Was there a sale of blue filters in Hollywood a few years ago?
The gravity is all wrong.
What's the name of the music?
Docking at Lovell City
the rocket coming in, this is what Elon musk is building, this is what we can build on going forward. this can happen in the next 30 years.
Very basic CGI
Very basic comment
@@mikkel066h Very basic reply.
@@SB111058 Very basic reply to my reply of your comment
@@mikkel066h Basically, yes..
*blonde haired girlfriend who cooks chicken alfredo every date steps into chat*
Did someone say basic?