Female Antisocial Personality Disorder Psychiatric Interview No. 1 Evaluation
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Young woman displays antisocial and impulsive behavior. History includes promiscuity, illegitimate pregnancies, lesbianism, multiple marriage, drug addiction, theft, and bad-check passing. In addition during withdrawal from drugs, she has had epidoses of psychosis. Also see Interview No. 9
I get the feeling that she was a lesbian and afraid to talk to anyone about it - and back then that was considered a disorder that needed treatment compared to what we now know. What a crying shame. She was not a sick person, she was just a frightened person.
She was not afraid to express who she was. Just because she is masculine does not make her gay.
@Mamaboo cee she certainly has an unusual appearance for the era. If gay, she'd keep it secret as it was a societal taboo.
Interesting video. Interesting woman.
@@mooreandless right? I agree.
@@glendathegoodwitch6987 true, true. I did post that was haw I felt, because that then, even admitting being gay to one's self was socially surpressed. I am a bit like her. I identify female, born female but I am a bit masculine. I just felt that the way she was back then was not "socially acceptable" - which was just awful - no matter how you identify. She was her own individual self In a stupid "cookie cutter" world and gay or not it was hard to be so individual. Maybe today she would have had an easier time identifying, gay or not.
And she was definitely a strong person to hold together under the enormous pressure of her illness as well as her beautiful (yet different for the time) individuality.
My thoughts exactly. Voice, body language, hairstyle and clothing......
She seems more competent than the general population these days.
She wasn't delusional or anti social. She was gay. They forced her to wear a dress, grow out her hair and remarry.
Which is alarming and troublesome for us.
@@unclesham5507
Public education is the reason our grandparents could read and write.
@@Thorny_Misanthrope that is patently end expressly FALSE actually. Edify yourself.
I’ll say.
This is not a narcissist. This is the survivor of a narcissist. I like how quiet they both are. No raised voices.
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I THOUGHT THAT TOO. HER HUSBAND IS THE NARC AND FLIPPED IT ALL ON HER.
HER FAMILY WERE ALL VASTARD NARCS!!!
a narcissist doesn’t always raise their voice. Not an indication that they are not narcissists.
Aspd is not Narcissism
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The mother saying “you’re exactly like your father”. Cannot underestimate the damage that causes to how a growing person develops
Yep. The entire thing screams maternal abuse.
My mother said that to me all the time but I take it as a compliment
@@HAYAOLEONE but yes, its definitely abuse. My mother was very abusive
@@shaskins15 I'm happy for you.
Be well.
@The mysterious Miss X you're very angry. Have you ever tried counseling, therapy?
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Wow. Thank you for sharing.
@@amym4208
Well done and I hope you have had a successful life so far
I wish you the best.
Thank you for telling your story
The immense sadness coming from her is so evident to me. She seems raw and straight forward not like a sociopath
true.... and then look at thje interview number 9, she is "cured" and turned into a caricature of a would-be steford wife... they cured her of being herself and had her CON-form, and CON-trol her impulses... oh they cured the gay away the barstewards!
If she's sad,I'm the daddy
She was Sixteen when she was married?! That was back when you were expected to be married before having sex.
She doesn’t strike me as having Anti-social PD whatsoever.🤷🏻♀️ They used to lock women up in institutions for simply not conforming to society’s expectations of a woman. Her body-language & dress was more masculine-presenting, for that time especially.
Wonder what her childhood & family were like? They used to always focus on the child who was scapegoated w/out ever evaluating the family or origin.
One of the hallmarks of psychopathy/sociopathy is their acting skills. They read the room and audience, and adjust the act accordingly. You simply cannot rely upon the honesty of someone with a sociopathic or psychopathic personality.
Oh wow. When she said "I got some fine boys" I literally just started crying.
My mother was given shock treatment before she was even 18 years old. She died by suicide at 23. I was 4.
Aww stay strong you sweet little thing.
I'm so sorry.
I’m so so sorry :big hugs:
I'm so sorry.
This is so interesting. I feel for this lady. I've sought refuge in mental hospitals cos they didn't know what else to do with me.xx
“Fine when she’s not home” says a great deal. I know as an abused child, life was good until I saw my father’s car in the driveway.
So true. Same here.
Exactly what I experienced. My father brought great negativity into the house once he came home from work
Lucky me, I guess. I would always hear my dad's piece of shit car from a block away 😅
We dreaded 3:50 pm. That’s when we heard his car in the driveway. He came home in a rampage against us.
Boy I understand the latter of your comment.
Coming home with his car not there was like winning the lottery. I didn't hate him just didn't want to deal with him.
Her mother has made a good job of convincing everyone that this poor woman was the mad one,thats how evil and calculating the real psychos are.
Amber Heard Alert.
Actually, the clinicians carry full responsibility for their false conclusions. They're supposed to breach the nonsense, but even today completely fail to.
@@gessie Wow, that's a very enlightening way to look at it, I like your take on the issue.
Her mother sounds like a ripe old narcissist. Narcissists always end up leaving those around them needing the psychological help.
Truth
She’s 21, and she said she’s carried 6 pregnancies to term. So at best she was 15 with her first pregnancy, probably younger. I hope she found some peace in life and her babies found safe homes.
2 were stillborn and one died shortly after birth.
Several died.
And the mother is currently caring for I think two of them so that means they're being molested just like this lady was
She said her two kids she has now are w the grandma, then she had two still born, one died shortly after birth, one was adopted out, then the twins were adopted out...that makes seven pregnancies
@@sunnymcalister2366 When did she say she was molesed?? You're sick!
@@mannybravo237 70's.
She lost 3 babies and gave up 3.I believe she is grieving the separation from her children. That's difficult to go through and isn't something you "get over" My heart goes out to her.
She miscounted, she has 8 and all by the age of 21!! Losing 1 baby is bad enough, but to lose 3!! Only then to have 3 more adopted out. Poor thing, that'd push me right over the edge
She's 21 and all those pregnancies ?
@@3passionflower Yes, 8 pregnancies? 2 were stillborn, 1 passed after birth, gave a single and a set of twins for adoption and was living with 2 who are 3 and 4. If true, she's been through hard times that would exacerbate her mental illness. I wonder what happened to the 2 she kept and to her 💔🙏🏼🛐
yes. My mum lost three before me. Then lost another one when I was 7. Gave birth to my sister when I was 8.
This is definitely enough to destroy someone. It’s painful and sad. Nothing is in color. Everything feels dead.
If she were diagnosed today they would say she's suffering from PTSD not ASPD. Everything she says and does is a trauma response. I'm in awe of how well she is holding up considering what she must have been through.
No she would be diagnosed as bipolar.... They would take the fact that she's impulsive, the fact that she doesn't remember emotional events or anything tied to a strong emotion, they would also look at the fact that she is antisocial, they would look at the fact that she prefers others to control her life; which is what she meant by "I feel better when I'm locked up" that's because she doesn't have to make any decisions or be responsible because somebody else is doing it for her. I would say that speaks to the probability that she has a narcissistic mother(person she tends to have issues with) that isolated her from others and controlled every single thing about her life and then when she became of age, she lost her damn mind in a sense and started acting impulsively because she was free and wanted to experience shit, and with a childhood the way she had it there was no way she could make smart choices out of impulsive ones. Instead of actually trying to come up with a treatment plan that might actually help her and reintegrate her into society, they would just going to treat her with a bunch of medications and turn what could possibly be something curable into a lifelong condition. Just like they did in that time. The field (psychology) itself concretes it into a mental illness, instead of a treatable condition.
Antisocial personality disorder comes with intentional harm to others today...so you are right she wouldn't be diagnosed with antisocial personality.
Aspd can be a trauma response, as with all mental disorders
those aren't mutually exclusive
She's incredibly intelligent and highly resilient and I can't fathom what she must have gone through.
There is no way that this person is anti social or even narcissistic. She took full accountability for her pregnancies. She checked herself into the hospital and asked for treatments in hopes they would help. Prefers being “locked up” to being at home. It’s such a contrast to what we know about APD now.
She took accountability for her pregnancies? Those times she magically got herself pregnant.. ..all by herself, of course.. ..no one else involved of course! 🤔🙄🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
@@karenturner8739oh, Karen.
@karenturner8739 that’s not what they meant by accountability.🙄
Remember that this was the era where women getting divorced was considered a travesty, and women were looked down on because of it. That it was somehow their fault. This lady would probably fit right in with todays society.
She is ashamed, this is how most women should feel when she is a degenerate. Too bad our society teaches them otherwise today.
Heartbreaking video. The vulnerability and hurt of a wounded child is evident in her every word. God bless her wherever she is.
I've watched both interviews. This woman is obviously of above average intelligence and more self aware and introspective than the average person. I wonder how her life eventually turned out.
I just saw there’s a follow up video. Haven’t watched it yet, but by the picture she’s smiling and looks better.
How is she above high intelligence. She answers simple questions
@@deniseblu297 If you have to ask, you wouldn't get it.
@@meiphukingdiqqsays the individual without an answer
@@ahuramazda32 The intelligence is self evident to others of intelligence. If you can't see it, then that's on you.
We've come a long way and we have so far to go. This poor girl carries so much shame and is convinced she's crazy, when in fact she seems repressed an d misunderstood. Something went horribly wrong in her childhood.
Wait, let's not forget there was criminal behavior. She stole a car.
You read this wrong lol. She knows better but she doesn't care.
She said her childhood was nice.
Not too mention all of the postpartum she has suffered. 😁
I wonder if she suffered physical abuse as well as sexual abuse.
Her honesty is refreshing in a world of lies.
Honesty. She has no feelings. Thinks only of herself. And lies. No woman forgets their stillborn children.
You really think she's telling the truth?
I so wish he would have asked her, what do you think what's wrong with the common person, the way people look at life. What kind of world would be perfect if people were ? What kind of world would you like to live in. Do you feel something needs to change to be complete, or do people just don't understand your way of thinking? I feel attracted to you, how do you feel about that. How do you feel about me, do you feel anything. I sure feel a lot of things about you, does it matter any at all. Thank you so much for sharing.
@@jefferydowler4655 Have you seen the second part Jeffery? Maybe some of your questions are covered in that part. I haven't had time to watch it yet.
@@robynandrews4384 Yes, I've been watching it. She sure has lived a pretty wild life, but us old timers just call it going down fool's hill. When this part was filmed she had married and had two boys, big house on 180 acres, 11 miles outside of town. She said it was peaceful, and her husband knows about mental illness because of his mother. He works hard and makes good money and her life has changed, and she is much happier now, and he understands her up's and downtime and takes care of her, and she likes that, to be taken care of. Good for her, she finds her self making better choices now… Nice.
I wonder if “promiscuity” and “illegitimate children” were also considered pathological for men during this time... 🙄
Lol 😂 in ANY time ☕
Girls were absolutely admitted to our local psych unit for pregnancy or premarital sex. When the hospital closed, they were too institutionalized to be released. Tragic.
men take no responsibility for causing pregnancy and they aren't expected to do anything about it. that's why there are aloof of single moms
Well, its still not smart, mature or a successfull way of living whatsoever
thank you
How sad, she is being treated like a freak but she is not a freak. Shes broken. Broken.
This guy asks incredible questions and he’s calm, but firm. He doesn’t really let her evade on answers, but isn’t aggressive about it at all, it’s pretty brilliant! Therapist today need to take notes on this guy!
It's wonderful to read doctoral level psychology books printed before the 1950s. Sadly, today the general population doesn't understand what the general population understood about much psychoanalytic theory in the 1950s.
The only downside with it being attempted in this day and age, is the firmness and genuine inquisition on one’s thought processes, and the therapist’s genuine determination for the patient’s well being.
I think he’s the same guy that did patient 18 s interview
"@corycherrier4743" This was so long ago.
I am a therapist and was trained to do an interview almost exactly like that. I knew what question should be asked as he was asking them. He did a great job, very fluid. This is only a very short portion of an interview. He didn't cover the sexual history, any interests or resilience, and specific symptoms when not under the influence of substances, but this didn't appear to be the whole interview. Very interesting.
This woman is very articulate and probably highly intelligent, but highly abused.
Yes, most likely sexually abused as a child.
Just because she's mentally ill makes her more susceptible to abuse.
And highly abusive. She's a criminal.
Not all bad women are "abused". How about allowing females to have some agency and responsibility of their own, and acknowledging that some women are either metally ill, have a personality disorder, or are just plain "bad", without having been abused.
@@toddforhetz Exactly, humans can be bad and 50% of humans are female. Hasn't feminism's brainwashing achieved its aim!
She said she feels better when she's locked up. I once told someone the only time I felt truly happy was when I was in an insane asylum. It's because by in large the outside world is a madhouse! To get away from it from a while is to find peace ❤️
Her deep, deep sadness prevades her personality... i wish her the best
She has a very detailed memory except when it’s about her emotions. It makes me believe she has sustained a lot of emotional trauma. I am pretty sure her mother is a narcissist, and she scapegoated her because she was “just like her father” also it’s a really abusive thing to say to your child. Being in the hospital made her feel safe.
Spot on. I agree
Yes. Exactly.
I'm not sure, it might be a comfort thing. She might have been anti social with family because they abused her in some way. Then she could be feeling more comfortable/social around people she feels are souly their to help. I'm not a psychologist but I do understand how abuse changes someone. Just the feeling that you're in a safe place is enough to make you feel like you can finally breathe. 🥺
Exactly
Well losing babies - obviously traumatic. And did males exhibiting this behaviour get committed as well?
I applaud this woman for seeking out treatment. Especially in 1959!
I don't think for one minute this lady has a personality disorder. I see a very troubled young lady who has had a lifetime of emotional abuse. She is probably struggling with depression, ptsd and very low self esteem.
How do you know its 1959 ??
@@lenb7275 I believe the year is mentioned in the interview somewhere or on the video beforehand.
@@darcygilbert1353 she said she was 15 in ' 51 age 21 she said she was so that would be 1957 , so she was born in 1936 !
@@lenb7275 She said she was 15 in 1951, so if she was born in 1936 and she's 21 at the time of the interview, I get 1957.
She is a very bright, direct person. I sense tremendous pain and sadness. Incredibly brave. Given the period when this was recorded, I wonder if she is really psychotic rather than extremely depressed and lonely. Quite a series of experiences for a 21-year-old. Two marriages and more kids than she can accurately recall having.
I really appreciate the kindness and serenity the man is giving off. I've had my own time at a psych ward. This kind of person really helps the process. I had an attempt in 2019. The ladies at that facility were so incredibly warm and comforting and helpful. I will never forget them.
It’s the nurturing she needs that makes her feel safer pregnant and locked up. This is signs of childhood abuse. Bless her soul.
Such an easy androgyny...Masculine gestures and appearance, but a gentleness and and a woundedness. Her mother stomped her soul. A wonder and a blessing that she's as rational as she is.
Well said
@@PabloDiablo682 Thank you, Paul.
I noticed that too, I thought that maybe she's gay, but I think it has more to do with trying to appear masculine to protect herself. A man was interviewing her, and she spoke with him in a manner like they were 2 men talking, she sat like a man, held her head like a man, showed very masculine facial gestures.
She is an actor displaying symptoms for the school of psychology. Read the screen at the beginning.
@@SydMountaineer
This is a sexist assessment. Assigning a sex to those gestures and behaviors is wrong and sexist.
I love this interviewer. He's so patient and asks great questions.
No matter what era it is, this is still going strong today. Some things never change. I find this footage fascinating and sad. I can tell she's very lonely, depressed and feels isolated because she is not free to be who she really is. Imagine the stigma of being a lesbian or bisexual back then. I wonder whatever happened to her. 😢
She recovered well, she did another interview and she's wearing a lovely dress and is smiling and happy, I still think she's a closet lesbian though
I myself am heterosexual but not to be who you are or what to be is so very sad, people can be so cruel and judgemental. People should be able & feel confident to live there lives, feeling comfortable and happy within there bodies ❤ without criticism & people being judgemental towards there sexuality, there not harming anybody. ❤
She's highly intelligent and on point. Her naivete in hoping shock treatment would help her is tragic in that she expected a thorough intensive follow up of psychiatric care which she never got. She never blasts her Mom. She takes responsibility for her part abd just tells it like it is. Her integrity in being honest about her past is flawless. Extraordinary young lady.
Clearly, she was abused by a Mother who didn't want to meet her needs for love and attention for the darling girl she was. Absent father. She was a scapegoat. She is absolutely amazing and fascinating.
I wonder if she’s alive
As a sociopath she wanted the shock treatment for the thrill not to be healed.
😮 shock therapy was actually very effective in many cases. It created a reset of the brain, so to speak. Drs. Still do it today but they administer it more commonly through drugs (by inducing a chemical epileptic fit).
Very articulate for such a young woman, wish you the best in your life today.
The psychologist has a great, soothing voice to draw out the woman's most intimate feelings; he doesn't let too much time go between questions, keeping total eye contact with her, not looking at or writing down notes, totally engaged, trying to put her at ease and succeeding more than normal it would seem with a woman who's mostly closed off to all social contact. There is something very dramatic about these 1950's, early 60's psychiatric interviews that make them almost haunting....the stark black and white film, the room, etc.
The mastery of 'tell me more about ...' and 'what else?' . Open ended enough for her to feel safe enough to explain what she saw.
the man asked her why she feels better when she's "locked up".....I'd imagine it's because she feels SAFE
I just watched the follow up interview, 5 years later - she was only 19/20 in this interview she had been through so much. Such an articulate woman just trying to live her life in a society that wanted her to live another way. Heartbreaking.
Is the follow up video on this channel
Could you post the link for the other interview with her?
Is it possible for you to link to the follow up video, please 🙏
th-cam.com/video/QcIRSEnC4L8/w-d-xo.html
It keeps removing the link for some reason, if it happens again search for patient 1 & it’s a colour video & you’ll recognise her. It’s still haunting me, she was just born in the wrong time & place. 😢
About broke my heart when she called her dad "irresponsible but not bad". She deserved the same understanding and compassion
If they ever made a movie about this woman’s life, 100% they should cast Kristen Stewart. I’m not super fond of her as an actress, but I think she’d nail this woman’s mannerisms, cadence, and tone. I would absolutely watch it.
I was thinking the same thing!
Interesting interview. So many variables. She does display willful self-defiance, has had multiple arrests, spent time in institutions, many pregnancies and is just 21. Given the generation this takes place in, the stigma of mental illness, the lack of psychiatric knowledge (still using shock treatment) and ignorance of her parents contributed to this terrible storm. She presents quite intelligent and admits herself into the hospital. Admitted oneself to a hospital AND requesting their own shock treatment is RARE for someone that is insane. I struggle with how much the therapist is talking? Perhaps putting “ideas” in her head? Again, she presents very intelligent, defiant and manipulative of those around her and the system back then. I do question the abuse theory with her? She prefers the structure of being in a hospital. Being cared for, meals and bed given to her. She is very insightful to her own mental health. Very puzzling
By today’s standards, she seems more together than most young adults her age are now. She’s a little shy, well spoken and a bit wounded by her mother’s harshness. I hope she went on to live a happy life with her beloved boys.
What makes you think she has it together? Is it the 2.5 months in hospital or the six pregnancies or the two failed marriages at age 21?
Maybe she was doing it all as she was trying to escape from her Mother. She was trying to find her own life but unsure how to do it.
@@user-sf4sj1in3sShe says her mother is a very nice person and her mother looked after her children when she took off to live on Venice Beach and do drugs, steal cars and shoot people.
@@user-sf4sj1in3s. Promiscuity at a young age is usually a result of some sort of S.A
Not a chance. Back then she would have been tormented forever for being gay.
I think, when she said that her mom began telling her that she was crazy when she was just a little kid says all we need to know about what happened to this sad lady. Everything she did or became was natures reaction to the insane abuse that started when she was an innocent toddler.
The matter of fact answers are incredible. As a medical professional myself, I love these videos, love human behavior.
So she's around 65yrs old now. I wish they could track them down and see how they're doing now. Did she finally find a partner? She seems well adjusted; but dealing with psychic gifts, anxiety, stress, lack of guidance, and some bad choices from addiction. But she's not antisocial. It's also incredible to see a classic lesbian again since they started 'becoming rare' expression wise in the early 2000's. Now that gender lines are often no longer distinct among LGBTQ people, classic lesbians are few and far between. There's a certain energy of LGBTQ people born in the 1900's. I miss that. There's a beauty to classic lesbians that has nearly disappeared from all the gender blending. I hope gender expression makes a strong comeback in the next few decades. We often don't know how beautiful these sacred expressions are until they're already gone.
She fascinates me, especially in light of the follow up video where she's a PTA mom and feels a deep sense of obligation to her children. She's a very complex character. I'd bet anything she had a narcissistic/histrionic mother.
Her transformation between the two interviews is shocking. I think her husband and his acceptance of her past is exactly the right support she was missing to find peace. Marrying him seems to have been the "turning point" in her learning to control those negative impulses and gave her the courage to be a mother and acknowledge responsiblies. She is remarkably strong and I applaud her refusal to conform to what society expects, even after becoming a PTA mom and waking each morning to iron her husband's shirts. I wish I knew her.
@@chipmonkies79 I was thinking the same thing, I would love to have known her.
I think a great deal of her issues stem from her parents!
Usually anti-social personality is related to narcissist traits, very complex humans to say the least. One minute you're the love of their life and next with theirs own options risk everything you have together, leave you with NOTHING. With theirs actions come consequences and you want nothing to do with them ever...the feeling is completely gone and you hate them equal with no respect what so ever and you notice their reputation precede them. THEY'RE NEVERRRR HAPPPPPY!!!
Where is the follow up interview
She doesn’t seem to have anti social personality disorder. I’m not a therapist; yet to me instinctively she seems to have complex PTSD. ❤
No, she's a sociopath you can tell by the stare. They're really good at playing the victim.
She's had multiple ECT,'s the last one a few days previously. Plus, she's probably on some pretty heavy meds. And let's not forget, the DSM-I for this era would categorize her lesbianism as a “sociopathic personality disturbance” that could be cured. I can't imagine the stigma and shame she endured.
Sociopathy is a response to childhood trauma so there is an underlying CPTSD
Well if you're not a therapist and how do you know?
She has trouble describing her feelings. ITs why the therapist keeps asking how she feels. Antisocial personality disorder and cluster b personalities are not in touch with their feelings they are not able to describe them or empathise with others. She can articulate feelings of sorry or disappointment but only when it relates to herself and not others. She is pretty flat lined in her responses and remains factual. she doesnt emote at all except for the odd smirk. You could interpret those as dupers delight.
She admires her father and it was interesting how the psychiatrist picked on this and didnt let it go. If she had admitted her father was bad, then she would have to admit she was too. But she couldnt do that as she likes being just like him.
I have CPTSD and disassociative disorder, trust me it doesnt look like this
Sure she feels best when in the hospital. Where she gets unconditional care, nurturing, understanding, respect. Gets a break from being a young divorced mom of 3 all by herself. ❤
I am so sad for this woman! Sending hugs! Where ever she is!
My heart breaks that she was only 21 and had been through so many things! So empty, so lost... :(
you should watch the Interview No.9, she turned out fine. She is strong.
You should see the follow up
She is a sociopath and has neglect about 6-7 of her kids, stolen vehicles and been in trouble with the police. She has a smug grin on her face and is only talking now because she has no choice. She can't change her spots even though she may learn to show respect for people in her future.
@@phandinhthanh2295 That is impossible -- There is no cure but she has improved significantly.
@@MICKEYISLOWD she really could be used as an argument for sterilization. I wonder if since she would feel "better" while pregnant what kind of affect the pill would have on her.
She must have had a horrible, soul-killing childhood. So hard to overcome.
How would you know this information
@@johnnysunrocket8618 Listen to what she says about her mother. Some people recognize the destructive family dynamic and some people don't. (That's you.)No child gets messed up in this way on their own.
@@trex3003 I disagree. There could be any number of explanations for her nearly catatonic relationship with life. She's attentive, thoughtful, patient, and well spoken. Not the sort of thing that usually comes from early trauma.
She admits that she's had a history with mental facilities and their 50's style medical treatment, and she's navigating her way around the questions...
@@seanmolloy9297 If you look up the comments someone copied in that she had sexual relations with family members, Grandfather and Uncle and hint at more, it is not hard for me to understand exactly what's gone on here with this poor woman! I know someone who was severely and horrifying sexually abused as a child and you would never ever know meeting her, she is reflective, aware and manages her life amazingly well!
@@seanmolloy9297 Furthermore, early childhood trauma becomes embedded and normal life to the person with the trauma, additionally many sexually abused and traumatized people either repress, disassociate or normalize their abuse. This is why it is of epidemic proportions in our society because the awareness of it and it's effects is very poorly understood. I wouldn't be surprised at all the read somewhere that her mother was the enabler and may even have known about the abuse and in order to cover up the family shame made her the scapegoat! I read about this stuff everyday and also have my own live experience of the toxic family and the flying monkeys!
Imagine diagnosing a young woman that's constantly pregnant and probably comes from an unstable, crazy home -- and probably using all kinds of drugs
She seems like a nice lady. I admire her confidence and regardless if she was a lesbian or not, I don’t think society nor her mother treated her with the love and respect she needed. I hope she reunited with her kids and is happy wherever she is❤️
this is less about her being anti-social, and more about society being anti-her, i think. imagine how many people were institutionalized for just being themselves or reacting against the injustices of the world around them. i'm glad we've progressed somewhat.
Actually not really. We're worse than before. Anyone who dares speak their opinion that does not 100% align with some official narrative or what the tribalistic masses deem acceptable, witch hunts are sent after them. Doxing, bullying, death threats, harassment, shaming, attempting to threaten livelihoods or worse...
The more things change the more they stay the same.
This is a great way to put it
What about the drug abuse, marriages, theft, etc etc etc?
That’s a laundry list of bad behaviors, not “society simply not accepting her”…
Like, if a child becomes violent, they go in time-out. Basic stuff…
Absolutely!
There hasn't been any progress at all
This woman has experienced a great deal of truama and emotional neglect. Then, when she finally had a breakdown, the same people who caused this trauma have her committed and call her crazy...its clear she has completely disassociated from her own emotions as a self protection measure.
@Michael Scofield might be, the current research supports the idea that narcissist personalities develop from trauma and neglect in childhood, the title of the movie suggests that she is diagnosed with bpd, which holds many of the same traits as narcissistic personality disorder and from listening to her speak about her mothers behavior it is possible that she is narsasistic as an adult because she was raised by a mother with those tendencies and a father who was rarely present. I dont doubt that this woman has some kind of npd, but i don't know if she would have wound up in the hospital with a more stable nurturing upbringing
She has bipolar and a personality disorder or she doesn’t. There’s no “ breakdown “ .
@@josephososkie3029 please do some research, you look silly
@@allisonharranmua8193 when do you use “;breakdown” as a clinical term?
Exactly!!
Such an intelligent and articulate woman. I like her very much and I wish we knew what became of the rest of her life.
I feel for her. I hope she received the care she needed. She is a very insightful and intelligent lady.
Poor little thing, she is really beautiful and I'm guessing No one has never told her anything nice about herself... you can tell she has been terribly abused. My heart cries for her...
I think they used to view "promiscuity, illegitimate pregnancies, lesbianism, multiple marriage, drug addiction, theft, and bad-check passing" as confirming antisocial personality disorder. It can also indicate BPD, but now there are some researchers that feel that the BPD diagnosis is itself masking trauma or PTSD. All of these are best-available labels for complex situations of human lives, which are themselves complex and fragile.
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Why are you going round commenting on this on a bunch of people's comments?
@@AimeeColeman Are you talking to me, or to the dude above who is trying to Get to Know Me?
Your comment is spot on!
@@alexandrafar9400she prob means the guy who commented above u. If u click on his user id it shows he’s leaving the same comment several places in the comment section of this video. Kinda creepy…
I absolutely love that they had a follow up on her.. same man interviewed her.. she actually found a really great man and married him and she was doing really well and they raised her children together ❤ she seems so happy in the newer video.. all those years of therapy and all she needed was some love, patience and compassion..
Yeah....that's not the case at all! Read the book 'Splitting: a case of female masculinity' written by the man interviewing (Robert J stoller) and the whole book is based on his years-long therapy sessions with this woman. It was written a few years after the follow up interview!
LOL, the conversation between those two was more civilized, sane and productive than any convo I had with my parents ever was.
Poor young woman. Her family telling her she's crazy. You can hear something so many times that you start to believe it; especially at a young age. Alcoholic absent father growing up and mother telling her she's just like him. Very damaging. She's been looking for love and acceptance from the wrong people. Words are powerful! You can build someone up or fear someone down. We need to be kinder to others. We do now the battles they deal with. 💜
Right. And many times back then women were labeled 'crazy' if they didn't follow the strict rules of being a perfect wife, listening and following husbands rules, cooking, cleaning, caring for children and following all the rules without complaining. Otherwise shes a problem
Wow, I have personally met individuals with antisocial personality disorder, and I am just not connecting, and/or believing the label she was given! “Crazy; “antisocial personality disorder?” ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!!!!👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
@@jennifers.3818 You watch too many movies. Ridiculous.
@@jennifers.3818 100 % agree
God sounds filmular!! ...what ur saying hunny xxx I still having problems now..in process of being diagnosed as HADHA.. (Adult) .. I not this bad.. as lucky support and 👪 and friends... even tho i moan I very blessed..feel I really do xx
I’m impressed that she is so articulate especially having been shocked a day before the interview.
We should be shocked at our own educational and social decline.
articulate!? I wonder what baseline you are using. This subject fails to articulate basic feelings towards her parents, children, or personal circumstances. The interviewer literally has to drag answers out of her.
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How would you feel if you were being interviewed at 21 while you were locked up in a psychiatric ward.
All of us might be a little on guard.
@@mikeoveli1028 Her Mother should probably been the one being there for shock treatments.
@@vikingdogmanship
And daddy.
This is an eye opener for the many who get to see. Nothing is new Ya'll they had her on probation, treatment, she an addiction. This is an awesome video .
It would be extremely interesting to see her interviewed, or just her opening up and speaking about her life later on when she was a great deal older. That would be really incredible to witness. Especially if she was able to speak more openly and from the perspective after she'd matured in life more.
There’s a f-up vid.
This girl today would be 85 years old. I wonder if she is still alive and how her life was. She's very intelligent and insightful. If she had been given a chance and the support, she could have made something of herself.
I can't find it. Can you send me the link?
@@Robinicat th-cam.com/video/QcIRSEnC4L8/w-d-xo.html
Her life was terrible. You never fully overcome that kind of trauma. It stays with you until you die.
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@@Robinicat Here ya go....
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She’s been affected by trauma. I am curious as to why she was pregnant so many times as a teen and why she married twice so young. Just losing all those children to stillbirth, and forced adoption would be traumatizing. 10-15 shock treatments that she asked for? Could be self harm common in CPTSD. You can definitely tell that her paradigm and the paradigm at the time was the person is the problem and not the problem is the problem.
Many questions unanswered! She is like a lost child!
I’m guessing her brothers had something to do with her pregnancies.
@@katieandnick4113 that's a large assumption to make, no? she even says 'i knew what i was doing- i know where babies come from'
Escaping her mother. Obviously.
Having kids marked the *the clear* passage into independent adulthood. Therefore justifying leaving the family house 'no questions asked' from relatives/locals.
Hi there , possibly she married as she had had to copulate with whomever she was told to; in order to hide some culprit .. Marry in the same order,,.. do as I say. Women were powerless.
Very well articulated, She was able to express thoughts and feelings easily and clearly, showing this quality: an intelligent and highly articulate young woman. She's beautiful
Her grief is palpable. My heart hurts for her.
OMG, this poor woman! She's 21 and has had 2 stillborn birth, 1 after birth death, 1 adopted child, twin adopted children and the two that are with her. And has been married twice. She is a victim of her circumstances. She was pushed by society to marry and have children, because that's what females did. She probably has suffered from sexual and/or physical abuse. Maybe she's a lesbian. Regardless, she's been through an awful lot at such a young age. And yet, she's very articulate and clearly intelligent. Nothing wrong with this woman except the decade she was born.
Yep. Women were expected to marry back then. If you were 25 and not married, you were considered very weird and an "old maid."
I think your right also I commented saying I agreed with others saying she isn’t anti social or displaying the traits but none of us or me at least is a psychologist but I think you definitely on the right track
@@JohnSmith-ys4nl that’s so different then today
I was thinking she might’ve been a lesbian as well.
Or maybe she’s full of shit too
She is extremely brave to do this. To come forward and lay all that out like that. Completely bare. For all to see. So inspiring!
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
I am a recovering alcoholic/addict and so much of her before and after life reminds me of before and after sobriety for me..... Sober now 36 years, it's like looking back in time for me
She seems so polite and a genuine person. It looks like she was raised in a toxic environment and she has done what any young person with disfunction does. Back jn the day as well as today, they label someone a little too quick. She just needed to sort out her like like everyone else. I hope she grew to have a great life.
that doesn't make her antisocial, but sure didn't help, it is an illness the DSM says so, a medical diagnosis manual for the mental illnesses
She seems fine, no violence against others. "They turn you into a monster, then they call you one."
She was very clearly abused from early childhood. I recognize the signs. Severe hatred from her mother translated to her siblings and she was convinced their view of her is the correct one. It became a self-fulfilling prophesy. Poor sweetheart!
@Michael Scofield I recognize the key things she is saying. She was not loved by her mother, that is very clear. If you had lived through that kind of abuse you, yourself, would recognize it instantly.
She got married at 16, She had several pregnancies, a child adopted (maybe not what she wanted), gave birth to twins, and two husbands walk out on her. No wonder she was finding life difficult.
After seeing the later interview with her at age 25, it's good to see she found some type of stability and peace.
For being mentally ill she is composed and far more articulate than a lot of 21 year olds today. The doctor asked excellent questions to get her speaking and thoughtful follow up probes. Much better than journalists today with politicians.
Personality disorders are not the same as mental health issues. They are learned behaviors. Jut like politicians.
When this was filmed, media didn't have to worry about getting clicks.
@@x73. Personality disorders are mental health issues by definition. In most cases they are a response to a childhood trauma but there's a genetic component to it as well.
@@x73. They literally are mental health issues.
That‘s because not answering properly when a person in authority asks a question would not have been acceptable.
So sad. Even though this interview took place 60 years ago, human sympathy just erases the years.
She sits before us as if it’s today.
Crazy
@@shewholaughslast No one is disputing that fact. I don’t know why you felt you had to write that.
@@shewholaughslastdumb reply that had nothing to do with the comment
This might be the best comment I've ever read on TH-cam.
She's very self aware. And honestly this sounds like her mom has more issues than she does. I feel for her, she was just misunderstood by her family and then made to believe she was the issue. 😢
This is another very sad story on persons with mental health issues. This lady must feel so safe & secure in herself, when she spends time in mental hospitals. What a great listener is this Doctor and sometimes that plays a major part in treatment. ❤
This woman would NEVER be diagnosed today as being antisocial. Shows a lot of signs of crap upbringing.
True but being a piece of crap person is acceptable today and out society has gone to hell.
uh antisocial doesnt mean shes a bad person or anything. its just the inabbility to maintain relationships that she spends the whole video talking about. being diagnosed is also not a bad thing. and yea, crap upbringing often leads to personality disorders. whodathunk
She just said she didnt feel close to her husband nor did she have any feelings toward him. Youre an idiot. Anti social doesnt mean shes evil or something. It just means she has emotionall detachment issues and trouble feeling things.
Right🤝🏽
100 % agree .
Plenty of sexual abuse occurred way back when and when the kids acted out as a result, or god forbid, tell someone in the family, a lot of the time they were locked up. This could explain the pregnancies and possibly much more.
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Here we go..
@@HAYAOLEONE què? where are we going?
@@CLEFT3000 your safe space / your cave
@@HAYAOLEONE ok?
I have Complex PTSD due to the emotional abuse inflicted by my father & my siblings physically picking on me. I was picked on by schoolmates & groped against my will in high school. When I was in my 20s I had a dissociative episode which scared me but I didn’t tell anyone because I was afraid of their response. My mother was a single parent after our parents divorced and after years of struggle she became short of patience & would yell & call us names when we were in trouble. As the oldest I was treated more sternly & one day, when she was really mad at me, she told me I looked so much like my father that she could hardly look at me when she was mad. That really stung. I was babysitting my cousins, not much younger than me, by the time I was about 10 yrs old, so that I could get the things I wanted because my mom couldn’t afford to do that for three kids. My brother was already on his way to being a delinquent but she always showed him preferential treatment, even as adults & even after his legal problems. She died three years ago and I’m just now starting to let go of the resentment & pain I felt. I had such a low self esteem that I attracted the wrong type of men & as a result I’ve been married & divorced twice. My 2nd husband was a narcissist & gaslit me our entire marriage but I didn’t even realize that’s what he was doing until I caught him cheating on me after 23 yrs of marriage. I struggled during the divorce due to a lack of emotional support from my family & ended up in a homeless shelter for 6 months because I’m on disability and wasn’t able to find a place to live.
I'm so sorry I know about that, have been a nurse for the mentally ill as a nurse for 6 yrs. or so, seeing fits, hiding
@@tracygaylor9505 Thank you for your compassion, I wish, as a society at large, that we would stop the victim shaming mentality and that these so called expert psychiatrists wouldn’t promote people stuffing down their feelings, claiming that in order to be “emotionally mature” you have to take mistreatment and insults and not respond with our truthful feelings in those moments. I’m not talking about people who have full fledged screaming fits in public, that’s a whole other issue. When I tell my family that something they’ve done, in present situations, has hurt me they feel guilty which angers them and their response is to tell me, with anger & sarcasm in their voice, that I’m being “too sensitive”. PS I wish people wouldn’t assume that being an empath is easy for me, I don’t like being able to perceive others negative emotions, especially because if I mention them, they become visibly agitated and verbally combative/defensive.
My heart goes out to her. I wouldn't say she has antisocial personality disorder. Her mother treated her TERRIBLE. So cruel. To her mother she was a failure, a disappointment. I feel in her mind, "why not be one?"I hope her mom doesn't treat her 2 boys like that. And this strong woman got what she needed.
It seems to me severe emotional neglect by her (narcissistic) mother. Just looking at her side of the story though. Lack of love and guidance from either parent. Mother telling her she was bad since she was really young. She seems to want to fix herself which doesn't seem antisocial to me. The part that struck me the most is she feels safer in the hospital than she does at home with her mother. I would say she is emotionally broken. Her mother never bonded with her.
You'd be surprised how many people with ASPD (antisocial personality disorder) as well as NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) are out there who do want to "fix" themselves. Self awareness comes in layers.
Loving or not, I can imagine one of this woman's kids sitting there 20 years later, complaining about her. Being the status of "child" does not mean you cannot also be gaslighting, misinterpreting, tormenting, or lacking in empathy. I never draw conclusions until I hear from more sides. I say this because of a sudden feeling of compassion and love for my own parents as I thought about their lives in a more whole way.
@@Stardustpal25 Thankyou.
The psychiatrist suffered from an incredible lack of curiosity on the subject of how she, at age 21, has had 7 pregnancies. It's so glaring. She most likely suffered from sexual abuse from an early age as well as severe emotional abuse and other trauma. Yet he doesn't explore this...and these have clearly impacted on her history and present. Unbelievable.
She had all of those kids before she was 18 even since the youngest was 3. That doc is worthless.
If it's an evaluation it's not the time to probe deeply into anything in particular. You're mostly working on trust and getting an idea of their backstory. You never know how much someone has fully internalised that they were actually abused and it can be hugely destabilising to confront it and experiencing that fallout without feeling pretty secure in the therapeutic relationship first might actually damage it.
Back in the old days, people got married young The singer Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin and she was 12. Especially down south. Married off before they had a chance to grow up.
Probably waited to get into the abuse so she would become comfortable talking to him
It was not considered okay in mainstream society for Jerry lee Lewis to marry his little cousin. I think she was 13, not 12. But money won out
What a fascinating lady! Very intelligent and super interesting. She experienced sadness in her life that many people would find difficult to deal with. ..however she is strong willed and moved on with her life. I respect her...John Fiocchi
The background sound is actually quite hypnotic. Appreciated.
50 years later her personality disorder fits into society perfectly as a model citizen. How times have changed!
Lets not act as if 50 years ago society was better also this type of behaviour is not healthy even by modern standards. At least nowadays going to therapy is more societally acceptable and people are not ashamed to speak about their diagnoses. Also children and women have more rights now than they did back then.
Aahhh yes. Today she is the normal member of society and anyone who suspects or disagrees with her behavior is the antisocial person, probably a criminal, for being judgmental.
Like Bob Dylan’s song, “the Times they are a changing”!
@@TheQueenIsWithin nutty is normal now!
(As sarcastic as typing will let me show) maybe she didn’t know her pronouns. That would have solved all her problems.
3:20 she was 21 years old with 3 stillborn children carried to full term, twins and a single adopted out, and 2 kids at home..... and the current husband was not the father of any of those kids..... wtf was REALLY going on?!??
How could she have that many children at such a young age? Pregnant at 12? WTH
@MissMiaAfroGoddess...you must be as stupid as the Doctor interviewing her at the time of our society....this woman is clearly a homosexual and is rebelling against who she is and who society is forcing her to be...according to Christians, God knows who you are before you were born, that means God knew this woman was going to a Homosexual....
Delusions maybe??
Probably her father was sexually assaulting her or a male relative.
I'm glad that someone else caught on to her age and the number of pregnancies.
I feel for this woman. It also makes me wonder if she is still alive or what her life turned into after this.
She was so beautiful. I feel so deeply for her. The system back then was always geared toward helping and man and hurting a woman. The fact that this lady sought help shows how bad her situation was.
I wish i could have known her.
This lady has been victimized for a long period, makes me sick to watch and hear the recriminations of the past. I hope she is comfortable and able to live peacefully now.
I couldn't agree more. I'm guessing if she is still around she would be in her ninety's.
George McKenna she should be around 84
Isn't it interesting how personality disorders get women abused. Men on the other hand are abusive.
@@cevanille1104 SO ARE WOMEN who are abusive like my bitch of a ‘ unfit mother ‘ systematically abused physically mentally emotionally by her
I doubt that she's alive,poor thing.
I love the way people talked back then
You mean speaking english clearly and fluently?
Vivian Vennicia Yup.
I know what you mean Paloma, If you see old interviews with Bob Dylan back in the day he had much the same way with him with good reason, I think a lot of it boils down to feelings of mistrust toward authority and the need to conceal information by giving the minimum of information.
In contrast people nowadays are ready too gush information to anyone at the drop of a hat no matter how personal it may be. It's hard to know though if it's a sign of a forward or backward step as regards the way humans communicate to each other.🎵
I think she speaks that way because she is highly intelligent. Watch part two if you haven’t seen it yet. The transformation is remarkable.
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I just want to hug her. She was so young.
I just watched a video of her 4 years after this video. I'm not so sure she's "anti-social" because if she is/was then the entire neighborhood I'm from was. I mean she definitely needed help, and I'm glad she got some.
I'm a man, and when I watch her talk I see myself in her. I was born into a family that hated me. I also hated and still hate my family to this day and made bad decisions, but not to the extent that she did. When I look at her, I myself if I had done half the things I wanted to without worrying about consequences.
I hope you’re doing better and found your true family 💜 it’s a shame how cruel and selfish parents can be.
I wish the best for you in everything :]
Thanks for sharing. I hope you are doing well in life and have a happy home now :)
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Well if your mother was Anti Social you would normalize her abandonment at a young age. You might have never loved someone no matter what and vice versa. Secure attachments to people even just 1 or 2 is a good sign, but if you find yourself being antagonistic about peoples devotion to you. That can also be a sign of Anti Social traits
How did your family hate you?
I am so glad that Psychiatry has come a long way since this poor lady was in the system. This lady just seems like someone who has been beaten down by everyone in her life and the system to the point of just accepting she is a problem and allowing stuff to happen to her now. For her to say that she wanted to go to the hospital because it was better for her, what was her home situation like then? To blame someone who has gone through or is going through trauma doesn't help them. Of course she is going to do drugs etc. I hope this beautiful lady eventually got the help she desperately needed.
Yea, its more like an interrogation
You are the type of people they target-an empath. I used to think this way. Omg I am so glad I survived my experience.
There is a follow up interview linked in the comments . I am going to go watch it now.
@@sl5311 No. I don't think so. YOu have to remember this was the 60s and to be a Lesbian in those days was totally taboo. She probably had something like Bi-Polar etc as well which would explain her ups and downs and why she so many miscarriages and children etc and the drug taking etc and the impulsivity. The strict religious times as well would have been against her. Having her hair short in those days would have also been a big no no. Ehh. Just something I gleaned from the interview.
@@werebilbyj4449 I was alive in the 60's. I get it believe me.
She seems very intelligent and way beyond her years. She seems broken and sad. She doesn’t seem mentally I’ll at all. She was delt a tough hand. Poor girl.
Poor lady..She was emotionally abused by a lot of people around her,who were supposed to be supportive and caring and not judgmental..When your own family writes you off as kind of "defective" or in this case "mentally ill." It can really do some damage to a persons soul and mind..Like being abandoned and neglected..Given up on..Leaves the person alone to make thier own decisions..I feel for her..Had she had the help and support and care she needed,she might not have ended up where she did.. In A hospital.. :/ Thankfully later she got the love and care she needed and support and she was able to improve herself and her situation..
Im no doctor but she seems more depressed than anything..Im glad she finally got the help she needed in the other tapes..
I find her fascinating. Her way of speaking, her appearance, her answers. Really interesting human. I hope she found peace.
I'm antisocial I have two friends that don't push me into things that make me up set, but when you have been hurt most of your life being antisocial is normal to us.
I can agree
asocial behavior is normal to you. antisocial behavior is not normal.
Having one or two friends is entirely normal, actually. Contrary to what our culture dictates (assuming you're North American) it is NOT normal for people to have many dozens upon dozens of "very close friends." That's just pure bullshit. 1 or 2 is more realistic, and everyone else is an acquaintance.
People who never challenge you are not friends, but validators of your disorder.
You're using "anti-social" in laymen's terms. This is referring to Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is not not wanting to be social and involved in social activities...lol.