What I'd love a debate on is how Zez and Kavar could go from showing sympathy, to capriciously cut your wifi connection. It's as if there's more to the story, unbeknownst to us. There are many possible reasons, jet nothing obvious. It seems weird that they'd do something so outrageous and extraordinary to a friend. th-cam.com/video/PBHp38ywkA0/w-d-xo.html
@@willek1335 They feared you could fall to the dark side and become a second Nihilus, although they didn't know who was he they intuitively knew he was related to you. They like you but still considered your exile as part of their duty.
I always liked the bit when Kreia talks to the Enclave, and how she gently sits herself down. It's abundantly clear how she has a strong sentimental attachment to the Enclave. In that brief moment, she's not Kreia the Manipulator or Traya the Betrayer. She's just an old woman who's finally come home.
You know what I hate most about this: Vrook, but not for the reasons everyone thinks. Unlike every other planet, Dantooine has a choice. You can leave Vrook in that force cage, which he chews you out for "freeing" him to begin with. Thinking that, I left him in there knowing it was "all according to plan" on my following playthrough and then sided with Khoonda, saved the Administrator and the Militia Leader. I Healed the wounded, fixed the droids, planted the mine field, locked the door, repaired the turrets, recruited more men, and relayed the message to the man by the ruins on behalf of the Militia Leader. And what do I get for all that effort, what do I get for helping the settlers and leaving Vrook in the cage like he claims he wanted. What do you get for doing what he claims to have wanted? An unprovoked attack from a conversation that you can't avoid when he shows up at the end of the fight after the dust as settled having contributed NOTHING to the war effort, standing around like the annoying pseudo-pacifists the Jedi are. Screw you, Vrook. Screw you.
@@thenfactor031 If I recall, the base/vanilla version of the game allows you to leave him in the cage, tell the bounty hunters he's a Jedi master, and they will let you reinforce the cage, or you can free him.
I forget who said it exactly but truer words have never been spoken than “You want to see how a Jedi turns Sith? Put them in a room for five minutes with Vrook.”
In my most recent play through, I killed all the masters except zez-Kai-El, and on narshadaa, the exile only spared him because his inner doubt would weaken the order worse than killing him on the spot. This game was light years ahead of its time.
Seeing Kreia return to the Enclave and gently sit down. All her years as a Jedi, the indoctrination, the doubt. The training so many and watching them fall. Being blamed for the choices of others. Falling in love, bearing a child, and being cast out for living life. Watching her most beloved pupil slay the love of her life. Her own fall to the Dark Side, seeking greater wisdom, and being turned on by her dark apprentices. Finally understanding that the Force has willed so much death and suffering to achieve... Something ephemeral. Kreia sits down, allowing the weariness and years upon her show itself. It's a very human and heartfelt moment.
"Killing, your answer to everything"- when you have spared everyone. I like the misunderstood approach, how reputation and 'no good deed' follows you. I initially avoided this as I thought it was retread material, but the effort and new scenes were great
As a kid I did it by accident because I didn't understand the story very well. I always ended up killing Kavar because I didn't understand the Talia and Vaklu conflict.
@@prosecutorwalton I gave him a chance in the cave until he started personally attacking me with his misguided wisdom. So I joined the mercenary leader right outside the cave.
Sadly you can’t even convince kavar. He’s the only one who could have listened. But since he’s standing there with the others he already chose his side. He even implies on onderon that he may have regretted voting to exile you but despite that he later writes you off as to dangerous to exist.
I save scummed my light side run and killed them all on dantooine and I didnt notice anything diffrent in Kreia's dialogue. It seemed exactly as if i was on DS run. Im pretty sure she still says "You failed me" line
Alas, 2:55 lack my most favorite quote of this game. (If you didn't kill any of the lost Jedi, then all three stand in the open air of the overgrown Jedi Council chamber with their backs to the doorways) Master Vrook: It is not as it was... Master Zez-Kai Ell: But perhaps that is for the best. I don't know why, but this little duality has always burned itself into my memory whenever I'm nostalgic of something loved, yet see the need to seize reality as it has become.
Props on making this video, this is great! Leaving Zez Kai and Kavar alive is my preferred option, I could never stand Vrook myself. Such an arrogant self righteous jerk, just like atris. Damn, that ending where you leave all the masters alive just to kill them on dantooine, that's dark
A lot of people thinks that The Reveal of Revan in Kotor 1 was one of the Greatest moment in Star Wars, indeed it is, but I can't stop myself to watch and rewatch the scene of the rebuilding enclave in Dantooine. Even a person of a different language group like me understand the fantastic voice acting and the emotions of Kreya. This is Star Wars at 100%, lightsabers not needed.
My last playthrough I did siding with everyone but Kavar on Onderon. It was a pity at the enclave there was no chance to explain what happened. If it were possible I would have swayed Kavar to see (from my character's point of view) an unelected Queen with Dictatorial powers who was far too naive to protect her people. The best outcome for my character would have been to force the Queen to abdicate putting General Vaklu in charge, no bloodshed but a change in government. Sadly the Order decided I murder Kavar rather than seeing he attacked me first with no chance to explain. I think at least Master Keil should have nuance in that even if Vrook didn't. Still, it is impressive the number of possible combinations there are.
1:53 the reason kavar says though it is difficult on dantooine is because Malak killed a lot of jedi during jedi civil war in kotor 1,their death left a wound/echo in the force that doesnt let one easily sense other force sensitives through the force
So this is the video you had in mind during the last transmission. Thank you for making it. I've always been curious how each Jedi reacts if they aren't together
If you aren't willing to view the dark side yourself, then you have failed Kreia To follow the ideal of the light side, you must be willing to betray it and do the dark side
@@spacejesus6581 Kreia wanted to show the most efficiant way to achive power and victory to the Exile, so that her wound would Live and scar the force more and more with time. It is not the Love for the Exiles ideals, wishes or the personality, but because she is unique in her connection. In terms of "falling" her doesn't mean that you are have to be blinded to the advices or reason that she provides to you through You'r journey. You just need to be Yourself. You'r own being. With You'r own wishes and goals. She is right about MANY thinks. Doesn't mean that she is know every aspect of life. Like a Being, she is Herself. With her own bad and good sides and her ways to grow and deal with her problems. So does she has a beliaves. It's not something that you can't see each day when you met other people or other beings. It's personalitys born and die each day and each hour with the cycle of life countinue to be what he is. Kreia is too, a person . Which means another funny think. Since she is tries to study Life and the Force, that means she will have to test herself to find the truth. Againts other peoples beliaves. The Darkness. And the Physical obstecls. Does she succeded? Instead of understanding the very mater of the existance she tries to inihilate the very core of the Universe and destroy 1 think that can help her achive her wishes. It is not the Hero's act of sacrafice for the greater good. It's the determination of an old, betrayed and very skilled person who is to discusted over the idea of being a puppet that has no right to choose. Do you ever wondered why she has felt nothing for companions, sith, jedi, civilians? Because they doesn't really matter. Nothing is unless the invinsible beast is going to be slayed. Nothing. So why should she care. Why should anybody care? There were no confirmation that the force is Alive or just an energy. There were always questions and jedi and sith were too busy to fight each other to hear Trought the Universe to hear it's call. But the idea of force being Alive is stayes to this day. So does in Traya's mind. Her beliaves and her advices are much different things. She makes the greatest person to show the mistakes and achivments of the galaxy, yet fails to admit that maybe there is somethink else. Trought her study in the Force she became one of the greatest Force wielders. Trouht her study on the aspects of Life she achived marvelous skills. And trough her reaserch, she achived the void that will drag her and everyone with her down. The void of paranoia and suruness about being less than nothing. If failing her means being You'r own being with you'r own wishes, goals and perspective on Life and be willing to not let her lay doubt in you'r soul and mind by the beliave of the single, theoretical idea of total lack of choice as a whole, then perhaps it is worth it. I have no disrespect for her or her choices. But there was another way. Many mysteris is still awaiting to be uncovered and be seen and studyed. And her plan to kill the one thing that would help achive understanding much easyer is not helpful. At least not in her mind. I thank her for showing me the galaxy's failure, yet my pacifist route says that My route is My own. And her's, I wish, was more lighter than it turn out to be.
Interestingly enough, it is possible to kill all of the Jedi and still maintain max LS alignment. You can even kill Vrook and Kavar without gaining DS points if you do it right
It's so annoying that to just have them all here, you have no choice but to be the good guy on Dantooine and Onderon, there should be an option just to say, "this isn't worth it, go back to the jedi" especially with the Onderon conflict which isn't so black and white.
I'm really not convinced ALL the old order died here. Besides, there's Bastila (Light Side Revan choice... which could be jarring if you imagined her being killed in KotOR I via a Light Side playthrough; one more reason why this game should have used the old save bonus system), Jolee Bindo and Juhani (unless it's of the Dark Side Revan choice; then again, there's what happened on Katarr), and maybe even the likes of Zayne Carrick and Nomi Sunrider.
Oh my goodness, I always wondered what the different variations were but was unwilling to put the time in. I made the mistake the first time I played to kill Vrook and the other 2 turn on me and it was quite underwhelming for the speech. The moment I did chose either way made the game far more fantastic.
Question. If you fight and kill the jedi and have the "you have failed me" scene, do the later scene at the ship with Visas or Mical change or it isn't there at all? I think that it's directly connected to the "you were afraid" scene because they both claim that the Jedi were wrong about him/her. The Jedi get to say nothing if they die (as far as I know), so Visas/Mical wouldn't talk about that. Do their dialogue change or the scene isn't there at all?
@@ObO2k Very sure. In fact I was trying to get one where a party member, I think it's either atton, disciple, and/or brianna asks Kreia how she got there so fast by herself. Kreia says that she knows things about Dantooine. But that's only cut dialogue I guess. I think I uploaded that dialogue already.
@@PapitoQinn Yeah Im trying to find that video but I didnt see it on "Kreia" playlist. Ill keep looking Edit: Found the handmaiden asking that on audio playlist
Vosh's voice actor never recorded lines for the rebuilt jedi enclave meeting because M4-78 and her involvement after the planet were cut fairly early on, which is why the mod ends in her dying. There are mods that put her in the jedi enclave put she either has no lines or a fan voices her, which is jarring as it isn't a perfect match for her, similar to the padawan that was hiding in the sublevel being voiced by a fan. The voice acting isn't terrible, but it isn't very good either.
anyone know what happens if you decide to kill Vash when using M4-78 restoration? do they still turn on you or just not care? and also if you kill all the other masters but let Vash live, does that just break the game?
Vosh has no effect on the enclave unless you use a mod that allows her to appear there. Even then she either has no lines or she is voiced by a fan because M4-78 and Vosh being at the enclave were cut very early. Similarly to the cut content of the padawan that was hiding in the enclave sublevel being voiced by a fan. Lines were written and programmed in, but they didn't record them.
M4-78 is very rough even to this day because it was cut so early, it's saving grace being that since the planet is all droids, the modders can get away with just inserting droidspeak voice lines instead of actual human voiced lines when there is no lines recorded. The most recent version of the mod has broken quest lines, looped cutscenes that get stuck and crashes, good thing I saved older version of it that isn't broken.
From what I have heard and read about Kotor 2 development, Vosh was intended to be able to survive M4 78, but when they decided to cut the planet, they just had die off screen on Korriban instead to hurry up the development and the game play. Honestly I'm happy to play Kotor 2 without M4-78, the planet feels like a chore a lot of the time, until they added the fast travel options in the latest release, but again, some of the cutscenes and quests are broken.
Energy shields activated during second! Even turn on Auto-Pause to pause after every combat round and activate your equipped shield in your inventory. By this late in the game, there should be lots and lots of those Verpine Prototype Shields laying around as loot.
Energy shields, and a melee weapon Not a lightsaber, a melee weapon, I remember with most Jedi classes there's an unlisted energy resistance, when fighting Malak in Kotor 1 if you swap to Ajunta Paul's sword you can almost one hit him, meanwhile with lightsabers it's just miss after miss after miss
The all Jedi dead kind of pissed me off, Kreia the greedy old bat just wanted her own personal revenge and to drain their force points, sorry you old crone, but those FP points are mine.
Kreia despises Vrook. - Special thank you to everyone who came to the streams and kept me company and donated while I found these.
I'm pretty sure Most of the Kotor 1 and 2 players Hated Vrook... so Kreia is not alone in that Opinion
“Kreia despises Vrook.” I couldn’t possibly imagine why
Vrook is basically his era's Mace Windu, except as a more boring white guy.
What I'd love a debate on is how Zez and Kavar could go from showing sympathy, to capriciously cut your wifi connection. It's as if there's more to the story, unbeknownst to us.
There are many possible reasons, jet nothing obvious.
It seems weird that they'd do something so outrageous and extraordinary to a friend.
th-cam.com/video/PBHp38ywkA0/w-d-xo.html
@@willek1335 They feared you could fall to the dark side and become a second Nihilus, although they didn't know who was he they intuitively knew he was related to you. They like you but still considered your exile as part of their duty.
I always liked the bit when Kreia talks to the Enclave, and how she gently sits herself down. It's abundantly clear how she has a strong sentimental attachment to the Enclave. In that brief moment, she's not Kreia the Manipulator or Traya the Betrayer. She's just an old woman who's finally come home.
With a double-bladed lightsaber and no left hand.
I think it's a really deep scene.
what's really really sad about this moment is that she knows that she is about to die
You know what I hate most about this: Vrook, but not for the reasons everyone thinks.
Unlike every other planet, Dantooine has a choice. You can leave Vrook in that force cage, which he chews you out for "freeing" him to begin with. Thinking that, I left him in there knowing it was "all according to plan" on my following playthrough and then sided with Khoonda, saved the Administrator and the Militia Leader. I Healed the wounded, fixed the droids, planted the mine field, locked the door, repaired the turrets, recruited more men, and relayed the message to the man by the ruins on behalf of the Militia Leader.
And what do I get for all that effort, what do I get for helping the settlers and leaving Vrook in the cage like he claims he wanted. What do you get for doing what he claims to have wanted? An unprovoked attack from a conversation that you can't avoid when he shows up at the end of the fight after the dust as settled having contributed NOTHING to the war effort, standing around like the annoying pseudo-pacifists the Jedi are.
Screw you, Vrook. Screw you.
I didn’t even know you could leave Vrook in the cage. Is that a TSLRCM thing only?
@@thenfactor031 If I recall, the base/vanilla version of the game allows you to leave him in the cage, tell the bounty hunters he's a Jedi master, and they will let you reinforce the cage, or you can free him.
Vrook acts the way hes now cus he was likely heavily traumatised by exar kun 50 years back
It doesn't matter which way you like to play this game, Vrook *always* gets what's coming to him.
Jedi like Vrook are enough to make one turn to the darkside.
So much effort for a 4 minute video. I admire your dedication
Bloon.
Thank you.
Thank YOU! @@PapitoQinn
I forget who said it exactly but truer words have never been spoken than “You want to see how a Jedi turns Sith? Put them in a room for five minutes with Vrook.”
In my most recent play through, I killed all the masters except zez-Kai-El, and on narshadaa, the exile only spared him because his inner doubt would weaken the order worse than killing him on the spot. This game was light years ahead of its time.
Seeing Kreia return to the Enclave and gently sit down. All her years as a Jedi, the indoctrination, the doubt. The training so many and watching them fall. Being blamed for the choices of others. Falling in love, bearing a child, and being cast out for living life. Watching her most beloved pupil slay the love of her life. Her own fall to the Dark Side, seeking greater wisdom, and being turned on by her dark apprentices. Finally understanding that the Force has willed so much death and suffering to achieve... Something ephemeral. Kreia sits down, allowing the weariness and years upon her show itself. It's a very human and heartfelt moment.
kavarr and zez kai ell were just jealous that you got to kill vrook
Well, they didn’t know that Vrook was a sadistic monster, until it was too late.
What Vrook sees: Darth Nihilus
What Surik sees: Some *Fierce Fighting Werehog* With A Lightsaber
"Killing, your answer to everything"- when you have spared everyone. I like the misunderstood approach, how reputation and 'no good deed' follows you. I initially avoided this as I thought it was retread material, but the effort and new scenes were great
"Its such a quiet thing...to fall..." Handsdown, kreia has the best story arc in any extended universe storyline.
I never knew killing only some of the masters was an option, you learn something new every day I guess
As a kid I did it by accident because I didn't understand the story very well. I always ended up killing Kavar because I didn't understand the Talia and Vaklu conflict.
i found out on accident because i hate vrook
@@toneyaustin2386 Sided with his captors to spite him or was it a case of cutting him down in the cave?
@@prosecutorwalton I gave him a chance in the cave until he started personally attacking me with his misguided wisdom. So I joined the mercenary leader right outside the cave.
All those streams have finally come to fruition. A great and interesting video
Thanks, Tom.
The fact that a game from 2004 had this many possible outcomes is amazing. Most games didn't allow for things like this until much later.
Sadly you can’t even convince kavar. He’s the only one who could have listened. But since he’s standing there with the others he already chose his side. He even implies on onderon that he may have regretted voting to exile you but despite that he later writes you off as to dangerous to exist.
If you kill all jedi masters but keep your character light sided, Kreia will have another "hidden" dialog.
What does she say?
ooh that's neat, didn't know that
I kept my character neutral for all of these. I wish you had told me in a stream.
I save scummed my light side run and killed them all on dantooine and I didnt notice anything diffrent in Kreia's dialogue. It seemed exactly as if i was on DS run. Im pretty sure she still says "You failed me" line
@@PapitoQinn Sorry man. Thought you already knew.
Thanks so much for posting this. I've been looking for all the variations on TH-cam for years
Yep. It was a pretty requested video. This is what those streams were for.
@Andres Santos I stream on this same TH-cam channel.
Alas, 2:55 lack my most favorite quote of this game. (If you didn't kill any of the lost Jedi, then all three stand in the open air of the overgrown Jedi Council chamber with their backs to the doorways)
Master Vrook: It is not as it was...
Master Zez-Kai Ell: But perhaps that is for the best.
I don't know why, but this little duality has always burned itself into my memory whenever I'm nostalgic of something loved, yet see the need to seize reality as it has become.
Props on making this video, this is great! Leaving Zez Kai and Kavar alive is my preferred option, I could never stand Vrook myself. Such an arrogant self righteous jerk, just like atris. Damn, that ending where you leave all the masters alive just to kill them on dantooine, that's dark
Kreia kills any of the masters you leave alive, if I recall correctly.
I don't know which one I prefer. Killing them or haveing a combo? Or letting them live? So many choices far more than just light and dark
In the end, it doesn't matter. The Council is blind and will die anyway. The only difference is what Kreia sees in you. Why you gave up the Force.
A lot of people thinks that The Reveal of Revan in Kotor 1 was one of the Greatest moment in Star Wars, indeed it is, but I can't stop myself to watch and rewatch the scene of the rebuilding enclave in Dantooine. Even a person of a different language group like me understand the fantastic voice acting and the emotions of Kreya. This is Star Wars at 100%, lightsabers not needed.
My last playthrough I did siding with everyone but Kavar on Onderon. It was a pity at the enclave there was no chance to explain what happened. If it were possible I would have swayed Kavar to see (from my character's point of view) an unelected Queen with Dictatorial powers who was far too naive to protect her people. The best outcome for my character would have been to force the Queen to abdicate putting General Vaklu in charge, no bloodshed but a change in government.
Sadly the Order decided I murder Kavar rather than seeing he attacked me first with no chance to explain. I think at least Master Keil should have nuance in that even if Vrook didn't.
Still, it is impressive the number of possible combinations there are.
0:28 "Every choice you've made has brought you to this point."
Every telltale game in nutshell
Holy shit you right because all jedi and Sith are evil there no hero in this game!?
The music is so bittersweet
I wish Master Vash had lived, just because I like her voice
The thumbnail: Dantooinian Rhapsody
1:53 the reason kavar says though it is difficult on dantooine is because Malak killed a lot of jedi during jedi civil war in kotor 1,their death left a wound/echo in the force that doesnt let one easily sense other force sensitives through the force
Beautiful.
It's alright.
I love your kotor videos and always look forward to them!
Thanks, man! Who do I think you are? A great supporter of my content. :D
@@PapitoQinn you are correct! Kreia is a bad ass and I enjoy your take on her philosophy of the Force.
Thank you for doing this Qinn. You're awesome!
You're welcome. But let's not get crazy.
So this is the video you had in mind during the last transmission. Thank you for making it. I've always been curious how each Jedi reacts if they aren't together
Yep this was it. It all finally came together.
This is awesome mate, I didn't even know that there was this many options
Thank you for making this! I can’t ever bring myself to go dark side in kotor because of my love for the characters. Now I can see the other side! Lol
You're welcome. This is what all those recent streams amounted to.
If you aren't willing to view the dark side yourself, then you have failed Kreia
To follow the ideal of the light side, you must be willing to betray it and do the dark side
@@spacejesus6581 Kreia wanted to show the most efficiant way to achive power and victory to the Exile, so that her wound would Live and scar the force more and more with time. It is not the Love for the Exiles ideals, wishes or the personality, but because she is unique in her connection. In terms of "falling" her doesn't mean that you are have to be blinded to the advices or reason that she provides to you through You'r journey. You just need to be Yourself. You'r own being. With You'r own wishes and goals. She is right about MANY thinks. Doesn't mean that she is know every aspect of life.
Like a Being, she is Herself. With her own bad and good sides and her ways to grow and deal with her problems. So does she has a beliaves. It's not something that you can't see each day when you met other people or other beings. It's personalitys born and die each day and each hour with the cycle of life countinue to be what he is. Kreia is too, a person .
Which means another funny think. Since she is tries to study Life and the Force, that means she will have to test herself to find the truth. Againts other peoples beliaves. The Darkness. And the Physical obstecls. Does she succeded?
Instead of understanding the very mater of the existance she tries to inihilate the very core of the Universe and destroy 1 think that can help her achive her wishes. It is not the Hero's act of sacrafice for the greater good. It's the determination of an old, betrayed and very skilled person who is to discusted over the idea of being a puppet that has no right to choose.
Do you ever wondered why she has felt nothing for companions, sith, jedi, civilians? Because they doesn't really matter. Nothing is unless the invinsible beast is going to be slayed. Nothing. So why should she care. Why should anybody care?
There were no confirmation that the force is Alive or just an energy. There were always questions and jedi and sith were too busy to fight each other to hear Trought the Universe to hear it's call. But the idea of force being Alive is stayes to this day. So does in Traya's mind.
Her beliaves and her advices are much different things. She makes the greatest person to show the mistakes and achivments of the galaxy, yet fails to admit that maybe there is somethink else. Trought her study in the Force she became one of the greatest Force wielders. Trouht her study on the aspects of Life she achived marvelous skills. And trough her reaserch, she achived the void that will drag her and everyone with her down. The void of paranoia and suruness about being less than nothing.
If failing her means being You'r own being with you'r own wishes, goals and perspective on Life and be willing to not let her lay doubt in you'r soul and mind by the beliave of the single, theoretical idea of total lack of choice as a whole, then perhaps it is worth it.
I have no disrespect for her or her choices. But there was another way. Many mysteris is still awaiting to be uncovered and be seen and studyed. And her plan to kill the one thing that would help achive understanding much easyer is not helpful. At least not in her mind.
I thank her for showing me the galaxy's failure, yet my pacifist route says that My route is My own. And her's, I wish, was more lighter than it turn out to be.
Interestingly enough, it is possible to kill all of the Jedi and still maintain max LS alignment. You can even kill Vrook and Kavar without gaining DS points if you do it right
@@spacejesus6581 I don't mind failing Kreia because she is a false teacher. I intentionally act in a way that angers her the most.
It's so annoying that to just have them all here, you have no choice but to be the good guy on Dantooine and Onderon, there should be an option just to say, "this isn't worth it, go back to the jedi" especially with the Onderon conflict which isn't so black and white.
Onderon is the only place where you're stuck in one path. I uploaded a video recently showing how to help Khoonda and still fight Vrook.
So I side with Vaklu and suddenly I'm on the dark side? Screw you too, Kavarr
I'm really not convinced ALL the old order died here. Besides, there's Bastila (Light Side Revan choice... which could be jarring if you imagined her being killed in KotOR I via a Light Side playthrough; one more reason why this game should have used the old save bonus system), Jolee Bindo and Juhani (unless it's of the Dark Side Revan choice; then again, there's what happened on Katarr), and maybe even the likes of Zayne Carrick and Nomi Sunrider.
So I'm assuming that all of these lead to the dark side Kreia Speech?
I love this. I can't express it. You should add my friends art work.
She is difficult to see, she is like a shadow of the exile.
the thumbnail is amazing 😂
Thank you. Although I was never really able to get a consistent style down.
Oh my goodness, I always wondered what the different variations were but was unwilling to put the time in. I made the mistake the first time I played to kill Vrook and the other 2 turn on me and it was quite underwhelming for the speech. The moment I did chose either way made the game far more fantastic.
Question. If you fight and kill the jedi and have the "you have failed me" scene, do the later scene at the ship with Visas or Mical change or it isn't there at all? I think that it's directly connected to the "you were afraid" scene because they both claim that the Jedi were wrong about him/her. The Jedi get to say nothing if they die (as far as I know), so Visas/Mical wouldn't talk about that. Do their dialogue change or the scene isn't there at all?
Every time I hear to Vrook I can only listen to J. J. Jameson in the Spiderman animated series of the 90s
How do you arrive without Kreia? Even if I was without her in party she would still arrive with me. Is it related to low influence with her?
I'm not sure. I always had full influence with her while recording these.
@@PapitoQinn So it just happened by itself? You're sure you didnt do anything special for this to happen?
I'm fairly sure it's when you don't have her in your party. You get there first, and then she follows in later. At least, that's what I always did.
@@ObO2k Very sure. In fact I was trying to get one where a party member, I think it's either atton, disciple, and/or brianna asks Kreia how she got there so fast by herself. Kreia says that she knows things about Dantooine. But that's only cut dialogue I guess. I think I uploaded that dialogue already.
@@PapitoQinn Yeah Im trying to find that video but I didnt see it on "Kreia" playlist. Ill keep looking
Edit: Found the handmaiden asking that on audio playlist
Vrook was one of the sith lords
Killing only him should've had a unique scene where the jedi survive and join you on malacor
Hm interesting variation outcome of Jedi masters live/killed. I might play it again some point in the near future for get Nintendo switch sale.
ITS NOT YOUR FAULT VROOK LET IT GO
3:31
There is a way to fight the 3 Jedi at the same time in the enclave without any intervention from Kreia ?
There used to be, but this was cut. There are some restorations mods out there that restore it though.
Kreia sounds sad here, or perhaps it's just how I perceive it
Any change you do this with Lonna Vash restored by M4-78 mod?
I've never played the M4-78 mod. Once I do I'll have to see what I can do.
No changes I noticed since Lonna is dead on M4-78. Just an extra planet for the Droid lolz
@@VinniePedi I'm pretty sure when I played it she was alive and then she was on Dantooine with the others. There is footage on TH-cam too.
@@Decumos yeah, but she truly don't add much to the scene or something new... pretty much it doesn't matter if she is alive or dead
Vosh's voice actor never recorded lines for the rebuilt jedi enclave meeting because M4-78 and her involvement after the planet were cut fairly early on, which is why the mod ends in her dying. There are mods that put her in the jedi enclave put she either has no lines or a fan voices her, which is jarring as it isn't a perfect match for her, similar to the padawan that was hiding in the sublevel being voiced by a fan. The voice acting isn't terrible, but it isn't very good either.
my first playthrough was kavar and vrook because i got confused on nar shaddaa and accidentally killed zez kai ell
anyone know what happens if you decide to kill Vash when using M4-78 restoration? do they still turn on you or just not care? and also if you kill all the other masters but let Vash live, does that just break the game?
Vosh has no effect on the enclave unless you use a mod that allows her to appear there. Even then she either has no lines or she is voiced by a fan because M4-78 and Vosh being at the enclave were cut very early. Similarly to the cut content of the padawan that was hiding in the enclave sublevel being voiced by a fan. Lines were written and programmed in, but they didn't record them.
M4-78 is very rough even to this day because it was cut so early, it's saving grace being that since the planet is all droids, the modders can get away with just inserting droidspeak voice lines instead of actual human voiced lines when there is no lines recorded. The most recent version of the mod has broken quest lines, looped cutscenes that get stuck and crashes, good thing I saved older version of it that isn't broken.
From what I have heard and read about Kotor 2 development, Vosh was intended to be able to survive M4 78, but when they decided to cut the planet, they just had die off screen on Korriban instead to hurry up the development and the game play. Honestly I'm happy to play Kotor 2 without M4-78, the planet feels like a chore a lot of the time, until they added the fast travel options in the latest release, but again, some of the cutscenes and quests are broken.
@@VicZam9 No wonder that padawan sounded so bad. I almost believed they cut it because it sounded so bad haha
Great thumbnail lmao
Thank you
How did you manage to kill all of them on Dantooine? They all hit like trucks and I get basically one shot . Help
Energy shields activated during second! Even turn on Auto-Pause to pause after every combat round and activate your equipped shield in your inventory.
By this late in the game, there should be lots and lots of those Verpine Prototype Shields laying around as loot.
Energy shields, and a melee weapon
Not a lightsaber, a melee weapon, I remember with most Jedi classes there's an unlisted energy resistance, when fighting Malak in Kotor 1 if you swap to Ajunta Paul's sword you can almost one hit him, meanwhile with lightsabers it's just miss after miss after miss
The all Jedi dead kind of pissed me off, Kreia the greedy old bat just wanted her own personal revenge and to drain their force points, sorry you old crone, but those FP points are mine.
Good movie