This now creates a perfectly acceptable canon possibility of a more nuanced Exile, who murders Vrook and shows him no mercy, yet is perfectly helpful to the settlers and kind to the other Masters all the way to the Enclave. The others will attack you at the Enclave, sadly, but you can still end the game on the light side.
See, the thing about that is that, unlike Vrook, Kavar isn't an idiot. Although, maybe he is. How Vrook managed to talk both Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell into trying to disarm the Exile is beyond my comprehension.
@@tripleoo0 Well, the Jedi as a whole were too scared of the Sith Neophyte (Force Leech) coming back as the Exile had the capacity to promote its power through experience and raw Dark Side aura.
@@louisiananlord17 Which is only a threat if the exile is actually a Sith. I'd venture to say that 75-80% of people choose the light side ending, in which case, the Jedi (read: Vrook) are completely and utterly wrong and short-sighted.
Vrook is, in my opinion, the second worst character in KOTOR, while Atris takes the first place. G0-T0 might be a close third for me, but I can live with him
I learned about saving Khoonda and killing Vrook by accident in my first attempt at getting the "You had no choice" line at the rebuilt enclave. It's a good thing I have learned to create a new save slot every time I hit a major plot point.
Vrook is my favourite because he makes players hate him in a genuine jet tragic way. He doesn't rebel against his teaching nor does he question his beliefs. He doesn't need to slaughter anyone to achieve it, and that to me is good writing. Vrook is human, all too human.
@@razofdead Master vrook is everything that was wrong with the Jedi council. The ineptitude of the Jedi that led to their downfall following the Mandalorian wars and not being able to evolve and punish Jedi that go off the beaten path that was the Jedi code. For him there is no in between. There is only dogma.
@@harmonyovabraxas5556In my opinion, that title should go to Atris. Vrook was very attached to the jedi doctrines, but Atris took it to the extreme, even when she was studying the Dark Side. That, from my point of view, makes her a perfect representation of everything wrong with the jedi
Has anybody else noticed that the voice actor for Azkul was also the voice for Darth Malgus in Star Wars: The Old Republic? Holy Jesus did these games have an incredible knack for All-Star voice acting talent.
Thank you for posting this video. It's a helpful reminder that I come back to sometimes when I need to remember the different options. I've shared it with friends who didn't know it could be done even after 17 years of kotor2.
I knew you could kill him after siding with the administrator, but I didn’t realize you could side with the mercs and avoid a fight. I figured that, considering how he’s gone on and on about how bad you are, he’d recognize what you did and confront you about it, but I guess not. I knew he didn’t care too much about Khoonda when he opted to investigate the Jedi bounty (which he could’ve done some other time) instead of fighting against or at least warning about an upcoming attack on the embassy, but wow
Vrook is the textbook example of a dogmatic Jedi, only caring about the traditions and security of the Order. He and others like him ignore the Living Force and the lives of the people in the galaxy do not matter to them. All that matters to them is strict adherence to the single ideal of the Jedi Code, the "there is no emotion, there is peace" version which that's the light side to an nth degree of extremism. The first Jedi Code, "Emotion, yet peace" was more nuanced and human, whereas the new dogmatic code was extreme and preached for the Jedi to be aloof and uncaring bastards.
I knew about turning the administrator over to the mercs, but I figured (for some dumb reason) that was removed in the Restored Content mod. I'm doing a Dark ending Light Jedi as well as a Dark Jedi Light Ending, so this should be handy.
Wow the amount of choice in this game is insane. I’ve played it a dozen times and I’m still learning new things! On a side note, is it possible you could do a video on what happens if you spare some of the masters and kill the others? I haven’t seen anything like it on here :)
Just found out that Vrook just chills in the Enclave until the Exile is done talking to him after turning on the settlers at the last minute. Not sure why the Mercenaries wouldn't see him or try to collect on the Jedi bounty and how he wouldn't suspect the Exile of betrayal.
I wanted to kill Vrook but instead I avoided the fight with him by letting the mercs kill the administrator. I forgot that I should have gone to the mercs instead of the militias before the attack lol. About killing Vrook while siding with Khoonda is new to me so thanks
Now I'm frustrated because, as another commenter pointed out, doing the same thing on Onderon (letting Vaklu kill the Queen) results in you always having to fight the Jedi. I was hoping to reunite the Jedi on Dantooine (even though I later learned Kreia kills them anyways), but simp lord Kavar just had to get in the way of a strong self sufficient Onderon.
Vaklu may not have been perfect, but at least he actually cared about his people and their culture. I know such a thing is impossible, but I'm curious what Queen Talia's reaction would be to knowing that because of her her people will "lose themselves in the ocean of the Republic and become the people of Onderon no more" congrats on killing your entire planet's culture 👍 It always depresses me to side with Talia on LS play-thoughs
So wait, if you leave him in his cage he doesn't give you the angsty "always rushing into battle" bullshit? Also can you sabotage the cage so he can get out more easily?
The idea of everyone in Khoonda paying so little attention to Vrook that they don't care you just murdered him and left his corpse right in the middle of their lobby.
hey there, this may be a dumb question, but is it possible to kill for istance one jedi master and have the other two live? I am aware that if you kill the first one, then all of them have to die by your hand, but what if one lives and the others die? Is that even possible?
I'd really like to know the answer to this too! Plus if it is possible how does that affect the confrontation with the jedi masters at the end of the game?
if you kill any of the masters the others meet you on dantooine and instantly attack you because they sense you killed the other so if you kill any of them you get the darkside outcome anyway
It's something like three lines of dialogue, including the Exile's reply. Also, given that most people's first instinct is to slice Vrook, that means you have to turn on Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell and fight them both simultaneously, which isn't necessarily difficult, but it's very sad, because those two would certainly have understood under any other circumstance.
It's hard being a pro-Jedi guy sometimes. But damn, How did I not know this? Vrook, you just lost some respect from me. Which is surprising considering how little I had.
I only got a grand out of the merc for just 4 ppĺ..and still cant beat vrook e mauls saber..what form to use in 2nd half of fight..? Got deadly mines everywhere too...
Much as I theoretically like the different possible outcomes being in the game, the writing here is really weak. I literally just don't buy that Vrook would be too dumb to figure out if the Exile betrayed Adere to the mercs at the last minute (particularly given how it justifies all his suspicions about his/her treacherous nature). And the fact that *this* is an actual viable option, but siding with Vaklu on Onderon while sparing Master Kavar *isn't*, is irritating.
You can be dark side in the end, but you have to sacrifice some alignment points to the light. You have to choose to support the monarchy on Onderon, to name one example. With all the masters at the enclave, and heavily on the dark side, Kreias dialogue will be similar in all aspects - except one line. A peculiar choice by the creators, no doubt.
@@PapitoQinn yeah it's an Xbox bug, I'm just a dumass. And never noticed. It also seems like it might have been a bug on earlier versions of the restored content mod
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This now creates a perfectly acceptable canon possibility of a more nuanced Exile, who murders Vrook and shows him no mercy, yet is perfectly helpful to the settlers and kind to the other Masters all the way to the Enclave. The others will attack you at the Enclave, sadly, but you can still end the game on the light side.
Uh no
If only this was possible on Onderon the only planet where a Darkside ending means you absolutely have to kill the Jedi Master on it
Vaklu was and is a liar and yes Kavar was the best Jedi Master! I wanted him as a party member so badly.
See, the thing about that is that, unlike Vrook, Kavar isn't an idiot.
Although, maybe he is. How Vrook managed to talk both Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell into trying to disarm the Exile is beyond my comprehension.
@@tripleoo0 Well, the Jedi as a whole were too scared of the Sith Neophyte (Force Leech) coming back as the Exile had the capacity to promote its power through experience and raw Dark Side aura.
@@louisiananlord17 Which is only a threat if the exile is actually a Sith. I'd venture to say that 75-80% of people choose the light side ending, in which case, the Jedi (read: Vrook) are completely and utterly wrong and short-sighted.
@@tripleoo0 Indeed, and it is a shame Kavar couldn't see past Vrook's hatred of the exile.
As if we needed more reason to hate Vrook
Vrook is, in my opinion, the second worst character in KOTOR, while Atris takes the first place. G0-T0 might be a close third for me, but I can live with him
Enjoyed the horrifying thoughts that came with the words “tonight... YOU.”
Handbanana from aqua teen hunger force
I learned about saving Khoonda and killing Vrook by accident in my first attempt at getting the "You had no choice" line at the rebuilt enclave.
It's a good thing I have learned to create a new save slot every time I hit a major plot point.
Vrook is my favourite because he makes players hate him in a genuine jet tragic way. He doesn't rebel against his teaching nor does he question his beliefs. He doesn't need to slaughter anyone to achieve it, and that to me is good writing. Vrook is human, all too human.
Real Jedi.... thats the force will
@@razofdead Master vrook is everything that was wrong with the Jedi council. The ineptitude of the Jedi that led to their downfall following the Mandalorian wars and not being able to evolve and punish Jedi that go off the beaten path that was the Jedi code. For him there is no in between. There is only dogma.
@@harmonyovabraxas5556In my opinion, that title should go to Atris. Vrook was very attached to the jedi doctrines, but Atris took it to the extreme, even when she was studying the Dark Side. That, from my point of view, makes her a perfect representation of everything wrong with the jedi
Has anybody else noticed that the voice actor for Azkul was also the voice for Darth Malgus in Star Wars: The Old Republic?
Holy Jesus did these games have an incredible knack for All-Star voice acting talent.
I did not know that. No.
Wow. Nearly 20 years on there's so many new things about this game that I didn't know until now!
Jedi: 1:45
Jedi Crusaders/ Jedi who joined Revan during the mandalorian wars: 3:33
Thank you for posting this video. It's a helpful reminder that I come back to sometimes when I need to remember the different options. I've shared it with friends who didn't know it could be done even after 17 years of kotor2.
Wow, man. Thanks! I love it when people share my stuff.
Is fun because in my last run I save Khoonda but killed Vrook for casually xD
Well done
I knew you could kill him after siding with the administrator, but I didn’t realize you could side with the mercs and avoid a fight. I figured that, considering how he’s gone on and on about how bad you are, he’d recognize what you did and confront you about it, but I guess not. I knew he didn’t care too much about Khoonda when he opted to investigate the Jedi bounty (which he could’ve done some other time) instead of fighting against or at least warning about an upcoming attack on the embassy, but wow
Vrook is the textbook example of a dogmatic Jedi, only caring about the traditions and security of the Order. He and others like him ignore the Living Force and the lives of the people in the galaxy do not matter to them. All that matters to them is strict adherence to the single ideal of the Jedi Code, the "there is no emotion, there is peace" version which that's the light side to an nth degree of extremism. The first Jedi Code, "Emotion, yet peace" was more nuanced and human, whereas the new dogmatic code was extreme and preached for the Jedi to be aloof and uncaring bastards.
I knew about turning the administrator over to the mercs, but I figured (for some dumb reason) that was removed in the Restored Content mod. I'm doing a Dark ending Light Jedi as well as a Dark Jedi Light Ending, so this should be handy.
Makes me sad you cannot do this on onderon. I like him much more than vrook but I like Vaklu a lot more than the queen
Thank you for the video SO much ! I feel like saving Khoonda without Vrook is the best Dantooine end !
You're very welcome!
Wow the amount of choice in this game is insane. I’ve played it a dozen times and I’m still learning new things! On a side note, is it possible you could do a video on what happens if you spare some of the masters and kill the others? I haven’t seen anything like it on here :)
I'll see what I can do.
@@PapitoQinn I also have never seen that.
Bit late to this but if you do that you have to fight the remaining masters when they arrive on dantooine. And you fo it without a companion
You kill even one master and the survivors turn on you.
I did see a video on YT about different variations on the subject.
Just found out that Vrook just chills in the Enclave until the Exile is done talking to him after turning on the settlers at the last minute.
Not sure why the Mercenaries wouldn't see him or try to collect on the Jedi bounty and how he wouldn't suspect the Exile of betrayal.
Modify the cage?! literally been placing this for years and never seen this
You've been playing it on PC?
Hitman 2 Saint Petersburg theme in the background is awesome.
I wanted to kill Vrook but instead I avoided the fight with him by letting the mercs kill the administrator. I forgot that I should have gone to the mercs instead of the militias before the attack lol. About killing Vrook while siding with Khoonda is new to me so thanks
Wish there was an option to re-enforce the cage, then kill the mercs and leave him alone locked away in the cave to rot. Super evil
Well thats what you get for being an asdhole who refuses to change
Now I'm frustrated because, as another commenter pointed out, doing the same thing on Onderon (letting Vaklu kill the Queen) results in you always having to fight the Jedi. I was hoping to reunite the Jedi on Dantooine (even though I later learned Kreia kills them anyways), but simp lord Kavar just had to get in the way of a strong self sufficient Onderon.
Vaklu may not have been perfect, but at least he actually cared about his people and their culture.
I know such a thing is impossible, but I'm curious what Queen Talia's reaction would be to knowing that because of her her people will "lose themselves in the ocean of the Republic and become the people of Onderon no more" congrats on killing your entire planet's culture 👍
It always depresses me to side with Talia on LS play-thoughs
That rise of nations soundtrack in the background though
0:48 that music is from hitman silent assassin
"47 Makes a Decision" Composed by Jesper Kyd.
3:35 this could also be the Starkiller disintegrating force lighting repulse
Time and time again we are being given consistent reasons to hate Vrook.
Thank you so much for this
You're very welcome. I should be thanking you for actually watching it.
So wait, if you leave him in his cage he doesn't give you the angsty "always rushing into battle" bullshit? Also can you sabotage the cage so he can get out more easily?
This is the beginning of awesomness.
The idea of everyone in Khoonda paying so little attention to Vrook that they don't care you just murdered him and left his corpse right in the middle of their lobby.
Well, most folk there hate Jedi, so they might view Vrook as a grumpy Jedi who went bad.
hey there, this may be a dumb question, but is it possible to kill for istance one jedi master and have the other two live? I am aware that if you kill the first one, then all of them have to die by your hand, but what if one lives and the others die? Is that even possible?
I'd really like to know the answer to this too! Plus if it is possible how does that affect the confrontation with the jedi masters at the end of the game?
if you kill any of the masters the others meet you on dantooine and instantly attack you because they sense you killed the other so if you kill any of them you get the darkside outcome anyway
@@powderedwiglouis1238 That's interesting! I wonder what the associated dialogue is like. Could be a cool video for Papito Qinn to do.
@@hans7686 yeah could be a cool video but i think they just start attacking lol
It's something like three lines of dialogue, including the Exile's reply. Also, given that most people's first instinct is to slice Vrook, that means you have to turn on Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell and fight them both simultaneously, which isn't necessarily difficult, but it's very sad, because those two would certainly have understood under any other circumstance.
It's hard being a pro-Jedi guy sometimes.
But damn, How did I not know this?
Vrook, you just lost some respect from me. Which is surprising considering how little I had.
I only got a grand out of the merc for just 4 ppĺ..and still cant beat vrook e mauls saber..what form to use in 2nd half of fight..? Got deadly mines everywhere too...
Fascinating!
Too bad there's no way of siding with Vaklu without killing Kavar
Much as I theoretically like the different possible outcomes being in the game, the writing here is really weak. I literally just don't buy that Vrook would be too dumb to figure out if the Exile betrayed Adere to the mercs at the last minute (particularly given how it justifies all his suspicions about his/her treacherous nature). And the fact that *this* is an actual viable option, but siding with Vaklu on Onderon while sparing Master Kavar *isn't*, is irritating.
is there a way to be dark side and not fight kavar and zez ki el?
You can be dark side in the end, but you have to sacrifice some alignment points to the light. You have to choose to support the monarchy on Onderon, to name one example.
With all the masters at the enclave, and heavily on the dark side, Kreias dialogue will be similar in all aspects - except one line. A peculiar choice by the creators, no doubt.
I don't get the option to fix the cage...
...Guess I could try this out in another personal run of this game.
The Rise of Nations music is appreciated.
You can do the same for Onderon and Nar shaddaa. This is why I don't like it when people say there's no gray path
Onderon? How do you mean?
You can let vaklu's men kill Talia
@@warlorddavid8290 Yes, you can do that. But we were talking about a way to supports Vaklu and leave Kavarr alive and vice-versa, weren't we?
@@warlorddavid8290 Yes. That doesn't keep kavarr alive.
@@PapitoQinn yeah it's an Xbox bug, I'm just a dumass. And never noticed. It also seems like it might have been a bug on earlier versions of the restored content mod
Is this soundtrack from hitman silent assassin 2? Just watched this video haha
Does killing Vrook here have any effect on the LS Jedi council confrontation?
Yes. You're forced to kill the other council members.
i think my game is having a bug everytime i get him down to a 1 hit he fully heals everytime?!?!?
Is it possible to (on Onderon) have General Vaklu win and NOT fight Kavar and Vice Versia?
No there is not, as far as I know. That's the one planet where the paths are locked on either killing Kavar or not.
What music did you use in the background?
Sounds like Witcher 3 to me
After i Talk to zherron thr Battle wont start aaaaaaaaaa
Papito Quinn, when will the next Kreia’s Conundrums be?
Maybe soon. I'm working on something that might grow into a Kreia's conundrums.
How come you put Rise of Nations music in this video?
Because I like Rise of Nations' soundtrack. Composed by Duane Decker by the way.
3:30 excuse me !?
Can you side with Vaklu and keep Master Kavar alive?
No you have to body kavar
Kavar seems to be the only one that locks you down the path. And Zez Kai Ell is the only one that gives you a verbal choice no matter what you do.
Nice music, from H2SA, trouble in Russia
Tbf you get more credits and don’t have to fight a boss battle leaving Vrook alive but leaving Khoonda to fall
I did this on accident i made the millita win but still killed vrook
I love how little Vrook cares about the settlers if the administrator dies. God, Jedi apathy in the kotor period is tiresome
I love the Jedi but man they are hypocrites that consistently contradicts themselves.
I feel like it’s even worse this game cause the game trying to prove a point
@@rances4418 Yeah that is true.
Bruh I hate vrook so much. From both kotor’s LOL