CORRECTION: The 2.0T has 252 HP not 225Hp as I say in voice over. Now when you instagram a photo for #savethemanuals and tag me, you can also tag #ThomasIsDyslexic
Great review. Love it. Question - how did you find the room for your arm between the shifter and the arm rest (behind). Have heard there is limited room, where when downshifting, your arm/elbow can hit the arm rest. ??? I am waiting for one to arrive in Vancouver so I can test drive.
Anyone who can buy one of these right now, do it!! I can't afford one yet but I'd like it to still be around when I can!!! Don't let this trim become a market failure!!
Genesis is what we get when Hyundai hires talent from Bentley, Lamborghini, Audi, BMW (M head) and many more!! This line of vehicles are the brainchild of some of the best in the business.
@trstnhn I know. He's not buying it from Genesis.. He thinks someone else should buy it new first. If every manual enthusiast bought their cars used there wouldn't be any manuals. Cars are made for what NEW buyers want.
That's exactly TR's point. The "regular consumer" doesn't care about a manual transmission RWD sports sedan with a mechanical LSD, which explains why almost no automaker offers a M/T option anymore, since no one is buying these cars new.
A person who buys the car from Genesis is a GENESIS customer. A person who buys the car 10 years later is a customer of the Genesis service department at BEST. Which of these consumers do you think Genesis cares about? Which of the two consumers do you think Genesis uses to decide what models and options they put out? The demand on a car with a manual transmission must be from people buying NEW cars. If it isn't there - you won't be seeing them on the used market 10 years from now because they were never made in the first place. If you want manuals to live.. buy a NEW car with one. If you can't, fine... but don't blame the manufacturer for not making them later.
The problem is if no one buys this new then in 10 years time there wont be many of them on the road. Meaning if he were to look for one and turn it into a project car, well good luck. In example back in the 90s Hyundai made a car called the Hyundai Scoupe, it was a small affordable 2 door "sports" car, which incidentally had a turbo, manual only version. Since back then no one cared for quirky turbo manual affordable "sports" car from a "cheap" brand not many were sold here in the US. I've been looking for an Scoupe Turbo for years now without being able to find one in good condition. Also try to find a 1970's Mazda RX4, they were sold in the states, but good luck finding one. I fear the same will happen to a car like this G70.
I test drove one of these today. It handles like my 2003 BMW E46 but with more power and the goodies that come with a modern car. Finally, a worthy replacement that is affordable.
If you don’t like this car you’re just a hater. As a long time Acura and BMW fan, I would get this over everything each of those companies make. This is a huge win for Genesis.
Im a Bmw/ euro diehard fan, but would and probably get it when my daily f10 is ready to be replaced. There simply isn’t anything comparable to this in current euro brands lineups.
Hyundai is in the process of establishing Genesis as a standalone luxury brand. To succeed they need to create buzz and showroom traffic in their new dealerships. The G70 is obviously part of that strategy. What better way to create interest among auto journalists (like Thomas) than to offer a classic European sport sedan in their lineup, especially as the Europeans have all but abandoned that small but still prestigious market. They won't sell many of the 2.0L, RWD, MT versions but offering it will draw some feet into the dealerships that wouldn't necessarily come to see the G80 or G90. If you like it, you better buy it because as another poster noted, it's not likely to be around in four or five years as the Genesis brand becomes established and demand for production of better selling V6 and AWD models increases. As for a comparison between the G70 and the Stinger, that's an "apples to pineapples" comparison. Neither is the "better" car. Despite sharing engines, interior features, and important drive train components, they're aimed at different market segments. The Stinger is a true Grand Touring automobile, designed for more than a weekend away with a significant other. For those who want to take a long vacation and don't want an SUV, the size and liftback design make it a great choice. (Try putting luggage for a two week trip for four or a mountain bike in a G70.) The Stinger will carve back roads, but the G70 is far better for that duty. And for the rising young mid-level executive the G70 says, "I'm hip but still conservative and value conscious. Promote me."
Congrats. I finish law school in a few...years. I seriously want one, and have never thought a Korean vehicle was worth my time. Those times have changed. Bummer this vehicle's production was short-lived. Would you mind giving us a quick comment/reply on a thirty-second update? What are your thoughts about ownership? How many miles are on your chassis? God bless.
@@bry0ung I still like the car but don’t “love” it. I had it wrapped in satin blue so it’s a visual stunner, but it’s not as compelling as I thought it would be. That probably comes from two issues: very little aftermarket support for the 2.0 and 6MT, and my other car is an LC500 coupe. That car is a masterpiece and I like it more each time I drive it. But so far, the 6,500 miles I’ve put on my G70 have been trouble free.
@@CapELarry have you done a jb4 tune and air intakes? I have the auto and it's a whole other car after those upgrades. I highly recommend it. I wish I got the manual but I might pick one up by winter o
"Isnt this just the Stinger skinny sister (same engine, trans, platform..ect)?" On the same platfrom but shrunken. And Stinger doesn't come with a manual.
Jun Tak: Cousins perhaps, but definitely not sisters. The Stinger adheres to the classic blueprint of a GT (Grand Touring) vehicle. The G70 is a true sports sedan. Its spiritual ancestor is the BMW 2002 and more recently the BMW 3 series. Different markets and different features/functionality/driving dynamics.
Sadly they just announced they're pulling the manual because North American sales were only a 100 for 2020 so its highly unlikely. As crazy as it sounds I'm looking to get one of the last ones available right now either new or used and within 5 years time or at the very latest once the warranty is done, I may look for a wrecked 3.3 and take that engine and mate it to the manual of the 2.0 that I plan on buying
Tommy....This is your most passionate, full circle, reason you got into this, connect the dots review, bringing in your vehicle history and passion. "10 years...strip it...roll cage...it's what I've done" I still have you bookmarked as E46 reviews with T.H! I can't wait to see your time attack content..HINT HINT.
Back in 2013 i bought the 3.8 genesis coupe, and absolutely loved it. Constantly got compliments and questions about it. Always heard it appeared to be a 50,000 car to people who didnt know better. Performance wise it was a blast, and left Camaro and mustang's in the dust on the regular. Glad to see they have at least partially carried over some of the traits to the genesis brand
Shorter review: thank you Genesis for creating this car which I’m going to buy in ten years to make into a race car. Wonderful review, but we enthusiasts need to buy this new so they keep making it.
He's right. This is my type of car too. I love e28, e30, e34 bmw. I'd get this over any other car out right now under $50k. Feeling slow? Ecu, exhaust, tune shop. This is the car
I used to drive a BMW E46 myself (sadly a vanilla automatic model) and traded it in for the original 2009 Genesis brand-new. I love that Genesis so much that I still drive it, ten years and 270,000 miles later. Now THIS is a car that takes the best of both vehicles into an even better package - I'll never get rid of my current Genesis (I'll semi-retire it into a weekend show car, maybe) but this will be the worth replacement.
Good job Genesis and Hyundai, you are making what us driver enthusiastics want that no company is making anymore. Good job. Great car. Now put a small block V8 with a manual and red please.
"it's been 20 years since we've had a RWD manual with an LSD." I'm looking at my 2.0T ATS with an LSD and a manual transmission and going, "Huh, I guess you mean nothing to him."
I think he meant to say it’s been 20 years since we had an “affordable” manual with LSD 🤣 I got my G70 brand new out the door for 36K in early 2020..CTS V and M3 manuals have been around but over 55k-60k starting price point.
Thank God, someone @ Hyundai and specifically @ Genesis definitely knew what it means to have a traditional handbrake along with a standard manual transmission with a LSD and RWD. Hence thankyou Mr. Albert Biermann for addressing our needs. For making an almost affordable driver's car.
As a genesis coupe 2.0t rspec owner. I'm telling everyone who is on the fence to buy this car. My genesis ( "underpowered" like this ) is a blast to drive. I know my platform is different. But I can tell you once sideways you can hold it and direct it where you want. The genesis platform isn't something to brush off. Now Hyundai/kia/genesis if your reading this. Make a g70 coupe manual and I'll see you at the dealership.
I'm not sure whether it'd be G70 coupe, but Hyundai is planning for a Genesis coupe model to be launched in 2022. After two SUVs each coming in 2020 and 2021. Just hoping those plans not be postponed.
Thing is that you dont need power to have fun. You just need an engaging car to drive. This is a reason why old mk1 Focus with run of the mill 2.0L Zetec motor with 132hp is much more fun that most modern cars that pretend desperately to be "sporty"
I realize this video is to a Canadian audience, so sorry to say that in the US, you can option 320i, 330i, and 340i, as well as the 430i and 440i coupes, with a manual transmission, no X-Drive required. I have an F30 328i that has a six speed manual and RWD, so I know. My pic will be on Instagram tomorrow :-). Great review, the G70 definitely has me intrigued.
Thank you this is the first and only 6pd G70 review I have seen. The only interesting G70 in the entire line up. A more appropriately sized than the ATS another great manual sedan. However, the main problem is enthusiasts like you. as you have said, you would buy it in 10 years. That's why no one is making them because no one is buying them new.
killertek78 I just got my 18 Elantra Sport 6m and I love it but I want this car so badly. I can’t tell whether this will be my next car or a scat pack/ hellcat
I'd prefer the 3.3T RWD, but I'd probably have to jump to the 4-popper simply due to the manual. If they put a nice modern manual with rev-matching and other features to the 3.3T and kept it purely RWD, that would be amazing. Coming from nothing but vanilla FWD cars all my life, I'm looking for a different experience and some actual power. Wonder if there are any tuning companies extracting some guts from the 2.0T?
I got to check out a 2020 2.0T Sport M/T yesterday afternoon, but didn’t have time for a test drive. The manuals are hard to find in my area. It’s a great looking car, the fit and finish is great, and the quality of the interior is very good. This one was a base model and had no options and had an MSRP of just user $40k US. Hoping to test drive one this spring!
I get that there isn't a 2019 Cadillac ATS, but you could get one since 2013 with RWD, manual trans, and a LSD for around the same price. It's a great car and EVERY SINGLE Genesis G70 review never acknowledges it existed (new 2018s are still available on dealer lots)
The fact that you can't get a manual BMW 3-Series without X-Drive is infuriating. Why BMW? It's heavier, suspension rides higher and reduces fuel economy. And it's more expensive. If customers want AWD then let them check the box as an option. Otherwise make RWD standard. You're not Audi. What's ironic is I used to be a BMW guy 100%. Now I like Audi's better. Audi has stayed true to their founding principles, unlike BMW.
You actually can. Or should I say, could, since I believe the F30 is out of production now. But right through 2018 BMW offered the 340i with a manual and RWD. No one buys those though.
I think for the U.S. market you can still get a manual non-m 3 series in RWD; automakers just assume Canadians will want AWD more, I guess. Also, Audi is ditching manuals
I get what you're going for but your point that you only want it used in ten years for cheap to make a race car is the reason nobody makes these cars, the market isn't there new.
What a fantastic car. I am still waiting for this car in manual to be available for test drive in Vancouver. I am considering this as replacement for my GTI 6spd.
Great car! Great video! Your the first one I could find about the 2.0. Thank you I looking to buy one in 5 years. I truly think if genesis can add reliability to luxury they are in for great success. I grew up loving Bmw but after becoming a Dad I have become VW enthusiast 3 passats later I find myself missing the suspension. I'm looking fwd to spreading wings in a Genesis.
My 2018 Cadillac ATS has all the important features the G70 has. RWD, manual, LSD, 2.0T with 272hp and 295 lb-ft of torque and I got it for $35000 CDN. The Genesis is nice, but it is not the only car available like this.
Do you have blind spot detection, lane keep assist, forward collision warning, automatic braking, adaptive cruise control, and driver attention alert standard?
Karl Rohde...Agreed! People tend to forget about the ATS, which is an excellent handling car. If only Cadillac had a better interior and no CUE system, I think it would also be talked about as a class leader.
I looked at the ATS before I bought a G70, but I could only test drive the automatic and the dealer wasn't very helpful. Genesis here ordered me a manual to test. I also didn't like the center stack or exterior of the ATS as much, and the value/reliability of the G70 seems to me to be a lot better. I did like how nimble the ATS was though.
Norm T The Accord 2.0T with a 6 speed is cheaper than this. You can’t it very well optioned sadly. No leather seats or any nice goodies. The Genesis G70 starts at $36k. An Accord 2.0T with a 6 speed manual is around $31-32k.
Kent The Stinger is discounted $8,000 off MSRP or $26-28K. A Stinger GT/GT2 is up to $10,000 off. Genesis wont be far behind with their new sedans as everyone wants SUVs.
Love this car so much! The manual transmission option is why I'm buying this. Thank you Genesis. Is this the same six speed out of the Genesis Coupe? Thomas do you know?
This car is awesome! I wish I could vote for it with my dollars to let genesis know ppl want a car like this. Hopefully it does well in the market to keep it around new.
Great review. As James would say, "Would you rather..." purchase and daily drive a G70 2.0L manual or a 2021 BMW 230i manual 2 door coupe? I can buy either one for practically the same price.
This definitely appeals to the enthusiast market but at $45K I think that's whats going to kill sales it's still 5-7k more than it should be. At 45K Most younger enthusiasts will opt for something slightly used and more desirable like a used BMW. Big thumbs up for Hyundai for making this sports sedan but you hit the nail on the head when you said "I would buy this in 10 years" and so will every other young gen person, he'll buy it for 15 - 20k and mod it.
Interestingly enough, now that the Veloster N is low 30's starting, it's a direct cost-competitor to a 2.0T g70...manual or not. In fact, very lightly used 6M g70's are considerably less. Big decisions if you can't manage to buy every car you like/want.
I've watched a lot of your newer videos. This is still great. Haven't heard your last name until now. Oh and how did you pick up that James guy? Of course I'm jealous of what you guys get to do, but I know you worked hard to get there and it's fun to watch on this end. Thanks!
Not a fan of Hyundai/Kia, but just got back from a trip in the Greek islands. Drove 4 different class A cars over 3 week period and surprisingly the i10 was my favorite. It was the oldest but fastest with the strongest chassis and great dynamics for the mountain roads. So, now I have to give Hyundai some cred and you no longer sound like a lunatic lol
Great review. I wish I could afford to buy one of these - in part just to support it in the marketplace. I did buy a manual transmission vehicle new in 2017 though, so #doingmypart to #savethemanuals !
When I’m in the market for my next car, I hope this is still available, or hopefully I can at least find a low mileage CPO. I just checked over the weekend, and there aren’t many 6-speed Sports in stock. Makes sense, as dealers know they aren’t going to sell too many of them, but this is the car enthusiasts will want.
I REALLY like *almost* everything about this car. I do have to say the build quality is great, and options amazing for the price. What i dont like is that it REQUIRES premium fuel. Before all the haters jump in and say "its turbocharged... u have to just cuz u have to" No you dont. When a manufacturer does it right it CAN run premium to make the most power but doesnt REQUIRE it. Ford for example.... all the of ecoboost engines can run any octane fuel u put in them. I have 2018 Taurus SHO that I love to death. Sure it makes more power on 93 but it doesnt get any better MPG with it. so why pay the extra 80 cents per gallon for my regular commute?! Any and all cars should be designed this way. if not, i feel it shows the computer controls and tuning they use are not very advanced. Combine that with the fact that this genesis gets HORRENDOUS MPG for a little 2.0 motor. I can see the turbo hurting the city rating. But Hwy under 30?? How is that even possible? Just cruising with no boost any 2.0 should be in the mid to upper 30s at minimum. again.... poor design\tuning
It also depends on the gearing. Manuals tend to get worse highway mileage because they have less od gears for highway speeds. I bet this thing runs @2.5k+ rpm at 60-65mph. And this is a heavy car too. And I don't think it requires premium? They say that, but any modern gdi engine should be able to adjust itself to run regular.
@@2010ngojo my 2012 mazda 3 with 6 speed manual runs about 2700 rpm @ 70mph. so call it about the same. It gets 40mpg all day long on a 2.0. sure it has half the horsepower, but at highway cruising speeds\ low throttle that makes no difference.
@@boost331 It also weighs less. About 500 to 700 pounds. It's also rwd which is slightly less efficient than a fwd. Sure 30mpg is kinda low for highway, I barely get 26 combined with my 2.0t car. But it's not something out of the ordinary.
Why are you complaining? Just keep your ford. I have the 3.3.T. I don't drive the speed limit, but I get better mileage than it's rated. Now when I put it in sport mode and step into the pedal, yeah! My mileage suffers. I look at it this way. Other vehicles with the same equipment and power will cost me at least ten thousand dollars (U.S. $) more. I will never eat up the price difference in gas money. If I get the rated 26 highway miles, and another vehicle gets 8 miles better. How many miles do you think I would have to drive to equal the price difference? You want a performance car, then complain about using premium fuel! WOW! Stick to your less powerful engine and call it a day. I've never heard of a person wanting a performance car complain about having to use higher octane fuel. What a vagina!
@@genesisg7022 I love the old school comment "performance cars need premium fuel" you drive a glorified KIA not a Ferrari dude. I hear the same nonsense from guys with their "high perfarmance" 200HP GTI. My point really is only that while the koreans put great tech into their interiors, the engine tech os years behind. Modern engines should all be able to run any fuel the user chooses. In most cases the loss of power is not even noticeable unless unless you are looking for a tenth or 2 on a racetrack. In that situation run your premium, 100 octane, or E85. Its 2020. Kia needs to catch up.
removing the clutch delay valve would make this car more fun, with less " rev hang". in terms of the way you compared this to an e46, makes me very interested.
The one thing I was hoping you were going to comment on is the absence of the rev matching downshift-I just bought my 2019 G70 stick and even the dealer guy didn't understand what I was talking about. My 2017 BMW M240i had one and yes it makes life more comfortable but not a necessity. Do you know for certain the G70 stick indeed has no rev matching ? Sometimes there are ways to configure the switches such as deactivating traction control by depressing the switch more than five seconds for example. Thanks for the enthusiastic review.
I finally got to test drive a G70 Sport in a manual last weekend. It was very nice, but also felt quite heavy to me. It might be a sporty sedan but it didn’t really feel that way to me. Of course, it being a test drive with a salesman along, I didn’t drive it hard, so maybe it’s much more fun when you push it. I liked the car but I wouldn’t buy one new without a substantial discount off MSRP. Instead I’d go for a CPO, even if I had to go get one out of state.
How about the 2019/2020/2021 BMW 230i, 2.0L turbo 4 cylinder, 2 door sport coupe, with manual transmission?? I know it is a coupe but how does it compare to the G70 otherwise?
I love my E39 and E46 but in between those old BMWs in this new shiny car I would have to say a used Lexus IS or Infiniti G sedan are pretty attractive options. Name another.....
@thethrottlehouse Thx very much for posting. Really impressed with this car. Wish it came out like a year earlier (when I was looking for a car to buy). Any chance they will pair the manual with a 300+ hp engine? AWD?
CORRECTION: The 2.0T has 252 HP not 225Hp as I say in voice over. Now when you instagram a photo for #savethemanuals and tag me, you can also tag #ThomasIsDyslexic
#saveautomatics
Good review. I liked it.
Throttle House 255HP
don't forget the cadillac ats sedan with a manual
Great review. Love it. Question - how did you find the room for your arm between the shifter and the arm rest (behind). Have heard there is limited room, where when downshifting, your arm/elbow can hit the arm rest. ??? I am waiting for one to arrive in Vancouver so I can test drive.
Anyone who can buy one of these right now, do it!! I can't afford one yet but I'd like it to still be around when I can!!! Don't let this trim become a market failure!!
bdicemk6 it was a market failure. No more manual
J L I think we could have called it, as sad as it sounds...
Done. I have taken your advice
@@BeyondLumination I believe we can still spec one out in Canada...for now. Makes me want to go out and buy one.
Just bought one for 21k with 22k miles. Their affordable now!
Genesis is what we get when Hyundai hires talent from Bentley, Lamborghini, Audi, BMW (M head) and many more!! This line of vehicles are the brainchild of some of the best in the business.
Stinger is what you get when KIA hires talent from BMW and Audi.
Zorba dog kia is a sub brand of hyundai
@@essaarif7941 it's not a sub brand it's it's own brand they're more like sister brands. Genesis is a sub brand of Hyundai
@@HowdyYall537 kias parent company is Hyundai lmao it's all under the same house
Kia, genesis , hyundai, ioniq all are sub brands of Hyundai motors
"I'm going to buy one of these..... in 10 years..."
That's probably why no one else makes these anymore.
@trstnhn I know. He's not buying it from Genesis.. He thinks someone else should buy it new first. If every manual enthusiast bought their cars used there wouldn't be any manuals. Cars are made for what NEW buyers want.
That's exactly TR's point. The "regular consumer" doesn't care about a manual transmission RWD sports sedan with a mechanical LSD, which explains why almost no automaker offers a M/T option anymore, since no one is buying these cars new.
Exactly Jason. Exactly. I would have condescendingly began my comment with "Again.." but otherwise perfect comment.
A person who buys the car from Genesis is a GENESIS customer. A person who buys the car 10 years later is a customer of the Genesis service department at BEST. Which of these consumers do you think Genesis cares about? Which of the two consumers do you think Genesis uses to decide what models and options they put out? The demand on a car with a manual transmission must be from people buying NEW cars. If it isn't there - you won't be seeing them on the used market 10 years from now because they were never made in the first place.
If you want manuals to live.. buy a NEW car with one. If you can't, fine... but don't blame the manufacturer for not making them later.
The problem is if no one buys this new then in 10 years time there wont be many of them on the road. Meaning if he were to look for one and turn it into a project car, well good luck.
In example back in the 90s Hyundai made a car called the Hyundai Scoupe, it was a small affordable 2 door "sports" car, which incidentally had a turbo, manual only version. Since back then no one cared for quirky turbo manual affordable "sports" car from a "cheap" brand not many were sold here in the US.
I've been looking for an Scoupe Turbo for years now without being able to find one in good condition.
Also try to find a 1970's Mazda RX4, they were sold in the states, but good luck finding one.
I fear the same will happen to a car like this G70.
I test drove one of these today. It handles like my 2003 BMW E46 but with more power and the goodies that come with a modern car. Finally, a worthy replacement that is affordable.
If you don’t like this car you’re just a hater. As a long time Acura and BMW fan, I would get this over everything each of those companies make. This is a huge win for Genesis.
Or I just don't like it
Im a Bmw/ euro diehard fan, but would and probably get it when my daily f10 is ready to be replaced. There simply isn’t anything comparable to this in current euro brands lineups.
It’s a fine car but it needs an inline 6 option for those of us that are real enthusiasts. This is competing with a 330 not the 340.
Lmao do you have one? 0-60 in 8 seconds. It's a poser car
@@sszhao11 I mean this comment is 4 years old lol. A lot has changed in 4 years.
Hyundai is in the process of establishing Genesis as a standalone luxury brand. To succeed they need to create buzz and showroom traffic in their new dealerships. The G70 is obviously part of that strategy. What better way to create interest among auto journalists (like Thomas) than to offer a classic European sport sedan in their lineup, especially as the Europeans have all but abandoned that small but still prestigious market. They won't sell many of the 2.0L, RWD, MT versions but offering it will draw some feet into the dealerships that wouldn't necessarily come to see the G80 or G90. If you like it, you better buy it because as another poster noted, it's not likely to be around in four or five years as the Genesis brand becomes established and demand for production of better selling V6 and AWD models increases.
As for a comparison between the G70 and the Stinger, that's an "apples to pineapples" comparison. Neither is the "better" car. Despite sharing engines, interior features, and important drive train components, they're aimed at different market segments. The Stinger is a true Grand Touring automobile, designed for more than a weekend away with a significant other. For those who want to take a long vacation and don't want an SUV, the size and liftback design make it a great choice. (Try putting luggage for a two week trip for four or a mountain bike in a G70.) The Stinger will carve back roads, but the G70 is far better for that duty. And for the rising young mid-level executive the G70 says, "I'm hip but still conservative and value conscious. Promote me."
I don't like the strange, ( no dealership ) marketing strategy.
If they don't have dealerships ( expenses ) why don't they discount the car more?
Hyundai is opening a set of Genesis dealers separate from Hyundai dealers. They are not selling the Genesis directly to consumers.
@@gar2008 lol. It's "strange" that you don't understand.
Beautifully put comment.
Have Hyundai and Genesis in same dealership is giving us poor service.. I will most likely sell my G70 3.3 for this reason
Just bought one. I LOVE this thing. Got it in Seville Silver with black interior.
Congrats. I finish law school in a few...years. I seriously want one, and have never thought a Korean vehicle was worth my time. Those times have changed. Bummer this vehicle's production was short-lived. Would you mind giving us a quick comment/reply on a thirty-second update? What are your thoughts about ownership? How many miles are on your chassis? God bless.
@@bry0ung you could probably get a great deal on one when you graduate. Lol
@@bry0ung I still like the car but don’t “love” it. I had it wrapped in satin blue so it’s a visual stunner, but it’s not as compelling as I thought it would be. That probably comes from two issues: very little aftermarket support for the 2.0 and 6MT, and my other car is an LC500 coupe. That car is a masterpiece and I like it more each time I drive it. But so far, the 6,500 miles I’ve put on my G70 have been trouble free.
@@CapELarry have you done a jb4 tune and air intakes? I have the auto and it's a whole other car after those upgrades. I highly recommend it. I wish I got the manual but I might pick one up by winter o
Still love it?
Stinger is cool but this looks way better.
Isnt this just the Stinger skinny sister (same engine, trans, platform..ect)?
Yes.
"Isnt this just the Stinger skinny sister (same engine, trans, platform..ect)?"
On the same platfrom but shrunken. And Stinger doesn't come with a manual.
Jun Tak: Cousins perhaps, but definitely not sisters. The Stinger adheres to the classic blueprint of a GT (Grand Touring) vehicle. The G70 is a true sports sedan. Its spiritual ancestor is the BMW 2002 and more recently the BMW 3 series. Different markets and different features/functionality/driving dynamics.
Stinger has much better looking tail lights
I'm so happy the decided to put a manual in g70 hopefully the 3.3t gets one in the future
Sadly they just announced they're pulling the manual because North American sales were only a 100 for 2020 so its highly unlikely. As crazy as it sounds I'm looking to get one of the last ones available right now either new or used and within 5 years time or at the very latest once the warranty is done, I may look for a wrecked 3.3 and take that engine and mate it to the manual of the 2.0 that I plan on buying
@@MrJjg123ish i wud love it if it were that ez. Id LS swap the 2.0. And keep the turbo, cuz what the heck?
@@alexivan8615 that would be sick or a VQ35HR out of an 07-09 350z
why didn't any of you buy it then?
Why is this the first time I'm hearing about this car? This is so cool!
An affordable manual sedan.
Tommy....This is your most passionate, full circle, reason you got into this, connect the dots review, bringing in your vehicle history and passion. "10 years...strip it...roll cage...it's what I've done" I still have you bookmarked as E46 reviews with T.H! I can't wait to see your time attack content..HINT HINT.
I will have an e46 update coming soon!
Back in 2013 i bought the 3.8 genesis coupe, and absolutely loved it. Constantly got compliments and questions about it. Always heard it appeared to be a 50,000 car to people who didnt know better. Performance wise it was a blast, and left Camaro and mustang's in the dust on the regular. Glad to see they have at least partially carried over some of the traits to the genesis brand
Shorter review: thank you Genesis for creating this car which I’m going to buy in ten years to make into a race car. Wonderful review, but we enthusiasts need to buy this new so they keep making it.
This is exactly how I felt driving my 06 g35 sedan 6mt. RWD. Luxury. Plenty of power.
Damn I miss that car!
He's right. This is my type of car too. I love e28, e30, e34 bmw. I'd get this over any other car out right now under $50k. Feeling slow? Ecu, exhaust, tune shop. This is the car
i nearly cried watching this. I feel ya bro. and good on ya Genesis. well done. well done.
Great Review! Great Car! Would buy this car if they offered the manual with the 3.3T.
I used to drive a BMW E46 myself (sadly a vanilla automatic model) and traded it in for the original 2009 Genesis brand-new. I love that Genesis so much that I still drive it, ten years and 270,000 miles later.
Now THIS is a car that takes the best of both vehicles into an even better package - I'll never get rid of my current Genesis (I'll semi-retire it into a weekend show car, maybe) but this will be the worth replacement.
Good job Genesis and Hyundai, you are making what us driver enthusiastics want that no company is making anymore. Good job. Great car. Now put a small block V8 with a manual and red please.
And kia too..
Your profile pic is aggravating lol
"it's been 20 years since we've had a RWD manual with an LSD." I'm looking at my 2.0T ATS with an LSD and a manual transmission and going, "Huh, I guess you mean nothing to him."
I think he meant to say it’s been 20 years since we had an “affordable” manual with LSD 🤣 I got my G70 brand new out the door for 36K in early 2020..CTS V and M3 manuals have been around but over 55k-60k starting price point.
Thank you there are still auto manufacturers out there that understand fun "purist" vehicles. Great review!
Thank God, someone @ Hyundai and specifically @ Genesis definitely knew what it means to have a traditional handbrake along with a standard manual transmission with a LSD and RWD.
Hence thankyou Mr. Albert Biermann for addressing our needs. For making an almost affordable driver's car.
As a genesis coupe 2.0t rspec owner. I'm telling everyone who is on the fence to buy this car. My genesis ( "underpowered" like this ) is a blast to drive. I know my platform is different. But I can tell you once sideways you can hold it and direct it where you want. The genesis platform isn't something to brush off.
Now Hyundai/kia/genesis if your reading this. Make a g70 coupe manual and I'll see you at the dealership.
G70 COUPE Manual!! Yes , please!
I'm not sure whether it'd be G70 coupe, but Hyundai is planning for a Genesis coupe model to be launched in 2022. After two SUVs each coming in 2020 and 2021. Just hoping those plans not be postponed.
Thing is that you dont need power to have fun. You just need an engaging car to drive. This is a reason why old mk1 Focus with run of the mill 2.0L Zetec motor with 132hp is much more fun that most modern cars that pretend desperately to be "sporty"
I am a fan of the host it is rare to find honesty anywhere in journalism
As a g70 2.0t owner, I absolutely agree with you and love this review.
Coming from a BMW guy I love this car rwd LSD plus Manuel trans 😮
The e90 was the last 3 series that could compare to this
G70>Stinger! All day!
Nice video TH!
#ThanksGenesis for hearing the enthusiast.
I agree starter cars are important.
I realize this video is to a Canadian audience, so sorry to say that in the US, you can option 320i, 330i, and 340i, as well as the 430i and 440i coupes, with a manual transmission, no X-Drive required. I have an F30 328i that has a six speed manual and RWD, so I know. My pic will be on Instagram tomorrow :-). Great review, the G70 definitely has me intrigued.
Ugh. Lucky.
In Canada the 340i (and 440i coupe) is available with a manual and RWD too.
Hands down, should have got this over the '19 WRX I picked up instead...lessons learned.
Thank you this is the first and only 6pd G70 review I have seen. The only interesting G70 in the entire line up. A more appropriately sized than the ATS another great manual sedan. However, the main problem is enthusiasts like you. as you have said, you would buy it in 10 years. That's why no one is making them because no one is buying them new.
My next car, when I feel the need to trade up from my 17 Elantra Sport MT.
Same here
I was about to buy the elantra sport 2018. . . i quickly changed my mind to this .
killertek78 I just got my 18 Elantra Sport 6m and I love it but I want this car so badly. I can’t tell whether this will be my next car or a scat pack/ hellcat
I wish it was a coupe... hoping the new generation Genesis Coupe is in the works! Great reviews by the way!
I'd prefer the 3.3T RWD, but I'd probably have to jump to the 4-popper simply due to the manual. If they put a nice modern manual with rev-matching and other features to the 3.3T and kept it purely RWD, that would be amazing.
Coming from nothing but vanilla FWD cars all my life, I'm looking for a different experience and some actual power. Wonder if there are any tuning companies extracting some guts from the 2.0T?
rev matching yourself is half the fun in a manual car
I got to check out a 2020 2.0T Sport M/T yesterday afternoon, but didn’t have time for a test drive. The manuals are hard to find in my area. It’s a great looking car, the fit and finish is great, and the quality of the interior is very good. This one was a base model and had no options and had an MSRP of just user $40k US. Hoping to test drive one this spring!
Genesis has come along way
the car makes sense in Waterloo...not in Toronto going to and from work
I get that there isn't a 2019 Cadillac ATS, but you could get one since 2013 with RWD, manual trans, and a LSD for around the same price. It's a great car and EVERY SINGLE Genesis G70 review never acknowledges it existed (new 2018s are still available on dealer lots)
As an owner of that Cadillac, I find myself going, "Huh?" all the time.
its a shame nobody is buying these, theyre exactly what all the enthusiasts are a asking for at an amazing price
Hyundai/Genesis please bring this to Europe and I will be the first one in the queue!
one day i’ll get one was so hype when I found out they came in manual
The fact that you can't get a manual BMW 3-Series without X-Drive is infuriating. Why BMW? It's heavier, suspension rides higher and reduces fuel economy. And it's more expensive. If customers want AWD then let them check the box as an option. Otherwise make RWD standard. You're not Audi. What's ironic is I used to be a BMW guy 100%. Now I like Audi's better. Audi has stayed true to their founding principles, unlike BMW.
Depends where you live.In Australia ,apart from the M3/4 cars, you can get the 3 series with a manual transmission, but not AWD
You actually can. Or should I say, could, since I believe the F30 is out of production now. But right through 2018 BMW offered the 340i with a manual and RWD. No one buys those though.
I think for the U.S. market you can still get a manual non-m 3 series in RWD; automakers just assume Canadians will want AWD more, I guess. Also, Audi is ditching manuals
Great review and video. Your opinions are genuine and it shows. Great stuff! You tipped the scales for me on this car. Thanks!
I get what you're going for but your point that you only want it used in ten years for cheap to make a race car is the reason nobody makes these cars, the market isn't there new.
i completely agree with this. this is the main problem with enthusiasts.
What a fantastic car. I am still waiting for this car in manual to be available for test drive in Vancouver. I am considering this as replacement for my GTI 6spd.
It's more matured design than the Stinger but both are good looking
Bong Lim the car looks better in real life.
Great car!
Great video!
Your the first one I could find about the 2.0.
Thank you
I looking to buy one in 5 years.
I truly think if genesis can add reliability to luxury they are in for great success. I grew up loving Bmw but after becoming a Dad I have become VW enthusiast 3 passats later I find myself missing the suspension. I'm looking fwd to spreading wings in a Genesis.
Excellent review as usual.....really enjoy your enthusiasm and insights...keep up the good work!!
My 2018 Cadillac ATS has all the important features the G70 has.
RWD, manual, LSD, 2.0T with 272hp and 295 lb-ft of torque and I got it for $35000 CDN.
The Genesis is nice, but it is not the only car available like this.
Do you have blind spot detection, lane keep assist, forward collision warning, automatic braking, adaptive cruise control, and driver attention alert standard?
Karl Rohde...Agreed! People tend to forget about the ATS, which is an excellent handling car. If only Cadillac had a better interior and no CUE system, I think it would also be talked about as a class leader.
I looked at the ATS before I bought a G70, but I could only test drive the automatic and the dealer wasn't very helpful. Genesis here ordered me a manual to test. I also didn't like the center stack or exterior of the ATS as much, and the value/reliability of the G70 seems to me to be a lot better. I did like how nimble the ATS was though.
@@melo2048 nope. They were all optional and I did not want them.
The G70 is a nice car, but it is not the only RWD, LSD manual sedan out there.
A much better driver than Accord 2.0T manual transmission. Cost less too!
Cost less? The Accord is probably like $32k fully loaded and the G70 is like $40k starting. Not even close.
Norm T The Accord 2.0T with a 6 speed is cheaper than this. You can’t it very well optioned sadly. No leather seats or any nice goodies. The Genesis G70 starts at $36k. An Accord 2.0T with a 6 speed manual is around $31-32k.
Matt B The Sringer GT2 is about $10,000 off MSRP if that gives you any indication of how good a deal. G70 could be.
Kent The Stinger is discounted $8,000 off MSRP or $26-28K. A Stinger GT/GT2 is up to $10,000 off. Genesis wont be far behind with their new sedans as everyone wants SUVs.
I LOVE this car, I'll be looking at one on the used car market down the road as I can't afford that right now but its got it ALL!!!
Love this car so much! The manual transmission option is why I'm buying this. Thank you Genesis. Is this the same six speed out of the Genesis Coupe? Thomas do you know?
I believe it’s a new design. But it is in house.
It's a new design.
When will it be available in the US?
This car is awesome! I wish I could vote for it with my dollars to let genesis know ppl want a car like this. Hopefully it does well in the market to keep it around new.
Purest form it is, well done, Koreans!
I haven't clicked in video so fast in while
Great review. As James would say, "Would you rather..." purchase and daily drive a G70 2.0L manual or a 2021 BMW 230i manual 2 door coupe? I can buy either one for practically the same price.
This definitely appeals to the enthusiast market but at $45K I think that's whats going to kill sales it's still 5-7k more than it should be. At 45K Most younger enthusiasts will opt for something slightly used and more desirable like a used BMW. Big thumbs up for Hyundai for making this sports sedan but you hit the nail on the head when you said "I would buy this in 10 years" and so will every other young gen person, he'll buy it for 15 - 20k and mod it.
Interestingly enough, now that the Veloster N is low 30's starting, it's a direct cost-competitor to a 2.0T g70...manual or not. In fact, very lightly used 6M g70's are considerably less. Big decisions if you can't manage to buy every car you like/want.
Lucky Americans...we are not getting MT G70 in korea, the homeland of Hyundai!!!!! This model is now a true USDM.
Great little review. Can't wait for you to try this car out at Mosport and let that rear end loose
Oh man. Let me at it. #killalltires
I've watched a lot of your newer videos. This is still great. Haven't heard your last name until now. Oh and how did you pick up that James guy?
Of course I'm jealous of what you guys get to do, but I know you worked hard to get there and it's fun to watch on this end. Thanks!
Thank you for this review! Can't wait til they're in stock.
If I could afford one, I’d definitely buy one new
Not a fan of Hyundai/Kia, but just got back from a trip in the Greek islands. Drove 4 different class A cars over 3 week period and surprisingly the i10 was my favorite. It was the oldest but fastest with the strongest chassis and great dynamics for the mountain roads. So, now I have to give Hyundai some cred and you no longer sound like a lunatic lol
Hahaha. Wait until you try one of these.
Great review. I wish I could afford to buy one of these - in part just to support it in the marketplace. I did buy a manual transmission vehicle new in 2017 though, so #doingmypart to #savethemanuals !
My lease on the tlx runs out in 2 years... hopefully this will still be available
That is some high praise for this car. Damned if you didn't sell me one.
R.I.P manual.
As expected the ppl that can afford it don't want a manual.
I'd like to see a re-review of one of these some day 😋
This is my next car… it will be in my driveway in a few months
Did u get it?
Great video brother. Thank you
These genesis are starting to sell I'm starting to see a lot of these cars on the road genesis is definitely making there mark
when is the Gen Coupe going to be rebourn?
When I’m in the market for my next car, I hope this is still available, or hopefully I can at least find a low mileage CPO. I just checked over the weekend, and there aren’t many 6-speed Sports in stock. Makes sense, as dealers know they aren’t going to sell too many of them, but this is the car enthusiasts will want.
Great review, subbed!
Ride a bicycle. It's the ultimate manual.
28 gears but no clutch :(
DuBstep115 it’s a sequential transmission on a bike, no lift shift!
@@iDrive4fun93 I have even seen shimano electronic gears without gear cable called SRAM
DuBstep115 SRAM is its own brand, Shimano’s biggest competition
I REALLY like *almost* everything about this car. I do have to say the build quality is great, and options amazing for the price. What i dont like is that it REQUIRES premium fuel. Before all the haters jump in and say "its turbocharged... u have to just cuz u have to" No you dont. When a manufacturer does it right it CAN run premium to make the most power but doesnt REQUIRE it. Ford for example.... all the of ecoboost engines can run any octane fuel u put in them. I have 2018 Taurus SHO that I love to death. Sure it makes more power on 93 but it doesnt get any better MPG with it. so why pay the extra 80 cents per gallon for my regular commute?! Any and all cars should be designed this way. if not, i feel it shows the computer controls and tuning they use are not very advanced. Combine that with the fact that this genesis gets HORRENDOUS MPG for a little 2.0 motor. I can see the turbo hurting the city rating. But Hwy under 30?? How is that even possible? Just cruising with no boost any 2.0 should be in the mid to upper 30s at minimum. again.... poor design\tuning
It also depends on the gearing. Manuals tend to get worse highway mileage because they have less od gears for highway speeds. I bet this thing runs @2.5k+ rpm at 60-65mph. And this is a heavy car too.
And I don't think it requires premium? They say that, but any modern gdi engine should be able to adjust itself to run regular.
@@2010ngojo my 2012 mazda 3 with 6 speed manual runs about 2700 rpm @ 70mph. so call it about the same. It gets 40mpg all day long on a 2.0.
sure it has half the horsepower, but at highway cruising speeds\ low throttle that makes no difference.
@@boost331
It also weighs less. About 500 to 700 pounds. It's also rwd which is slightly less efficient than a fwd. Sure 30mpg is kinda low for highway, I barely get 26 combined with my 2.0t car. But it's not something out of the ordinary.
Why are you complaining? Just keep your ford.
I have the 3.3.T. I don't drive the speed limit, but I get better mileage than it's rated.
Now when I put it in sport mode and step into the pedal, yeah! My mileage suffers.
I look at it this way.
Other vehicles with the same equipment and power will cost me at least ten thousand dollars (U.S. $) more.
I will never eat up the price difference in gas money.
If I get the rated 26 highway miles, and another vehicle gets 8 miles better.
How many miles do you think I would have to drive to equal the price difference?
You want a performance car, then complain about using premium fuel!
WOW!
Stick to your less powerful engine and call it a day.
I've never heard of a person wanting a performance car complain about having to use higher octane fuel.
What a vagina!
@@genesisg7022 I love the old school comment "performance cars need premium fuel" you drive a glorified KIA not a Ferrari dude. I hear the same nonsense from guys with their "high perfarmance" 200HP GTI. My point really is only that while the koreans put great tech into their interiors, the engine tech os years behind. Modern engines should all be able to run any fuel the user chooses. In most cases the loss of power is not even noticeable unless unless you are looking for a tenth or 2 on a racetrack. In that situation run your premium, 100 octane, or E85. Its 2020. Kia needs to catch up.
I think they don't introduce manual with 3.3 GDI because ... idk.... but they are just awesome
removing the clutch delay valve would make this car more fun, with less " rev hang". in terms of the way you compared this to an e46, makes me very interested.
This is what I wanted, right now I have a focus st. Guess I gotta stop by the dealership and take a look at this.
The title blew me away
Any car that offers a manual gets my attention. Sadly no S4/S3 or new 3series in 6MT.
Holy shit a new car that isn't garbage! I could do without the touch screen tho, and the possible fake engine noises
we in Indonesia are really waiting for this car to be sold officially
If I had the money I'd go for one
The one thing I was hoping you were going to comment on is the absence of the rev matching downshift-I just bought my 2019 G70 stick and even the dealer guy didn't understand what I was talking about. My 2017 BMW M240i had one and yes it makes life more comfortable but not a necessity. Do you know for certain the G70 stick indeed has no rev matching ? Sometimes there are ways to configure the switches such as deactivating traction control by depressing the switch more than five seconds for example. Thanks for the enthusiastic review.
I finally got to test drive a G70 Sport in a manual last weekend. It was very nice, but also felt quite heavy to me. It might be a sporty sedan but it didn’t really feel that way to me. Of course, it being a test drive with a salesman along, I didn’t drive it hard, so maybe it’s much more fun when you push it.
I liked the car but I wouldn’t buy one new without a substantial discount off MSRP. Instead I’d go for a CPO, even if I had to go get one out of state.
How about the 2019/2020/2021 BMW 230i, 2.0L turbo 4 cylinder, 2 door sport coupe, with manual transmission??
I know it is a coupe but how does it compare to the G70 otherwise?
Prices in the US were just released. $38,895 for the 2.0T Sport
Lmao I was taken back by the low ass Horsepower. Then, correction lol.
You think 230 is low horsepower?
Great car, I agree with all your points. I think however the styling is not as nice as a BMW but it will do.
I love my E39 and E46 but in between those old BMWs in this new shiny car I would have to say a used Lexus IS or Infiniti G sedan are pretty attractive options. Name another.....
Does anyone know when the G70 will arrive at dealer lots? Can't find one for sale anywhere.
Its been for sale in Canada for months now....(due our our easier trade agreements Canada/Korea). US is a few weeks away now.
Dealers across chicago have them so far.
I have a 1987 E28 M5 & a 2001 E46 Compact Sport (2.0TD), i hear what you are saying.
How would this feel on track? Obviously not a dedicated track car, but I like a daily you can do a few laps in.
1:46 "That's why I'm so excited, see how excited I am" (Canadian dry humor)
Great 👌 review.. I own G70 3.3. Love it but service at dealership in California is horrible..
@thethrottlehouse Thx very much for posting. Really impressed with this car. Wish it came out like a year earlier (when I was looking for a car to buy). Any chance they will pair the manual with a 300+ hp engine? AWD?
I am glad they made a manual I'm more turned off buying newer cars because of losing the manual
Awesome !!!!! Same color as mine but I got 3.3TT
Michael Vachon best color for this car; can’t wait to get mine.