I can hear the late great Michael Bonney in my ear #ride4mb - Standards are extremely important in any industry - they allow for growth through ongoing support for past, present and future designs.
In no industry there are universal standards. Those are suggestions for the baseline. Thing with bikes though, how little to none paperwork from regulatory bodies and consent from consumers is needed to discard them... But on a more related note, there is no standard bike rider. So the componentry should match this variance
I think some of the new standards are great because they eliminate having several different standards. Look at what Sram did in the last year. All of the sudden every bike can be bought with UDH. How long have we been waiting for that? If you're not thinking outside the box, you never get faster! Once you find something that works then you have to release it to see what the people think.
Acoustics are to do with sound and nothing to do with bikes, hence why an acoustic guitar makes sense but acoustic bikes are just stupid, it’s just a bike 😂.
I am weird in that I like to find what parts I like and then run them on all my bikes, buuuuuut I also like color matching my builds. This leads to a few issues when not every body makes all the sizes of all the things.
To be fair, those pretty much are the 'standards' these days... the only thing I'd add that with dropper posts, actually having a fatter seat tube (ie. Specialized's 34.9) makes sense so you can have a correspondingly larger diameter stanchion for less flex.
They hardly would: those are mass produced parts so the tooling is present in multiple numbers anyway. Doesn't matter if you have x 31,6 tubes and y 34,9 or x+y of any of these two. However without the different standards some companies would simply not operate at all, as them making niche products for niche purposes - not being able to make money is quite the opposite of saving money.
I hate when manufacturers put weird or outdated standards to save money. Like here is a good idea: let's pair a 1x12 Shimano derailleur and an HG hub so the customer is limited to 2-3 models of cassette or has to change the hub. Also I hate having to do a week long research everytime I want to upgrade something to make sure I buy the correct standard.
Ironically an hg freehub has way more options than an xd or ms freehub. Those ladder two limit you to only a few choice from their perspective brands. But freehub bodies are cheap to replace luckily.
@@dylan-5287 More options? So far I've found Sunrace, which I already have on my bike, SRAM SX/NX and Garbaruk which cassettes cost 1/2 of a price of entire XT groupset. When you have MS you can put anything from Shimano (Deore, SLX, XT, XTR) and basically any brand that makes 12s cassettes because they make them in MS. Same with SRAM's XD. Another thing is usually you can't simply replace HG freehub body with MS and call it a day. In my case I'd have to get a new hub. That means basically disassembling the wheel, new spokes and nipples to fit new hub or simply a new wheel.
Options might be limited, but But good options for HG are Garbaruk 11-50T 11 Speed HG, or cheap option Shimano M5100 which is about twice as heavy, uses plastic spacers. I've not tried Microspline yet.
@@mtbboy1993 My friend, Garbaruk is so expensive I can have my wheel redone with new microspline hub and new spokes for that price or get a whole new wheel. Shimano M5100 is a 11 speed casette. Shimano's cheapest 12s casette is M6100 and it's microspline.
SunRace has HG cassettes in 12 speed, but I've had bad experience with their 11 speed, so seems like Shimano m5100 11 speed or going to 12 speed Microspline are only options, but you are right, it comes with additional cost of the freehub if not already on the bike. Have you tried Microspline? I've not yet.@@DirtlovR
Standards!?!? Clipless pedals are literally defined by having “clips.” If that’s not weird enough, nothing on a 29” wheel measures 29” We literally measure wheels by tire size. The list of silliness is nearly endless. Combining metric and imperial measurements in a single specification is the crowning glory of our industry non-standard standards.
@@gmbntech wym sometimes? They are both ETRTO 622, so almost always, except extremely wide rims and extremely narrow tyres: you still can fit those, but they won't stay
good point. However, having a budget alternative to a SRAM Eagle GX/NX 12-speed would be nice for those with xD freehubs. Those are quite popular cassettes too.
True, although it has created the irritating scenario where brands are now able to spec a more desirable 12 speed Deore or SLX groupset, then pair it with a cheaper HG cassette. So when the cassette inevitably wears out, you're forced to upgrade your freehub (possibly even the whole wheel, depending on the hub) if you want a genuine Shimano 12 speed cassette.
@@RicardoPetrazzi I'd say the cassette is the best part of SX/GX/NX, so if you would want to swap it, better do the whole drivetrain, freehub body including.
It sure is.. they should have flipped the image though. For people who still don't know.. the woman on the famous "calculations expression" meme is a famous soup opera actress here in Brazil and her name is Renata Cipullo.. I'm kidding.. her name is Renata Sorrah. Now you know. Tell your friends.
It's not only Pivot but the history behind Pivot is interesting it's a bit of a cult following, the hype was incredible, nowadays it doesn't have the same power as it did...
@@LaurentiusTriarius interesting? Yeah I know A LOT of brands charge big money but they seem to be in a league of their own and the bikes are nothing special!?🤷🏼♂️
@@jmo2752 Yeti is another brand that I don’t understand why they’re so expensive? Is it a status thing? Seems crazy spending way over the odds for a bike that gets quite a bit of stick online!🤷🏼♂️😂
Excellent discussion. We need to hear more people giving feedback to bike manufacturers and component manufacturers. As a person who spent his early career as an engineer, followed by 40+ years in information technology, I grew up believing religiously in standards. I even participated in a few standards design committees. As I became more involved with mountain biking, and learning to maintain my family’s bikes, divergence away from standards has regularly broken my heart and made me cry 😢. However, towards the end of my IT career I participated in a standards forum where a fellow speaker made a very good point. It was that diverging away from the long accepted standard is how new innovations occur. Without diverging, creativity gets stifled until there is an inevitable breakthrough. This repeated cycle of coming together to agree on a standard, then diverging away from the standard is necessary for continuous improvement. It is progress. Yeah, I know it also allowed Shimano and Suntour and Campagnolo and Sram to make a LOT of money by forcing us all to change out perfectly good components we had for newer technology. And that sucks 👎🏾
I have a 142 hub and many 148s. I can't fit boost into non-boost but vice versa. Until I got a 135mm DT Swiss hub that can swap the end caps to fit any dropout. Why can't we have hubs standardized?
I made the mistake of buying a nos frame with 142 dropouts. Didnt realize that the vast majority of pre-built wheels are now boost. Really cuts down on selection.
I'm always saying that there are too many bottom bracket sizes, would love to see that for sure. I also think that if we get suspension so that it is adjustable, works for different disciplines and different size people...can we stop all of the different sizes?? Always a great show, thanks for sharing!!
Bottom bracket, headset, and seat-post should definitely be standardized....Since a lot of people like up-grading older bikes, the latest forks should be available in straight, or tapered tube......
@@ellerybice3787 I do as well, although would prefer not to have some that simply hang in a tool box and not get used because a size changed once again. HA!
@@jackiegammon2065consider that many of those pretty anodized blue bottom bracket sockets from park tools could double as Christmas tree ornaments. 🎅🏻🧑🏻🎄
#askgmbntech do you have any tips on how to deal with big manufacturers that sell faulty products (by design) or faulty at manufacturing and refuse to handle it as a warranty because "there is nothing wrong with it". Examples would be brand-new forks that need to be fully rebuilt from the get go or propriety headsets destroying steerer tube?
#askgmbnteck my brake disc rubs only when I'm leaning in a corner, but if the bike is on the stand or I'm driving, they don't rub, I checked all the screws and they're tight, the axle is tight, the screws that hold the caliper are tight, the screws that hold the disc are tight, the bearings in the hubs of the first wheel are tight "like new". and that's just on the front wheel
As long as the manufacturer provides comprehensive specs then I'm fine with different standards, just need to know what offset etc I need when I break something
The only "standard" in the biking industry is the consist marketing that your older bike is trash and you MUST buy the fancy new shiny one, because it's "BETTER" . Double down on that marketing for E-MTB's!
@@That_Stealth_Guy you have to draw the line somewhere, if you don’t, you get stuck in a loop and would end up saying the first mountainbike isn’t outdated. A 2018 demo is still a proper bike, but its outdated, even 2015 bikes are incredibly capable, but I draw my line at 5 years, which is very readable. My oldest bike is a 2020, amazing bike, but its not as capable as the 2024 version, yet more capable then the 2018 version. Bikes change over the years.
@@mattiasvanoverbeke1831 For an advanced or competitive riders your generalization makes some sense, but for most riders it doesn't work out. In the case of the Specialized Demo example I used, that particular bike has changed very little since 2018 and for 99% of the riders they would not be able to tell a difference in riding one.
@@mattiasvanoverbeke1831 Mountain bikes cover a lot of people, not just competitive trail riders and those looking for the next lightest carbon wheels....I have a couple of bikes, one is a 2019 Specialized Rockhopper with Schwinn Stingray bars and a metalflake banana seat and sissybar....I love riding it and the wheels I want are chrome, so it's off to the powdercoater..We're hot rodders, and we like combining some of the new trick stuff on older frames/designs..Many of us just like the look of a mountain bike, and occasionally travel the odd dirt path, over to the park, etc.....We would rather spend the money on custom finishes and a "trick" overall look....I never get my bike wet, I dont ride in the rain, and any dirt or dust is removed immediately......Many of us run slick tires.....
“Standards/New Standards” as for Hubs going from 142x12 to 148x12, to your point of stronger wheels from wider hub flanges. Each hub company has different specs and in general the flanges only got about 3mm wider. Very marginal compared to the Super Boost 157x12 hub flanges. I love my Hardtail’s with 142x12 and don’t see the point of getting a marginal gain in getting a Boost spacing hardtail except for the ability to switch wheel sets with your full suspension bike. But maybe you just want to switch with you gravel bike(depending on the fork)
Dictionary definition: relating to sound or the sense of hearing. What does a non electric mtb have to do with sound? It is just a stupid way to use the word. It's not even clever slang.
I rode my "acoustic unplugged" bicycle today: Hope Pro II rear hub sounds great. 26 inch wheels, front derailleur, flat handlebar and a wonderful frame with classic geometry are still excellent standards.
The problem with "standard" is that two different definitions are being confused. From Merriam Webster: "Something set up and established by authority as a rule for the measure of quantity, weight, extent, value, or quality" (e.g. there's published measurements and tolerances to be met in manufacturing of said part) is completely different than the common usage of "widely adopted", in the same way that a scientific theory is a well researched body of work with ample evidence and not just some guess.
It's so SRAM could quietly and slyly right in front of us all standardize the UDH and divide the market into bikes i can get a t type on and bikes i won't buy.
The word “acoustic” has to do with the way sound is amplified. So, sure, it might be a fun little play on words, but, like Porsche calling the taycan a “turbo,” it makes no sense 😉 love the show!
Nice to see a manufacturer using a carbon process where is doesn't use resin, great for the environment being recyclesable. All manufactures who build carbon frames / parts should be doing the same.
Definately the UDH "standard" bugs me because I am pretty sure the moment I get a bike with it, that standard will go the way of the Dodo bird. Things are touted to be "the future" and yet you know they will not. There are vey few things that can be relied on. For example the 170mm crank "standard" is weakening. Should we embrace change? Should I buy an eMTB or wait until they become as light as my acoustic bike? The push seems to be buy now.
#askgmbntech after you've plugged a tyre on a ride what do you do when you're home to fix it properly or is that it job done? (new to this tubeless lark and there's nothing on this in your book)
You’re done. It’s fixed. Except perhaps if you used a CO2 cartridge to re-inflate your tyres… Letting the CO2 out and pumping up again with fresh air can prevent some corrosion.
Such tubeless plugs are even used for car tires sometimes. Normally it's a emergency repair there and you have to repair that properly with a plug put in from the inside, however some still use it there for permanent use
#askgmbntech speaking of standards, I need help mixing and matching steerer and head tubes. I have a set of RS Totems with a 1.5in straight steerer and would like to fit them into a frame with a tapered head tube. The Nukeproof Warhead 44eeos headset would work for this, however I can’t find one for sale and they stopped making them. Is there anything similar? Can I buy an EC44 external cup and run it in the top?
Boutique brands like Starling Cycle typically run a tapered fork in a straight 1.125 inch steerer tube by using an internal headset bearing on top and an external 1,5 cup bearing on the bottom. So it should be feasible to run an external cup on top.
That could be one of the reasons, but we think the real reason is experimentation! You don't know if something works better until you try it 🤘Without standard changes we'd still be riding rigid MTBs with thin wheels 🤙
#askgmbn - looking at that new Switchblade what are your thoughts on OEM colour matched forks? Do they 'finish off' the look, or do they kill it? (I'm in the later camp... all those builds would look better with standard graphics).
I use the terms "Bio-Bike" and "Bio-Mountain Bike" all the time while talking bikes. I have found it to get get less questions and comments here in Germany.
That term is purely German. I never heard that outside Germany. The word Bio is also only used in Germany, the equivalent term used for the food is "organic" in the English language.
@@simonm1447 If we were talking about food, I'd give it to you, but we're not. It's the difference between an "e"lectric powered machine and one "bio"logically powered that is being conveyed.
Mountain bike standards aren't that bad. They are just what some radon person no one has heard of. Deciding when next weeks standard is. As for seat posts. At least Anna only had to deal with a round seat post that was too bad. Pleae don't get me started about aero road seat posts. Anna's thing about Ford and VW parts been different made me laugh. Thinking of the VW Caddy van and the Ford Transit Connect van. The Ford Transit Connect makes me think of a VW Caddy van that decidedwork done by a blind "platic surgeon". Then has been crashed.
Re: "Acoustic" vs "Electric" bikes. Language serves to aid in communication. If EVERYONE understands that saying "mountain bike" means "not an electric mountain bike" then we're in good shape to not add a distinction like "acoustic" to it. BUT people ARE using "mountain bike" to describe both electric mtbs and motorless mountain bikes...so we need to make a distinction. Call it whatever you want. Hell, call it a "real" mountain bike if you want to continually wind up your friends and potentially hurt some feelings. "Traditional" sounds too old to refer to the latest Pivot, last year's Forbidden Druid, etc.. "Normal" sounds underwhelming. Language is to be played with and is an expressive tool. Have fun with it. My friends are going to get more laps on their battery-powered bikes but I'm going to feel a little more accomplished when I set a PR on my protein-powered bike. I try to keep my life simple and I'm forgetful, so I'm not interested in their plug-in peddlers. I'm happy with my hummus hucker.
What are your views about bike standards past and present?
I can hear the late great Michael Bonney in my ear #ride4mb - Standards are extremely important in any industry - they allow for growth through ongoing support for past, present and future designs.
In no industry there are universal standards. Those are suggestions for the baseline. Thing with bikes though, how little to none paperwork from regulatory bodies and consent from consumers is needed to discard them...
But on a more related note, there is no standard bike rider. So the componentry should match this variance
I think some of the new standards are great because they eliminate having several different standards. Look at what Sram did in the last year. All of the sudden every bike can be bought with UDH. How long have we been waiting for that? If you're not thinking outside the box, you never get faster! Once you find something that works then you have to release it to see what the people think.
Acoustics are to do with sound and nothing to do with bikes, hence why an acoustic guitar makes sense but acoustic bikes are just stupid, it’s just a bike 😂.
I am weird in that I like to find what parts I like and then run them on all my bikes, buuuuuut I also like color matching my builds. This leads to a few issues when not every body makes all the sizes of all the things.
I always joke and say, E-bike and Me-bike. E(lectric) powered vs Me powered. 😉
I drink me-caf and decaf.
"Acoustic" doesn't work for non-ebikes because it comes from the Greek akoustikos, meaning "of or for hearing, ready to hear".
Eh, you can hear ebikes.
@@davidmurphy9151what's that got to do with anything?
Can you imagine how much money bike and bike parts companies could save if there were ONLY 31.6 seatposts and 73 BSA thread in Bottom Brackets.
To be fair, those pretty much are the 'standards' these days... the only thing I'd add that with dropper posts, actually having a fatter seat tube (ie. Specialized's 34.9) makes sense so you can have a correspondingly larger diameter stanchion for less flex.
They hardly would: those are mass produced parts so the tooling is present in multiple numbers anyway. Doesn't matter if you have x 31,6 tubes and y 34,9 or x+y of any of these two.
However without the different standards some companies would simply not operate at all, as them making niche products for niche purposes - not being able to make money is quite the opposite of saving money.
I'm so tired of having mountain bikes labeled because of e-bikes. There are e-bikes and there are mountain bikes there is no analog or acoustic bike.
I hate when manufacturers put weird or outdated standards to save money. Like here is a good idea: let's pair a 1x12 Shimano derailleur and an HG hub so the customer is limited to 2-3 models of cassette or has to change the hub. Also I hate having to do a week long research everytime I want to upgrade something to make sure I buy the correct standard.
Ironically an hg freehub has way more options than an xd or ms freehub. Those ladder two limit you to only a few choice from their perspective brands. But freehub bodies are cheap to replace luckily.
@@dylan-5287 More options? So far I've found Sunrace, which I already have on my bike, SRAM SX/NX and Garbaruk which cassettes cost 1/2 of a price of entire XT groupset. When you have MS you can put anything from Shimano (Deore, SLX, XT, XTR) and basically any brand that makes 12s cassettes because they make them in MS. Same with SRAM's XD.
Another thing is usually you can't simply replace HG freehub body with MS and call it a day. In my case I'd have to get a new hub. That means basically disassembling the wheel, new spokes and nipples to fit new hub or simply a new wheel.
Options might be limited, but But good options for HG are Garbaruk 11-50T 11 Speed HG, or cheap option Shimano M5100 which is about twice as heavy, uses plastic spacers. I've not tried Microspline yet.
@@mtbboy1993 My friend, Garbaruk is so expensive I can have my wheel redone with new microspline hub and new spokes for that price or get a whole new wheel. Shimano M5100 is a 11 speed casette. Shimano's cheapest 12s casette is M6100 and it's microspline.
SunRace has HG cassettes in 12 speed, but I've had bad experience with their 11 speed, so seems like Shimano m5100 11 speed or going to 12 speed Microspline are only options, but you are right, it comes with additional cost of the freehub if not already on the bike. Have you tried Microspline? I've not yet.@@DirtlovR
Standards!?!?
Clipless pedals are literally defined by having “clips.” If that’s not weird enough, nothing on a 29” wheel measures 29” We literally measure wheels by tire size. The list of silliness is nearly endless.
Combining metric and imperial measurements in a single specification is the crowning glory of our industry non-standard standards.
Very interesting that you brought that up! Did you know you can sometimes fit a 700c (28 inch) on a 29" rim if its wide enough?
@@gmbntech wym sometimes? They are both ETRTO 622, so almost always, except extremely wide rims and extremely narrow tyres: you still can fit those, but they won't stay
I find it interesting that KMC choose to enter the cassette market with only budget options in HG, they are listening to market demands...
good point. However, having a budget alternative to a SRAM Eagle GX/NX 12-speed would be nice for those with xD freehubs. Those are quite popular cassettes too.
I'm glad they stepped in HG. It's more available for me for cheaper priced cassette
True, although it has created the irritating scenario where brands are now able to spec a more desirable 12 speed Deore or SLX groupset, then pair it with a cheaper HG cassette.
So when the cassette inevitably wears out, you're forced to upgrade your freehub (possibly even the whole wheel, depending on the hub) if you want a genuine Shimano 12 speed cassette.
@@RicardoPetrazzi I'd say the cassette is the best part of SX/GX/NX, so if you would want to swap it, better do the whole drivetrain, freehub body including.
I would guess that HG no longer needs to be licensed as opposed to microspline and xd/xdr
Lol thumbnail is epic!
It sure is.. they should have flipped the image though.
For people who still don't know.. the woman on the famous "calculations expression" meme is a famous soup opera actress here in Brazil and her name is Renata Cipullo.. I'm kidding.. her name is Renata Sorrah. Now you know. Tell your friends.
@@ssensselwhy flip it?
@@ToffeeDan The original meme has the woman facing the other way
One size seat tube, threaded BB. I'd also like for brands to use one size allen bolt for shock hardware, i.e. 5mm all-round.
I was just looking to install a dropper in my old Kona Dawg.... 30.6mm seat tube... 30.9 is too big and won't fit.
@@drewbrown9678you can get 27.2 droppers. PNW makes one.
@@drewbrown9678 27,2 with an adapter or some bike shops hone/ream the seattube
I keep asking, why are Pivots so expensive? Am I missing something?🤷🏼♂️
It's not only Pivot but the history behind Pivot is interesting it's a bit of a cult following, the hype was incredible, nowadays it doesn't have the same power as it did...
Presumably they took the decision to pitch themselves as more of a 'boutique' brand, like Yeti?
@@LaurentiusTriarius interesting? Yeah I know A LOT of brands charge big money but they seem to be in a league of their own and the bikes are nothing special!?🤷🏼♂️
@@jmo2752 Yeti is another brand that I don’t understand why they’re so expensive? Is it a status thing? Seems crazy spending way over the odds for a bike that gets quite a bit of stick online!🤷🏼♂️😂
This week's Weekly Question:
*Do you know which year Pivot Cycles was founded?*
2007
Chris Cocalis founded Pivot Cycles in 2007 (Mach 4 and Mach 5 where the first bikes...)
2007 started as Titus Cycles
No popular search engine use has been employed to find the answers! 😜
Just call it an MTB, that way it is just Implied it is NOT Electric. If electric just say that.
Excellent discussion. We need to hear more people giving feedback to bike manufacturers and component manufacturers.
As a person who spent his early career as an engineer, followed by 40+ years in information technology, I grew up believing religiously in standards. I even participated in a few standards design committees.
As I became more involved with mountain biking, and learning to maintain my family’s bikes, divergence away from standards has regularly broken my heart and made me cry 😢.
However, towards the end of my IT career I participated in a standards forum where a fellow speaker made a very good point. It was that diverging away from the long accepted standard is how new innovations occur. Without diverging, creativity gets stifled until there is an inevitable breakthrough. This repeated cycle of coming together to agree on a standard, then diverging away from the standard is necessary for continuous improvement. It is progress.
Yeah, I know it also allowed Shimano and Suntour and Campagnolo and Sram to make a LOT of money by forcing us all to change out perfectly good components we had for newer technology. And that sucks 👎🏾
I have a 142 hub and many 148s. I can't fit boost into non-boost but vice versa. Until I got a 135mm DT Swiss hub that can swap the end caps to fit any dropout. Why can't we have hubs standardized?
I made the mistake of buying a nos frame with 142 dropouts. Didnt realize that the vast majority of pre-built wheels are now boost. Really cuts down on selection.
I'm always saying that there are too many bottom bracket sizes, would love to see that for sure. I also think that if we get suspension so that it is adjustable, works for different disciplines and different size people...can we stop all of the different sizes?? Always a great show, thanks for sharing!!
Bottom bracket, headset, and seat-post should definitely be standardized....Since a lot of people like up-grading older bikes, the latest forks should be available in straight, or tapered tube......
Let us keep it complicated, I like buying more tools. 🚴🏼🚴🏼🚴🏼
@@ellerybice3787 I do as well, although would prefer not to have some that simply hang in a tool box and not get used because a size changed once again. HA!
@@jackiegammon2065consider that many of those pretty anodized blue bottom bracket sockets from park tools could double as Christmas tree ornaments. 🎅🏻🧑🏻🎄
I had to buy three seat post clamps for a 27.2 before I found one that fit - They were all within 1mm of each other.
Acoustic is annoying. It doesn't even make sense to say.
Got 4 bikes, each 3 years apart. Everytime I'm trying to change a single part, it feels like I've never worked on a bike before.
#askgmbntech do you have any tips on how to deal with big manufacturers that sell faulty products (by design) or faulty at manufacturing and refuse to handle it as a warranty because "there is nothing wrong with it". Examples would be brand-new forks that need to be fully rebuilt from the get go or propriety headsets destroying steerer tube?
ahaa! superb thumbnail
We had too! 🤣
I don’t know why but I love mop top! Plz don’t listen when anyone says it’s too long. You got style friend 👍👍
8:10 Nicolai has this, no idea for how long, but 10 years spare parts guarantee. I think my G1 might go strong past that.
#askgmbnteck my brake disc rubs only when I'm leaning in a corner, but if the bike is on the stand or I'm driving, they don't rub, I checked all the screws and they're tight, the axle is tight, the screws that hold the caliper are tight, the screws that hold the disc are tight, the bearings in the hubs of the first wheel are tight "like new". and that's just on the front wheel
What can I do
#askgmbntech Pivot Cycles founded in 2007. First bikes were Mach 4 & 5...pretty good bikes!
As long as the manufacturer provides comprehensive specs then I'm fine with different standards, just need to know what offset etc I need when I break something
Pivot came out with their first models in the summer of 2007, the Mach 4 and Mach 5.
The only "standard" in the biking industry is the consist marketing that your older bike is trash and you MUST buy the fancy new shiny one, because it's "BETTER" . Double down on that marketing for E-MTB's!
I’d say that any bike 5 years old or less is new enough, anything older would be outdated
@@mattiasvanoverbeke1831 So you are saying that a Specialized Demo from 2018 would be outdated and obsolete, yet the 2019 isn't?
@@That_Stealth_Guy you have to draw the line somewhere, if you don’t, you get stuck in a loop and would end up saying the first mountainbike isn’t outdated. A 2018 demo is still a proper bike, but its outdated, even 2015 bikes are incredibly capable, but I draw my line at 5 years, which is very readable. My oldest bike is a 2020, amazing bike, but its not as capable as the 2024 version, yet more capable then the 2018 version. Bikes change over the years.
@@mattiasvanoverbeke1831 For an advanced or competitive riders your generalization makes some sense, but for most riders it doesn't work out.
In the case of the Specialized Demo example I used, that particular bike has changed very little since 2018 and for 99% of the riders they would not be able to tell a difference in riding one.
@@mattiasvanoverbeke1831 Mountain bikes cover a lot of people, not just competitive trail riders and those looking for the next lightest carbon wheels....I have a couple of bikes, one is a 2019 Specialized Rockhopper with Schwinn Stingray bars and a metalflake banana seat and sissybar....I love riding it and the wheels I want are chrome, so it's off to the powdercoater..We're hot rodders, and we like combining some of the new trick stuff on older frames/designs..Many of us just like the look of a mountain bike, and occasionally travel the odd dirt path, over to the park, etc.....We would rather spend the money on custom finishes and a "trick" overall look....I never get my bike wet, I dont ride in the rain, and any dirt or dust is removed immediately......Many of us run slick tires.....
“Standards/New Standards” as for Hubs going from 142x12 to 148x12, to your point of stronger wheels from wider hub flanges. Each hub company has different specs and in general the flanges only got about 3mm wider. Very marginal compared to the Super Boost 157x12 hub flanges. I love my Hardtail’s with 142x12 and don’t see the point of getting a marginal gain in getting a Boost spacing hardtail except for the ability to switch wheel sets with your full suspension bike. But maybe you just want to switch with you gravel bike(depending on the fork)
Dictionary definition: relating to sound or the sense of hearing. What does a non electric mtb have to do with sound? It is just a stupid way to use the word. It's not even clever slang.
I rode my "acoustic unplugged" bicycle today: Hope Pro II rear hub sounds great. 26 inch wheels, front derailleur, flat handlebar and a wonderful frame with classic geometry are still excellent standards.
The problem with "standard" is that two different definitions are being confused. From Merriam Webster: "Something set up and established by authority as a rule for the measure of quantity, weight, extent, value, or quality" (e.g. there's published measurements and tolerances to be met in manufacturing of said part) is completely different than the common usage of "widely adopted", in the same way that a scientific theory is a well researched body of work with ample evidence and not just some guess.
Pivot Cycles was founded on 2007.
That thumbnail is just perfect 👌
2007 as titus. I wanted a Titus MotoLite so badly!
It's so SRAM could quietly and slyly right in front of us all standardize the UDH and divide the market into bikes i can get a t type on and bikes i won't buy.
Still not over how they managed it 👀
We feel your _standards_ pain
I thought you're here to tell Ollie visited Forge+bond
Finally my Mountain Cycle made it! Thanks Tech!
You could have cleaned it up a little? 🤦🏼♂️
@@Shawn-in-da-Canyon I'll bite. For what? It's a rider, not a garage queen. I ride my bikes, not stare at them. SMH
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@@01FozzyS It’s called respect for your bicycle man!
The word “acoustic” has to do with the way sound is amplified. So, sure, it might be a fun little play on words, but, like Porsche calling the taycan a “turbo,” it makes no sense
😉 love the show!
Acoustic? There are bicycles and there are motorcycles.
Not electric bicycles?
@@gmbntech Electric bike have motors.
Nice to see a manufacturer using a carbon process where is doesn't use resin, great for the environment being recyclesable. All manufactures who build carbon frames / parts should be doing the same.
Definately the UDH "standard" bugs me because I am pretty sure the moment I get a bike with it, that standard will go the way of the Dodo bird. Things are touted to be "the future" and yet you know they will not. There are vey few things that can be relied on. For example the 170mm crank "standard" is weakening. Should we embrace change? Should I buy an eMTB or wait until they become as light as my acoustic bike? The push seems to be buy now.
I keep calling acoustic bikes. "Clock work bikes."
#AskGMBNTech What's ur thought about the Shimano cues lineup. The most VFM of them is the u4000 series which costs around $180 for the whole groupset
What small office in Switzerland is dictating standards? Never heard of this before.
#askgmbntech after you've plugged a tyre on a ride what do you do when you're home to fix it properly or is that it job done? (new to this tubeless lark and there's nothing on this in your book)
You’re done. It’s fixed.
Except perhaps if you used a CO2 cartridge to re-inflate your tyres…
Letting the CO2 out and pumping up again with fresh air can prevent some corrosion.
Such tubeless plugs are even used for car tires sometimes. Normally it's a emergency repair there and you have to repair that properly with a plug put in from the inside, however some still use it there for permanent use
#askgmbntech speaking of standards, I need help mixing and matching steerer and head tubes.
I have a set of RS Totems with a 1.5in straight steerer and would like to fit them into a frame with a tapered head tube.
The Nukeproof Warhead 44eeos headset would work for this, however I can’t find one for sale and they stopped making them.
Is there anything similar? Can I buy an EC44 external cup and run it in the top?
Boutique brands like Starling Cycle typically run a tapered fork in a straight 1.125 inch steerer tube by using an internal headset bearing on top and an external 1,5 cup bearing on the bottom. So it should be feasible to run an external cup on top.
Amish bikes are my favorite!!!
Traditional mountain bikes are "Analog"....E-bikes are "Digital" to use a different analogy.
So called standards is all about making money
That could be one of the reasons, but we think the real reason is experimentation! You don't know if something works better until you try it 🤘Without standard changes we'd still be riding rigid MTBs with thin wheels 🤙
I heard people call it, Amish bikes, but don’t say on the channel because it might be offensive to the Amish people 😊
An acoustic bike is one with a noisy drivetrain......
#askgmbn - looking at that new Switchblade what are your thoughts on OEM colour matched forks? Do they 'finish off' the look, or do they kill it? (I'm in the later camp... all those builds would look better with standard graphics).
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When my parents ask me what is a memelord 🤣
I use the terms "Bio-Bike" and "Bio-Mountain Bike" all the time while talking bikes. I have found it to get get less questions and comments here in Germany.
That term is purely German. I never heard that outside Germany. The word Bio is also only used in Germany, the equivalent term used for the food is "organic" in the English language.
@@simonm1447 If we were talking about food, I'd give it to you, but we're not. It's the difference between an "e"lectric powered machine and one "bio"logically powered that is being conveyed.
Mountain bike standards aren't that bad. They are just what some radon person no one has heard of. Deciding when next weeks standard is. As for seat posts. At least Anna only had to deal with a round seat post that was too bad. Pleae don't get me started about aero road seat posts. Anna's thing about Ford and VW parts been different made me laugh. Thinking of the VW Caddy van and the Ford Transit Connect van. The Ford Transit Connect makes me think of a VW Caddy van that decidedwork done by a blind "platic surgeon". Then has been crashed.
Re: "Acoustic" vs "Electric" bikes.
Language serves to aid in communication. If EVERYONE understands that saying "mountain bike" means "not an electric mountain bike" then we're in good shape to not add a distinction like "acoustic" to it. BUT people ARE using "mountain bike" to describe both electric mtbs and motorless mountain bikes...so we need to make a distinction.
Call it whatever you want. Hell, call it a "real" mountain bike if you want to continually wind up your friends and potentially hurt some feelings. "Traditional" sounds too old to refer to the latest Pivot, last year's Forbidden Druid, etc.. "Normal" sounds underwhelming.
Language is to be played with and is an expressive tool. Have fun with it. My friends are going to get more laps on their battery-powered bikes but I'm going to feel a little more accomplished when I set a PR on my protein-powered bike. I try to keep my life simple and I'm forgetful, so I'm not interested in their plug-in peddlers. I'm happy with my hummus hucker.
To me they are still THE bikes.
#askgmbntech Is QR dead?
Three bikes, three sets of tools. Makes no sense.
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Wow Owen talking about road bikes again. What a roadie
A fountain of knowledge!
Owen is not boring, he’s just acoustic 😉
MTB standards have reached a great equilibrium now! Just buy a decent bike that's boost f+r and enjoy!
it's MTB and eMTB. Period.
150mm front, 177mm rear guys, Its brilliant. it allows all wheels sizes and great tyre clearance. Wider flanges, better for spokes
Is that axle length? 🤙
@@gmbntech dropout spacing, axle width. Fatbike
@@gmbntech Fatbike width. Is this Owen?
Electric Mountain Bikes = E-Bike ... Acoustic, Analogue and/or "Amish" Mountain Bikes = A-Bikes. Problem solved!
Interesting solution 🤙
Call acoustic bikes Amish bikes ?
We've also heard analogue being thrown about!
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Beautiful woman... Anna, come on, in France (JOUQUES) to ride with me.😊✌️🙏😘
MOUNTAIN BIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please. Bicycles are Bicycles, Ebikes are Ebikes. Come on