It doesn’t “help them reach the note”. It “is” the note. Stand alone. It’s just a cheat code. And thank you again, Fil! I swear, you’re doing the work of the Lord! lol
After you've watched people's behavior for a few decades, you see the truth in "people only see and hear what they WANT to see and hear". I have a tee shirt with the slogan "You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think". Keep fighting the good fight, Fil! You've got friends in youtubeland.
Hi Fil. I have known for sometime Charlie was autotuned/ pitch corrected… you can hear it in all his songs. He does have some catchy tunes that he does, but his voice can kind of grate on your nerves. Close To You was really unbearable to listen to him sing. Really laughable, and God Bless the fact that we have Karen Carpenter’s version. Great job on this one Fil, You Nailed It! Thanks so much Debbie☮️
Standard practice in today's music industry. EVERYBODY does it especially in the studio. Some does it more subtle than others though. I don't think they'd give you a record deal if you insist on a clause rejecting autotune/pitch correction as part of a clause in your contract.
Fil , you are one fine teacher! If I didn't know the words to the song, I would have thought he sang " sprinkled old stuff in your ear " ! As far as the second performance goes, that is just an example of outright fraud . To have people believe he just came up with that on the fly ! Fil, your ability to teach in such a way that is clear is another of your many gifts ! Excellent analysis! 💜
Your last clip provided a twist in this vocal analysis. From upfront artist of the "modern" sound genre to a participant in a fake improv performance with pre recorded bkgd vocals. Thorough analysis!
Me too hang on to the old stuff. But I wouldn't listen to anything that's been remixed past the year 1997. That's when pitch correction / auto tune was introduced
He admits it and actually uses the excuse EVERYBODY else is doing it. We now can see the end of civilization. I think I will become a singer, hell loads of other untalented people are doing.
That was aweful! To me, he sounded off key, his words were not clear, and he came nowhere near to sounding amazing like Karen Carpenter! I loved the eye roll Fil, lol. Congrats on hitting 349k suscribers! You are doing an excellent job!
I watched the leadup given here to the performance that was on the HS Show and I was thinking that, wow, this guy must be so talented that I may not be able to tell he's pitch corrected. So the audio starts playing and I am astounded. He quite obviously sounds like he's got a box over his head. It's not even close. No one should be fooled by this.
I don't know how Fil, that after all this time of repeatedly trying to explain what a scam modern pitch corrected music is, you keep your demeanor so calm and polite. Whereas you shoud be, at this point, screaming "this is BULLSHIT".
I really like your videos! I actually wish that artists would tell you upfront whether they've used pitch correction on not on their studio recordings. And ESPECIALLY whether they use it live or not. Because there's no way I'll pay for a "live" concert if it's autotuned live.
Fil... you're a Saint. The hate in some of these comments is just down right ugly. Honestly man... your videos are fantastic. You deserve great success 👏👏👏
Well, sorta makes sense that in an age of snapping to grids, MIDI this 'n' that, over-quantizing, etc, that the human voice would soon be another digital widget. Carry on showing us why the great artists were great!
This is one reason why todays music is nothing compared to the singer/song writer era. Why would you want to hear perfect performances? Originality is more pleasing to my ear. Thanks for sharing!
I'd love you to do an Australian icon John Farnham, Fil. His live performances were brilliant, unfortunately he's now a very sick man. But John in the 80's was unstoppable.
Agree, I’d love Fil to analyse John Farnham, a truly natural singer with incredible pitch & tone. I’d really love to see him appraise this Aussie icon. He should’ve been a worldwide star. Ironically, he’s now getting heaps of kudos & attention. He’s had throat cancer & been through hell but, being John, is still trying to make the best of it. Please check out JF, Fil!
Is it me, or did I detect Fil being honestly critical in the video? Ive never heard him sound even remotely like he had to do that with other natural talents who dont use pitch correction. Always great things to say about those artists. You're on roll Fil, keep it up! Tell it like it is!
I don’t think critical but honest. He didn’t bag Charlie’s ability but did question the need for such an artificial sound when singing “live.” It takes all of the genuine tone, humanity & yes, even small quirks & flaws out of the equation. The result is robotic & not something you can easily connect to emotionally. I absolutely DESPISE autotune, especially “live” (it’s not live, it’s a ruse).
That last "off the cuff" song requires the kind of suspension of belief that Fred Astaire meeting a girl for the first time and dancing perfectly with her does--except Astaire made you believe it 🤣
Brilliant analysis Fil. It really is so ridiculous it made me actually burst out laughing during his rendition of close to you. And what a stupid thing to do to pretend to make up a song off the cuff so obviously a set up. He seems unashamed to admit to using autotune perhaps in future he could announce at the start of his performances " hey everyone please enjoy the spectacular. I cant actually sing in tune but i have a marvellous piece of equipment that makes it sound like i can."
Thanks for the clarifications as to pitch, Fil - great job 👏🏻👍🏻. I’ve heard him do the “impromptu” song before and, although I think he probably could put a song together fairly quickly, “impromptu” is about as “impromptu” as reality show/chat show dialogue
You did a great job Fil pointing out the use of auto tune in this performance. It all sounds tinny to me. I would much rather listen to Karen Carpenter's version. Great analysis as always 😊🎸🎵
same yesterday had beatles white in car while my guitar gently weeps read somewhere was basically live in studio when clapton came pressed for time and 40 something plus years ago atill sounds great just them guitars george vocal paul bass ringo drums pretty basic no special effects beatles did back then
yeh was telling other viewer all the press about beatles red blue remixed in store big dollars double vinly cds but the 93 parlophone cds i have remastered by gearge martin sounded ok in the car but guess you would have to hear on high end system.mixed reviews songs great orhers lousy waste of money so hard to say
same 1988 mcmansion moving sold me the past masters set cds only missing revolver got half price only listened to sgt pepper in car same george martin remastered sounded ok to me compared to giles remix dont know
Honestly? ALL singer/songwriters that brought so much joy in our lives with their voices BEFORE autotune or pitch correction appeared. Really, that‘s a shame. Is it a matter of singing or simply making money??? 🧲💰💰💰💰💰
Music is food for the soul. These autotuned scamsters are just making spam sandwiches. I will stick with the artists who serve up a royal banquet. Great work Fil.
Live performances are great for the imperfections and mistakes. If I wanted to listen to perfect performances, I could stay home and listen to the album (yes, I said album)
One night when I was a young bass player, a couple of friends of mine unexpectedly found themselves short a bass player for a gig at a local bar. I didn't have time to listen the songs they were doing, let alone rehearse. But it was an important night for them, so I decided to try and help them out. I thought I did pretty good, especially since the set list included originals and obscure cover songs. I was able to lock down the songs that were mostly diatonic, I-IV, whatever, but I definitely butchered a few. I remember struggling with some obscure early Pink Floyd song where the bass line was almost entirely non-chordal tones. A few years ago, I ran into someone I used to know, who told me the last time he remembered seeing me was that night. Then he went on to tell me how much I sucked. Everyone who has never seriously tried to learn music just assumes it's easy. But it has to be even tougher for young musicians nowadays, thanks to people like Charlie Puth and his angry fans.
Why do they get mad at you?! It's not your fault. Sheesh! People are ridiculous. I've never heard of this singer or this song. So I had no emotional attachment one way or the other. I can't explain or even fully understand the tech stuff like you do. But I can hear when something sounds bad. This sounds BAD. At least he's honest about using auto tune. The fact that auto tune can be used live has made it so I have no desire to ever pay for a concert again. This, coming from someone who has adored music since childhood. It really does break my heart. It's like something precious has been stolen from me.
Great analysis, as always, Fil! That "off-the-cuff" song made my toes curl. It's a strange way to accidentally undermine your entire genre of music when you can churn out a new song without putting any thought into it - even if it were true, it suggests a very formulaic and mindless approach to music making (the band knows which chords to go to because every song has the same structure etc). Thanks for drawing attention to these deceptions. Symptoms of the deeper issues we face as a world right now!
Perfect pitch is entirely a listening skill. Some individuals with perfect pitch can’t sing at all. Also, perfect pitch says nothing about fine tuning. Individuals possessing it round pitch to the nearest note, they can’t necessarily hear if something is 5 or 10 cents off. To be clear, some can however they are different listening skills. One is note recognition and the other is fine pitch discrimination.
ref the "sprinkled moondust" part... that's just him trying to sing the least amount of consonants he can get away with. It actually does help with singing cuz w/o those pesky consonants that interrupt the vowels... well, we'd just have ooooooooooo ahhhhh oooooooew. So, he's doing a singing technique which reduces the interruptions and thus helps him maintain that note (at the expense of clarity of enunciation).
Can you do this analysis with a live performance of Ben Folds? He's known for riffing and making up songs on the fly. Difference is that he is the band; the man on the piano. I love Ben.
Time 10:40 to 11:40 (and more) showed the worst part of Auto-Tune for me: whenever you sing a new syllable and especially a new consonant with the same note as the previous, there will always be changes in the pitch. You can't get around it, unless you use Auto-Tune, in which case it will therefore sound unnatural.
Fil, you are providing a fantastic service to the music world with these analysis. I stopped listening to any new music in the 80’s because I hate a synthesizer and anything that sounds like one. I never knew how prolific Autotune and Pitch Correction were used, but, your videos have explained everything in detail. Brilliant Work!!! ❤️
You'll notice in the "live" clip that Charlie has the frame and stand of a Fender Rhodes, which doesn't have any of the controls on it like volume and speed of the panning etc. but the actual keyboard is not a Fender Rhodes. In fairness to Charlie, he apparently does have "perfect pitch" but chooses to use AutoTune both live and on his studio recordings because he "likes the sound of it".
The concert footage wasn't pre planned or rehearsed, it was 'retrospectively spontaneous' or whatever phrase some wannabe legal hotshot can come up with.
Facts are friendly. At least he does, when asked, say he uses autotune. Hopefully, he will also label his videos ...and explain autotune at live shows. I know, that's asking too much! Great analysis with clear examples of what autotune sounds (and looks) like.
since you love fab live vocals perhaps you can review The Skyliners - Since I Don´t Have You (Live 1974) video with the voice of the late jimmy beaumont. from 1:20 to the end just makes one want to jump into the screen and comfort him, poor guy, especially around 1:40 and to think the song didnt even make the top ten in the day
Makes me rethink Charlie's talent. Kinda liked him, now this changes my perspective. I want real singers. Mistakes and all. Hope Charlie doesnt continue down this road. BTW, I'm an old timer in my 60s so maybe to him, I wouldnt be worth concerning himself with. Lol.
“Close to you-wow-wow-wow-wow” 😂😂 You cracked me up in this one, Fil. He’s a cheat, like most of them out there. Thanks for calling it out lucidly and explicitly. Puth’s performance sounds absolutely horrible, but the man can sing. Why does he do it? Is he that insecure? Am I supposed to feel sorry for him for being so insecure that he has to cheat? I don’t. It’s another example of everybody pretending to be perfect. We’re not perfect. This is yuck yuck yuck.
Excellence has been replaced by good enough, it's a crying shame. You can hear every word Karen was singing in her performances. It was crystal clear and full of emotion which was integral to the Carpenter's artistry.
Love your channel man. The issue with music today is this type of “perfection” whether it be vocals, guitars or drums is the expectation. Andy Edward does a great job of explaining some of this on his YT channel.
I've been watching Jason Laughlin since he is a good guitar teacher for beginners. It's like he puts training wheels on the fretboard. I just watched a Truefire video and he talked about his gear. He says he uses guitars and amps, and doesn't use pedals. He said that when he hears a guitarist playing with X or Y pedal, they start sounding like X or Y pedal, and they sound like the other guitarists that use X or Y. This fits in nicely with your rant about Autotune.
Let me give some advice to Charlie. Never, ever try covering a Karen Carpenter classic. That was NOT good. I really thought that Fil was going to burst out laughing while listening! 😂
Great explanation between pitch correction and pitch perfect. At least Charlie is honest, but his cover of Close to You is really bad. Karen Carpenters singing is sublime. Thanks, Fil
People used to fiddle with voices years ago -- multiple tracks and so on -- but this auto-tune is something else. I like Puth's song "Lipstick" but I can tell his voice had been altered the first time I heard it. On "Close to You" it sounds so utterly unnatural that it's positively comical. Howard Stern has no musical taste. Really great singers don't need auto-tune!
This singer may have admitted he uses autotune live in an interview but, I'm sure he doesn't go around telling everyone who will listen that that is what he is doing and that people may never ever have heard his natural voice. How in the world do you fight back against the fact that "everybody uses it nowadays"!? Well, one way to fight back is for actual artists who put out for public consumption their own natural voice, replete with artistic impression and emotional storytelling, to let everyone and their brother know that they DO NOT use pitch correction or autotuning, either live or on their recordings and would fire any producer who would ask them to use it and make THAT fact known in no uncertain terms on any songs they release. By the way, Fil, wishing you the best of luck with your petition - hoping it will get as many people signing it as are subscribed to your fascinating TH-cam channel. I'm listening to this while writing this comment and I'm ready for a stiff drink...make mine a double, in fact. And, it's not even noon time here yet. Yikes.
Clipped and robotic sounding. Karen Carpenter sounds so beautiful that it brings a tear to your eye, Charlie brings a tear of frustration to your eye ! True singing seems to be dying, it's a true art that's being ruined for the current generation.
I said this on you last analysis and I got to say it here as well, I applause you Fil on your relentless effort in seeking honesty in all aspect of the music industry. you're top in my book! Sir, 👍
thank you Fil for those great lessons and above all the honesty. My ears are not very well trained, but your lessons help me to (maybe) recognize it and honestly I don't really like it, that even so many great singers are using it, just because the industry requires it nowadays.
I said the first time I heard Charlie Puth that it was auto tuned, along with the like of Miley Cyrus, if you mention that on their own videos the fans are so aggressive, I don't mind some use of voice effects on modern music, but not when it's not been owned up to.
Fil!!! God love ya! Putting out another spectacular video, as usual! This was great, I was actually able, with this enhanced explanation, to hear the auto tune immediately. Yikes!!!! It grates on the ear, doesn't it? Jeez. I completely agree w you about autotuning. I think these vocalists are just lazy!!! I sang in church choirs for years starting at age 10, sometimes when only 4 or 5 people would show up. BEING PRESENT in the moment, BEING PRESENT WITH YOUR VOICE, is part of the joy and magic of singing!! Leaving it up to a mechanical/electronic device to process your voice into something else .... WTF??? To me it almost defeats the purpose. Of course, my purpose wasn't to make money. I remember sitting in our string ensemble (I was probably 10 or 12, so late 60s or so) and our teacher asked us what was the best instrument?. We all guessed the various instruments, and no one was correct. The answer was, the human voice. Mr Eukers was a great teacher. I believe he was right. I think autotuning is just another way the Powers That Be want to separate us from what is natural, from our power, our strength. They're doing it w our food, our water, our air, our damn reality with the advent of AI. Buckle up, people, it's getting pretty twitchy. Thanks, Fil, for being awesome. Sorry for being so long-winded. Love from Vermont!!!
This was so interesting. I have wondered what autotune does to the quality of the voice that one is hearing and now I have some idea. I have also wondered how, as a side effect, it might alter emotional expression in the performance of a song. (I acknowledge that I actually rather like hearing the imperfections, which includes what might happen to pitch from time to time.)
FIL--I wonder if you could do a LIVE version of some of HOME FREE's songs? I enjoyed your analysis of their recorded song and pitch correction used. I would LOVE to know your view of them LIVE in one of their concerts(instead of just on the SING OFF) and what you think of their singing. They have A LOT of clips of them in LIVE CONCERTS and imo they sound pretty great. And they sound natural on them imo.
It reminds me of the device Herbie Hancock used on "You Bet Your Love" which i think was called a Vocoder. I have a cassette tape i recorded in about 1995 of Julian Cope singing Passionate Friend live on Radio One and it was amazing.
I've just discovered you channel now, and I'm currently binge watching lots of your great breakdowns. I'd love to see you do one for Maxwell's live performance of 'This Womans Work'. As for this performance, and basically anything with Autotune in my opinion.... It has no soul and just sounds like an AI generated voice is singing.
Thank you Fil. Having grown up going to concerts/live performances pre-autotune, if I went to a concert now and experienced this much autotune, I’d leave and demand my money back. I want to listen to a human, not a computer.
Sadly, we've gotten to the point where it's proudly stated that, "Yes, I use autotune live, because everybody's using it nowadays. And it helps me to hit the notes." Where's the legitimacy? The vocal talent to 'hit the note'? Any bum off the street can record an album.
Great explanation. The autotune on this performance is so obvious it's almost painful to listen to. Big cheers to singers who refuse to use autotune and pitch correction.
Interesting point about what Howard Stern heard in the studio. We only hear the output of the mic and signal processing, but maybe Howard could hear the actual voice? Or would they have the speakers in the studio cranked up enough that Stern could only hear the processed sound through the speakers, and not the voice itself?
Thank you Fil! This is a master class that perfectly illustrates what you have been trying to explain for quite a bit of time now. I like Charlie Puth, but this was an AWFUL choice for him to do live and your video clearly demonstrates why!
There’s just no joy or attraction to the sound of his voice.
I imagine it’s what a fake smile might sound like if we could hear it.
"it’s what a fake smile might sound like if we could hear it" 🤣 Best description of autotune use Ever!
Good analogy
Pitch correction is the fake smile, this is more like the result of completely OTT plastic surgery.
Wow, that was brutal and so spot on!! 😆
😂😂😂😂
It doesn’t “help them reach the note”. It “is” the note. Stand alone. It’s just a cheat code. And thank you again, Fil! I swear, you’re doing the work of the Lord! lol
Omg you can hear it a mile away! I feel sorry for aggressive fans who can’t hear it, but Fil always handles such comments with grace and proof.
After you've watched people's behavior for a few decades, you see the truth in "people only see and hear what they WANT to see and hear". I have a tee shirt with the slogan "You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think". Keep fighting the good fight, Fil! You've got friends in youtubeland.
I always liked Dorothy Parker's version: "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."
Fil in his British inoffensive way calling "bullsh*t" on the 'improvised' live song. Gotta love him!
Another British way would be to say that it's obviously bollocks. (-:
Charlie Puth sounds like a walking, talking living signal generator! He could even be a robot!🤖
It seems that not using auto tune should be the integrity that all artist aspire to.
Hi Fil.
I have known for sometime Charlie was autotuned/ pitch corrected… you can hear it in all his songs. He does have some catchy tunes that he does, but his voice can kind of grate on your nerves. Close To You was really unbearable to listen to him sing. Really laughable, and God Bless the fact that we have Karen Carpenter’s version. Great job on this one Fil, You Nailed It! Thanks so much Debbie☮️
Standard practice in today's music industry. EVERYBODY does it especially in the studio. Some does it more subtle than others though. I don't think they'd give you a record deal if you insist on a clause rejecting autotune/pitch correction as part of a clause in your contract.
tks for putting it so well.karens version was natural. this guy does grate!!!!! wel done Fil
"Why do birds...." I can hear the autotune immediately. As quick as that lol
Yep same. Sounds awful.
I heard it from the very first note he sang. I have read that he's pitch perfect too
Fil has taught us well
Yep.
It doesn't sound nice and smooth like a real voice. I couldn't listen to much of this!
Hi FIL, I am a hobby-musician, and even with my untrained ear, I can absolutely hear the auto-tuning! Keep up the great work and accurate assessments.
It is quite impressive how he managed to make such a beautiful song this hard to listen to. Now I need to go and listen to Karen.
I know it was a ferking travesty.
Hear, hear!
Absolutely! I may have to listen to several Karen's to get Charlie's taste out of my system.....lol
Totally.
Also what I was thinking exactly!
So obvious. It sounded like a talk box or a synthesized voice. Thanks for your reviews!
Even talk box is a more creative and expressive way of manipulating a voice.
Fil , you are one fine teacher! If I didn't know the words to the song, I would have thought he sang " sprinkled old stuff in your ear " ! As far as the second performance goes, that is just an example of outright fraud . To have people believe he just came up with that on the fly ! Fil, your ability to teach in such a way that is clear is another of your many gifts ! Excellent analysis! 💜
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@@jimh8633LOL! 😂 That's what it sounded like to me ! 😂😂
Your last clip provided a twist in this vocal analysis. From upfront artist of the "modern" sound genre to a participant in a fake improv performance with pre recorded bkgd vocals.
Thorough analysis!
An agressive comment you received and responded back. A big troll corner. Lol. Excellent analysis Fil . Carry on the lessons.
It is definitely for the troll corner indeed! 😂
I can easily hear the auto-tune.
Thanks so much for this. I'm so glad that I have the old recordings of the great artists who can actually sing !
Me too hang on to the old stuff. But I wouldn't listen to anything that's been remixed past the year 1997. That's when pitch correction / auto tune was introduced
He admits it and actually uses the excuse EVERYBODY else is doing it. We now can see the end of civilization. I think I will become a singer, hell loads of other untalented people are doing.
Go for it!😂
Me, too!! I always wanted to be a singer😂😂😂
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That was aweful! To me, he sounded off key, his words were not clear, and he came nowhere near to sounding amazing like Karen Carpenter! I loved the eye roll Fil, lol. Congrats on hitting 349k suscribers! You are doing an excellent job!
@jimh8633 I know. He was like, "I don't believe this!" You could tell when he rolled his eyes.
Clearest demonstration so far. Thanks Fil. Most of us get it!
Holy S@#!! that's the most obvious example I've ever heard Thanks for your persistence
I watched the leadup given here to the performance that was on the HS Show and I was thinking that, wow, this guy must be so talented that I may not be able to tell he's pitch corrected. So the audio starts playing and I am astounded. He quite obviously sounds like he's got a box over his head. It's not even close. No one should be fooled by this.
I hear the Kermit the frog of autotune immediately.
I don't know how Fil, that after all this time of repeatedly trying to explain what a scam modern pitch corrected music is, you keep your demeanor so calm and polite.
Whereas you shoud be, at this point, screaming "this is BULLSHIT".
What did he do to Karen Carpenter's song? omg. Her pure perfect soul replaced with his robot vibe..
I really like your videos! I actually wish that artists would tell you upfront whether they've used pitch correction on not on their studio recordings. And ESPECIALLY whether they use it live or not. Because there's no way I'll pay for a "live" concert if it's autotuned live.
Fil... you're a Saint. The hate in some of these comments is just down right ugly. Honestly man... your videos are fantastic. You deserve great success 👏👏👏
Absolutely 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Well, sorta makes sense that in an age of snapping to grids, MIDI this 'n' that, over-quantizing, etc, that the human voice would soon be another digital widget. Carry on showing us why the great artists were great!
This is one reason why todays music is nothing compared to the singer/song writer era. Why would you want to hear perfect performances? Originality is more pleasing to my ear. Thanks for sharing!
I'd love you to do an Australian icon John Farnham, Fil. His live performances were brilliant, unfortunately he's now a very sick man. But John in the 80's was unstoppable.
Agree, I’d love Fil to analyse John Farnham, a truly natural singer with incredible pitch & tone. I’d really love to see him appraise this Aussie icon. He should’ve been a worldwide star. Ironically, he’s now getting heaps of kudos & attention. He’s had throat cancer & been through hell but, being John, is still trying to make the best of it. Please check out JF, Fil!
Is it me, or did I detect Fil being honestly critical in the video? Ive never heard him sound even remotely like he had to do that with other natural talents who dont use pitch correction. Always great things to say about those artists. You're on roll Fil, keep it up! Tell it like it is!
I don’t think critical but honest. He didn’t bag Charlie’s ability but did question the need for such an artificial sound when singing “live.” It takes all of the genuine tone, humanity & yes, even small quirks & flaws out of the equation. The result is robotic & not something you can easily connect to emotionally. I absolutely DESPISE autotune, especially “live” (it’s not live, it’s a ruse).
@@renb6133 I stand corrected. Agree.
That last "off the cuff" song requires the kind of suspension of belief that Fred Astaire meeting a girl for the first time and dancing perfectly with her does--except Astaire made you believe it 🤣
...and dancing with her across the ceiling.
Disbelief, not belief
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Brilliant analysis Fil.
It really is so ridiculous it made me actually burst out laughing during his rendition of close to you. And what a stupid thing to do to pretend to make up a song off the cuff so obviously a set up.
He seems unashamed to admit to using autotune perhaps in future he could announce at the start of his performances " hey everyone please enjoy the spectacular. I cant actually sing in tune but i have a marvellous piece of equipment that makes it sound like i can."
"I don't know how this is gonna end up" ... he claims before going into a pre-recorded vocal.
Thanks for the clarifications as to pitch, Fil - great job 👏🏻👍🏻. I’ve heard him do the “impromptu” song before and, although I think he probably could put a song together fairly quickly, “impromptu” is about as “impromptu” as reality show/chat show dialogue
You did a great job Fil pointing out the use of auto tune in this performance. It all sounds tinny to me. I would much rather listen to Karen Carpenter's version. Great analysis as always 😊🎸🎵
makes u appreciate even more bands like the beatles,the who etc without modern technology but sounded so good live
same yesterday had beatles white in car while my guitar gently weeps read somewhere was basically live in studio when clapton came pressed for time and 40 something plus years ago atill sounds great just them guitars george vocal paul bass ringo drums pretty basic no special effects beatles did back then
@kaned3570
And now they're pitch-correcting the old recordings and selling them as re-mastered. Even videos! Beyond meat?
yeh was telling other viewer all the press about beatles red blue remixed in store big dollars double vinly cds but the 93 parlophone cds i have remastered by gearge martin sounded ok in the car but guess you would have to hear on high end system.mixed reviews songs great orhers lousy waste of money so hard to say
same 1988 mcmansion moving sold me the past masters set cds only missing revolver got half price only listened to sgt pepper in car same george martin remastered sounded ok to me compared to giles remix dont know
Honestly? ALL singer/songwriters that brought so much joy in our lives with their voices BEFORE autotune or pitch correction appeared. Really, that‘s a shame. Is it a matter of singing or simply making money??? 🧲💰💰💰💰💰
Music is food for the soul. These autotuned scamsters are just making spam sandwiches. I will stick with the artists who serve up a royal banquet. Great work Fil.
I like spam sandwiches
You're being too kind. Spam uses organic ingredients. Soylent Green is soulfood compared to autotuned scamster's fare.
Best Wishes. ☮
Autotune/pitch correction is fine if used as an artistic choice (T-pain, for example), not used to hide an artist's failings.
Live performances are great for the imperfections and mistakes. If I wanted to listen to perfect performances, I could stay home and listen to the album (yes, I said album)
"It's easier to fool people, than convince them they've been fooled"
-Attributed to Mark Twain, circa 1906.
YES!
Trump's words to live by.
One night when I was a young bass player, a couple of friends of mine unexpectedly found themselves short a bass player for a gig at a local bar. I didn't have time to listen the songs they were doing, let alone rehearse. But it was an important night for them, so I decided to try and help them out. I thought I did pretty good, especially since the set list included originals and obscure cover songs. I was able to lock down the songs that were mostly diatonic, I-IV, whatever, but I definitely butchered a few. I remember struggling with some obscure early Pink Floyd song where the bass line was almost entirely non-chordal tones. A few years ago, I ran into someone I used to know, who told me the last time he remembered seeing me was that night. Then he went on to tell me how much I sucked. Everyone who has never seriously tried to learn music just assumes it's easy. But it has to be even tougher for young musicians nowadays, thanks to people like Charlie Puth and his angry fans.
Why do they get mad at you?! It's not your fault. Sheesh! People are ridiculous.
I've never heard of this singer or this song. So I had no emotional attachment one way or the other. I can't explain or even fully understand the tech stuff like you do. But I can hear when something sounds bad. This sounds BAD. At least he's honest about using auto tune.
The fact that auto tune can be used live has made it so I have no desire to ever pay for a concert again. This, coming from someone who has adored music since childhood. It really does break my heart. It's like something precious has been stolen from me.
Wow, that makes me feel guilty for not getting off my butt to record some real music sung by an actual singer!!!! Thanks for the encouragement!
A Fantastic view Fil! Appreciate your efforts and time you put into these vlogs! Cheers! Ty!🙂✌🏼🍻💫
Great analysis, as always, Fil! That "off-the-cuff" song made my toes curl. It's a strange way to accidentally undermine your entire genre of music when you can churn out a new song without putting any thought into it - even if it were true, it suggests a very formulaic and mindless approach to music making (the band knows which chords to go to because every song has the same structure etc).
Thanks for drawing attention to these deceptions. Symptoms of the deeper issues we face as a world right now!
Perfect pitch is entirely a listening skill. Some individuals with perfect pitch can’t sing at all. Also, perfect pitch says nothing about fine tuning. Individuals possessing it round pitch to the nearest note, they can’t necessarily hear if something is 5 or 10 cents off. To be clear, some can however they are different listening skills. One is note recognition and the other is fine pitch discrimination.
ref the "sprinkled moondust" part... that's just him trying to sing the least amount of consonants he can get away with. It actually does help with singing cuz w/o those pesky consonants that interrupt the vowels... well, we'd just have ooooooooooo ahhhhh oooooooew. So, he's doing a singing technique which reduces the interruptions and thus helps him maintain that note (at the expense of clarity of enunciation).
Can you do this analysis with a live performance of Ben Folds? He's known for riffing and making up songs on the fly. Difference is that he is the band; the man on the piano. I love Ben.
Another great, informative video. You addressed the crutic with class, as always.
Time 10:40 to 11:40 (and more) showed the worst part of Auto-Tune for me: whenever you sing a new syllable and especially a new consonant with the same note as the previous, there will always be changes in the pitch. You can't get around it, unless you use Auto-Tune, in which case it will therefore sound unnatural.
Fil, you are providing a fantastic service to the music world with these analysis. I stopped listening to any new music in the 80’s because I hate a synthesizer and anything that sounds like one. I never knew how prolific Autotune and Pitch Correction were used, but, your videos have explained everything in detail. Brilliant Work!!! ❤️
The eye roll and expression at 11:45 says it all. 😄
You'll notice in the "live" clip that Charlie has the frame and stand of a Fender Rhodes, which doesn't have any of the controls on it like volume and speed of the panning etc. but the actual keyboard is not a Fender Rhodes. In fairness to Charlie, he apparently does have "perfect pitch" but chooses to use AutoTune both live and on his studio recordings because he "likes the sound of it".
The concert footage wasn't pre planned or rehearsed, it was 'retrospectively spontaneous' or whatever phrase some wannabe legal hotshot can come up with.
Facts are friendly. At least he does, when asked, say he uses autotune. Hopefully, he will also label his videos ...and explain autotune at live shows. I know, that's asking too much! Great analysis with clear examples of what autotune sounds (and looks) like.
since you love fab live vocals perhaps you can review The Skyliners - Since I Don´t Have You (Live 1974) video with the voice of the late jimmy beaumont. from 1:20 to the end just makes one want to jump into the screen and comfort him, poor guy, especially around 1:40 and to think the song didnt even make the top ten in the day
Makes me rethink Charlie's talent. Kinda liked him, now this changes my perspective. I want real singers. Mistakes and all. Hope Charlie doesnt continue down this road. BTW, I'm an old timer in my 60s so maybe to him, I wouldnt be worth concerning himself with. Lol.
“Close to you-wow-wow-wow-wow” 😂😂
You cracked me up in this one, Fil.
He’s a cheat, like most of them out there. Thanks for calling it out lucidly and explicitly.
Puth’s performance sounds absolutely horrible, but the man can sing. Why does he do it? Is he that insecure? Am I supposed to feel sorry for him for being so insecure that he has to cheat? I don’t. It’s another example of everybody pretending to be perfect. We’re not perfect. This is yuck yuck yuck.
Pretty sure he would be unlistenable to me even with it auto tune … his phrasing and style are awful (to me)
@@jimh8633 Actually, you’re right. I don’t know if he can actually sing because it’s likely I’ve only ever heard the auto-tuned version of his voice.
Thanks Fil, I always learn something from your videos.
I like Fil so much, not in a creepy way.
He's such a nice person who's very good at what he does 🌟
Excellence has been replaced by good enough, it's a crying shame. You can hear every word Karen was singing in her performances. It was crystal clear and full of emotion which was integral to the Carpenter's artistry.
Yeah, it’s pretty frick’n audacious for this guy to put out such garbage and to expect people to like it… but I guess some do.
Love your channel man.
The issue with music today is this type of “perfection” whether it be vocals, guitars or drums is the expectation.
Andy Edward does a great job of explaining some of this on his YT channel.
I've been watching Jason Laughlin since he is a good guitar teacher for beginners. It's like he puts training wheels on the fretboard. I just watched a Truefire video and he talked about his gear. He says he uses guitars and amps, and doesn't use pedals. He said that when he hears a guitarist playing with X or Y pedal, they start sounding like X or Y pedal, and they sound like the other guitarists that use X or Y.
This fits in nicely with your rant about Autotune.
Let me give some advice to Charlie. Never, ever try covering a Karen Carpenter classic. That was NOT good. I really thought that Fil was going to burst out laughing while listening! 😂
The track clips constantly when listening on headphones
Lol, what a naive fan. The auto-tune is ridiculously obvious here. He sounds like the Portal song😁
Great analysis as always
Great explanation between pitch correction and pitch perfect. At least Charlie is honest, but his cover of Close to You is really bad. Karen Carpenters singing is sublime. Thanks, Fil
That First song sounds terrible... can't believe people don't realise it's auto tune.
I feel sorry for kids nowadays. They think this is good singing. Hopefully the next big thing will be natural vocals to stand out
dont hold your breath, music is now just about selling products, and no , not albums
People used to fiddle with voices years ago -- multiple tracks and so on -- but this auto-tune is something else. I like Puth's song "Lipstick" but I can tell his voice had been altered the first time I heard it. On "Close to You" it sounds so utterly unnatural that it's positively comical. Howard Stern has no musical taste. Really great singers don't need auto-tune!
This singer may have admitted he uses autotune live in an interview but, I'm sure he doesn't go around telling everyone who will listen that that is what he is doing and that people may never ever have heard his natural voice. How in the world do you fight back against the fact that "everybody uses it nowadays"!? Well, one way to fight back is for actual artists who put out for public consumption their own natural voice, replete with artistic impression and emotional storytelling, to let everyone and their brother know that they DO NOT use pitch correction or autotuning, either live or on their recordings and would fire any producer who would ask them to use it and make THAT fact known in no uncertain terms on any songs they release. By the way, Fil, wishing you the best of luck with your petition - hoping it will get as many people signing it as are subscribed to your fascinating TH-cam channel. I'm listening to this while writing this comment and I'm ready for a stiff drink...make mine a double, in fact. And, it's not even noon time here yet. Yikes.
His audience is probably young and wouldn't know or care.
Thank you for your time and effort in the explanation! :+) Also-no one can sing this song like Karen-she is greatly missed!
Thank you for not using anything to manipulate your voice.
Clipped and robotic sounding. Karen Carpenter sounds so beautiful that it brings a tear to your eye, Charlie brings a tear of frustration to your eye ! True singing seems to be dying, it's a true art that's being ruined for the current generation.
Now all you have to be is good enough.
I said this on you last analysis and I got to say it here as well, I applause you Fil on your relentless effort in seeking honesty in all aspect of the music industry. you're top in my book! Sir, 👍
You can hear the clicking of the snap!
22:15 "This is all" ... pause (lips pursed)😙 ... "manufactured". Fil nearly slipped with this one! Haha classic. 😂😙
thank you Fil for those great lessons and above all the honesty. My ears are not very well trained, but your lessons help me to (maybe) recognize it and honestly I don't really like it, that even so many great singers are using it, just because the industry requires it nowadays.
Someone felt the need to become borderline aggressive defending Charlie Puth? Okay. 🤣
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So happy that you are doing these voice analysis videos. Keep it up!!!
“The fact that he admits it makes it much easier.” Beautiful, Fil. I love your demeanor in these videos!
Nice explanation of 'perfect pitch' and 'pitch perfect' 👍
Sounds like a crinkled old tape on those long notes.
I think audiences know these impromptu bits are very-well rehearsed performances.
Those long notes sound like the end-of-broadcast sound when there were 3 channels and the TV would show the test pattern 😂
@@pjesflol - that's where I've heard that sound before! 😄
@@Psalm1267 It hit me like a ton of bricks. OHHHH‼️
I said the first time I heard Charlie Puth that it was auto tuned, along with the like of Miley Cyrus, if you mention that on their own videos the fans are so aggressive, I don't mind some use of voice effects on modern music, but not when it's not been owned up to.
Fil!!! God love ya!
Putting out another spectacular video, as usual! This was great, I was actually able, with this enhanced explanation, to hear the auto tune immediately. Yikes!!!! It grates on the ear, doesn't it? Jeez.
I completely agree w you about autotuning. I think these vocalists are just lazy!!! I sang in church choirs for years starting at age 10, sometimes when only 4 or 5 people would show up. BEING PRESENT in the moment, BEING PRESENT WITH YOUR VOICE, is part of the joy and magic of singing!! Leaving it up to a mechanical/electronic device to process your voice into something else .... WTF??? To me it almost defeats the purpose. Of course, my purpose wasn't to make money.
I remember sitting in our string ensemble (I was probably 10 or 12, so late 60s or so) and our teacher asked us what was the best instrument?. We all guessed the various instruments, and no one was correct. The answer was, the human voice. Mr Eukers was a great teacher. I believe he was right.
I think autotuning is just another way the Powers That Be want to separate us from what is natural, from our power, our strength. They're doing it w our food, our water, our air, our damn reality with the advent of AI. Buckle up, people, it's getting pretty twitchy.
Thanks, Fil, for being awesome. Sorry for being so long-winded. Love from Vermont!!!
This was so interesting. I have wondered what autotune does to the quality of the voice that one is hearing and now I have some idea. I have also wondered how, as a side effect, it might alter emotional expression in the performance of a song. (I acknowledge that I actually rather like hearing the imperfections, which includes what might happen to pitch from time to time.)
FIL--I wonder if you could do a LIVE version of some of HOME FREE's songs? I enjoyed your analysis of their recorded song and pitch correction used. I would LOVE to know your view of them LIVE in one of their concerts(instead of just on the SING OFF) and what you think of their singing. They have A LOT of clips of them in LIVE CONCERTS and imo they sound pretty great. And they sound natural on them imo.
It reminds me of the device Herbie Hancock used on "You Bet Your Love" which i think was called a Vocoder.
I have a cassette tape i recorded in about 1995 of Julian Cope singing Passionate Friend live on Radio One and it was amazing.
Ashley Simpson would be so proud.
Pitch correction has not advanced to the point that it can make her sound good 😂
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I've just discovered you channel now, and I'm currently binge watching lots of your great breakdowns. I'd love to see you do one for Maxwell's live performance of 'This Womans Work'.
As for this performance, and basically anything with Autotune in my opinion.... It has no soul and just sounds like an AI generated voice is singing.
Thank you Fil. Having grown up going to concerts/live performances pre-autotune, if I went to a concert now and experienced this much autotune, I’d leave and demand my money back. I want to listen to a human, not a computer.
Charlie the Warbler - it sounds emotionless.
Sadly, we've gotten to the point where it's proudly stated that, "Yes, I use autotune live, because everybody's using it nowadays. And it helps me to hit the notes." Where's the legitimacy? The vocal talent to 'hit the note'? Any bum off the street can record an album.
Great explanation. The autotune on this performance is so obvious it's almost painful to listen to. Big cheers to singers who refuse to use autotune and pitch correction.
Interesting point about what Howard Stern heard in the studio. We only hear the output of the mic and signal processing, but maybe Howard could hear the actual voice? Or would they have the speakers in the studio cranked up enough that Stern could only hear the processed sound through the speakers, and not the voice itself?
Too bad because I do like his natural voice. Congrats on 349K🎉🎶🎈🎊Thanks for the informative analysis again.
He sounds a ruddy chipmunk 🐿️🐿️😂😂
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I can't enough of your facial reactions 😂 and the impersonations of the autotune 😂
Thank you Fil! This is a master class that perfectly illustrates what you have been trying to explain for quite a bit of time now. I like Charlie Puth, but this was an AWFUL choice for him to do live and your video clearly demonstrates why!
Oh my aching ears.