How to DIY Install Garden Lighting

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  • How I DIY installed a 24v plug and play garden lighting system including motion activated staircase lighting. In today's video I will be showing you how you can install your own lighting system and as its 24v it's super safe and doesn't require extensive excavations or an electrician.
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    0:00 Introduction
    1:35 How it Works
    2:03 Fusebox Cupboard
    4:08 Choosing your System
    5:38 Today's Toolkit
    6:07 Placing the Lights
    6:31 Laying the Cables
    7:44 Connecting the Lights
    10:45 Zigbee Remote
    13:17 Motion Sensor
    14:44 Smik Gateway
    22:21 Subscribe to Me!
    Useful Links:
    - Paulmann lighting website uk.paulmann.com/
    TODAY'S TOOLKIT*:
    - 2m cable with 2 outputs bit.ly/4f1rHDw
    - 5m cable 2 outputs bit.ly/45Xxhmb
    - 5m cable 4 outputs bit.ly/3S20NkS
    - 10m cable 2 outputs bit.ly/4bFUeeE
    - 10m cable 5 outputs bit.ly/3xJulwS
    - Distribution device bit.ly/3Wil34g
    - Plug and shine controller zigbee 3.0 bit.ly/4bEiOwo
    - 150va power supply transformer bit.ly/3WecI1r
    - 30va power supply transformer bit.ly/3VWYNvr
    - transformer cover bit.ly/3zFUcpZ
    - Kikolo 3000k 20 degree bit.ly/3zCKpkx
    - Kikolo 3000k 60 degree bit.ly/4eW8lzs
    - Plantini 3000k (steps) individual spot bit.ly/4crR4MV
    - Plantini 3000k (steps) expansion set bit.ly/4cxXFph
    - Radon 3000k (tree) bit.ly/3xSldpy
    - Gent 2 remote bit.ly/4cVrb85
    - Twilight dusk sensor zigbee 3.0 bit.ly/4cTPuDb
    - Kikolo RGBW zigbee 3.0 bit.ly/3zL6ux8
    - Kikolo Tunable warm zigbee 3.0 bit.ly/4bA9Jop
    - Smik gateway bit.ly/4cVwyUD
    - SKIL 3225 20v Impact Driver bit.ly/464MS2j
    - SKIL 3520 20v CIRCULAR SAW bit.ly/4eV1qXh
    - SKIL CD1U3075HC 20V cordless hammer drill bit.ly/49gWzgj
    - SKIL RH1U3851GA 3KG 20V 1 X 4.0AH LI-ION PWRCORE 20 BRUSHLESS CORDLESS SDS DRILL bit.ly/4eXSosq
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  • @Chatters156
    @Chatters156 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Good Vid Charlie but gotta say that price is outrageous! 😮 It's just a few lights.

    • @wcopter5514
      @wcopter5514 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Got taken for a ride. Hopefully they gave him a hefty discount. Self sourced lights, a couple of Shelly smart relays and home assistant and this could have been done for 300 quid.

    • @antoinec1066
      @antoinec1066 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I like Charlie’s video that are always informative but I wonder who wants to pay £1600 for some garden lights. The margin must be outrageously high. Charlie used to suggest cheap diy hacks but this is not longer the case. It almost gives the impression he is reading a sales script on this one.

    • @Chatters156
      @Chatters156 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@antoinec1066 totally agree. I have made a range of DIY videos for my own channel - more of hobby than serious dedicated work but mine focus on doing jobs on a budget mainly and so I can't relate to this video at all really. £200 I could probably achieve the exact same look...

  • @JohnJones-wo1bc
    @JohnJones-wo1bc 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Your DIY outside fuse box is fabulous.

    • @Stormin_Mike
      @Stormin_Mike 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Better than most new builds

    • @GoldenAdhesive
      @GoldenAdhesive 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Stormin_Mike new builds just slap a generic box on the wall i would be very surprised if they use something else

    • @Stormin_Mike
      @Stormin_Mike 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@GoldenAdhesive I know I have one. It pierces the two wall skins and a horrible cold bridge

  • @Smithb83
    @Smithb83 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Charlie I've been watching your videos for years, your home and garden are looking really stunning, you must be so proud of all of the graft you've done! Thanks for taking us all on your journey!

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks so much. We're slowly getting there and are really pleased with the re-landscaping and kitchen! The slight problem is after a year of building works I've now run out of money to do anything else for a while 😉

  • @gadgetman36
    @gadgetman36 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I'm glad you've used low voltage in the garden. It's the right way to do it.

    • @giuliom7428
      @giuliom7428 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No shit

  • @ludicer122
    @ludicer122 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    That fusebox looks amazing, Outstanding work!

  • @rambo196919
    @rambo196919 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Nice job, but £1600 for outdoor light? no chance.
    Did my girlfriends garden for about £200.

    • @coolmonkey619
      @coolmonkey619 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which brand did you op for

    • @rambo196919
      @rambo196919 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@coolmonkey619 Cannot remember, but they came from amazon and all worked straight out of the box, and still do-3 years later.

  • @StuffIMade
    @StuffIMade 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Bookmarked this for February when we redo our garden, Thanks Charlie!

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're welcome 👊

  • @georgehavey
    @georgehavey 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Try adding them into your Home Assistant configuration!

  • @owainjones9321
    @owainjones9321 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks incredible Charlie, great work! The garden is looking amazing!

  • @DTech101
    @DTech101 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    All i can say is Home Assistant is your friend for all automation ;)

  • @Pete.Ty1
    @Pete.Ty1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    👍👍👍 The effect is worth all the hard work. Thanks Charlie

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks - good to hear from you 👊

  • @AC-gm6bq
    @AC-gm6bq 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Looks lovely but, too costly.

  • @weekendwarrior3420
    @weekendwarrior3420 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It's a cool idea - bring a 24V around the garden, and power wirelessly-controlled lights. Huge reduction in complexity. This should work with Z-wave as well. Z-wave would let you extend the range easily, because any powered z-wave device is also a relay, so, if you put, for example, a z-wave light switch by the yard door, it'd automatically relay the communicattions from inside the house.

  • @dougdavidson175
    @dougdavidson175 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice garden set-up and review. Thanks Charlie. It would be overkill in my garden as it is smaller than the grass patch you just laid. Take care & stay safe.

  • @Dethmack
    @Dethmack 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great project!
    We have recently had our new garden done and have the issue now of sorting out the lighting situation and at a loss of what to do!

  • @Timetorelasx
    @Timetorelasx 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have to say what a great lighting choice you went for looks amazing great job cost a lot yes but worth the money this video did help me to think about how I am going to do something similar in my garden

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks so much for that.. Really glad you found it useful. 👊

  • @connor3087
    @connor3087 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video Charlie, very informative 👍🏻

  • @alecsutherland
    @alecsutherland 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is the only DIY project that you've completed that i think ive beat you on with my Philips Hue installation 😉

  • @Mc674bo
    @Mc674bo 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hi Charlie . I can see your objective was a complete interactive system , and I would say you have achieved your goal . As for the longevity of the individual parts , that of course is too early to tell . But admittedly the overall effect is very pleasing , and I’m sure you will gain much pleasure from your new lighting Scheme . Kind regards as always 👍

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks, I appreciate that 🙏

  • @user-kj4mb1xd3g
    @user-kj4mb1xd3g 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A lot of effort from you as usual.....thank you

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're welcome. Thanks for that 👊

  • @robgullen
    @robgullen 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The remote seems to be a bit limited in terms of having to be operated manually - you mentioned a Smart plug . . . our patio has lights around it set into the walls/cladding (with lights on the sides of the steps) all operated from a Hive plug/socket giving fully programmed lighting .... just have to adjust the schedule as the seasons change. The lights are all on one circuit but it wouldn't be difficult to create several circuits and use more than one Hive plug. No colour adjustment bells & whistles but the simple white lights work for us!

    • @afnankhokhar5578
      @afnankhokhar5578 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Does hive not have a setting for sunset/sunrise? We use tapo plugs all through the house to power lamps and we have them set to come on at sunset . They work a charm and save so much hassle

  • @ins1337
    @ins1337 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i used a govee setup recently with their wifi control its a great alternative to a more premium philips hue.

  • @rhysroberts8972
    @rhysroberts8972 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    love your videos Charlie. really interested in this video as I was looking at these lights as an option for my garden. and having watched this video I think I will go ahead with this system. also been watching your videos on hanging things on plasterboard as I have curtains and blinds to hang.

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's great to hear that Rhys - thanks for letting me know. I'm guessing you saw the last big update video on plasterboard fixings th-cam.com/video/Jdu9RId7m90/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A8S9lswmqP3n4HjN 👊

    • @rhysroberts8972
      @rhysroberts8972 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CharlieDIYte I did thanks. after watching I bought some fisher duopower plugs bullfix fittings. please to say i put the blinds up and they look ok.

  • @truth3358
    @truth3358 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    that price FORGET it

  • @doctorlove2022
    @doctorlove2022 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    bloody hell .. how much !!!!!!!

  • @aarntsen
    @aarntsen 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    very nice install, but you should discuss the pro/cons of such an install. Like how it affects nightlife for bugs, birds and other life in the garden as artificial lighting is very "polluting" for them, and our benefit should be weighted against theirs.
    I've got garden lights myself, but I use them for occasions to not upset bugs whom I rely on for my fruit trees and flowers

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Pretty sure the ZigBee kikolos are insect friendly. I won't have them on often enough to cause any disruption to insect life though.

    • @aarntsen
      @aarntsen 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CharlieDIYte Cool. I didn't know that lights could be insect friendly, I've got Philips Hues myself, I'd look into replacing them then.

  • @grafnemilligun9183
    @grafnemilligun9183 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Shoild have future proofed your fuse board and made it twice the size... you know you will end up needing a bigger enclosure..
    Great job.

  • @hifiandmtb
    @hifiandmtb 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    These Paulmann products are so, so similar to the Philips Hue product surely they are aligned?

  • @JurassicJungle
    @JurassicJungle 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have been looking at Paulmann for cable lights for our open plan room as they are the only people that seem to offer that. Also looking at their 24V garden lights as they support a conection to my Loxone home automation system. That would allow me to install this lighting and control it all with my main house automtion platform (like you should have done in your kitchen ;-) )

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes I did think that about the kitchen lights!!

  • @Czechbound
    @Czechbound 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks great. Most people will have a run of concrete pathway between the house and their grass/ seating area. I'd be interested to see how you would tackle that ( is it cutting a trench into the concrete pad ? If so, how deep do you need to go ( are the regs around that ) ? Then what should you use to sheath the cable ? And will an inflill/ back pour of concrete set properly or be continually prone to cracking/ lifting out ?

    • @Flat-Five
      @Flat-Five 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would maybe try and tunnel underneath.

  • @MS-yy2dh
    @MS-yy2dh 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looks really great. Perhaps there is no way to avoid it, but the wires look like they are going to get in the way when gardening are they not?

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Thanks. I have the wires at the back of the flower bed so they don't interfere with future planting. I didn't show the time lapse of my covering the cables for some reason. I always miss something 🤦

  • @ComicBookMalc
    @ComicBookMalc 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Govee do some amazing indoor and outdoor lighting for seriously cheap prices for the amount of automation and customisation

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's good to know 👌👊

  • @svenabend360
    @svenabend360 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Glad I wasn’t the one who thought this was crazy pricing for a bunch of zigbee lights.

  • @BlueW01f
    @BlueW01f 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

    This seems like an absurdly expensive way to achieve this? 1.6k for a few garden lights

    • @truth3358
      @truth3358 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      there’s cheaper ways to do
      that’s what happens when you got to much money lol

    • @BlueW01f
      @BlueW01f 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@truth3358 admittedly I don't know what the cheaper solutions are ...but this seems more expensive than Philips...and that's impressive

    • @williambeckett9229
      @williambeckett9229 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @Bluew01f and @truth3358 how much do you think this set up should cost? I ask because whilst there are likely cheaper ways electrical work such as the fuse box can cost more than expected.

    • @BlueW01f
      @BlueW01f 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@williambeckett9229 the majority of the cost isn't in the fuse box. The fuse box price was fine.
      The issue is the 80-120 lights and expensive proprietary accessories.

    • @lukeshepherd9529
      @lukeshepherd9529 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Absolutely mugged off. £600 for the lights. 😂

  • @Developmentthatpays
    @Developmentthatpays 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the garden fuse box. Does it connect direct to the mains inside your house?

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks. Yes it does

    • @Developmentthatpays
      @Developmentthatpays 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@CharlieDIYte - I've wondered about doing the same thing. But I was concerned that the run from the house would be (electrically) unprotected. (Is that the case? Or am i missing something?)

  • @Stormin_Mike
    @Stormin_Mike 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice sofa, is there a vid on these coming up especially which cushions

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes there is. The cushions were made by the soft furnishings company I used to run with my wife but I'm sure there are lots of options online.. Hoping to post the vid in a couple of weeks.

    • @Stormin_Mike
      @Stormin_Mike 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CharlieDIYte There are cushions online as you say. In terms of dimensions I can see cushions size dictating bench size. Look forward to the vid

  • @PaulBakewell
    @PaulBakewell 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video really enjoyed. Is that David Austin Rose (Olivia Rose Austin ) next to the electric house in the garden, by any chance?

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks Paul. It could well be. It's certainly a David Austin climber.

  • @albarlow
    @albarlow 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Seeing the comments about the overpriced nature of the lights, my feeling is that what you are paying for is convenience. You could easily get a variety of manufacturers' zigbee lights for far less, but then you've got to figure out how it's all going to be powered safely - a system like this just comes out the box and hooks up. I'd do it the more difficult way, but I've been playing with lighting and gone assistant for years, so I've got a bit more expertise in that area to have confidence to do it.

    • @djstuc
      @djstuc 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Most of them are ‘single comment on the channel’ trolls who just dip into videos to share their brand of negativity.
      I’d be interested to see just how good these supposed way cheaper brands are that everyone is swooning over, yet mysteriously don’t seem to be telling us what they are and what price they are 🤷‍♂️

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Agreed. Plus you buy cheap stuff that needs replacing every few years and it quickly becomes a false economy.

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agreed. I don't mind criticism but really hate criticism that doesn't then go on to suggest alternatives, or even to say what I've done wrong and how they'd improve on it..

    • @djstuc
      @djstuc 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CharlieDIYte 100% Charlie… it’s too easy to just drop random comments slating something with no context.

  • @SimonAyling
    @SimonAyling 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks, Charlie. Great video and very informative. What is HCL, though?

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It stands for Human Centric Lighting - where you set the light throughout the day to adjust the light quality to better suit your natural biorhythms (I've just Googled that 🤣). So more relevant to their internal light systems than the garden.

    • @SimonAyling
      @SimonAyling 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@CharlieDIYte 😂
      Thanks!

  • @balsanghera
    @balsanghera 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ditch the remote and integrate into home assistant

  • @cal6747
    @cal6747 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yeah it looks amazing, cost for us diy folk is too much, not for me.

  • @KSITREVS
    @KSITREVS 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    1600 quid for a dozen lights?! 60 quid for 10m of low power cable? Blimey

  • @couchmanl
    @couchmanl 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The price is just insane

  • @GlennBroadway
    @GlennBroadway 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Philips Hue finally have some competition for most overpriced smart lights!

  • @craighenson1682
    @craighenson1682 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The price is steep. Looks good quality though. I’m 3 years down the line with Ellumiere stuff controlled using Quinetic in Wiska boxes. Works a charm via Alexa routines and a fraction of £1.6k

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds great Craig. Those Quinetic switches are awesome. 👌

  • @newvision4071
    @newvision4071 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All good idea, just a rip off on price consider that those 12/24v spot would cost £1 from chinese factory and each of the ip65 connector, around 10p. U may need a chinese fds to order for you though

  • @poo7481
    @poo7481 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just stick to hue lilly on the ground and GU10 bulbs in outside light enclosure around everywhere else. The transformers are fully water proof and no need for all of these controllers, they are all zigbee 3 that work with IKEA.

  • @KocoNutta
    @KocoNutta 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bin that remote and gateway off and get a home assistant server with a zigbee dongle!

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I really need Home Assistant. Is it accessible for techno noobs yet?

    • @KocoNutta
      @KocoNutta 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CharlieDIYte You do need an old PC or something to run it off, after you’ve done the initial setup it’s and added a couple of devices it’s easy to get the hang of. I wouldn’t say it’s accessible as something like the Mik gateway but the underlying technology is the same and cheaper 👍

  • @thebushyone
    @thebushyone 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Agree with most comments about the price. I bought a set of IP67 GU10 fittings for about £20 each and got a set of 6x hive lights for about £60. Cabling was about £2 a meter. Put them all to a single junction box and done. I know it wasn't 24V but I feel confident in the install.

  • @RMD80GAMER
    @RMD80GAMER 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    take a look at home assistant

  • @ballygarran
    @ballygarran 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great video. I like the way you cover systems that are at the upper end of financial insanity as well as cheaper option.
    Although the system looks and functions amazingly it’s not something I’d be prepared to invest my hard earned money into.

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks mate. That's fair enough but thanks for watching it 👍

    • @ballygarran
      @ballygarran 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CharlieDIYte no problem at all. Keep up the hard work. Videos are fantastic

  • @weekendwarrior3420
    @weekendwarrior3420 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This white seat won't stay white for long.

    • @djstuc
      @djstuc 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Amazingly, you can store the cushions inside when the weather is bad.

    • @weekendwarrior3420
      @weekendwarrior3420 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@djstuc Well, my young friend, there are so many things that'll try to change their color, that they'd have to be kept inside pretty much all the time.

    • @djstuc
      @djstuc 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@weekendwarrior3420 we’ve had a rattan sofa with white cushions for over 10yrs, and they are still white. Plus the material is shower proof and also washable. It’s a complete non-issue.

  • @minkybear9929
    @minkybear9929 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Saw the price and lost interest in the product. Great video though.

  • @mrvincefox
    @mrvincefox 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    More money than common sense.
    Sponsored video r us.

  • @keithr1814
    @keithr1814 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well overpriced, must have seen you coming

  • @MrMadmouse101
    @MrMadmouse101 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just use cheap solar light

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I suspect it won't last or provide the brightness you need but it's certainly an option.

  • @Obbliteration
    @Obbliteration 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A bit too expensive and not diy enough. Those screw on ready connectors sure are great but generic solution you wire yourself are sure cheaper.

  • @909happydude
    @909happydude 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    £1700 on garden lights is just silly

  • @andrewarcher880
    @andrewarcher880 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Way too much money!

  • @jason_ball
    @jason_ball 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Not a shining endorsement of the product!

    • @CharlieDIYte
      @CharlieDIYte  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why d'you say that?

  • @liamfinch4129
    @liamfinch4129 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not great for wildlife Charlie! Some species are disoriented while others (eg bats and moths) can be seriouslt affected - just saying!