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I’m Charlie-famous! Ridiculously chuffed for mentioning my post, Charlie. I’d add that, as well as the black inner on the downlighters which has massively reduced glare, also look at ones which come with a black baffle - a honeycomb pattern of mesh - to sit beneath the bulb. In my hallway where I forgot to fit dimmers, the honeycomb mesh thingy really softened the light from the utilitarian downlighters I inherited from the previous owners. Your kitchen looks amazing, Charlie. Really beautiful job.
It’s funny isn’t it how people who do things properly, perfectly, accurately with attention to detail have to almost apologetically self-diagnose with OCD. Were all great artists OCD because they painted perfectly? No. It’s normal and healthy to obsess over things you love. So be like Charlie and cherish your fastidiousness. That’s how you end up with a beautiful kitchen with perfect lighting as in this video.
Very good. I just fitted two under cabinet lamps and they have transformed the kitcken. Wish I'd done this years ago. Didn't know there was a magic '300mm' but I opted for half the cabinet depth as it illuminated the counter top well and evenly. Hardest bit was chasing the wiring within voids. Really like the LED strips you fitted and they complement the pendants. Lighting has really changed. Not that long ago I had a different kitchen with 14 x 50W GU lights. You never needed the heating on in that room, but it was pricey just to illuminate!
Yes, when we installed our old kitchen in 2010 I don't think LEDs were a thing as the we had CFL bulbs. Then fitted GU10s in the same housing and now we've got led strips. Sounds like you've done a good job there. Yes half the cabinet depth is basically what they mean by 300 in from the edge 👌
Nice job Charlie, I'm an electrician and i can't abide visible grid layout ceiling spots. In my renovation, 6 years ago i went for the plaster in concealed spots, under cab leds, hanging mood lights, indirect uplights. 7 switchable circuits. But also avoid the programmable lighting controls as they invariably break, parts become unavailable then it's downhill from the. Beautiful... Youre doing a great job 👍
Thanks mate. Sounds like you nailed that 👌 You're clearly damn good at the day job. Good point about the programming. Yep, the last thing you want is a gateway going down.
Thanks Charlie, I would have loved this video when I was doing my kitchen last year. I asked the electrician about lighting design but he barely offered anything useful. And I didn't find many good youtube vids out there. And I can't believe phos just gave you a small discount. With 400k subs they should be biting your arm off and paying for the entire installation just to get a mention.
My kitchen had under cupboard lighting for the worktop but the switch was in the awkwardly in the cupboard. I installed some IR sensors and fixed them up hidden at the back. One of the simplest and my favourite mods in the house. It means a quick wave to turn on and no dirty fingers on the switches as you'll often have dirty hands when you need the light. One things to note, steam can set them off, so set them away from the hob/kettle.
Lovely attention to detail Charlie, my only comment would be to make sure you install fire rated down lights and lighting wherever possible, often people overlook this and it can void home insurance. Also buy spares of all the lighting you install as in 2-3 years often things become discontinued and you end up with a problem.
Great results and glad you spoke to Guy. I did the same year's ago and it opened my eyes into lighting design. The lights I installed were also removed when I moved house, as they were far too good to leave for the new owners and are being installed in my new place. Having a few extras is vital as I had a few die after 5 years of constant on/off use (in a utility).
Very well thought through and designed. I did a light retrofit using smart home and HomeAssistant. I converted two pendants to spotlights and then added 3 pendants above the dining table, all on the same circuit. I then used IKEA's smart bulbs with colour temp control. So now I can control groups of lights as if they were on different circuits and I have cool, high Kelvin lights in the day, and warm lights in the evening. To keep the light switches functional I had to do something very convoluted.
Thanks George. Yes I should have mentioned the capabilities of Home Assistant and I suppose Shelley relays - but I don't think my electrician would have thanked me for making it any more convoluted than it already is 😉
This brings me back to a whole house renovation in 2007. Smart homes and lighting were just taking off and I wanted to incorporate that into the design as much as I could. I invested into a 24 channel iLight system and planned all the circuits myself. I got about 70% of it right which left me frustrated that it didn't really live up to the cost and expectation. I bought a LED panel for the kitchen that controlled all the channels and scenes around the house but it just wasn't programmed that well and was very confusing for people visiting. I made some mods to the actual lights. Over the Island did the usual 6 spots and around the perimeter of the kitchen/diner (11x5m) were 22 more spots. I replaced the 6 island spots with 3 pendants and removed about a dozen more spots...huge improvment. Biggest improvement was finding an iLight specialist that re-programmed the whole system including phone app and only now do I feel it was worth the investment. Keep up the good work.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Yes I think I probably missed a trick not trying to program in some kind of mood functionality but it was that classic case of time and money. 👊
Great video with a lot of tips. I would recommend a smart lighting controller. Our kitchen has 6 circuits and a table lamp and having multiple switch points would be a nightmare to setup and maintain. Instead we have Lutron RA2 controllers on each circuit and used their Pico remotes wherever we need them. Instead of controlling the independent circuits, you switch scenes depending on your purpose. So you van have a general turn everything on scene plus another to set the mood for dining or a party. It is retrofitable on regular UK lighting circuits so we have added this across most of our lights in the house. It does have smart integrations and a really simple to use app but you don’t need it for day to day use and the many technophobe guests to our house have no issue turning lights on and off. One of the best smart features for me is turning lights off automatically that my teenage kids like to leave on, some to a set schedule others for a specified time after they were switched on. Another cool feature is the smart home away which I turn on when going on holiday and it replays the past two weeks of lighting to make the house look more occupied when we are away. This was all easily setup on the app. Lurton isn’t cheap but they have a wireless system that just works. Some of the cheaper systems work most of the time and will need the occasional tinkering to keep it working. My RA2 system has worked faultlessly even though I had no prior experience installing it. There are professional installers who fit it for you but you can get the modules yourself and get your own competent person to install and program the system yourself.
Thanks Robert, that's very interesting and I particularly like the bit about getting it to turn off the lights the kids leave on 😉 A few people have said I have missed a trick not simplifying all those circuits wiith moods so maybe this is the answer in the medium term once my finances have recovered.
Ooo. I came up with the separate dimmer thing and now feel happier that I've seen it online as well. I wasn't going for looks, just that you don't really want to hit a dimmer each time you go into a kitchen. Thanks for all the info. The distances from walls etc and non-symmetrical design has really helped!
So many thoughts! I agonised over my kitchen light 15 years ago now, but you've reached mostly the same conclusions. Denise was right. Things I learned: A laser level is one of the great unsung heroes of a tool bag. I use mine often - a great OCD enabler. 🙂 Daylight colour temp and under cupboard lighting are essential, and I like your solution of cutting the base. Install more lights and power points than you think you will ever need - if it's too bright (it won't be) you can always dim, but you can't make more light. We included automation, which can bring up certain lights according to the ambient light levels and time of day as you enter the area. ie 3am - come up to just 10%. Light source - you should never be able to see it - things should just be illuminated, kinda like your Velux area (good idea there). For this reason I recommend finding a different light source for your three pendants to remove the harshness. Under-bench LED strips are a bit tacky - I wouldn't do it. It is everywhere! I hid my power points - both in the back of hutch areas where the toaster, kettle, food processors are, and behind drawer fronts so that cables are not dragging across counter tops and getting in the way and covered in food prep - first class functionality and very tidy because there's none on the walls. Love your work - always learn something new from you.
Looks fantastic Charlie! When I did my under counter LEDs on my new kitchen I used COB CCT LED strip, which lets you adjust the colour temperature by a cheap and cheerful LED driver from amazon. This lets you have a blue white mode for when you're working and a yellow white for relaxing... in reality we never change it, haha!. Also since it was basically a retrofit and not hard wired in by a sparkie I used Ikea remote sockets (TRÅDFRI) to power them, and the above cabinet unicorn puke RGBIC, this gives you a little switch which is magnetic so is stuck to the side of the fridge. A good option for retrofitting and no need for a sparkie. You can add a hub to get some smart functionality with the Ikea stuff, but I don't need any of that.
Missed the opportunity to put in 5amp sockets around the perimeter or where there are side tables I use them more than the downlights 😅. Definitely look at trying to put in a lutron RA2 system, it’s app and uses wireless switches. Then you could incorporate the under pelmet lights into the light switch positions it also allows you to scene control the whole area from one button.
This is perfectly timed - we're just working on details like this for our refurb and the current plan has the electricians grid. I've been looking at this and thinking "I don't like it" but didn't know how to approach it.
I was advised by a professional designer along similar lines to your electrician, I chose to ignore based on where I needed the light to be and the mood needed. For bedrooms I avoided the ‘central’ light and ensured that when we lay in bed the lights didn’t create glare. So I’m feeling vindicated by your video. We moved 3 months ago and it looks as though the previous owner installed lighting along similar lines to myself. I must confess the grid style lighting panels I have inherited are a bit crass but they do divide the lights up very neatly. Great vid thank you Charlie. Regards Mike
Hi Charlie. Long time subscriber here. I thoroughly appreciate everything you do in making the time to put these videos out. No doubt it is an added stress to the house refurb workload and I commend you for it. However, I do miss those videos where you seemed more laid back and perhaps had a bit more time on your hands!! Recent videos seem a bit rushed and chop back and fore and I get why it's happening because you feel you need to push out material to viewers like me. I know I'll get hounded for this so to reiterate, I am not going to stop viewing and really appreciate what you do. I just thought I would give you my opinion and as with every opinion you are free to completely ignore it!!! Hope you are well and looking forward to the next video.
Hi, firstly thanks for being such a long time subscriber. No, I really appreciate that feedback, it's very valuable. I suppose I've tried to keep things reasonably fast moving in the vids because you have so little time these days to deliver info before people click away. I'll take that on board though and see if I can slow things down a bit. 👌👊
@@CharlieDIYte Personally, I really enjoy the videos where you walk through everything in detail. The content was what I wanted to see (hence me watching!) and the time was irrelevant and would fly by! I really appreciate your channel and it has helped with many personal jobs
Thanks Charlie, and good to hear from you again ! It's always interesting to hear what you have to say, as despite your wealth of hard won experience, you still speak very much as a home-owner/DIYer which keeps you relatable. Our kitchen lights are shocking - a 3way spot & 4 way spot-bar (Led GU10s) centred in the middle of an 18x11 ft room, wherever you stand you are casting a hard shadow and thus have poor light to work by. I've been puzzling over what to do about it so this gives me some more ideas so thank you. I love those LED strip-light connectors btw. You're sounding a bit rough mate, hope you're feeling better soon.
Thanks mate. Yes had a bit of the lurgy - a bit run down I think. Slowly coming out of it though. Sorry to hear about your setup. I bet you could make it a lot better with a bit of creative, pragmatic thinking...🤔
Glad you are pleased with all of your hard work Charlie, it's looking great! Love the green kitchen units. I'm surprised you don't have a dustcatcher when drilling downlights.. but then i suppose it's also having space to store everything! Tool space is really at a premium for me nowadays
Thanks for another great video with all the details and also the mistakes! That's how problems get solved lol! We are about to put in the lights for our house and I will keep these tips in mind for exact placement :)
I would love to see all the kitchen lighting made Smart. Something I have thought about doing in my own home a lot since moving in two years ago but never got started. By the way Great Video!
Thanks Paul. Yes the guys on my Discord forum will be disappointed I didn't put Shelley relays in and I still haven't got my head around home assistant. Maybe one for the future.
Thanks for this. I agree with avoiding smart lights for the Kitchen, think it's overkill. Our house has lighting which was clearly designed by a pro (projector bulbs, clever placements etc) but it dates to the 80s! It's well done but is in urgent need of an update. It literally uses the kind of specialist bulbs they use in museums for lighting up exhibits (last owner was an antiques nerd) . So this gives me good ideas for replacement.
If worried about switches and smart apps/automation, you could use deeper back boxes when doing 1st fix, and fit smart relays - like Shelly relays. Then you can use switches both physically and via app or automation and everything stays in sync (which is how it always should be).
Was going to comment with the same recommendation of Shelly devices. They brilliantly integrate with standard switches, preserving the behaviour but also adding some smarts.
Looks great. The only difference I have made to my kitchen LED strip light is that I connected them to motion sensors. So at night going out to get a drink of water, the sensor automatically turns on the LED strip lights. Its gentle glow does not wake us up and it turns on automatically, we don't have to look for the switch. The family loves it.
We have done this with Loxone but it also considers time of day so in the morning the lighst has a set brightness and it can turn on the radio, in the evening its set for meal preparartion but at night they just come on bright enough that you don't stub a toe"
Great vid and some great info as ever. Having replaced our kitchen and conveyed to open plan last year I spent quite a bit of time thinking about lighting circuits. I wish I had thought about the lamp over the edge of the worktop. Because we retained the classic grid (only 4 lamps) by luck rather than judgement it does line up over the worktop. I may just move the others to do this despite the pain. I went with the Wi-Fi Quinetic from TLC so gives a manual (hold to dim) switch but also smart features. I expect there are nicer systems out there in terms of smart features but works well for us so far.
Thanks Jon. Yes the Quinetic switch sounds good. I probably should have put something in to give a mood functionality but it was mostly cost and complexity of wiring trust were the main drivers if you pardon the pun, at the time. There's always something you miss 😉
Completely unrelated comment - the kitchen fan ducting (visible at 4:01) looks like you've bent a wall mount unit into a duct spaced a bit out from the wall. Assuming this is to route it through a joist. Can you say more about how you did this? Looks good, want to do a similar thing!
So glad my husband sent me this, not because I have a clue about any of the tech stuff, but because we have just instructed a contractor to build an extension. We’re having a Tom Howley kitchen, usual open planning living and I’m desperate to get the lighting right as we can’t do this twice ££££🙄 Where do I go for a lighting designer please or does Pho(??) offer that to people who buy their products? Thanks so much!
Thanks Ruth. Yes if you contact Guy Dyke-Pryce at Phos he'll produce a lighting design for you if you order the lights from him. I would definitely go with Phos if you're investing in a Thomas Howley kitchen.
I get the simplicity of the manual switches, but for me, I'm in the process of ripping all that out and making it smart, controlled by Home Assistant. I walk into the bathroom, the presence sensor knows I'm there and will turn the lights on based on various variables... if it's between midnight and 7am, it'll turn them on but on a very dim setting... after 7am and it'll turn the lights on only if the lux sensor is below a certain level.... depending on that lux level, it'll vary the intensity of the lighting! It also allows for truely bespoke LED lighting control.... For example I have an led strip that starts vertically on the upper part of the wall, heads across the ceiling, before splitting in two directions... the LEDs are individually addressable and so it's been possible to turn the LEDs on one after another, lighting a path, and then when the split happens, it extends equally along both simultaneously... looks really cool! ;-) .... wasn't hard to learn to do and sooooo cheap!!!! £6 ESP32 board, £20 strip of addressable LEDS (5m), in-plaster LED profile £50.... then making good with a bag of plaster (£10).... obviously the price increases drastically due to labour if you don't install the profiles yourself / replaster! But if it's happening at a time that you're remodelling anyway, then those plastering costs would be spent anyway.
Hi Charlie where did you get your LED aluminium profiles from? We've done something similar in our kitchen but with dimmable LED strips (that's worth a video - minefield!). We did under counter but also under plinth which has been a massive success, it means we can have very low floor level lighting on in the evening which looks really nice. However all the strips are just stuck on (sticky back) and they fall down quite a bit, so I want to set them into an aluminium profile properly now.
On "smart" switching, the idea is you don't need an app at all. I use home assistant and a pile of ZigBee switches and sensors (PIR, mmWave, lux) so our lights turn themselves on when and where people are, to varying degrees depending on how dark it is inside and out. There are a couple of hardware override dimmer switches in the relevant places but you don't need to touch them 99% of the time.
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That's very kind of you. Here you go amzn.to/3S3Hwjb There's also this amzn.to/3zxObvk for WiFi or if you need to use cellular this one www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C2ZBFYQ9/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_apa_gl_i_4J62C4SV32RDQR84TM0S?linkCode=ml2&tag=charliediyt0d-21 It's been very good over there years. The only weakness is the way it notifies you of intruders. But you can record your own message "Intruder alert the owner has been notified" as an alarm which I think is a pretty good deterrent.
Another great video Charlie, as someone who is planning a kitchen redesign I found it really useful. I know I'm being lazy but can you please include links to the materials and equipment you use as it saves hours on googling when you don't really know what you are looking for. Also with Amazon, I believe you can set up affiliate links to earn a "couple of bob" from linked purchases. Also, my wife just loves the pantry cupboard - where did you get it from?
Downligters are so naff the worst thing i ever did loads of bulbs we went from halogen to energy svaers leds an lets face it u just need to light a room what u can do with a 100 w bulb an change for a pound
I really like the lighting approach here but you have so many switches and dimmers there must be 100 combinations of lighting. I understand you want to avoid the need for people to need an app to control lights but I would be just as confused with so many switches. The reality is even with all of these lights you probably only need 4 or 5 combinations of all of the switch and dimmer settings. Think breakfast, preparing a meal, entertaining, relaxing later. I simpler way of selecting a "mood" or toggling between a few moods would I think be much better. We are struggling with the lighting in a large open plan living space and kitchen. We have used a couple of lines of spots on the kitchen space (dimmed) and will then add probably LED strip and perhaps cable lights as we have a large vaulted ceiling. I think you should have considered a lighting controller like Rako. We are going all in with Loxone so can have a number of moods that can be applied based on simple switches and considering time of day, brightness etc. We were worried about the cost of such a system but it's cost less than our driveway which is not actually very large.
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I’m Charlie-famous! Ridiculously chuffed for mentioning my post, Charlie. I’d add that, as well as the black inner on the downlighters which has massively reduced glare, also look at ones which come with a black baffle - a honeycomb pattern of mesh - to sit beneath the bulb. In my hallway where I forgot to fit dimmers, the honeycomb mesh thingy really softened the light from the utilitarian downlighters I inherited from the previous owners. Your kitchen looks amazing, Charlie. Really beautiful job.
Thanks as ever Denise.. Another great tip and the thanks are all mine for your comment which arguably inspired me to make the video. 🙏👌👍
It’s funny isn’t it how people who do things properly, perfectly, accurately with attention to detail have to almost apologetically self-diagnose with OCD. Were all great artists OCD because they painted perfectly? No. It’s normal and healthy to obsess over things you love. So be like Charlie and cherish your fastidiousness. That’s how you end up with a beautiful kitchen with perfect lighting as in this video.
Here here!
Thanks for the shout out - glad to see it worked out well, although I knew it would!
Yey, glad you saw it Ben. Can't thank you enough for sending us down this course of action. Wouldn't have our fab lights without you!! 👌👊
Very good. I just fitted two under cabinet lamps and they have transformed the kitcken. Wish I'd done this years ago. Didn't know there was a magic '300mm' but I opted for half the cabinet depth as it illuminated the counter top well and evenly. Hardest bit was chasing the wiring within voids.
Really like the LED strips you fitted and they complement the pendants. Lighting has really changed. Not that long ago I had a different kitchen with 14 x 50W GU lights. You never needed the heating on in that room, but it was pricey just to illuminate!
Yes, when we installed our old kitchen in 2010 I don't think LEDs were a thing as the we had CFL bulbs. Then fitted GU10s in the same housing and now we've got led strips. Sounds like you've done a good job there. Yes half the cabinet depth is basically what they mean by 300 in from the edge 👌
Nice job Charlie, I'm an electrician and i can't abide visible grid layout ceiling spots.
In my renovation, 6 years ago i went for the plaster in concealed spots, under cab leds, hanging mood lights, indirect uplights. 7 switchable circuits. But also avoid the programmable lighting controls as they invariably break, parts become unavailable then it's downhill from the.
Beautiful... Youre doing a great job
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Thanks mate. Sounds like you nailed that 👌 You're clearly damn good at the day job. Good point about the programming. Yep, the last thing you want is a gateway going down.
Thanks Charlie, I would have loved this video when I was doing my kitchen last year. I asked the electrician about lighting design but he barely offered anything useful. And I didn't find many good youtube vids out there. And I can't believe phos just gave you a small discount. With 400k subs they should be biting your arm off and paying for the entire installation just to get a mention.
Thanks Ollie. It wasn't a bad discount but small when you consider the publicity and possibly sales generated they'll be getting 😉
My kitchen had under cupboard lighting for the worktop but the switch was in the awkwardly in the cupboard. I installed some IR sensors and fixed them up hidden at the back. One of the simplest and my favourite mods in the house. It means a quick wave to turn on and no dirty fingers on the switches as you'll often have dirty hands when you need the light. One things to note, steam can set them off, so set them away from the hob/kettle.
Great work 👌
Lovely attention to detail Charlie, my only comment would be to make sure you install fire rated down lights and lighting wherever possible, often people overlook this and it can void home insurance. Also buy spares of all the lighting you install as in 2-3 years often things become discontinued and you end up with a problem.
Great results and glad you spoke to Guy. I did the same year's ago and it opened my eyes into lighting design.
The lights I installed were also removed when I moved house, as they were far too good to leave for the new owners and are being installed in my new place.
Having a few extras is vital as I had a few die after 5 years of constant on/off use (in a utility).
Very well thought through and designed. I did a light retrofit using smart home and HomeAssistant. I converted two pendants to spotlights and then added 3 pendants above the dining table, all on the same circuit. I then used IKEA's smart bulbs with colour temp control. So now I can control groups of lights as if they were on different circuits and I have cool, high Kelvin lights in the day, and warm lights in the evening.
To keep the light switches functional I had to do something very convoluted.
Thanks George. Yes I should have mentioned the capabilities of Home Assistant and I suppose Shelley relays - but I don't think my electrician would have thanked me for making it any more convoluted than it already is 😉
This brings me back to a whole house renovation in 2007. Smart homes and lighting were just taking off and I wanted to incorporate that into the design as much as I could. I invested into a 24 channel iLight system and planned all the circuits myself. I got about 70% of it right which left me frustrated that it didn't really live up to the cost and expectation. I bought a LED panel for the kitchen that controlled all the channels and scenes around the house but it just wasn't programmed that well and was very confusing for people visiting. I made some mods to the actual lights. Over the Island did the usual 6 spots and around the perimeter of the kitchen/diner (11x5m) were 22 more spots. I replaced the 6 island spots with 3 pendants and removed about a dozen more spots...huge improvment. Biggest improvement was finding an iLight specialist that re-programmed the whole system including phone app and only now do I feel it was worth the investment. Keep up the good work.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Yes I think I probably missed a trick not trying to program in some kind of mood functionality but it was that classic case of time and money. 👊
Great video with a lot of tips. I would recommend a smart lighting controller. Our kitchen has 6 circuits and a table lamp and having multiple switch points would be a nightmare to setup and maintain. Instead we have Lutron RA2 controllers on each circuit and used their Pico remotes wherever we need them. Instead of controlling the independent circuits, you switch scenes depending on your purpose. So you van have a general turn everything on scene plus another to set the mood for dining or a party. It is retrofitable on regular UK lighting circuits so we have added this across most of our lights in the house. It does have smart integrations and a really simple to use app but you don’t need it for day to day use and the many technophobe guests to our house have no issue turning lights on and off.
One of the best smart features for me is turning lights off automatically that my teenage kids like to leave on, some to a set schedule others for a specified time after they were switched on. Another cool feature is the smart home away which I turn on when going on holiday and it replays the past two weeks of lighting to make the house look more occupied when we are away. This was all easily setup on the app.
Lurton isn’t cheap but they have a wireless system that just works. Some of the cheaper systems work most of the time and will need the occasional tinkering to keep it working. My RA2 system has worked faultlessly even though I had no prior experience installing it. There are professional installers who fit it for you but you can get the modules yourself and get your own competent person to install and program the system yourself.
Thanks Robert, that's very interesting and I particularly like the bit about getting it to turn off the lights the kids leave on 😉 A few people have said I have missed a trick not simplifying all those circuits wiith moods so maybe this is the answer in the medium term once my finances have recovered.
Ooo. I came up with the separate dimmer thing and now feel happier that I've seen it online as well. I wasn't going for looks, just that you don't really want to hit a dimmer each time you go into a kitchen. Thanks for all the info. The distances from walls etc and non-symmetrical design has really helped!
You're welcome Keith. Glad you found it useful and thanks for letting me know. 👊
So many thoughts! I agonised over my kitchen light 15 years ago now, but you've reached mostly the same conclusions.
Denise was right.
Things I learned:
A laser level is one of the great unsung heroes of a tool bag. I use mine often - a great OCD enabler. 🙂
Daylight colour temp and under cupboard lighting are essential, and I like your solution of cutting the base.
Install more lights and power points than you think you will ever need - if it's too bright (it won't be) you can always dim, but you can't make more light.
We included automation, which can bring up certain lights according to the ambient light levels and time of day as you enter the area. ie 3am - come up to just 10%.
Light source - you should never be able to see it - things should just be illuminated, kinda like your Velux area (good idea there). For this reason I recommend finding a different light source for your three pendants to remove the harshness.
Under-bench LED strips are a bit tacky - I wouldn't do it. It is everywhere!
I hid my power points - both in the back of hutch areas where the toaster, kettle, food processors are, and behind drawer fronts so that cables are not dragging across counter tops and getting in the way and covered in food prep - first class functionality and very tidy because there's none on the walls.
Love your work - always learn something new from you.
Looks fantastic Charlie! When I did my under counter LEDs on my new kitchen I used COB CCT LED strip, which lets you adjust the colour temperature by a cheap and cheerful LED driver from amazon. This lets you have a blue white mode for when you're working and a yellow white for relaxing... in reality we never change it, haha!. Also since it was basically a retrofit and not hard wired in by a sparkie I used Ikea remote sockets (TRÅDFRI) to power them, and the above cabinet unicorn puke RGBIC, this gives you a little switch which is magnetic so is stuck to the side of the fridge. A good option for retrofitting and no need for a sparkie. You can add a hub to get some smart functionality with the Ikea stuff, but I don't need any of that.
Missed the opportunity to put in 5amp sockets around the perimeter or where there are side tables I use them more than the downlights 😅. Definitely look at trying to put in a lutron RA2 system, it’s app and uses wireless switches. Then you could incorporate the under pelmet lights into the light switch positions it also allows you to scene control the whole area from one button.
Nicely done Charlie.
I work for PHOS in the north, and the story of our business is a great story to tell.
Excellent video. Love the results you’ve achieved with this scheme, Charlie, and of course it’s highly informative. Thanks for sharing, as always.
You're very welcome, thanks for the comment 👊
This is perfectly timed - we're just working on details like this for our refurb and the current plan has the electricians grid. I've been looking at this and thinking "I don't like it" but didn't know how to approach it.
I was advised by a professional designer along similar lines to your electrician, I chose to ignore based on where I needed the light to be and the mood needed. For bedrooms I avoided the ‘central’ light and ensured that when we lay in bed the lights didn’t create glare. So I’m feeling vindicated by your video. We moved 3 months ago and it looks as though the previous owner installed lighting along similar lines to myself. I must confess the grid style lighting panels I have inherited are a bit crass but they do divide the lights up very neatly. Great vid thank you Charlie. Regards Mike
Hi Charlie. Long time subscriber here.
I thoroughly appreciate everything you do in making the time to put these videos out. No doubt it is an added stress to the house refurb workload and I commend you for it.
However, I do miss those videos where you seemed more laid back and perhaps had a bit more time on your hands!! Recent videos seem a bit rushed and chop back and fore and I get why it's happening because you feel you need to push out material to viewers like me.
I know I'll get hounded for this so to reiterate, I am not going to stop viewing and really appreciate what you do. I just thought I would give you my opinion and as with every opinion you are free to completely ignore it!!!
Hope you are well and looking forward to the next video.
Hi, firstly thanks for being such a long time subscriber. No, I really appreciate that feedback, it's very valuable. I suppose I've tried to keep things reasonably fast moving in the vids because you have so little time these days to deliver info before people click away. I'll take that on board though and see if I can slow things down a bit. 👌👊
@@CharlieDIYte Personally, I really enjoy the videos where you walk through everything in detail. The content was what I wanted to see (hence me watching!) and the time was irrelevant and would fly by! I really appreciate your channel and it has helped with many personal jobs
Thanks Charlie, and good to hear from you again ! It's always interesting to hear what you have to say, as despite your wealth of hard won experience, you still speak very much as a home-owner/DIYer which keeps you relatable.
Our kitchen lights are shocking - a 3way spot & 4 way spot-bar (Led GU10s) centred in the middle of an 18x11 ft room, wherever you stand you are casting a hard shadow and thus have poor light to work by. I've been puzzling over what to do about it so this gives me some more ideas so thank you. I love those LED strip-light connectors btw.
You're sounding a bit rough mate, hope you're feeling better soon.
Thanks mate. Yes had a bit of the lurgy - a bit run down I think. Slowly coming out of it though. Sorry to hear about your setup. I bet you could make it a lot better with a bit of creative, pragmatic thinking...🤔
Glad you are pleased with all of your hard work Charlie, it's looking great! Love the green kitchen units.
I'm surprised you don't have a dustcatcher when drilling downlights.. but then i suppose it's also having space to store everything! Tool space is really at a premium for me nowadays
Yep. My tools are in such a mess..🤦
Thanks for another great video with all the details and also the mistakes! That's how problems get solved lol! We are about to put in the lights for our house and I will keep these tips in mind for exact placement :)
I would love to see all the kitchen lighting made Smart. Something I have thought about doing in my own home a lot since moving in two years ago but never got started. By the way Great Video!
Thanks Paul. Yes the guys on my Discord forum will be disappointed I didn't put Shelley relays in and I still haven't got my head around home assistant. Maybe one for the future.
Love the under cupboard lights. All of them are great. 😊
Thanks 🙏
Solid plan. Excellent execution !
Looks wonderful.
Job well done
Thanks 👊
Love the way you did the recessed under cabinet LED strips. Some German kitchen brands offer this as an option, but I haven’t yet seen it on UK ones.
Great video thank you. What LED strips are they? will any do? also where did you get the channel strips you added the LEDs to?
Good to see the "Skil" brand 👍
Glad to see im on the right track with my lighting design, cheers for the video
You're welcome. 👊
Looks great Charlie. Hope you start feeling better soon!
Yep, really struggling these last few days. 👊
Hadn't ever thought about this in such detail so very useful thanks!
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment 👊
Thanks for this. I agree with avoiding smart lights for the Kitchen, think it's overkill. Our house has lighting which was clearly designed by a pro (projector bulbs, clever placements etc) but it dates to the 80s! It's well done but is in urgent need of an update. It literally uses the kind of specialist bulbs they use in museums for lighting up exhibits (last owner was an antiques nerd) . So this gives me good ideas for replacement.
Glad to hear it. Good luck with the changes 👌
If worried about switches and smart apps/automation, you could use deeper back boxes when doing 1st fix, and fit smart relays - like Shelly relays.
Then you can use switches both physically and via app or automation and everything stays in sync (which is how it always should be).
Was going to comment with the same recommendation of Shelly devices. They brilliantly integrate with standard switches, preserving the behaviour but also adding some smarts.
Fair point. With everything going on with the build that was one step too far but I should have mentioned it.
Looks great. The only difference I have made to my kitchen LED strip light is that I connected them to motion sensors. So at night going out to get a drink of water, the sensor automatically turns on the LED strip lights. Its gentle glow does not wake us up and it turns on automatically, we don't have to look for the switch.
The family loves it.
Love that! What a great idea.
We have done this with Loxone but it also considers time of day so in the morning the lighst has a set brightness and it can turn on the radio, in the evening its set for meal preparartion but at night they just come on bright enough that you don't stub a toe"
Great vid and some great info as ever. Having replaced our kitchen and conveyed to open plan last year I spent quite a bit of time thinking about lighting circuits. I wish I had thought about the lamp over the edge of the worktop. Because we retained the classic grid (only 4 lamps) by luck rather than judgement it does line up over the worktop. I may just move the others to do this despite the pain.
I went with the Wi-Fi Quinetic from TLC so gives a manual (hold to dim) switch but also smart features. I expect there are nicer systems out there in terms of smart features but works well for us so far.
Thanks Jon. Yes the Quinetic switch sounds good. I probably should have put something in to give a mood functionality but it was mostly cost and complexity of wiring trust were the main drivers if you pardon the pun, at the time. There's always something you miss 😉
Completely unrelated comment - the kitchen fan ducting (visible at 4:01) looks like you've bent a wall mount unit into a duct spaced a bit out from the wall. Assuming this is to route it through a joist. Can you say more about how you did this? Looks good, want to do a similar thing!
So glad my husband sent me this, not because I have a clue about any of the tech stuff, but because we have just instructed a contractor to build an extension. We’re having a Tom Howley kitchen, usual open planning living and I’m desperate to get the lighting right as we can’t do this twice ££££🙄 Where do I go for a lighting designer please or does Pho(??) offer that to people who buy their products? Thanks so much!
Thanks Ruth. Yes if you contact Guy Dyke-Pryce at Phos he'll produce a lighting design for you if you order the lights from him. I would definitely go with Phos if you're investing in a Thomas Howley kitchen.
Did you use fire proof plasterboard on the ceiling in the kitchen. Great light ideas.
Thanks. Yes around all the steels.
Looks amazin! really great job
Thanks!
Do you need a building regs application for this type of electrical work
Excellent job
Thanks 👊
Hi Charlie, nice job. Where did you get your led strip from? Had a look through comments but cant see it mentioned.
Thanks. I got that from Phos too.
I get the simplicity of the manual switches, but for me, I'm in the process of ripping all that out and making it smart, controlled by Home Assistant. I walk into the bathroom, the presence sensor knows I'm there and will turn the lights on based on various variables... if it's between midnight and 7am, it'll turn them on but on a very dim setting... after 7am and it'll turn the lights on only if the lux sensor is below a certain level.... depending on that lux level, it'll vary the intensity of the lighting! It also allows for truely bespoke LED lighting control.... For example I have an led strip that starts vertically on the upper part of the wall, heads across the ceiling, before splitting in two directions... the LEDs are individually addressable and so it's been possible to turn the LEDs on one after another, lighting a path, and then when the split happens, it extends equally along both simultaneously... looks really cool! ;-) .... wasn't hard to learn to do and sooooo cheap!!!! £6 ESP32 board, £20 strip of addressable LEDS (5m), in-plaster LED profile £50.... then making good with a bag of plaster (£10).... obviously the price increases drastically due to labour if you don't install the profiles yourself / replaster! But if it's happening at a time that you're remodelling anyway, then those plastering costs would be spent anyway.
Hi Charlie where did you get your LED aluminium profiles from? We've done something similar in our kitchen but with dimmable LED strips (that's worth a video - minefield!). We did under counter but also under plinth which has been a massive success, it means we can have very low floor level lighting on in the evening which looks really nice. However all the strips are just stuck on (sticky back) and they fall down quite a bit, so I want to set them into an aluminium profile properly now.
Hi Tom - I got them from Phos too.
Hi Charlie
Are the led strips mains or low voltage
Off transformer??
Great video as always full of tips information for us diy ers
Thanks. They're low voltage off transformers.
On "smart" switching, the idea is you don't need an app at all. I use home assistant and a pile of ZigBee switches and sensors (PIR, mmWave, lux) so our lights turn themselves on when and where people are, to varying degrees depending on how dark it is inside and out.
There are a couple of hardware override dimmer switches in the relevant places but you don't need to touch them 99% of the time.
I'm in the market for an inspection camera and remembered this video of the one you purchased. Have you got an affiliate link for this as I'm looking to get the same one you purchased
That's very kind of you. Here you go amzn.to/3S3Hwjb There's also this amzn.to/3zxObvk for WiFi or if you need to use cellular this one www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C2ZBFYQ9/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_apa_gl_i_4J62C4SV32RDQR84TM0S?linkCode=ml2&tag=charliediyt0d-21 It's been very good over there years. The only weakness is the way it notifies you of intruders. But you can record your own message "Intruder alert the owner has been notified" as an alarm which I think is a pretty good deterrent.
Another great video Charlie, as someone who is planning a kitchen redesign I found it really useful. I know I'm being lazy but can you please include links to the materials and equipment you use as it saves hours on googling when you don't really know what you are looking for. Also with Amazon, I believe you can set up affiliate links to earn a "couple of bob" from linked purchases. Also, my wife just loves the pantry cupboard - where did you get it from?
Brilliant info!
Thanks. Chuffed you found it useful. 🙏
Do one for your bathroom lights please
My cabinets in the kitchen
About 12 long cost me £20 led and they come on every time you walking the kitchen job done
I hope you don’t mind me asking but how do you afford such high spec options in your home? Do you have a day job as well as TH-cam?
My other half works and as I found out the other day when I did my tax return, I've been living beyond my means. 😉🤦
@@CharlieDIYte 😂😂👍👍👍
👍👍👍. Thank you
Cheers Pete 👊
Isn't building regulations say 6 lights to one switch? Did you calculate the amount on a 6amp circuit?... Just kidding.. looks great.
Hello
6 switches, and under cabinet lighting not included in one of them. Not convinced. Sorry!
No pleasing some people. 😉
Downligters are so naff the worst thing i ever did loads of bulbs we went from halogen to energy svaers leds an lets face it u just need to light a room what u can do with a 100 w bulb an change for a pound
Completely missing the point. Have you even bothered to watch the video? Lighting is more than simply the ability to see in a dark room.
Great video but well past DIY I think now Charlie.
I really like the lighting approach here but you have so many switches and dimmers there must be 100 combinations of lighting. I understand you want to avoid the need for people to need an app to control lights but I would be just as confused with so many switches. The reality is even with all of these lights you probably only need 4 or 5 combinations of all of the switch and dimmer settings. Think breakfast, preparing a meal, entertaining, relaxing later. I simpler way of selecting a "mood" or toggling between a few moods would I think be much better. We are struggling with the lighting in a large open plan living space and kitchen. We have used a couple of lines of spots on the kitchen space (dimmed) and will then add probably LED strip and perhaps cable lights as we have a large vaulted ceiling. I think you should have considered a lighting controller like Rako. We are going all in with Loxone so can have a number of moods that can be applied based on simple switches and considering time of day, brightness etc. We were worried about the cost of such a system but it's cost less than our driveway which is not actually very large.
It's a fair point.
Buikding regs say you cant have nice lights
Booo 😉