Thanks to Larry for doing an awesome job covering this car and asking all the right questions! You are a master of film and photo! Look forward to seeing you next time with this car. We’ll get a proper run!
@@galiedmallum957 Do your research, lots of technical differences in design and architecture. Just because it looks similar on the OUTSIDE doesn't mean jack shit. Heads aren't interchangeable, bore x stroke are different. Crankshaft counterweights are different, cam durations are different, ignition timing is different. it's a different motor, sounds to me like you hate Toyotas for some illogical ass reason.
@@galiedmallum957 Why aren't BDA`s swapped into every midsize 90s car? Why isn't there this huge aftermarket and scene for BDA engines? I mean they are so superior, why don't all of the racers use them? Hell, why did this guy use a 4aGe instead of BDA?
It's really uncanny, cause my brain already associate the noises that the 4AGE makes to a corolla body. Seeing an open wheel track car making the same noise is off-putting, in the best way possible! What a car!
The simplicity and efficiency of this build is impressive. So cool to see guys take legit race cars and remove all the limitations placed on them to compete. I was drooling over sport compact car in the early 2000s and always wanted to see JGTC 500/300 cars with modern turbos and the restrictors removed to see what they're truly capable of.
This is one of the coolest videos you’ve ever done Larry. The amount of thought just gives me so much more appreciation for builds like the hoonicorn, hoonipig, ol smoky, etc. Absolutely fascinating.
cant believe that I actually finished watching this 48minutes and 53seconds video without skipping a seconds of it. what a car. what a coverage. thanks Larry
Great video, thanks to everyone who helped make it happen. I love the 4A-GE family of engines, great to see a turbo version delivering so much power while doing that reliably, always great to see. Looks like a stellar combination.
Palmer here in Massachusetts is a fantastic track. It’s relatively new. It was my first track I’ve ever raced at. It’s insane. The elevation change from the start line to the peak is almost 200ft. within about 2 miles.
Thank you for sharing this, I loved every second of this. 4age is my favorite engine and it’s so interesting to see it used in this application. I hope you cover more 4ag builds in the future ❤❤
4ag ftw! Have played with 4ag's for 26 years, such a awesome engine. Awesome build, I'd bust a nut in my suit for sure driving that thing.... 😂 Just to drive it around Lakeside park would be the biggest buzz!
Back in the early '90s I had a Toyota catalog that actually has 4age Atlantic parts issued. You could ordered basically everything you needed to build an engine. Back then they used dual side draft carbs. I remember reading that the 4age Atlantic engines revved to 11000 or 12000 rpm and made roughly 260hp. Later engines that ran injection there were estimates as high as 300hp. These were all crank hp ratings, NOT wheel hp. At some tracks Atlantic cars had to run a muffler, usually a Supertrapp mufflers, because of local noise ordinances. The Atlantics were actually louder than the CHAMP cars they supported.
We only had big RPM on the carb'd cars. Once it went to EFI, I think it dropped to 10,000 or 10,200? Later years dropped to 9600. We made about 250+ HP in race trim.
@@MrTL3wis been al ong time fan of the lil 4age, I dailied a MK1 MR2 for 20 years. I was unaware that the injected engines had their revs cut. Some tracks the Atlantic cars had to run mufflers where the Champ Cars didnt bc the Atlantics were so damn loud.
@@aw11man26 Yep. We always ran a muffler from Coast Fabrication. We would pack it with stainless steel 'steel wool' and the more you got in, the more power you made, because it would kinda turn into a straight pipe. There was also a certain measurement for the muffler which affected engine tuning.
@@MrTL3wis when were you running the Atlantic 4age. I remember many years ago, circa early '90s, I read they only ran mufflers at tracks that had noise regulations. they ran Supertrapp mufflers.
@@aw11man26 I did Atlantics from '97 to '08. In that time, we always had some version of the Coast Fab silencer. Straight pipes would be ear-splitting. My ears are blown-out enough!
I did the same thing, I used the 4AGZE block (more ribs stronger), crank, pistons, and rods. The 4AGZE is already a forced induction (supercharged), but I used a turbo Garrett disco potato, and its awesome. You will get a lot of power from 4AGE by porting the head (using CNC machine).
Excellent video Larry asking some great questions and your enthusiasm really shows in this video. Mirl was extremely professional and spoke really well as always 👍
That car is insane! It's a real piece of art right there! I really hope you do an update video in the future when they are able to do the things he/they want to do to this car.
Awesome. Really like the packaging at the rear. Love to see the F1 inspired aero features! I figured those additions to the suspension were for trying to deal with the tire squirt/wake. I hope you're able to add some more in the future! Seems like you could modify the floor edge to better seal the underfloor, improve the performance of the venturi tunnels, and better deal with the rear tire squirt. Also I'm not sure how difficult it would be to do, but I wonder if modifying the inside wheel covers to have vortex generators, could help to keep more of that flow attached as it goes around the sides of your sidepod where you have that undercut. Do you have a 3D model of the car? I'd be interested to see what it looks like in a CFD simulation. *i am not an aerodynamicist and have mostly no clue what I'm talking about. I just like F1/motorsports and the engineering involved
Simply beautiful fabrication on 4ag turbo engine. I see NX nitrous on the side. He was the fastest Rookie qualifier but unfortunately got a DNF not sure mechanical or contact. Good luck next year wishing the 4ag some win.
Palmer in Massachusetts? Very cool track! Gingerman in Michigan, Watkins Glen in New York, Limerock in Connecticut, Club Motorsports in New Hampshire all very cool tracks to check out.
I would love to see a twin-charged version of this car! Have the supercharger disengage at a certain PSI just like the original HKS 4AGZE kit. It could be an electric supercharger but that adds more cost and weight.
impressive, i can't believe it made it up the hill without blowing up! it must not have been built but hasselgren....jim kitz has been thru three engines this year.
It would be so cool to see a race series or time attacks of open spec prototypes, run what you brung at tracks around the country. Maybe just limit max hp or budget, but everything else is limited by the builders imagination and skill.
Please do an interview with the DK Keichi Tsuchiya and his personal Trueno as well as his N2 machine. The history of initial D etc. Guarantee that will be golden.
Still watching - isn't this the car that they were using at the race school at Infineon? I think they were running a FA on a 4G63 stock motor and induction system (the evo 9's engine).
We are looking to get more hp out of it in the next engine setup around 800hp target and the later push to 1000hp but the gearbox needs to be upgraded before that, that's our weak link
@@mtperformanceengines3508 how the hell is that hewland even coping? The torque and power surge must be insane in lower gears unless it's boost limited.
@spdcrzy emtron has a very cool torque limiting and torque strategy so we just tell the emtron what our torque limits are and it won't exceed that 😉 boost is irrelevant it's all about torque and the ecu creates live output torque readings so it's amazing for launch control and traction strategies Incorporate the bleed of throttle body into the intercooler pipe and we can keep turbo speed at our target and bleed off the air we don't need again limiting torque but retaining our turbospeed and therefore the boost We also use amazing strategies in the ecu for barometric correction for all of our closed loop controls but I can't talk to much about this on public fourm 😉
Теперь когда вы посмотрите в сторону v8, вспомните этот мотор из серийной легковушки, с блока объемом 1.6 которого снялось 600 турбо л.с и 240 атмосферных сил, вот это настоящее величие)
“Wow, 600hp in a 1.6, that’s incredible!” MP4/4 Powered by Honda would like to have a word (1.5L approx 1200hp). Ya, I know, that’s pretty much the pinnacle, but you also have to think of the HP almost In the context of Law of Diminishing returns.
Is there going to be a follow up video of what happened ? The live stream mentioned two engine failures , the car didn't make the first check point on the final day run ? There have been a few people asking on the YT video series of the engine build and on FB but there has yet been no replies as to what happened .
The videos from niko and myself are coming there was 2 weeks worth footage to edit and niko has been working hard since we got back editing when he can as it's not his full time job
Thanks to Larry for doing an awesome job covering this car and asking all the right questions!
You are a master of film and photo!
Look forward to seeing you next time with this car. We’ll get a proper run!
Wait - I don't think he asked you what turbo you are using on it!
@@BioCosmic--Dust Garrett G30-660
@@mirlswan Thanks! Can you tell me what the turbine housing A/R is? I see 0.61, 0.83, 1.01, and 1.21 on their list. Also a 1.06 twin-scroll.
.83
could it legally join a time attack challenge?lol
4AGE still laying the smack down after all these years
Considering it's a copy of a Ford cosworth BDA...
@@galiedmallum957 Do your research, lots of technical differences in design and architecture. Just because it looks similar on the OUTSIDE doesn't mean jack shit. Heads aren't interchangeable, bore x stroke are different. Crankshaft counterweights are different, cam durations are different, ignition timing is different. it's a different motor, sounds to me like you hate Toyotas for some illogical ass reason.
@@galiedmallum957 Why aren't BDA`s swapped into every midsize 90s car? Why isn't there this huge aftermarket and scene for BDA engines? I mean they are so superior, why don't all of the racers use them? Hell, why did this guy use a 4aGe instead of BDA?
I hear you... But also a 4age is a mass produced engine
@@galiedmallum957 So?
Omg, the black on black color scheme looks so good on that thing.
There’s only one colour. 😊
@@davidbarnes6410black right?
Black on black would just be black.
It's really uncanny, cause my brain already associate the noises that the 4AGE makes to a corolla body. Seeing an open wheel track car making the same noise is off-putting, in the best way possible! What a car!
Yup it's tripping me out
Who ever would have thought the ae86 an 4age would still be popular today !
This car is cool AF, but listen to some NA Atlantic cars - absolutely phenominal 4AGE noises.
@@JB-sv5pr Why are you bringing the ae86 chassis up? It came in most corollas and mr2's
@@casperholm78even the Geo gsi. And lotus.
The 4age and the cosworth DBA have a lot in common.
The simplicity and efficiency of this build is impressive. So cool to see guys take legit race cars and remove all the limitations placed on them to compete. I was drooling over sport compact car in the early 2000s and always wanted to see JGTC 500/300 cars with modern turbos and the restrictors removed to see what they're truly capable of.
This is one of the coolest videos you’ve ever done Larry. The amount of thought just gives me so much more appreciation for builds like the hoonicorn, hoonipig, ol smoky, etc. Absolutely fascinating.
Well thank you for watching a 49 min video 😂
cant believe that I actually finished watching this 48minutes and 53seconds video without skipping a seconds of it. what a car. what a coverage. thanks Larry
Great video, thanks to everyone who helped make it happen. I love the 4A-GE family of engines, great to see a turbo version delivering so much power while doing that reliably, always great to see. Looks like a stellar combination.
4age is the little engine that could!🎉❤
What a sick car!!! Sounds so good!! Great Job Swan!!! Love the #3 and the Black! Remind me of the Best NASCAR Driver Ever!!!
Do it for Dale.
One of the coolest builds, with one of the most underrated/unknown coolest engines Toyota made!
Very well known in Asia/Oceania. I’ve had a bunch of them over the years here in NZ.
Palmer here in Massachusetts is a fantastic track. It’s relatively new. It was my first track I’ve ever raced at. It’s insane. The elevation change from the start line to the peak is almost 200ft. within about 2 miles.
Palmer is really cool, not much else like it.
I'm in rhode island and I want to drive my 240sx there sometime
@@amast3rMind69 highly recommend catching an SCCA event there
I’ve watched Formula Atlantic races for so many years. This car is really cool
Thank you for sharing this, I loved every second of this. 4age is my favorite engine and it’s so interesting to see it used in this application. I hope you cover more 4ag builds in the future ❤❤
Very cool interview. I still have my old Swift Formula Atlantic 008a in my garage. It was my third race car and I loved it.
4ag ftw! Have played with 4ag's for 26 years, such a awesome engine. Awesome build, I'd bust a nut in my suit for sure driving that thing.... 😂 Just to drive it around Lakeside park would be the biggest buzz!
If you're wearing underwear, your suit would be fine
@@FLMKane 🤣
Back in the early '90s I had a Toyota catalog that actually has 4age Atlantic parts issued. You could ordered basically everything you needed to build an engine. Back then they used dual side draft carbs. I remember reading that the 4age Atlantic engines revved to 11000 or 12000 rpm and made roughly 260hp. Later engines that ran injection there were estimates as high as 300hp. These were all crank hp ratings, NOT wheel hp. At some tracks Atlantic cars had to run a muffler, usually a Supertrapp mufflers, because of local noise ordinances. The Atlantics were actually louder than the CHAMP cars they supported.
We only had big RPM on the carb'd cars. Once it went to EFI, I think it dropped to 10,000 or 10,200? Later years dropped to 9600. We made about 250+ HP in race trim.
@@MrTL3wis been al ong time fan of the lil 4age, I dailied a MK1 MR2 for 20 years. I was unaware that the injected engines had their revs cut. Some tracks the Atlantic cars had to run mufflers where the Champ Cars didnt bc the Atlantics were so damn loud.
@@aw11man26 Yep. We always ran a muffler from Coast Fabrication. We would pack it with stainless steel 'steel wool' and the more you got in, the more power you made, because it would kinda turn into a straight pipe. There was also a certain measurement for the muffler which affected engine tuning.
@@MrTL3wis when were you running the Atlantic 4age. I remember many years ago, circa early '90s, I read they only ran mufflers at tracks that had noise regulations. they ran Supertrapp mufflers.
@@aw11man26 I did Atlantics from '97 to '08. In that time, we always had some version of the Coast Fab silencer. Straight pipes would be ear-splitting. My ears are blown-out enough!
First few words this guy said I'm like the brain behind the eyes! The guy even makes it so I can understand! one of the best Larry!
Looks like that's a Hasselgren engine. I bet Paul loved that project. I can't believe you get that much out of them.
I did the same thing, I used the 4AGZE block (more ribs stronger), crank, pistons, and rods. The 4AGZE is already a forced induction (supercharged), but I used a turbo Garrett disco potato, and its awesome. You will get a lot of power from 4AGE by porting the head (using CNC machine).
Excellent video Larry asking some great questions and your enthusiasm really shows in this video. Mirl was extremely professional and spoke really well as always 👍
MT performance built 💪
I need a Larry Chen movie. Probably my favorite person behind a camera
Been an Atlantic fan a long time great formula for developing drivers and teams
This is awesome thanks Larry! And far out does this thing sound good too! Can’t believe it’s a 4age!
“The Black Swan”
600Hp Turbo Nitrous 4ag Formula Atlantic 🔥
what a build, I hope there’s an Onboard video
That car is insane! It's a real piece of art right there! I really hope you do an update video in the future when they are able to do the things he/they want to do to this car.
Great video. I have been following the engine build. I have a 4agze AE92 Trueno.
This build is awesome! Thanks to the owner for allowing us to see under the covers!
they need to sell those black team shirts he’s wearing i would buy one.
Good idea! I’ll check into it. 👍🏻
The Hallett sticker ❤❤❤❤ what are you doin now larry
I knew it! 4Age is power❤
Awesome. Really like the packaging at the rear. Love to see the F1 inspired aero features! I figured those additions to the suspension were for trying to deal with the tire squirt/wake. I hope you're able to add some more in the future! Seems like you could modify the floor edge to better seal the underfloor, improve the performance of the venturi tunnels, and better deal with the rear tire squirt. Also I'm not sure how difficult it would be to do, but I wonder if modifying the inside wheel covers to have vortex generators, could help to keep more of that flow attached as it goes around the sides of your sidepod where you have that undercut. Do you have a 3D model of the car? I'd be interested to see what it looks like in a CFD simulation.
*i am not an aerodynamicist and have mostly no clue what I'm talking about. I just like F1/motorsports and the engineering involved
I love the break down videos like this! It's so cool to see how people are do things!
Simply beautiful fabrication on 4ag turbo engine. I see NX nitrous on the side. He was the fastest Rookie qualifier but unfortunately got a DNF not sure mechanical or contact. Good luck next year wishing the 4ag some win.
Need more 4age goodness 😊
That engine builder... Matt? That guy down under!
Pikes Peak - like Bonneville - where builders get to drive their creations. Brilliant
Fantastic interview, thank you for the information overload. I hope everyone can have a bucket list Mirl
Very nice, I'm now convinced I need to do a 4AG-TE.
Palmer in Massachusetts? Very cool track! Gingerman in Michigan, Watkins Glen in New York, Limerock in Connecticut, Club Motorsports in New Hampshire all very cool tracks to check out.
We don't throw rule books in the trash... We make one that suits your needs.
What a car!
favorite engine ever built
I would love to see a twin-charged version of this car! Have the supercharger disengage at a certain PSI just like the original HKS 4AGZE kit. It could be an electric supercharger but that adds more cost and weight.
impressive, i can't believe it made it up the hill without blowing up! it must not have been built but hasselgren....jim kitz has been thru three engines this year.
It would be so cool to see a race series or time attacks of open spec prototypes, run what you brung at tracks around the country. Maybe just limit max hp or budget, but everything else is limited by the builders imagination and skill.
Sounds amazing
Takumi enters chat
real racing type oriented builds with people who do stuff with their cars besides just build them is cooooooooooller
What a wild looking halo
It looks like masterpiece. thanks for sharing that very interesting video. That man looks very simply but what he did is amazing
HOLYYY SHIIIIIT. PALMER MOTORSPORTS PARK. Out of all the places. haha. I love running that track on my r6, it really is so fun!
Please do an interview with the DK Keichi Tsuchiya and his personal Trueno as well as his N2 machine. The history of initial D etc. Guarantee that will be golden.
Was looking forward to hear about the electronics package
Wild sounding 4AGE bro
What an amazing machine
Still watching - isn't this the car that they were using at the race school at Infineon? I think they were running a FA on a 4G63 stock motor and induction system (the evo 9's engine).
Marc de Vellis (the guy from the Need For Speed: Underground intro with the silver 350Z) raced in the Toyota Atlantic Series
Great video!
This car looks outstanding. I wonder what SCCA class this would fit into with the turbocharged drivetrain.
SCCA FS class.
Best race live of my life.formula Atlantic at Westwood racetrack Vancouver bc Keke rosberg and gilles villaneuve .
A turbocharged AND nitrous-fed 1.6L making SIX. HUNDRED. WHEEL. HORSEPOWER. What the actual fuck lmaooooo.
@ 1225lbs
We are looking to get more hp out of it in the next engine setup around 800hp target and the later push to 1000hp but the gearbox needs to be upgraded before that, that's our weak link
@@mtperformanceengines3508 how the hell is that hewland even coping? The torque and power surge must be insane in lower gears unless it's boost limited.
@spdcrzy emtron has a very cool torque limiting and torque strategy so we just tell the emtron what our torque limits are and it won't exceed that 😉
boost is irrelevant it's all about torque and the ecu creates live output torque readings so it's amazing for launch control and traction strategies
Incorporate the bleed of throttle body into the intercooler pipe and we can keep turbo speed at our target and bleed off the air we don't need again limiting torque but retaining our turbospeed and therefore the boost
We also use amazing strategies in the ecu for barometric correction for all of our closed loop controls but I can't talk to much about this on public fourm 😉
Great video Larry what a build ❤
sounds like a super formula car almost. pretty sick!
This is ridiculously cool .
Takumi Fujiwara's car in Initial D had a 250ps Formula engine!!
Larry Chen and Dino in Japan . Both men are my favorite street Hunter when it comes to unique builds, unicorns and iconic passionate cars😤🫡👌🤜🏽
Теперь когда вы посмотрите в сторону v8, вспомните этот мотор из серийной легковушки, с блока объемом 1.6 которого снялось 600 турбо л.с и 240 атмосферных сил, вот это настоящее величие)
the track in palmer,ma is amazing.
“Wow, 600hp in a 1.6, that’s incredible!” MP4/4 Powered by Honda would like to have a word (1.5L approx 1200hp). Ya, I know, that’s pretty much the pinnacle, but you also have to think of the HP almost In the context of Law of Diminishing returns.
Rear third spring is nice. Is there one on the front?
I would pay to watch that car attempt the Mt.Washington hillclimb
Its a work of art
i watched the build series on this engine, on matts YT. good seeing it finished, even tho its been done for a while :)
Ur awesome Larry
Wow. Just wow.
Best sound ever
"You are crazy!"
"Yes Definitely"
hahaha
Love it 👌🏽
Name of outro song 48:17?
Maybe I missed it, but I'm wondering what the throttle body looking device is on top of the engine that connects to the cold-side intercooler pipe?
did he say he's from naptown, woot woot gasoline alley!!
Looks like Wataru went pro!
The Halo design actually looks so much better on this than F1, we can see again the head of the drivers properly.
i need to see on drag test off this sleeper engine
God it’s sounds so damn good
Ребята подскажите а что это за такие полоски в районе передних колес, это чтоб отсекать поток воздуха, выглядят как ножи?
What is the Tercel build he referenced
That project sounds interesting, but can't find video
How does this 4cyl engine sound sound good??
4A-GE’s are arguably the best sounding 4 bangers
The exhaust works is incredibe😊
Is there going to be a follow up video of what happened ?
The live stream mentioned two engine failures , the car didn't make the first check point on the final day run ?
There have been a few people asking on the YT video series of the engine build and on FB but there has yet been no replies as to what happened .
The videos from niko and myself are coming there was 2 weeks worth footage to edit and niko has been working hard since we got back editing when he can as it's not his full time job
Saw this thumbnail and had to click just for the sounds
Amazing car!! So refreshing to see something other than a Skyline. 😑
So you can make over 150hp with a 4age.
This guy just wants everyone to know "the 4ag is well packaged"
The motor is closer to what TRD used in the GTP cars back in the day.
where was this filmed at? he makes colorado references but says Kansas?
5 adjusters on each shock, that is shocking
Enjoyed that. Very interesting. Nice work 👍🏻
What if Takumi went turbo. Nice.
this is kinda close to those turbo era f1 cars like the m10 with 1200 whp. this is like as close ive seen in modern times
How much money do you have in Tridairs?