How accurate is an AK47 - Kalashnikov? | Russia v. China v. Bulgaria v. Romania v. Israel v. Czech
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This is the Super Bowl of accuracy tests for the AK47 - AKM - AK74 - Kalashnikov type rifles (and a visiting Vz58). We put 10 rifles (9x Kalashnikov, 1x Vz58) against each other to see how the do. Which one will come up top? How does "Combat Accuracy" play into this topic?
Rifles examined:
1, Arsenal AD SLR107 (Bulgaria) - 7.62x39
2, Norinco Pre-ban Type 56 (China) - 7.62x39
3, IWI Galil 32/Ace (Israel) - 7.62x39
4, Cugir WASR 10 (Romania) - 7.62x39
5, Arsenal AD AKs74u SLR104UR (Bulgaria) - 5.45x39
6, Izhmash AK102 / Niner (Russia) - 5.56x45
7, Vz58 (Czech Republic/ Czechoslovakia) - 7.62x39
8, Arsenal AD AKs74 / SLR104FR (Bulgaria) - 5.45x39
9, Izhmash AK103 (Russia) - 7.62x39
10, Izhmash AK74 (M) (Russia) - 5.45x39
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All rifles shown are either purchased by us or on loan. The RS mounts were functional blems that we used. It was our own ammunition that we purchased at full price. I forgot to put that in the video.
The AK is one of the most prolific designs in the world and it would be difficult to gather ALL VARIANTS at once, but these were fairly representative. Will be using this as a baseline to compare future AK videos to, however. Here are some variants that we foresee people asking about:
YugoAK... we have one being built right now, but it's not factory anyways.
Finnish RK95... we *may* have access to a clone?
Valmet RK62... Ah, I see you think I use $100 bills to wipe, when we get one to look at we'll reference this video as well.
Hungarian FEG Kalash ... I personally feel like I missed the boat on that one, but to be honest I was focused on buying other models instead. Perhaps one day, I do think the AMD63's are very interesting.
Check out Klay's Galil Ace: th-cam.com/video/oizlnuDHzcU/w-d-xo.html
*EDIT*
I realize that some viewers think that the Saiga line rifles somehow have a worse barrel than military rifles because a separate civilian production line exists like what FN does with their FN-15. That's untrue. My friends from Izhmash they implicitly state that it's form the same barrel source. One stipulation: yes, the chamber for the civilian saigas are different with the crimped neck for Russian law enforcement to recognize the casing that it was fired from a civilian weapon. (which none of these have the civilian barrel identifier crimp, so these are military line rifle barrels). Otherwise it would make no sense for a facility like KC/Izhmash to purchase blanks when their machines are setup to forge them for cheaper. They have a really high end former state-owned arsenal to manufacture ultra high quantities of good barrels for cheap. They are all AK100 series with the signature lightening cuts, CH profile, non-ribbed piston, bump rivet and bolt design. Again, my information is from Izhevsk/ Izhmash directly.
You need to do same test on ars 20" to 10" barrels out to 500yrds
@SLR95LHMB Nice, 3 shot group. Now do 9 shot group like in this video :)
Both top2 rifles were milled, just saying.
Vz and galil
that 7.62 and 5.45 looks like vympel with purple lacquer.
No one was wearing track suits in this video, causing me to question the validity of the results.
There was some squatting. Which helps compensate for that fact.
Very few pelmeni on show. Highly suspicious.
@@willwallacetree He didn't show his freezer? Or do I need to rewatch?
*Vlad-ity
Thus they were not Spetznaz "Athletes"
Awesome video!
I was highly surprised by the results. If i had to bet, i would go with .223 or 5.45 as the winner of this match.
We are also coming up with an interesting video series that will hopefully compliment your video.
Essentially we will try to "accurize" an AK rifle through testing and comparison of different parts and modifications
PS: we can get you stuff to upgrade your Vz58...
@@PolenarTactical ambi safety?
@@PolenarTactical Is there any rail/red-dot mount that replaces the rear sight? I saw one once, but it was quite tall.
Also, can you throw in an AKB-521 into any accuracy evaluation video, it would be freaking great. So little information about the latest update on the platform.
Cant wait to see it ! Love your channel and content too! God bless!
Props to the Type 56 for performing so well with irons
Yeah, I don't know why they didn't install a master mount rail on the side, so it would have had a scope also. It's something that wouldn't have been a permanent change and could have been taken back off. It's not really a good test when you're not comparing apples to apples.
I have a Chinese type 56 and its very accurate. It amazes me how accurate it is.
Nice,how much did it cost?
The one time China doesn’t make crap
@@tullo5564 500 to 600 but I think you can get it even less expensive
800.00 from my bro plus 500 rnds of steel core ammo..NIB🎉
Damn the chinese ak shot a sub 3" group with irons? That's actually pretty incredible. Makes me glad I snatched up a polytech ak way back in the day
Norinco guns have a surprisingly high standard.
@@sarchlalaith8836 But norinco only, the rest is kind of hit or miss. norinco generally seems to be the star in chinese weapon manufacturing.
Back in days in army i could do 5 shots group with rk-62 about 2 inch/5cm group with iron sights to 150 meters.
maybe i got good not beated to death example but that rifle shot damn accurately.
One buddy actually betted that he can broke that target standing stick with 10 shots.
If not he will run around that range to 3 laps.
He needed only 7 shots before that target board fell to ground.
But what was mentioned in video ammo could had somehting to do with those groups and barnaul
is not known to be extreme accurate.
I dont remember surely but i will guess what army used was loaded by lapua.
@@davids3282 Polytech made great rifles too, what I’ve been told polytech was more of the high end Chinese AKs with the legends and such. My polytech has a couple thousand rounds through it and it still looks brand new
@@sarchlalaith8836 I wonder if that's still the case. While in the US the Norincos are all old pre-ban rifles, there's new production ones on offer here in Europe sometimes.
U guys are very underrated. Waiting for Polish and Finnish AKs.
Never seen an AK with a polished finish on it. Seen em gold plated tho....
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood he meant AK's from Poland (to be precise in Polish People's Republic)
@@astmatyk5166 woooosh
And east german
Zastava too
I carried a 1972 AKM for 6 years working as a PMC in Africa. Fantastic weapon. Had a side mounted Russian optic on it for two weeks until it was removed by a round fired at me. Ran it with iron sights after that. Worked well 😊
You worked the whole continent or an actually country?
@@nomad155He might not want to reveal which country…
@@QualityPen then their water men's is as useful as an anecdote
@@nomad155 Yeah, the whole thing is an anecdote - whether or not he tells you in which country or continent he worked.
@@nomad155watermen's ?
No Zastava or Valmet means this hasn't even scratched the surface. Still, tremendous job!
I compared my o-pap m70 to a galil ace 7.62x39, don’t worry I have the results... @ 100yards. Galil out shoots it by a milestone.
not sure about the zastava, but if what i hear about the valmet fit and finish is correct, it probably would have been up there with the galil and the vz
@@tonytobias905 Well for it to make more sense the new Z pap m70 should be compared, its an upgrade to the O pap so of course the galil will be significantly better
@@tonytobias905 "by a milestone".... Care to elaborate on that?
Whilst I too would have liked to see them if we are playing AK bingo there are a few missing ……….…….also not on the list are Automatiku Shqiptar 1978 model 56 ,ASH-78 Tip-1,Tipi 1982 model (ASH-82), model 56 Tip-2, model 56 Tip-3 from Albania; FARA 83 from Argentina; Khazri from Azerbaijan; AKK/AKKS, AKKMS, AKMS, AKKN-47, AK-47M1, AKS-47M1and AKS-47S and BD-08 from Bangladesh: Cambodian Type 56s, Ak47s and AKMs. APS-95 from Croatia: Cubian AKMs: MPi-K/MPi-KS, MPi-KM, MPi-KMS-72, MPi-KMS-K, MPi-AK-74N, MPi-AKS-74N, MPi-AKS-74NK, from East Germany; Misr and Maddi from Egypt; Et-97/1 from Ethiopia; AK-55, AKM-63, AMD-65M, AK-63F/D, NGM-81 from Hungary; Trichy, AK-7 and Indo-Russia Rifles, AK-203 from India; KLS/KLF and KLT from Iran; Tabuk Assault Rifles from Iraq; Bernardelli VB-STD/VB-SR from Italy; OBJ-006 from Nigeria; Type 58A/B, Type 68A/B, Type 88 from North Korea; PK-10 from Pakistan; pmK, pmKS, kbkg wz, skbk wz, kbk wz, PM md. 63/65 from Poland. Vektor R4 andTruvelo Raptor from South Afica; MAZ from Sudan; AKM-1, AKM-VN, from Vietnam; AK-103 from Venezuela and lets not forget US132 rifle and US132Z assault rifle from Kalashnikov USA. Sure I’ve missed a ton as well. Every time someone brings up one someone else will bring up another of these, most of which are not and will not be available in the USA thus can’t be done. I’m sure you will agree ten is enough for the conclusion as stated
Your lawyer is James from TFBTV isn't it.
That or the LPL
It might be Matt from Fudd Busters
As a German, I real admire your precise testing!
Sure, there is a point or two that can be made, but far superior than (if not) anything I have watched so far 🙏
I don't know if the test was accurate. Did he measure the exact amount of Communist Revolutionary Zeal put into each shot ?
@@scratchy996 To be fair most if not all AR platform rifle accuracy tests don´t take the capitalistic propaganda washed smoothbrain believes into account either so it doesn´t really matter~
and you being german is relevant to this because...?
@@user-kg7zr3yl3n Because germans are said to be perfectionists. Precision, high production standards and being nit picky is basicly in the DNA. So him adding that he is german is meant as a compliment, since he knows how precise testing has to look like.
@@Fischbroetchen2kThat, and they throw in being German when ever they can !
As a WASR-10 owner, after the shorty I kept waiting for it to be next, I was pretty impressed with a #7 finish for it. I love my WASR. I bought it in 2005, the first round didn't eject (cosmoline?), I pulled the mag, kicked the bolt open with my boot, loaded up, and this many years later it has never again failed. Definitely not refined, but I can hit with it and it goes boom.
I have 1984 model
My experience with the AK platform? Well, in 1987 I shot 10 rounds out of an AK-47. I was a soviet school boy and we had a discipline called "basic military training". That's where every soviet boy and girl learned how to field-strip an AK.
In 1988, being a Soviet army soldier, I fired another 6 rounds. And that's it ☺️Engineering troops, baby ) Basically I was a construction worker )
I'm fifty now and last time I touched an AK was winter of 1988. But give me one today and I'll disassemble and assemble it back, no problem )
In 1980 i was a high school cadet, shot 100 rds 762x51 out of a fn fal(l1a1) in 1984 as a panzergrenadier in the bundeswehr doing my national service i shot over 10,000 rounds of 7.62x51 through an MG3 facing millions of wasaw pact troops in Germany..
It’s amazing that this might be the largest comparison of AK platforms accuracy on TH-cam and there’s still nations left out (like Yugoslavia)
Also polish and milled Bulgarians.
Or East Germany, i heard those guys make good stuff (especially scopes)
Countries that no longer exist dont get a vote. Unless youre a democrat.
@@Mr.Ut21 man you boomers always have to bring up politics huh, just cant help yourself
@@Mr.Ut21 uhh what? I mean, ak's itself originate from a dead country. Also why bring up a US political party in an ak vid, its literally one of the most non-us guns
Great video! I’d love to see follow up videos doing the same thing for M16 variants and another for Cold War era battle rifles like the G3, FAL and M14 and even one comparing WWII combat rifles like the M1 Garand, M1 carbine, K98k No 4 Mk1, etc. I think people would be surprised by the results.
The only surprise for me was I was amazed how well you did with 7.62x39 at 400-500 yards, even with a budget AKM like a WASR-10. I’ve seen plenty of Soldiers struggle to hit 300 meters target with M16A2 in the Army. Impressive marksmanship.
He is a sniper. Not regularly soldier.
we need another comparison now for bolt guns, enfields, mausers, mosins, springfields
I agree but would like to see the m1 garand thrown in just for the hell of it.
Also the Carcano, Arisaka, Lebel 1886, and MAS 36 would be cool to see,and I'd also throw it Winchester 1895 lever action rifle since it was used by the Russians in WW1 and WW2
We already know the answer for mosins tho
@@ivyssauro123 There are some Mosins out there that can print some decent groups. I have a Tula manufactured Mosin made in 33 and it shoots pretty well. My rifle is in good shape with strong rifling though...there are definitely plenty of them out there that shoot like garbage
@@AnarchAngel1 Yeah in general they're worn off, damaged and the sights are always bad. But the finnish ones for instance tend to be more high quality with better sights and finish(lol). But as a rule of thumb Kar98s will ve better every time.
Brendon Herrera sure does have his lotion and tissues ready for this vid! xD
ikr. Lol
He went soft when the two Not-AKs won. He also denies the VZ-58 is better than the AK-47, too.
@@danielhenderson8316 thats allright, everyone has their god-given right to be horrifically, absolutely and utterly wrong :-)
Who?
@@gojiraforbreakfast the Ak guy
How accurate is an AK?...
Sufficient for the engagement ranges its designed for.
For engagement of a full, man size target, at known range, in an open field, standing still, in broad daylight, when fired from a rest/bench, by an amazing marksman, with an audible spotter walking the first few rounds in, yes indeed!
But... We must also assume that the target really does not want to be shot, and will take steps to quickly get behind cover. And then there's that whole shooting back at us thing. Sorry... Former Infantry here. Rested bench shooting has almost nothing 8n common with fluid battle. It is great for sighting in, and comparing one unit against another. I think he did a great job and he is a gifted marksman.
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@@bobsmoot2392 my takeaway from what you've said is that an AK in competent hands is just as good as an AR-style rifle (M-16 or M-4), and both are useless in incompetent, untrained hands.
@@artemis_smith
Dirty little secret:. The AK-47 didn't survive it's first major conflict (Vietnam).
The Soviets dropped is and went to the AK-74 in 1974.
But that was more about cartridge than rifle design.
The 5.56 & 5.45X39 are vastly superior to the 7.62X39 in virtually every way.
More accurate (much), twice the effective range (300 vs 500), lighter by far, superior terminal ballistics, and... less recoil for better control and quicker follow up shots.
Vietnam ended in 1975.
Soviets basically dumped the 47s on anybody who claimed to hate Americans.
They are still using the 5.45X39 today. Why?
It's way better.
Really would’ve liked to seen the new 103 from PSA/ or GF5 and the new m70 zpap in this test. Would’ve been cool to see how an American AK stacked up in the accuracy department.
I've got the Zpap, it's nothing ground breaking in the accuracy department. Although I've only shot it with Tula, it would be middle of the pack in this test. The trigger sucks, smooth but long take up with no "wall" before it breaks.
I'm curious to know if y'all will compare the foreign rifles against domestically produced AK variants. Great vid.
I’m not a youtuber... not a social media personality BUT I do shoot a lot of AKs. I’ve collected 7.62 variants almost exclusively for 20yrs. This isn’t gospel just what I’ve experienced.
PSA had a bit of magic juju with their FN barrel but the rest of their quality isn’t necessarily the most desirable compared to imports. YMMV and beware the psa mafia that will come screeching for this comment alone.
I find most other domestic builds usually have the CHF nitride barrel. Maybe they have quality import parts kits but without original barrels. I currently only own 2 in this category but I’ve tried everything. Atlantic kit builds to Riley defense... both are avg for Ak accuracy. However quality is not.
Quality is sadly your avg American reverse engineered “affordable” approach for full house domestic builds. I prefer options that use parts kits (like Atlantic) for their import internals. I avoid full domestic builds like the plague while imports are on the market.
I’ve dished out some coin for AKs over the years. I got a meridian defense... glorified romy kit. Nothing special an import can’t be tuned to when it comes to throwing money at it. Looks bitchin but I found other “boutique” builds to be just about the same. I have a Rifle dynamics tuned 107FR. I’d expect the same quality from their full house builds but I believe they use that same CHF nitride barrel. I don’t own one but even for the price tags of those two... it’s really just avg AK performance. Reliable Ak accuracy.
I’ve not gotten my hands on the KUSA yet. Maybe never will. I’m not trying hard to be honest
Maybe my time and experience with AKs for all these years I just don’t find anything particularly special about them anymore. They all behave the way they’re supposed within the limits of the caliber. Some will last longer than I can ever imagine and I’ve broken more home brews than I care to remember. I want them to do great and I love the fact more people are getting into AKs but their is a learning curve to the caliber... and most my fellow Americans have proven to be learning disabled
@@hailtothe_rooster1572 you got any accuracy numbers for these rifles you've tested?
@@hailtothe_rooster1572 I too, am learning disabled (american). I love my cugir, and slr107fr. I trust the romy better simply because I have more time behind it. The slr107 looks mo betta though.
@@hailtothe_rooster1572 You know what actually bothers me about American made AKs, is that while we do seem to regularly fuck up the stamping, we have endless experience with milling on CNC machines. Milling also negates the economies of scale argument used to explain our failed stamped rifles. Why we aren't pumping out (good) milled AKs by the truckload is a mystery to me.
I've worked in manufacturing, so I'm not TOTALLY clueless as to how this works in the same way as like how a lot of people seem to greatly oversimplify the issues based on their total ignorance.
@@KI.765 I think they are shooting for a price point, and the corner of the market that Riley/Century/PSA is going for doesn't strike me as super discerning. Honestly that explains a lot of the dumber decisions like casting trunnions. I think PSA has come a long way from everything I can tell though (74 still needs work though) and the KUSA 103 seems decent by early accounts.
The gold standard for the rifle comparison test! The data, the quality, the presentation, the humor is on point!
Commenting before watching: They're all minute of enemy easily.
Czech Loyalty
Edit: Took 2nd place on acuarcy. Good job VZ58
SHORT STROKE ALWAYS BETTER
First in 100% grouping. And second in 80% by only 1.5 mm.
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS the Vz.58 isn’t an ak
I knew the Vz.58 would be a performer, but I didn't expect it to take the silver! And I'm not the least bit surprised that that Galil "aced" it.
*Note:* The Vz.58 is also available in 5.56.
Happy for the vz.58 being 2nd! Love that rifle over AK.
I think it's interesting that the 103 proved the best of the unmodified AK's. The Niner was a bit of a shock to me. I honestly expected the VZ to be first, with the ACE second, and the 103 third. Looks like I need to take a look at the Ace! Thank you for the work you're doing on this!
There is a rumor that a really big amount of 103s was created in Russia for Venezuela's army. And that's why 103s had much better quality check than other AK-s produced at the same time in Russia. But the contract was finally rejected. And that rifles were converted (in many ways including only blank-firing modification) to sale them on the civilian market.
Gents, this was an excellent video. I’ve been shooting AKs of various variants since 1989 and your experiences mirror those I have seen. The Rk62, Rk92, and Rk95 fed Finnish ammo are the ones to beat for accuracy, but are also extremely heavy. Galil SAR is my favorite for handling I think, outside of custom jobs, followed by AKS-74.
14:46 Me, a Romanian: Here it comes...
I asked a Romanian friend which AK I should get and he told me „Any but not the Romanian“
@@GunWodan Romanian AKs are generally speaking not that bad. Would much rather have a Wasr than a playdoh trunnion special a lot of US manufacturers were doling out.
@@GunWodan Romanian AKs work. There's nothing wrong with them.
@@GunWodan Romanian AK's are pretty great actually. Century imported WASR rifles are a terrible example of them though.
@@MrOystaCatz My SAR-2 performs similar to the SLR104
I noticed that before, but only now I noticed it clearly that you signed most of you AK mags with your name spelled in Russian.
Henry Chan = Генри Чан thus Г. Чан.
Neat small detail. Awesome review and ranking.
I couldn't tell that was Cyrillic on my phone.
or Т. Чан "Товарищ Чан"
@@richardpashos Or that. Couldn't really tell if it's a Т or a Г. But that was my theory. I wonder if Henry can jump in to elaborate or he already did sometime ago in previous videos because I saw that markings in earlier episode ofc. Somebody must have asked.
@@StrangerOman
Must be a T. If it really was 'Henry' phonetically written in cyrillic, the first letter would be X.
@@DinnerForkTongue
Not really. Henry in Russian translates into Генри. For a quick example, take name Henry that is used as SI derived unit of electrical inductance. In Russian this measurement called Гн (Генри) and in English H (Henry).
Tho if I were to have a chat with someone named Henry I would use the English pronouncement that would roughly translate into Хенри and not force Russian adaptation of this name. ;)
Definitely enjoyed the results. Wasn't particularly surprised by the Galil and vz58 taking the top spots, but I wonder how much the groups would be improved with match ammo. My Mk12 clone (different platform, obviously, but principle remains the same) is very particular about what ammo it uses, with IMI and PMC match giving comparable accuracy to M193 ball, but Hornady and S&B match giving groups about 1/3 the size. Obviously, they're still not target rifles, and 2-3" at 100 is still plenty good enough for their purpose.
You should also get a Finnish Valmet AK to test, they're really accurate. The normal range for practice shooting is in the Finnish military is 150 m and it's not uncommon to get a 2 inch group at that range, with Lapua 123 gr ball.
Yes - because Lapua ball is far superior to Barnaul ammo.
I lucked out with my WASR-10, somebody in the factory was actually competent enough to put it together properly.
Had mine 12 years over 5k thru it 0 issues. I love it. Shoots around 3 moa.
If your WASR 10 was made in romania it was more then likely put together correctly.
Me too
@@kdcustoms1272 lmfao same. Bought mine for less than 500 at the time. It's canted as all hell but still works fine. The only thing that's ever broken or malfunctioned on it was the gen 1 kns piston I put in it. Many matches under it's belt
@@Chiefshadow4 it is factory built with the standard mag well, not the 10 round mag well that century used to cut to fit double stack mags. Cugir never really cared for QC on the 10 round single stack guns. And most were built from rejected parts or parts kits.
Guess I better take notes on this.. For research purposes :)
Oh hey there!
I loved my Vz2008 from Century. Lightweight, ergonomic, compact folding stock, good trigger and clean straight sights. but being that light weight, with a super slim metal stock, and in 762 x 39, I definitely noticed a difference in staying on target for follow up shots. Even at 50 m from standing, a hammered pair was probably twice as slow as with a 16” AR carbine. Never grouped it beyond 5 shots at 75 yards before I sold it unfortunately. They were smaller than my fist for sure. Would’ve been curious.
Just anecdotal, I never had any problems with it, but I only fired about 250 rds probably, and I got it used with an unknown record.
I'm just your basic rifleman learning the AK's manipulation, shootin-n-scootin and combat accuracy drills.
Your channel is the one I go to for "regular guy data" shooting off your rucksack on your belly, great vid guys!
Damn, *_Sa vz. 58_* missed it only by *_0.06_* inches in the *_80%_* grouping.
That's a pretty good result for a gun that never got any serious upgrade throughout its service.
Not even a rotating bolt gun, which also busted some myths...
Czech have a long experience in gun manufacturing. They are so proud of that they have maintain their home production during the USSR era beside pressures. Lot of awesome engineers there. Vz52, Cz-75, Skorpion, Skorpion Evo, ...
Is it saying something that both galil and vz are milled not stamped?
@@snipecox2153 In fact thats not the problem. For exemple, the SIG-550 has a rotating bolt and this rifle is capable of tighter groups
@@azypk how's that got to do with the receiver being stamped or milled?
Nice comparison! I do wonder why there wasn't a Yugoslavian AK in this test, though. Kinda curious to see how an Npap or Zpap would have fared.
I have a Npap that will compete easily with that, with 123 grain wolf.
my thoughts as well. I wanted to see some Zastavas. Valmets would have been welcome also.
I know right? No love for the Yugo??? Common man!
If I were to guess, the Zpap or Npap would definitely be near the top of the ranking for accuracy.
From a design standpoint, nor much difference to the Chinese. Mix of Type 3 and AKM. Yugo's are my favorite for sure and would easily be right in there.
Love how the VZ58 probably came bone stock out of a crate and was almost as accurate as an "AK" with millions of development behind it.
the Czechs always come correct.
@@sabiti5428 CZ 52 handgun would like a word with you...
@@7hart2good gun
@augustvonmacksen2526 the vz.58 isn’t even an Ak
I was close. Came in second! Czech's make quality stuff 💪🏽
So…the real takeaway here is that the top two performing AK-pattern rifles are considered not to be AKs. Interesting…
RK is an Ak which is about as accurate as these.
Not like Russia and other countries couldn't build really accurate aks but there were no point. As stated in the video; all these rifles are perfectly accurate in 500m range which is the requirement for most militaries for these.
Getting them to be more accurate would be take money and resources noone want to pay
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Can´t say for galil but Vz.58 isn´t even AK pattern rifle with its short stroke recoil, two recoil springs, different magazines and fall down locking block. It´s much more similiar to G43 than AK.
Galil is ak lol
@@jakubschneer5189 The Galil is an AK. The Israelis made the Galil with the thought that they can just "re-acquire" mags and ammo from the Arabs they defeated
At 2:24 that was almost half of our whole Army in that frame..
I must have seen you at the Prague palace in a smart blue uniform then :)
Damn, that's so true.
I still can't forget about that one Škoda Fabia, which disabled "all" our APCs 😂 *_(true story btw)_*
😂
@@BloPsy__ haha what? I have to hear abput this skoda
@@sarchlalaith8836 Yeah I am not kidding - a female driver panicked and slammed the brakes. There were 5 Pandur APCs behind her and they all crashed into each other. 4 of the Pandurs were out for repairs for like 2-3 years? :))
I wish it was a joke, but sometimes you just can't make things like this up 😂
I am surprised by the Info and research you guys have done. I have never seen such a detailed Vid. about Ak Rifles, but I wanted to see it someday, now I am here, and I'm happy. Thank you
My pre finish guess is VZ, who's with me?
Great video as always ! Thanks for all the work.
you alive!
Holy shit, blast from the past, I remember watching you as a teen and being sad when you decided to move on from airsoft!
Hope you been good man and thanks again for all those years of airsoft reviews! I still remember that old tiger towel background haha
Awesome video! I could hear my AK homies gnashing their teeth when the 2 unloved finished on top.
Nah, the Izmash already beat once the vz.58
Well the vz is just straight up not an ak and as for the galil, I don't see why they're "unloved", everyone likes them. Just not worth the price to performance IMHO esp with crazy people buying them for $4k on gunjoker.
Ost saying something that both are milled ?
@@rodiculous9464 Im way more annoyed than I should be at the vz 58 being included with aks with no notice whatsoever that the vz had literally nothing in common with the AK's operating mechanism and other than ammo and similar looking furniture has nothing in common
@@rodiculous9464 Ok, there's a split among the AK community which is politically biased. I'm myself not a fan of Galil, Valmet or other AK platforms from "western" countries.
In my “younger” years I have shot a Chinese Norinco MAK90 with a milled receiver at 100 yds with China Sports steel core ammo at a 1 MOA. Although I couldn’t replicate these results I wanted to give my experience at a single result with a $225 rifle!
Thank you for such a great video!
I personally liked the little pose you did at the top of the stairs with each one
Really sent it with that
"Which one shall come up top, go ahead and comment bellow right now to see if you're right.."
VZ58
Agreed
They don't have it here but Finland would have won.
@@android61242 the rk62 front sight post is pretty thick, kinda hard to shoot at longer distances. Though you can switch out the front post assembly with a galil arm one and get a bit of a nicer sight picture with an adjustable post to boot.
Both vz and galil were onlyilled rifles lol
vz. 58 is not AK
Really appreciate you guys putting this together. I'm sure it took a lot of time and effort.
Would love to see a milled only version of this video. Sam7r, sam5, milled mak90, valmet, etc
I am really surprised you took the old VZ58 and not the modern variant. You could get much better performance and the amount of accesories is big.
Best intro so far! Wish there was a yugo in the mix!
Wasr 10: Oh hey Century might have actually done a decent jo- oh wait no they didn't...
Nice touch with the outro change for this vid. Don't ever stop being awesome guys!
Well century didn't make it...
@@zip1233 yeah, I went to correct it and yt ate my edit
@@Ihasanart how do you figure? The video showed it performing strongly in the middle of the pack.
@@zubdub2506 Poor overall build quality and missing parts.
@@ReverendMeat51 mag well smoothed out, newer triggers are quite good, and shepherd's hook should be replaced anyway (though mine was fine). I just need the sights to be straight
Bit surprised y’all didn’t have zpapm70 and a Polish rifle to test. Still a great video tho! Go Galil Ace!
One of your best posts so far. I run a 2019 UK spec Romanian WS-1 (WASR) which is straight pull in 7.62x39, accuracy with mil spec ammo is the same as you note here but it is capable of 1.5 MOA with reloads using decent 124g projectiles and RS powder and of course when all the planets align! Dont get me wrong, it took a long time to work that up but to be honest, its as much fun putting down the milspec ammo and it wasn't designed to be a target gun :) love it. Keep up the good work.
Outstanding video!! Thank you very much for all the hard work in making the video. It's great to see a showdown of the "real" AK's! The AKM is in my opinion one of the greatest all-time weapon platforms. I would love to see you do a very similar video using the USA manufactured AK's.
I especially appreciate the comparisons of group size over targets at combat distances. I once worked customer service for a firearms manufacturer that made "combat accurate rifles" that got complaints from owners of our riflrs saying that they weren't accurate because they shot 3 inch groups at a 100 yards 🙄. I had to constantly explain that they weren't target or bench rest guns....
not to mention the cold reality that most shooters are 10 MOA shooters when shooting without a bench / bags / bipod.
Combat accuracy depends so much on the shooter and conditions so you can't fairly use it to compare rifles, it's used mostly by gun writers as a crutch to justify guns that don't shoot as accurate as others. If you want to know which gun has the best accuracy you have to take out the human element as much as possible to have valid results. Not to mention ammunition, but it's fair to use the most common issued ammunition when comparing military weapons otherwise you get cherry picked results.
@@CCW1911 You're kind of missing the point entirely with that stupid rant. Combat accurate means it can hit a torso on first shot at 400 yards or so, which is often the longest viable engagement range with many of this intermediate cartridge (if you really intend to take your target out after shooting, which you should since you're likely giving away your position and starting confrontation). Yes, mechanical accuracy is important, but the remark wasn't about mechanical accuracy, but about a very real and relevant parameter to determine that a rifle is viable for combat; More accuracy can be good, sure, but not always that important, which is what the second half of the video was about.
@@lucastonoli3256 exactly. 4 MOA has long been the standard for combat accuracy, for good reason. Once upon a time a 1MOA rifle was special. Nowadays people have unwittingly fallen into the trap of thinking that 1 MOA is where accuracy begins and it’s simply not true. The average shooter cannot put 10 out of 10 rounds into a pie plate at 100 yards from standing, on a calm day on a quiet flat range. Any rifle with any ammo can do that. Add combat to the mix and even that level of accuracy goes out the window.
@@lucastonoli3256 more accuracy can actually reduce hit probability as it doesn't matter of you are shooting 0.1 MOA groupa if your sights are of target. Lower accuracy compensate the aimi g errors by spreading the shots around
I wish you had also reviewed the Serb version... the Zastava M70
edit: reading the comments I guessed I'm far from being the only one who would have wanted that!
so we have one being built (Original kit, orig barrel from the 70's and in great condition), but it's not a factory build :/ I know, perhaps later
I would love to see a follow up to this video strictly using American made AK's in all the calibers as well as chrome lined vs nitrided barrels.
Awesome video!
Outstanding video Henry.
Not full of over-excited tones, not over filled with "pew, pew, bang, bang" sound through the video. In stead, some funny "80s TV game show" music, some concise or humor comments. Thank you guys for such a great production.
That disclaimer was very genuine. It had me in tears
It would've been nice to have the Finnish rk on this list since you had the galil too
I was hoping for that too.
And polish
And Serbian
And North Korean
And Romanian
And Iraqi
And all the other AKs, but they picked what they picked and that's good enough))
First i wanted to vote for vz 58 but because it wasn't an option i voted for galil. Galil ended up first and vz second. I'm proud of myself :)
I would have voted for the Galil ACE except my beloved slr104fr did so much worse than I expected that I was spooked.
Remember vz don't have scope
The VZ 58 is NOT an AK. It uses a tilting bolt like the FN FAL not a rotating bolt like the Garand and AK. You should have gone for the Mini-14.
@@elingeniero9117 I,m sorry but who are you telling this to? Everybody here already knows that :) plus it was said in the video :)
@@elingeniero9117 it doesn't use a tilting bolt at all lol it's a locking block system
Very entertaining, I always enjoy your videos.
I love that you use run of the mill ammo, not some elite match stuff.
I got an SAR almost 20 years ago because I wanted to be able to shoot garbage through it and not have to worry that it would stop going bang. Back then 20 rounds of 7.62x39 cost me $1.89!
Keep up the good work!
Hands down, best informative kalash video! Well done and thank you.
Fantastic video! It’s hard to eliminate certain forms of user bias like the shooter improving from the first rifle to subsequent rifles throughout the day, peaking, then showing error for fatigue. You all did as well as anyone could, I think.
as a finn it is my duty to ask, why there is not a valmet rifle in there but for real, very good job with the channel and all, love the content.
we just don't 'have one on hand but hope to borrow one at some point
Those Valmets are getting pretty rare/pricey over here! I would expect it to perform much like the Galil unless you cheat and use a 556.
The galil is basically a newer valmet
awesome. Especially like the practical way of showing what groupings look like on torso targets for different ranges. very informative.
I've always been a Galil fan, and this video made me smile.
@John Beige all hail the Israeli AK.
I'd say the Czech. Its a beatiful design. I like Ian's video about it. :D
What great data driven, scholarly assessment. Thank you!
I'd love to see a yugo thrown in the mix just to see how it does
A Yugo? Pretty sure that's the most unreliable car ever made!
Seeing the Vz.58 and Galil ACE performances I can imagine how well would the Type-81 and Velmet perform, and I'm also curious about the AK-12 and AKB-512, which are the Galil ACE current competitors.
AK-12 is more accurate than the ACE since it pulls 1.96MOA (50cm). You can see the latest kalashnikov concern video in which they show a fire test.
Vz58 It will remain my favorite 😚❤️
US and Yugo made variants would be a nice addition! ZPAP M70 and KR-103 are the two I have been eyeing.
Buy an AR instead...steer clear of Zastava
@@AnarchAngel1 I'm more of a "buy an AR also" type of guy.
I like the old Zastava imports and parts kits, but haven't put hands the new ones. They look good on paper though.
@@TheMetalheadHomestead Yeah they look good and the old "Yugos" were good but the newer Zastava rifles are very hit and miss in my experience when it comes to quality control. I've seen several go down hard in the process of completing a simple 3 day course. They look pretty but I don't trust their QC...their heat treatment is just not good anymore and the furniture on their rifles is hot garbage
Absolutely wonderful video as always, thank you for all of the work and time that was put into it!
I hear in order to get the best groups an AK is the most accurate when sitting in a Vietnamese bush, or executing political dissidents.
oooffffff
Man o Man this was the most informative and well presented video that I’ve seen to date.
Being a Romanian GP WASR 10 AKMN owner since 2004 it place respectfully in your testing. Now if i can only find some Barnaul 123 Gr FMJ , thanks againg 😉
Check GB , 40 cents a round just got some! Its good ammo too!
Thank you very much for that ammunition tip 😉
This is probably the best AK video out there that I have ever saw. I like direct approach without the bias opinion from the shooter, gun owner or gun sales person. I had no idea that WASR was that good. I should have bought two of them for the cost of my Arsenal . As well I should have never got rid of my MAK 90 it was a great shooter. Please don't stop
Love the nerdy attention to detail while still presenting it in an interesting and understandable fashion. Keep up the good work!
The VZ's gonna come out on top. -edit- Close enough!
So a rifle that is NOT an AK is going to win the AK comparison? How bout the Mini-14?
@@elingeniero9117 Did you even watch the video? Mr. Ingeneous.. lol, i can only imagine how you feel right now!
You should have asked Karl for his WZ58 kit. He was really happy with the latest options he used. Something about new AK like claw mounts that give access to a very smoothly fit picatinny rail over the moving dust cover. Looked really slick.
I have issue with using any vz. 58 - it is not an AK at all.
@@randomnobodovsky3692 Have you ever fired one? It's like taking a stolen Ferrari through a mountain pass with a cartel kingpin's girlfriend in the passenger's seat. You'll love every second of it...as long as you don't get caught. I wish my AK's were as smooth handling.
@@anthonycochran6492 Yes, I did. They were dirt cheap (a third of the AK price) where I live - for some time a least.
The vz. 58 does not disappointed. I'm still proud that I'm Czech.
still a trash rifle
The Statement at the end was a realy nice way to say: bullets dont care for your feelings.
I was expecting the Czech rifle to do the best. It got close.
The Czechs have a good reputation for small arms and military equipment in general, since the days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Czechoslovakia was actually the main defense manufacturing center of Nazi Germany, although some the Czechs would sabotage the production line. In some ways, German annexation of Czechoskovakia made the other German conquests possible. This continues through the Soviet era and into today.
Czechnology man, good guns, good cars, great beer, no megalomaniacal urges to try and take over the world.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography
And the females are not bad looking. ; )
And the two most accurate AKs... aren't actually AKs.
Either way, I would like to nominate this for the greatest TH-cam video of all time!
How is the ACE not an AK?
@@dfm5608 Mishaco doesn't consider the Galil to be an AK. He's says it's a few too many steps removed.
@@christopherdolan7330 so you just trust some dudes subjective opinion? I have both and they're different but not that different. Main difference being they removed the traditional rear sight block and instead made it a dovetail that both the gas tube and dust cover slide into. But other than that they are the same design wise
@@christopherdolan7330 What about actually forming your own opinion instead of parroting someone else?
At least the Galil is a copy of the AK's operating mechanism, the vz 58 has nothing in common other than looks, I don't even think the mags r interchangeable
Much love from Bulgaria, love your channel :)
I like what you say about combat accuracy. Ammo is the dominant factor here. In 5.45, there is an east german bolt action "sniper" SSG-82, a Suhl made bolt action with a 4x scope. Delivers only 10cm at 100 meters using Barnaul 7N6 ammo, so I guess an AK can't do better. Reloads using good components result in way better performance, 1 Euro sized groups.
The mighty WASR does it again. Oh wait, wrong channel.
I kinda expected ACE to win, but still... I won't lie to you, it is nice seeing Vz. 58 so high on the list :)
I want the best accuracy that I can get but it is a valid point to say you also need the weapon to continue firing bullets. Every time I see a review of any rifle past or present it reaffirms the fact that I don’t need anything other than an AR, especially mill spec. That being said I will except any weapon ever made for Christmas. Thank you !
Best video yet I think. Good information. Great production values Priceless sense of humour.
3:19 BARNAUL, yeah, my place of birth 🤟no kidding
BTW very very nice video this nice radio ending edit 😆👍
Kinda wish you included the Serbian Zastava M70 as well since theyre being sold readily available from factory to the U.S
Zastavas are very hit and miss when it comes to quality control like most AKs. I have not been impressed by the m70s coming into the US to be honest. They're extremely overgassed, the furniture is absolute garbage and their heat treatment is very iffy
@@AnarchAngel1 Heat treat is fine, the tail of the carrier mushrooms to a point, then stops without causing issues. It's so overblown. The mushrooming is mostly due to the shape of US made hammers which they all have due to 922r, and Zastava are definitely not the only ones who do that on the tail.
@@yuibot5998 I'm not just talking about the bolt carrier. I'm talking about the entire receiver as well, including the trunnions. Push one past about 5k and you'll see what I mean. Honestly I've seen them start to go around 3k in some cases. I've seen them go down hard in the process of completing a 3 day course. If you have confidence in them that's great...I'm just telling you I don't based on what I've seen with my own eyes. People who run their guns hard or have been around Zastavas that are run hard will likely tell you the same thing. The people who think they're fine haven't shot their guns enough to know the difference in most cases
Really well done video with a lot of info on the rifles going beyond the accuracy tests.
Very high quality content
Goddamn this video needed the Finnish Valmet/Sako