When I was a Jehovah's Witness, I remember thinking how us reading magazines every Sunday did not feel like enough and that it was something i could simply do at home. It was not worship. Becoming Catholic made me realize what true worship is
Ex-JW, now a Catholic here as well. It was the Eucharist that made me convert. Like you, the "worship" of the JWs and their subsequent theology was far too surface-layer and empty. Not to mention quite blasphemous when looking into their "Memorial" version of the Last Supper
@@Thedisciplemike Yes! And realizing they changed the scripture to say "this means my body" instead of "this IS my body". It's dishonest on their part
@@marcinraczkowski963 when death comes, after comes the judgement! the soul leaves the body, and the dead await their resurection! They're no longer in this world and can not communicate with the living nor the living with them, so what can they do for you? Only Jesus can do what the dead can't not, even the church, or your religion, acts 4:12! Salvation is about life, eternal life, not about death or the dead, some of which allready reached that promise and have moved on from this world! That's why there is but, one life, one death and after death, one judgement? there is no such thing as pergatory, since that is a catholic delusion invented by who else but a catholic? Catholic idols show a dead Christ, and if you see a (so called) protestant cross, there is no dead Christ on there, but an empty cross signifying a risen Christ! Big difference between death and worshiping death, and worshiping the living Christ?
Requiem Aeternam dona eis, Domine: et Lux Perpetua luceat eis. Libera animas omnium fidelium defunctorum de poenis inferni, et de profundo lacu: sed signifer Sanctus Michael repraesentet eas in lucem sanctam. Amen
Fantastic video!! I'd love to see a follow up video that explains how we laity can better/properly participate in the Sacrifice of the Mass for the good of our souls and intentions.
No, this is the content that brings people who live amongst Protestants to the Catholic Church. Protestant here, I admire the Catholics as they are the first church. But to pretend that Protestants are lost sheep is a silly thought. What about your brothers in Eastern Orthodoxy?
@@brycesakal3717 I was raised Protestant and yes, I was a lost sheep. And the EO are also in schism, and have abandoned some Apostolic truths that are found in the Catholic Church alone. The Filioque for example, which the EO deny, is all over the early Church, and I mean EVERYWHERE.
@@matthewoburke7202 I know. But the EO don’t deny the Filioque for no reason. They have very specific theological arguments against it. That at this time I cannot quite recall. Same with Protestants. They have deep theological disagreements with Catholics it isn’t on a whim. But I stand by my original comment. Protestants and EO are not lost sheep. Nor, in my mind, are Catholics lost sheep or misguided by Protestant standards. I just stand on the side of, if Jesus is the lord of your life and you deeply care for your relationship with God, he will call you to the denomination he sees fit. No one is called to be Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, we are called to be Christ’s followers.
Sometimes it requires research, a good priest, or maturing. I was technically Catholic for the last 10 or 11 years (I’m 26) and didn’t know anything about the faith at all but always claimed it. I was confirmed in May 2024 and learned a whole lot the year prior after I began growing up around 23-24 years old. Sometimes it is hard to understand that some people do not know the faith when I do, but it is important for me, personally, to know I am naturally curious. Others may not be. I wish everyone knew the faith tho and I tend to pray for that more than anything else
This is a clear and excellent presentation of the Mass. Please don’t detract from the overall effect by misspelling appearance, separation, and several other words which could have been rectified by using your spell-checker or a dictionary.
For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations. Everywhere incense and a pure sacrifice are offered to my name. For my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts.
Great video!! Sometimes your videos are over my head, but I found this one perfectly understandable!! There are two topics I'd really like to see you cover. Firstly, this was sort of mentioned in the video, but I'd like more detail explaining why the mass is not re-crucifying Christ but re-offering the same sacrifice (so I have some more ammunition in arguments against anti-Catholics). Secondly, I'd like to know at what point media becomes unacceptable for a Catholic to partake in, for example there are many songs that I'm unsure cross the line in terms of lyrics and I haven't been able to quite figure it out. Or what about a video game or story where a church obviously based on the Catholic Church is the enemy but it's not actually the Catholic Church. I think this would be a topic that would help a lot of people, but it doesn't seem to be a concern for many I have talked to.
The Sacrifice of the Mass was, from my research, one of the most universal beliefs of the Early Church, even more than Infant Baptism. When one would assert the Eucharist, they would always call it a Sacrifice, one specifically offering the Elements to God. Saint Paul even taught this isln 1st Corinthians when comparing the Lord's Supper as our equivalent to the Sacrifice of Idols. It's a subtly powerful argument, and doesn't really have the 'well this one Father didn't, so it's okay' and neither can it really be interpreted in any manner other than the offering of the Transubstantiated elements, unless you want to try Martin Luther's whole crap about 'ERRM ACTUALLY, the Sacrifice is the stuff we put into making the Mass possible, not the Mass itself.' It's ridiculous.
Who is sacrificing? The Eucharist is about His sacrifice. We are not sacrificing anything. Mass is a dead ritual that has no life in it. during the first 3 centuries, mass was not dead. They sang lively songs and danced before God. They prophesied and healed people. It became dead when structure took over and life went out of the church.
@bcalvert321 They didn't do the things you described. Saint Justin Martyr describes the earliest Christians not dancing, but reading the Scriptures, and practicing the Breaking of Bread weekly, which they believed to be a Sacrifice. There's a great video, just search 'ancinet Christian Worship' on TH-cam. In Acts, we see worship is about Breaking the Bread, singing the Psalms and studying the Scriptures and Teachings of the Apostles. And in 1st-2nd Century works outside of the Bible by Early Christians never described 'dancing'. Ultimately, they believed that the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, of which we eat of the New Passover Lamb, that is Christ, not under symbolism, for that would make the Lamb of the Old Testament, of which the Israelites truly are received the benefit of the Passover Sacrifice from, superior that the New Passover. We dine on the New Lamb of God, in the New Exodus Jesus inaugurated, by the new Bread or Heaven, which is taught to be his flesh (see John 6). How else could we participate in this New Exodus, this New Passover Lamb, this New Bread of Heaven, without the Sacrifice of the Mass, presenting Christ's action done once for all, as the Old Passover presented the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt, without making the Old Covenant greater than the New?
@@luxither7354 Saint Justin Martyr was not born until 100 AD. So how is he supposed to know what the earliest did or didn't do? Jews danced and the Apostles danced. Dancing is all throughout the OT. It isn't in any letter it is the churches themselves that prove this. What another fake Catholic video, no thanks. Stuck-up Catholics haven't a clue what at any church in the first century. There were also many Churches within 100 to 200 miles of Jerusalem that were never Catholic. Churches in Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Turkey. Catholic churches were not the only churches around. The churches in Revelation were never Catholic. They were active until Islam came and destroyed them Quit with the Eucharist hoax. Jesus is real and you do not need to find that out. The Holy Spirit comes to churches that believe in Christ. I have seen miracles done. prophecies come to pass and the gifts of the Holy Spirit abound in services. That is how you know Jesus is real. No, I am not a Pentecostal but I know when the Holy Spirit is alive in a church. His gifts never stopped. The Catholics quit believing.
@bec928 if you reject Christ's liturgy and sacrifice of the mass. You're openly rejecting the New Covenant that was started at the last supper. I'll go with the 2000 year old church founded by Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit personally instead of believing men
@@humbirdms2784 That is Catholic mythology. Jesus at the Last Supper said Do this in Remembrance of me. He did not say do this and be saved. They broke the bread and passed the cup to each other. Jesus did not hold the cup or feed them the bread. Jesus is the New Covenant. When anyone accepts Him as Lord and Savior they become a part of His New Covenant. Salvation is not a 3 step process. Being Catholic does not automatically save a person's soul. Without faith the bread and the wine do nothing. Baptism does not get rid of sins. We will always sin, but we are to repent of them. There was no infant baptism in the early church. There were children being baptized after they accepted Jesus as Savior. Infant baptism does not stop sin. It does not get rid of any sin because that infant has not sinned.
Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God. Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine
Are you able to supply the text for Venerable Pius XII's condemnation of the Immolation being the eating of the Elements? Modern scholars will often try and use this argument (Brant Pitre does in his book on the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist). This would be helpful for us laymen who may enter into these discussions, such as myself.
If the Eucharist is merely a Thanksgiving, It is a rather strange and complicated way to say, “Thank you, Lord.” When I want to thank my friend for giving me something, I don’t make a sacrifice to him. Where? In the back yard?
This might be a stupid question, but I was wondering how the sacrifice of the mass relates to concomitance. If both the body and blood of Christ are under each of the forms, then they are never truly separate, and therefore, a mystical separation, and by consequence, a sacrifice doesn’t occur. However, if only one of these elements is under each form, it would cause the different species to be unequally efficacious, as well as violating Catholic dogma. Im unsure how to reconcile these two, and would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you
I am still confused how the symbolic separation that really contains what it signifies can constitute immolation when by concomitance the Body is not separated from the Blood and vice versa, so it seems like no separation actually happens under the signs. Can someone help me understand?
I read an explanation that basically seemed to say that because the consecration of the bread makes the Body present as its direct effect and that the Blood is present due only to the concomitance when the bread is consecrated (and the inverse with the consecration of the wine), the double consecration thereby effects the mystical immolation. Is that correct?
what does separation of body and blood mean? Does it mean that if you just beat a sheep to death with no bleeding and put it on the altar that no sacrifice occurred?
I’ve been thinking about the mass as a sacrifice a bit lately… that Jesus’s one sacrifice is perpetually available to us as a guilt or peace offering without every needing to be re-sacrificed. Protestants think of this as a one and done for all the things they did or will ever do… but it seems Catholics treat it as something we can continually offer as our needs require. Is this what this theology is getting at?
The Holy Eucharist is a presence sacrament, a communion sacrament, and a scarfice sacrament. Teaching of Pope St. John Paul 11. Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
How do we understand a mystical immolation even though the body and blood of Christ is fully present in the bread and the wine? Does this mean we have to take communion in both kinds to feast on both Christ’s body and blood?
At 16:00 the infant Christ is laid down. Is that Christ in the scriptures? If so, that is pretty remarkable, because, if I recall, St. Martin Luther called scriptures the manger in which Christ is laid.
There is the single consecration mentioned for the host, where Christ is present with or without the precious blood. If there is no consecration of the wine/blood, and there is no mystical sacrifice, is the host still a sacrament?
@@carsonianthegreat4672 it is though, God commanded it as worship in the OT. And St Thomas affirms this It satisfies the criteria laid out in the video. Not trying to be antagonistic but that is the truth. I appreciate you trying to answer I have asked before and been told this is done in a sacramental nature not as a sacrifice. But I still feel discontent with this response without better defense/explanation of it tbh
@@carsonianthegreat4672 I saw! As soon as I posted it I thought of the analogy; that it's like "sacrificing" an animal can be to worship a god. Or to feed a family. So intent matters
Although is a good explanation of Catholic theology of the Mass, it appears to fall short in undercuting worship as practiced in a Protestant church (going off the provocative thumbnail). Catholic theology does not limit worship to only the sacrifice of the mass. “When the Church prays, whether the Mass or Liturgy of the Hours, it makes an offering in imitation of Christ. As St. Paul reminds us, “Offer yourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship” (Rom. 12:1). All worship, therefore, has a sacrificial element, whether overt or not. Though sacrifice can be expressed in different ways, worship is participation in the sacrifice of Christ.” - Father David Endres Professor of Church history and historical theology at Mount St. Mary’s Seminary & School of Theology
If my memory serves me st Ignatius spoke only of the bishops of the catholic church having the authority to have a valid sacrament of the Eucharist. So I would say no. This isn't to say God is limited by the church it's possible but based off tradition I've read no.
Hi brother. I'm a college student who converted to Roman Catholicism after studying some theology. How do you respond to the protestant defense of Sola Scriptura which says you don't need the church to determine the canon of the scripture because people in the old testament didn't have the magisterium yet aggreed aupon the scripture?
Simple. Just ask them where scripture in the sola scriptura came from. God didn't magically hand bible down to anyone. Many members of early catholic Church compiled the bible. So if bible was created by the church and bible is considered true, then what is the point in telling that church rules are false. That would make their argument self contradicting
THE JEWS DID NOT AGREE ON SCEIPTURE. That is where this Protestant argument went wrong. There were several groups of Jewish people that disagreed on which books were scripture. You have samartians who broke off pf the Jewish people, you have Pharisees with oral tradition, sadducees who only accept a few books, and Essenes who likely accepted the deuterocanonical books.
20:57 Spelling error at the second instance of the word 'Mediation', misspelled as 'Mediaiton'. 23:45 Sacrament not SacrEment. 28:14, 28:42 Separation not SepEration. Ok I'll stop now, there's more but I don't want to imply that I've negated the very good work you've done.
Can someone clear something up for me? If immolation occours because the body and blood are seperated, then how can we be said to receive the Body and Blood when receiving under one species?
@@trinxty6099 Pretty sure that was answered in the video. He mentions the mystical immolation of Body and Blood (maybe the specific term used was different, I haven't watched the video in a while, but iirc he addressed that).
I learned most of this when I was a child from the Baltimore catechism well before the council. One cannot blame today’s Catholics for a lack of knowledge of either transubstantiation or the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Most Masses ( Novus Ordo Missae) emulate protestant communion services in which the community is celebrated, and people eat bread and drink wine in remembrance of Jesus.
So this is the accommodation in NOVIS ORDO masses were every Tom Dick and Harry are handing out bread and wine under the pretence of it being the consecrated EUCHARIST??
I don't know. Is the word "cognitive dissonance," I feel? I went to high school back in the 1960s, and you remind me of some football guys I knew. One in particular had your type of hair and he was beefy, popular with the girls, and guys looked up to him. I was on the football team but I was out of place, scrawny-thin, a running back. But actually I was bookish. I was not a sports type and only joined the team to impress a girl. Did not exactly get her. I read my way to covert to Catholicism. My years in high school were lonely and I was subject to depressions. Anyway, what I mean is, for my personal experience, you don't have the look of someone who would be interested in religion. But of course that is nonsense for me to say. Throughout my high school I can't recall any student interested in religion (other than a Jehovah's Witness). I'm sorry if I say wrong, but I very much admire your knowledge. God bless you through your life! Good video!
You said that the act of immolation is the separation of the Body and Blood. I am unsure what you mean by this. Don't both the bread and wine both become Body and Blood?
Its a sacramental, not a real, division of body and blood. Just as we dont actually kill Him in every Mass. The substance of the victim is wholly contained under each species.
I just went over with my freshmen class the difference between prayer and worship, and how worship really comes down to sacrifice. Def wasn’t something I learned in Catholic high school so I’m trying to bring it up with my students. This video will help
Is the celebration of mass and eucharist for the forgiveness of sins? So like, a replacement of yom kippur? We no longer have to be Jewish and attend yom kippur with a Jewish high priest in Jerusalem temple and slaughter lambs for the forgiveness of sins. We get the best sacrifice/worship in any mass any place on the planet? It's now made available to every nation, tribe and tongue? If someone rejects the mass, are they not also rejecting the forgiveness that it provides? Matthew 26:27-28 NRSV-CI [27] Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; [28] for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Drink from this cup of my blood for the forgiveness of sins! In the Old Covenant Jews would have to bring an animal for sacrifice to the temple priest to shed blood and cover sins. In the New Covenant Jesus is the priest and offering by combining his self as the pascal lamb and the bread and wine of the Melchizedechian order at the Christian altar. So how do we participate in that cup of the blood of the New Covenant ? How do we get it applied to us to cover sin? Just believe...thinking about it in our minds? Or John 6 and Last Supper commands?
Thank you for this interesting video. I donot think that you mentioned, that Christ in the Mass is a Living Sacrifice, He does not die, noe suffer, for He is risen, ascended, glorified. Secondly, Christ is not only Offerer and Victim, He is also - as God The Son - Receiver of the Sacrifice, together with the Father and the Holy Ghost. When you say that the Sacrifice placates the wrath of God, i hope that you do not mean this in the heretical protestant sense of Penal Substitution. For on the Cross God the Son gave up the life of his assumed human body, yes, as a Sacrifice, but not to appease the Fathers anger towards Him. God gave up His Life most of all out of love for mankind ("no greater love has a man than to give his life for his friends") in order to defeat the power of Death and Sin, which He literally did by descending into Hades to free the Souls there and bring them to Heaven, amongst other things.
Great video. If St Robert Bellarmine thought the immolation of the sacrifice of the Mass was eating the Eucharist, did he think we couldn't keep the Eucharist in the Tabernacle after Mass for Adoration?
Is it correct to say that the punishment (death itself) is owed to us from Adam's sin and that this is God's wrath? If so then Christ took on the Wrath, by dying as the Logos incarnate, and so destroyed death by death and satisfied the Father? Because Hell(damnation) is the SECOND Death as said in Scripture. After the resurrection, human nature is repaired in its relation to God. And after the final, general resurrection, those who reject God experience a "second" Death, but unlike the first death, this one is eternal as it came in a state of unity with God and so, like the devil and his angels, humans who experience this second death suffer eternally, just like the devil suffers eternally and cannot repent Am I wrong? I take this stance so as to avoid Calvinistic interpretation of the sacrifice and God's wrath as him wanting to damn us all to eternal hell
I'm Catholic. I don’t understand the sacrificial action. How does our belief that the bread is the "body, BLOOD, soul and divinity" of Jesus square with your explanation of separation of the blood from the body, in the sacrificial action? Remember at the NO mass, only the 'dry' wafer is distributed to the laity is most instances. The transubstantiated wine is consumed exclusively by the priest. I've understood that the bread and wine both individually consist of the "body, blood, soul and divinity" of Christ. So perhaps, my understanding here is wrong. Please correct me. This question could easily be weaponised by a cluey and knowledgeable objector.
Depends on the Church. We at the Catedral get both Eucharist (bread) and Blood (wine). But I have been to small churches that also have the wine also. Most people receive just the host... So optional
@@richardcastro1276 Based on my current understanding, it doesn't matter if the transubstantiated bread alone is presented for consumption. However, based on Wagner's explanation, it could be a theological problem.
@@okj9060 Thank you, for both understanding my question and providing the perfect response. I hope Wagner takes the time and makes the effort to clarify and confirm this to be his understanding.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing a few months ago and this is the only explanation I found so far (on sensum fidelium). Another thing that’s also confusing is how we receive the resurrected Christ in communion. I suggest you look into that as well.
Jesus is our high priest, ordained priests the ordinary priesthood & the people are the universal priesthood. Only the Catholic & Orthodox Churches have validly ordained priests in the unbroken line of apostolic succession
No we just had this in the mass readings a while ago. CCC 1240-1241 1240 In the Latin Church this triple infusion is accompanied by the minister's words: "N., I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In the Eastern liturgies the catechumen turns toward the East and the priest says: "The servant of God, N., is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." At the invocation of each person of the Most Holy Trinity, the priest immerses the candidate in the water and raises him up again. 1241 The anointing with sacred chrism, perfumed oil consecrated by the bishop, signifies the gift of the Holy Spirit to the newly baptized, who has become a Christian, that is, one "anointed" by the Holy Spirit, incorporated into Christ who is anointed priest, prophet, and king. [Cf. RBC 62] [1294, 1574, 783] www.ncronline.org/blogs/peace-pulpit/we-are-priests-prophets-and-kings We take on a very small portion as the article states of being a priest by participating in the mass. Of being a prophet by sharing our Catholic life and the Word... etc. The way the Protestants use these words, is in the negative sense. Like see we are all priests, so you don't need to confess your sins to a priest. Listen to their objections they vary of course. We Catholics know we cannot be priest in the sense we can confess anyone or consecrate bread & wine. Hopefully, I am explaining myself somewhat we are to follow Jesus in our limited ways. But we must contribute to the Church by doing our own individual Priest, Prophet and King part. Not like Jesus obviously, not the our priest, not like a real prophet and not like a real king. Let me give maybe like more practical examples. We act like priest by encouraging others to go to confession (by the way go to confession, if you haven't); remember God loves you; go to mass... see I did my priestly bit. Now let me do my Prophet bit... we really shouldn't judge others or we will be judge Matthew 7 : 1-5, so stop judging your cousin. See just did my Prophety duty... by quoting something appropriate... and this is the hard one for some of us doing the Kingly bit. And it is typically, when we are fighting with others because of how they hurted us. The way we do our kingly duty is by showing them mercy and forgiving them for what they did to us. See we do those within our human limits. Like some Protestants might see this, but they typically don't think like that at all. You know they got rid of the sacraments, so they don't need priest. You know some of them consider their pastors the prophets ( some pastors think they are prophets, specicially the ones on TV, I prayed to God and he told me the money will be there to buy _____ and I needed to do was ask. Anyways, you get the picture. Very different type of thinking.
Martin Luther would not agree. His famous 'The Babylonian Captivity of the Church' would denounce the view that the Mass is a Sacrifice Offered, in any manner.
@@TheRecapitulaitionist bro, i know how you guys believe, you know how we guys believe… i was just saying that evangelicals need to come back to the assurance of the sacrament of the altar.
When I was a Jehovah's Witness, I remember thinking how us reading magazines every Sunday did not feel like enough and that it was something i could simply do at home. It was not worship. Becoming Catholic made me realize what true worship is
Ex-JW, now a Catholic here as well. It was the Eucharist that made me convert. Like you, the "worship" of the JWs and their subsequent theology was far too surface-layer and empty. Not to mention quite blasphemous when looking into their "Memorial" version of the Last Supper
@@Thedisciplemike Yes! And realizing they changed the scripture to say "this means my body" instead of "this IS my body". It's dishonest on their part
My dad used to tell me I had to make a bigger deal of prereading the magazine, otherwise people might think I was lukewarm.
@marvalice3455 awe man i remember that.
I'm glad you came home.
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this is easily the best youtube apostolate. No bs. Just good, solid, holy, Thomistic theology
Gratias tibi pro hoc video. Benefaciat vobis Deus et Domina nostra custodiat te. Amen.
Dominus noster 😂
Truly doing the Lord’s work, God bless you and your kin Christian.
Pray for the souls of people who passed away recently
Pray to only God, the dead are dead, and awaitting the resurection of the dead!
@@louisvega-oe2sc keep coping
@@marcinraczkowski963 when death comes, after comes the judgement! the soul leaves the body, and the dead await their resurection! They're no longer in this world and can not communicate with the living nor the living with them, so what can they do for you? Only Jesus can do what the dead can't not, even the church, or your religion, acts 4:12! Salvation is about life, eternal life, not about death or the dead, some of which allready reached that promise and have moved on from this world! That's why there is but, one life, one death and after death, one judgement? there is no such thing as pergatory, since that is a catholic delusion invented by who else but a catholic? Catholic idols show a dead Christ, and if you see a (so called) protestant cross, there is no dead Christ on there, but an empty cross signifying a risen Christ! Big difference between death and worshiping death, and worshiping the living Christ?
Requiem Aeternam dona eis, Domine: et Lux Perpetua luceat eis.
Libera animas omnium fidelium defunctorum de poenis inferni, et de profundo lacu: sed signifer Sanctus Michael repraesentet eas in lucem sanctam. Amen
@@john-paulgies4313 too bad that the majority of Americans understand English and not gibberish?
your channel is heavily underrated tbh
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Pray for all people who suffer
Fantastic video!! I'd love to see a follow up video that explains how we laity can better/properly participate in the Sacrifice of the Mass for the good of our souls and intentions.
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Thank you for the videos you make. May God bless you and your loved ones
Thank you for getting into the weeds of Eucharistic theology. It was something I loved mare the more I tried to understand it. I have a lot to learn.
Just systematically go in depth through all the aspects one by one please sir
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Great video, this is the content that converts Protestants and brings them back home
No, this is the content that brings people who live amongst Protestants to the Catholic Church. Protestant here, I admire the Catholics as they are the first church. But to pretend that Protestants are lost sheep is a silly thought. What about your brothers in Eastern Orthodoxy?
@@brycesakal3717 lost sheep
@@SaltAndLight1027 lol okay. Have you ever been to a Protestant church?
@@brycesakal3717 I was raised Protestant and yes, I was a lost sheep. And the EO are also in schism, and have abandoned some Apostolic truths that are found in the Catholic Church alone. The Filioque for example, which the EO deny, is all over the early Church, and I mean EVERYWHERE.
@@matthewoburke7202 I know. But the EO don’t deny the Filioque for no reason. They have very specific theological arguments against it. That at this time I cannot quite recall. Same with Protestants. They have deep theological disagreements with Catholics it isn’t on a whim. But I stand by my original comment. Protestants and EO are not lost sheep. Nor, in my mind, are Catholics lost sheep or misguided by Protestant standards. I just stand on the side of, if Jesus is the lord of your life and you deeply care for your relationship with God, he will call you to the denomination he sees fit. No one is called to be Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, we are called to be Christ’s followers.
Catholics colloquially call the Mass "The Sacrifice of the Mass", but there's definitely a lot of Catholics who don't know what that mean.
Sometimes it requires research, a good priest, or maturing. I was technically Catholic for the last 10 or 11 years (I’m 26) and didn’t know anything about the faith at all but always claimed it. I was confirmed in May 2024 and learned a whole lot the year prior after I began growing up around 23-24 years old. Sometimes it is hard to understand that some people do not know the faith when I do, but it is important for me, personally, to know I am naturally curious. Others may not be. I wish everyone knew the faith tho and I tend to pray for that more than anything else
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Incredible. Simply incredible.
Credible, not Incredible
Aspect to go over: the completion of the Sacrifice at the reception of the chalice by the presiding priest.
Oh my goodness thank you for this video it’s a great explanation super precise, I thank you for this as I share with many ❤️❤️🙏
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Just dropping by to say great thumbnail!
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Skyrim music? I'm here for it!
haha I immediately noticed it too. The ambience of Skyrim is great for calming the mind for these kind of theological videos.
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Really appreciate this video.
THANK YOU MR. WAGNER !!!!!
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Great stuff Christian! As far as future content goes, I'd like to know more about layman participation in the Mass.
This is a clear and excellent presentation of the Mass. Please don’t detract from the overall effect by misspelling appearance, separation, and several other words which could have been rectified by using your spell-checker or a dictionary.
As soon as you mention the word "sacrifice" Protestants go "ballistic".
Epic production quality
This video is really going to help me understand the Mass so much better now
Much better production. Keep it up
The fact this man isn’t massive on TH-cam is a shame
Excellent
Best video you've done imo
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Waiter,Waiter! More good documentaries on important subjects with good sources please!
For from the rising of the sun to its setting
my name is great among the nations.
Everywhere incense and a pure sacrifice
are offered to my name.
For my name is great among the nations,
says the Lord of hosts.
Superb video
real ( I haven't seen the video yet, but i know it's going to be another W Wagner vid).
the title has changed four times since this was streamed
Great video!! Sometimes your videos are over my head, but I found this one perfectly understandable!! There are two topics I'd really like to see you cover. Firstly, this was sort of mentioned in the video, but I'd like more detail explaining why the mass is not re-crucifying Christ but re-offering the same sacrifice (so I have some more ammunition in arguments against anti-Catholics). Secondly, I'd like to know at what point media becomes unacceptable for a Catholic to partake in, for example there are many songs that I'm unsure cross the line in terms of lyrics and I haven't been able to quite figure it out. Or what about a video game or story where a church obviously based on the Catholic Church is the enemy but it's not actually the Catholic Church. I think this would be a topic that would help a lot of people, but it doesn't seem to be a concern for many I have talked to.
I second this pls
Please tell about how our death relates to Sacrifice, and the Eucharist. Thanks!
Can you make a documentary on what the Catholic view is on the Law/ Gospel Distinction? What the difference is and how each interact with the other!
SO TRVE (haven't watched yet)
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The Sacrifice of the Mass was, from my research, one of the most universal beliefs of the Early Church, even more than Infant Baptism. When one would assert the Eucharist, they would always call it a Sacrifice, one specifically offering the Elements to God. Saint Paul even taught this isln 1st Corinthians when comparing the Lord's Supper as our equivalent to the Sacrifice of Idols.
It's a subtly powerful argument, and doesn't really have the 'well this one Father didn't, so it's okay' and neither can it really be interpreted in any manner other than the offering of the Transubstantiated elements, unless you want to try Martin Luther's whole crap about 'ERRM ACTUALLY, the Sacrifice is the stuff we put into making the Mass possible, not the Mass itself.' It's ridiculous.
Who is sacrificing? The Eucharist is about His sacrifice. We are not sacrificing anything. Mass is a dead ritual that has no life in it. during the first 3 centuries, mass was not dead. They sang lively songs and danced before God. They prophesied and healed people. It became dead when structure took over and life went out of the church.
@bcalvert321 They didn't do the things you described. Saint Justin Martyr describes the earliest Christians not dancing, but reading the Scriptures, and practicing the Breaking of Bread weekly, which they believed to be a Sacrifice. There's a great video, just search 'ancinet Christian Worship' on TH-cam. In Acts, we see worship is about Breaking the Bread, singing the Psalms and studying the Scriptures and Teachings of the Apostles. And in 1st-2nd Century works outside of the Bible by Early Christians never described 'dancing'.
Ultimately, they believed that the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, of which we eat of the New Passover Lamb, that is Christ, not under symbolism, for that would make the Lamb of the Old Testament, of which the Israelites truly are received the benefit of the Passover Sacrifice from, superior that the New Passover. We dine on the New Lamb of God, in the New Exodus Jesus inaugurated, by the new Bread or Heaven, which is taught to be his flesh (see John 6). How else could we participate in this New Exodus, this New Passover Lamb, this New Bread of Heaven, without the Sacrifice of the Mass, presenting Christ's action done once for all, as the Old Passover presented the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt, without making the Old Covenant greater than the New?
@@luxither7354 Saint Justin Martyr was not born until 100 AD. So how is he supposed to know what the earliest did or didn't do? Jews danced and the Apostles danced. Dancing is all throughout the OT. It isn't in any letter it is the churches themselves that prove this. What another fake Catholic video, no thanks. Stuck-up Catholics haven't a clue what at any church in the first century. There were also many Churches within 100 to 200 miles of Jerusalem that were never Catholic. Churches in Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Turkey. Catholic churches were not the only churches around. The churches in Revelation were never Catholic. They were active until Islam came and destroyed them
Quit with the Eucharist hoax. Jesus is real and you do not need to find that out. The Holy Spirit comes to churches that believe in Christ. I have seen miracles done. prophecies come to pass and the gifts of the Holy Spirit abound in services. That is how you know Jesus is real. No, I am not a Pentecostal but I know when the Holy Spirit is alive in a church. His gifts never stopped. The Catholics quit believing.
@bec928 if you reject Christ's liturgy and sacrifice of the mass. You're openly rejecting the New Covenant that was started at the last supper. I'll go with the 2000 year old church founded by Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit personally instead of believing men
@@humbirdms2784 That is Catholic mythology. Jesus at the Last Supper said Do this in Remembrance of me. He did not say do this and be saved. They broke the bread and passed the cup to each other. Jesus did not hold the cup or feed them the bread. Jesus is the New Covenant. When anyone accepts Him as Lord and Savior they become a part of His New Covenant. Salvation is not a 3 step process. Being Catholic does not automatically save a person's soul. Without faith the bread and the wine do nothing. Baptism does not get rid of sins. We will always sin, but we are to repent of them. There was no infant baptism in the early church. There were children being baptized after they accepted Jesus as Savior. Infant baptism does not stop sin. It does not get rid of any sin because that infant has not sinned.
Wish this was taught during the homily
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What about the consummation of the sacrifice? Isn’t that communion? How does communion have to do with this?
Thanks so much for this
Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God.
Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine
Are you able to supply the text for Venerable Pius XII's condemnation of the Immolation being the eating of the Elements? Modern scholars will often try and use this argument (Brant Pitre does in his book on the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist). This would be helpful for us laymen who may enter into these discussions, such as myself.
If the Eucharist is merely a Thanksgiving, It is a rather strange and complicated way to say, “Thank you, Lord.” When I want to thank my friend for giving me something, I don’t make a sacrifice to him. Where? In the back yard?
Eucharist means thanksgiving, but the Holy Mass is much more including a propitiatory sacrifice.
Great video
This might be a stupid question, but I was wondering how the sacrifice of the mass relates to concomitance. If both the body and blood of Christ are under each of the forms, then they are never truly separate, and therefore, a mystical separation, and by consequence, a sacrifice doesn’t occur. However, if only one of these elements is under each form, it would cause the different species to be unequally efficacious, as well as violating Catholic dogma. Im unsure how to reconcile these two, and would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you
I am still confused how the symbolic separation that really contains what it signifies can constitute immolation when by concomitance the Body is not separated from the Blood and vice versa, so it seems like no separation actually happens under the signs. Can someone help me understand?
I read an explanation that basically seemed to say that because the consecration of the bread makes the Body present as its direct effect and that the Blood is present due only to the concomitance when the bread is consecrated (and the inverse with the consecration of the wine), the double consecration thereby effects the mystical immolation. Is that correct?
what does separation of body and blood mean? Does it mean that if you just beat a sheep to death with no bleeding and put it on the altar that no sacrifice occurred?
I’ve been thinking about the mass as a sacrifice a bit lately… that Jesus’s one sacrifice is perpetually available to us as a guilt or peace offering without every needing to be re-sacrificed. Protestants think of this as a one and done for all the things they did or will ever do… but it seems Catholics treat it as something we can continually offer as our needs require. Is this what this theology is getting at?
The Holy Eucharist is a presence sacrament, a communion sacrament, and a scarfice sacrament. Teaching of Pope St. John Paul 11.
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How do we understand a mystical immolation even though the body and blood of Christ is fully present in the bread and the wine? Does this mean we have to take communion in both kinds to feast on both Christ’s body and blood?
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At 16:00 the infant Christ is laid down. Is that Christ in the scriptures? If so, that is pretty remarkable, because, if I recall, St. Martin Luther called scriptures the manger in which Christ is laid.
There is the single consecration mentioned for the host, where Christ is present with or without the precious blood. If there is no consecration of the wine/blood, and there is no mystical sacrifice, is the host still a sacrament?
Make small videos on all of these topics PLEASE! Priests need this.
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How does "Summa Theologica, II-II, Question 84, Article 3," and this theology square with Nicea II supporting "offering incense to icons"?
@@carsonianthegreat4672 it is though, God commanded it as worship in the OT.
And St Thomas affirms this
It satisfies the criteria laid out in the video.
Not trying to be antagonistic but that is the truth. I appreciate you trying to answer
I have asked before and been told this is done in a sacramental nature not as a sacrifice.
But I still feel discontent with this response without better defense/explanation of it tbh
@@carsonianthegreat4672 yeah.
I was thinking it could be akin to oil anointing a pillar, or blood sprinkled on things.
Will do :)
@@carsonianthegreat4672 I saw!
As soon as I posted it I thought of the analogy; that it's like "sacrificing" an animal can be to worship a god. Or to feed a family.
So intent matters
When you play grammar policeman to your superchatters but then say, “We’ve went…”🙄
Although is a good explanation of Catholic theology of the Mass, it appears to fall short in undercuting worship as practiced in a Protestant church (going off the provocative thumbnail). Catholic theology does not limit worship to only the sacrifice of the mass.
“When the Church prays, whether the Mass or Liturgy of the Hours, it makes an offering in imitation of Christ. As St. Paul reminds us, “Offer yourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship” (Rom. 12:1). All worship, therefore, has a sacrificial element, whether overt or not. Though sacrifice can be expressed in different ways, worship is participation in the sacrifice of Christ.”
- Father David Endres Professor of Church history and historical theology at Mount St. Mary’s Seminary & School of Theology
Yes, I mention this point when going over the various analogues of sacrifice.
I have a question guys, can be Christ be present in protestantism? Like Lutheranism,
Anglicanism.
If my memory serves me st Ignatius spoke only of the bishops of the catholic church having the authority to have a valid sacrament of the Eucharist. So I would say no. This isn't to say God is limited by the church it's possible but based off tradition I've read no.
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Informed and helpful perspective
Hi brother. I'm a college student who converted to Roman Catholicism after studying some theology. How do you respond to the protestant defense of Sola Scriptura which says you don't need the church to determine the canon of the scripture because people in the old testament didn't have the magisterium yet aggreed aupon the scripture?
Simple. Just ask them where scripture in the sola scriptura came from. God didn't magically hand bible down to anyone. Many members of early catholic Church compiled the bible. So if bible was created by the church and bible is considered true, then what is the point in telling that church rules are false. That would make their argument self contradicting
THE JEWS DID NOT AGREE ON SCEIPTURE. That is where this Protestant argument went wrong. There were several groups of Jewish people that disagreed on which books were scripture. You have samartians who broke off pf the Jewish people, you have Pharisees with oral tradition, sadducees who only accept a few books, and Essenes who likely accepted the deuterocanonical books.
@@okj9060 yes but ultimately they agreed?
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Spelling error at the second instance of the word 'Mediation', misspelled as 'Mediaiton'.
23:45 Sacrament not SacrEment.
28:14, 28:42 Separation not SepEration.
Ok I'll stop now, there's more but I don't want to imply that I've negated the very good work you've done.
So true
What in the Hawktober is this introduction song!?
Can someone clear something up for me? If immolation occours because the body and blood are seperated, then how can we be said to receive the Body and Blood when receiving under one species?
Because in the Eucharist, Christ's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are fully present.
@garfieldodie3106 but if in the host Body and Blood remain united then where is the immolation?
@@trinxty6099 Pretty sure that was answered in the video. He mentions the mystical immolation of Body and Blood (maybe the specific term used was different, I haven't watched the video in a while, but iirc he addressed that).
great video! little spelling mistake: 28:05 separation!
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I learned most of this when I was a child from the Baltimore catechism well before the council. One cannot blame today’s Catholics for a lack of knowledge of either transubstantiation or the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Most Masses ( Novus Ordo Missae) emulate protestant communion services in which the community is celebrated, and people eat bread and drink wine in remembrance of Jesus.
So this is the accommodation in NOVIS ORDO masses were every Tom Dick and Harry are handing out bread and wine under the pretence of it being the consecrated EUCHARIST??
I don't know. Is the word "cognitive dissonance," I feel? I went to high school back in the 1960s, and you remind me of some football guys I knew. One in particular had your type of hair and he was beefy, popular with the girls, and guys looked up to him. I was on the football team but I was out of place, scrawny-thin, a running back. But actually I was bookish. I was not a sports type and only joined the team to impress a girl. Did not exactly get her. I read my way to covert to Catholicism. My years in high school were lonely and I was subject to depressions. Anyway, what I mean is, for my personal experience, you don't have the look of someone who would be interested in religion. But of course that is nonsense for me to say. Throughout my high school I can't recall any student interested in religion (other than a Jehovah's Witness). I'm sorry if I say wrong, but I very much admire your knowledge. God bless you through your life! Good video!
You said that the act of immolation is the separation of the Body and Blood. I am unsure what you mean by this. Don't both the bread and wine both become Body and Blood?
Its a sacramental, not a real, division of body and blood. Just as we dont actually kill Him in every Mass. The substance of the victim is wholly contained under each species.
My precise question, in another post.
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Is that a Pennsylvania or Maryland accent?
I just went over with my freshmen class the difference between prayer and worship, and how worship really comes down to sacrifice. Def wasn’t something I learned in Catholic high school so I’m trying to bring it up with my students. This video will help
Can Anglo-Catholics have a valid sacrifice?
Is the celebration of mass and eucharist for the forgiveness of sins? So like, a replacement of yom kippur? We no longer have to be Jewish and attend yom kippur with a Jewish high priest in Jerusalem temple and slaughter lambs for the forgiveness of sins. We get the best sacrifice/worship in any mass any place on the planet? It's now made available to every nation, tribe and tongue?
If someone rejects the mass, are they not also rejecting the forgiveness that it provides? Matthew 26:27-28 NRSV-CI [27] Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; [28] for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Drink from this cup of my blood for the forgiveness of sins!
In the Old Covenant Jews would have to bring an animal for sacrifice to the temple priest to shed blood and cover sins. In the New Covenant Jesus is the priest and offering by combining his self as the pascal lamb and the bread and wine of the Melchizedechian order at the Christian altar. So how do we participate in that cup of the blood of the New Covenant ? How do we get it applied to us to cover sin? Just believe...thinking about it in our minds? Or John 6 and Last Supper commands?
Thank you for this interesting video. I donot think that you mentioned, that Christ in the Mass is a Living Sacrifice, He does not die, noe suffer, for He is risen, ascended, glorified. Secondly, Christ is not only Offerer and Victim, He is also - as God The Son - Receiver of the Sacrifice, together with the Father and the Holy Ghost. When you say that the Sacrifice placates the wrath of God, i hope that you do not mean this in the heretical protestant sense of Penal Substitution. For on the Cross God the Son gave up the life of his assumed human body, yes, as a Sacrifice, but not to appease the Fathers anger towards Him. God gave up His Life most of all out of love for mankind ("no greater love has a man than to give his life for his friends") in order to defeat the power of Death and Sin, which He literally did by descending into Hades to free the Souls there and bring them to Heaven, amongst other things.
What is the difference between a god and a ghost?
A god is given divine honors; the immolation of sacrifice.
No sacrifice, no god, no worship.
I thought Matt Fradd was in this video.
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Great video. If St Robert Bellarmine thought the immolation of the sacrifice of the Mass was eating the Eucharist, did he think we couldn't keep the Eucharist in the Tabernacle after Mass for Adoration?
Is it correct to say that the punishment (death itself) is owed to us from Adam's sin and that this is God's wrath? If so then Christ took on the Wrath, by dying as the Logos incarnate, and so destroyed death by death and satisfied the Father?
Because Hell(damnation) is the SECOND Death as said in Scripture. After the resurrection, human nature is repaired in its relation to God. And after the final, general resurrection, those who reject God experience a "second" Death, but unlike the first death, this one is eternal as it came in a state of unity with God and so, like the devil and his angels, humans who experience this second death suffer eternally, just like the devil suffers eternally and cannot repent
Am I wrong?
I take this stance so as to avoid Calvinistic interpretation of the sacrifice and God's wrath as him wanting to damn us all to eternal hell
I'm Catholic. I don’t understand the sacrificial action.
How does our belief that the bread is the "body, BLOOD, soul and divinity" of Jesus square with your explanation of separation of the blood from the body, in the sacrificial action? Remember at the NO mass, only the 'dry' wafer is distributed to the laity is most instances. The transubstantiated wine is consumed exclusively by the priest.
I've understood that the bread and wine both individually consist of the "body, blood, soul and divinity" of Christ. So perhaps, my understanding here is wrong. Please correct me.
This question could easily be weaponised by a cluey and knowledgeable objector.
Depends on the Church. We at the Catedral get both Eucharist (bread) and Blood (wine). But I have been to small churches that also have the wine also. Most people receive just the host...
So optional
@@richardcastro1276 Based on my current understanding, it doesn't matter if the transubstantiated bread alone is presented for consumption.
However, based on Wagner's explanation, it could be a theological problem.
The species are separated into body (with blood soul and divinity) and blood (with body soul and divinity).
@@okj9060 Thank you, for both understanding my question and providing the perfect response.
I hope Wagner takes the time and makes the effort to clarify and confirm this to be his understanding.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing a few months ago and this is the only explanation I found so far (on sensum fidelium).
Another thing that’s also confusing is how we receive the resurrected Christ in communion. I suggest you look into that as well.
The other thumbnail was better, tell unionist initiative to stop picking the worst one
erm wagner you are obviously wrong the universal priesthood is a protestant idea
Uh, no
so true.
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Jesus is our high priest, ordained priests the ordinary priesthood & the people are the universal priesthood. Only the Catholic & Orthodox Churches have validly ordained priests in the unbroken line of apostolic succession
No we just had this in the mass readings a while ago.
CCC 1240-1241
1240 In the Latin Church this triple infusion is accompanied by the minister's words: "N., I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In the Eastern liturgies the catechumen turns toward the East and the priest says: "The servant of God, N., is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." At the invocation of each person of the Most Holy Trinity, the priest immerses the candidate in the water and raises him up again.
1241 The anointing with sacred chrism, perfumed oil consecrated by the bishop, signifies the gift of the Holy Spirit to the newly baptized, who has become a Christian, that is, one "anointed" by the Holy Spirit, incorporated into Christ who is anointed priest, prophet, and king. [Cf. RBC 62] [1294, 1574, 783]
www.ncronline.org/blogs/peace-pulpit/we-are-priests-prophets-and-kings
We take on a very small portion as the article states of being a priest by participating in the mass. Of being a prophet by sharing our Catholic life and the Word... etc.
The way the Protestants use these words, is in the negative sense. Like see we are all priests, so you don't need to confess your sins to a priest. Listen to their objections they vary of course. We Catholics know we cannot be priest in the sense we can confess anyone or consecrate bread & wine.
Hopefully, I am explaining myself somewhat we are to follow Jesus in our limited ways. But we must contribute to the Church by doing our own individual Priest, Prophet and King part. Not like Jesus obviously, not the our priest, not like a real prophet and not like a real king.
Let me give maybe like more practical examples. We act like priest by encouraging others to go to confession (by the way go to confession, if you haven't); remember God loves you; go to mass... see I did my priestly bit. Now let me do my Prophet bit... we really shouldn't judge others or we will be judge Matthew 7 : 1-5, so stop judging your cousin. See just did my Prophety duty... by quoting something appropriate... and this is the hard one for some of us doing the Kingly bit. And it is typically, when we are fighting with others because of how they hurted us. The way we do our kingly duty is by showing them mercy and forgiving them for what they did to us.
See we do those within our human limits. Like some Protestants might see this, but they typically don't think like that at all. You know they got rid of the sacraments, so they don't need priest. You know some of them consider their pastors the prophets ( some pastors think they are prophets, specicially the ones on TV, I prayed to God and he told me the money will be there to buy _____ and I needed to do was ask. Anyways, you get the picture. Very different type of thinking.
As a Lutheran i can very much agree with the essence of this video. To be honest.
Although just for the record: i, obviously, disagree with your specific RC views
Martin Luther would not agree. His famous 'The Babylonian Captivity of the Church' would denounce the view that the Mass is a Sacrifice Offered, in any manner.
@@TheRecapitulaitionist that is the prt i do not agree, it is important tho to remember the sacrifice of Christ that we obtain through the sacrament
@@FILIPEBERTOLUCCI So then is the Mass a Sacrifice?
@@TheRecapitulaitionist bro, i know how you guys believe, you know how we guys believe… i was just saying that evangelicals need to come back to the assurance of the sacrament of the altar.