@@thepaintingphase amazing through the airbursh seconded!, also didn't agree about thickness only the heavy proacryl and white are thicker the rest are very nicely thinned out of the bottle.
On mixing paint I try and approach it in a much less scientific kind of way and just mixing by feel rather than to be exact matches, because it will likely be close enough. Big fan of using deck tan with pro acryl Payne's grey (Vince vinturella's signature series) for nmm silvers
Not saying Citadel is a bad paint range, but why does it always seem that people who say it's the best paints are folks who started with it? For me Vallejo is the measuring stick and pound for pound best range of paints.
Availability for me. Also, I think I tend to like them because there is lots of guides that say “use this colour, then that colour”. Guides tend to be all citadel, or 7 different brands - there isn’t many ppl out there doing their whole guide with Vallejo. Also, it’s the first, change is hard. Investment is usually already made.
Squidmar makes a great case for why citadel are the heavyweights. His theory is that for most people, coverage is the most important feature but citadel measures up better in many other facets. It’s worth a watch
Fully agree Vallejo are the ultimate paint company. GW will eventually (as they have done in the past) change their paint manufacturer. Your language will then be gone.
I have been on a hot streak recently of spilling I think 4 paints in the last 2 weeks. Plus when shaking a fully shut contrast paint, somehow paint prayed everywhere. And I kid you not it was fully shut I even look at it after and thought how the fuck did paint come out. Ruined my white tee and also went on my monitor a bit
The fanatic line from the army painter is so good. So so good. Granted there’s a couple misses, no range is perfect. I kept my pro acryl titanium white and vallejo black and a couple contrasts but otherwise did a complete switch over.
Absolutely true! The coverage is insane, overall performance so much better than citadel and still a tad cheaper. Not talking about all the other pros like compatibility with the primers, flexible triad etc. and the metallics cover very good as well. Usually just one thin coat
Here are all the acrylic paints I've tried and can actually remember: All kinds of Citadel paints, vallejo game,model,32ml metallics, Pro Acryl including transparents, Chimera Kolors, Liquitex Acrylic gouache, AK third gen, Two Thin Coats, Scale 75 artist range/Fantasy and games range, Greenstuff World pure metal pigments, some indivual paints and their dipping inks and lastly, and certainly least: Army Painter before they got their shit together. Best out of that whole lot, at least for the way I paint, are Vallejo 32mm metallics alongside GSW pure metal pigments, All Pro Acryl stuff ''Especially Rogue Hobbies signatures'', Chimera Kolors and AK Third Gen. I try to keep my collection at least somewhat manageable, so I threw out the worst of the lot. And the ones I threw out are as follows: Army Painter, Citadel and vallejo game colours. Everything else is something I use regularly and have no problems with. Just as a sidenote, I do also use oil paints for actual painting, not just washes. Winsor and Newton, only good brand that's still affordable, considering how little of it miniature painters use.
I'm colorblind and had a lot of success with Reaper triads about a decade ago. The paint isn't great but it taught me a lot about how colors work together. Now I mostly use ProAcryl and Citadel with a smattering of my favourite Vallejo sprinkled it (especially their air metallics). My other crutch is using an app called paintrack that has color tools to make sure I'm not using an incorrect color and to save recipes.
I started as many do using only citadel, however Ive been branching out more. The Pro-Acryl ones are insanely good for that single pigment, brilliant colour, used them a lot especially the titanium white. Used their metallics recently too and found them very good. However I've got a lot of the Gen 3 AK colours and they have been excellent. I've got to the point where I've got a mix of a few brands who I consider to be the best at the job.
that was a very episode, looking for a sequel ! I have mainly Citadel I have a few Army painter that I use intensively. I discovered the brand while I was living in Denmark, and overall I like it a lot! more than all the other brrands. I am aslo giving a try to FW acrylic ink, and they are nice
I use Pro Acryl, P3 and Two Thin Coats, with a few Citadel colours that I just can’t find a replacement for. If I had to choose one range for the rest of my life it would probably be Pro Acryl - best for wet blending in my mind.
A cracking discussion, great to listen to as I carried on painting my Ogre Butcher with oil paints 😆 I use Vallejo Model Air, Model and Game Color mainly, Army Painter Quick Shades and a few Citadel washes and such. I really used to like P3 but haven't got any of those at present. Sounds as if I should be checking out Pro Acryl, which I'll probably do once I get a grasp of painting minis with oil paints which is a bit of a learning curve but really enjoyable. Thanks for another great video )O(
An omission from your list of paints is Ammo by Mig who produce a list of products similar to AK ie paints, brushes, tools and most notably weathering pigments and washes which are available as enamels or acrylics.
Ammo by Mig has just released a revamped acrylic line, "Atom", which does look interesting. If nothing else, the bottles look practical. Haven't seen any coverage on that line concerning minature painting (yet).
Vallejo main issue is distribution outside of the EU and UK. In NA etc I've heard its more difficult to get regular stock so very annoying if you need to wait weeks for paints you need.
Personal favorite is Formula P3. Steamforge bought it and have posted they’re working on updates so it appears to be set for a second chance. Hope you include them too.
I bought the entire line of Kimera when everyone was claiming they were the best on Kickstarter and by the time they arrived everyone was using Two Thin Coats (also from kickstarter)
At this point most of the new iterations of paint ranges are generally reliable. They have fewer bad paints than they used to. Some still have several paints in their range that struggles, particularly citadel base and layer which are lagging behind competition. But for the most part, aside from some specific outliers in a paint range, they're good. Then the totally new paint ranges like Pro Acryl and Two Thin Coat are knocking it out of the park. However, I wish TTC had more volume of paint per pot, they run out quickly. But that's more of a testament to how useful it is. If I were to be stuck with just 1 paint range it would be AK 3rd gen. It is consistent. The paint pots are an industry standard size, making them easy to store. And the color variety is immense. Rakarth is probably the single paint I've gone through the most pots of. It's got to be 2-3 pots a year for a decade now. It is more to do with my paint style and subjects I select but I find so many ways to use it. Pro Acryl Red Gray is a new paint that I've found ticks the same boxes. It's a little darker but man, it's great too.
Great episode! I think Mat final pitch, about SFG being a miniature company that can be patient and deliberate about developing their p3 "side hobby" is quite compelling. Honestly don't know if I'll prefer the original pot or dropper bottle -- guess I'll pick whichever form factor will make it to retail!
Interesting discussion. I wonder if there will be a segment for the best new formula paints. Seems like everyone is doing a paint refresh and new paint are leagues is getting better than what they were.
I use a mixture, but mainly Army Painter. Being a stoke survivor my painting style has had to change to a lot of dry brushing…. And AP has enabled me to continue painting….👍
New to the hobby (although I will be a historical vice fantasy/sci-f war gamer). I have been looking all over for paint comparisons but of course 95% of such content is fantasy focused. However, reviews of paint regardless of miniature is very helpful. I ran across your video and found something you said interesting. Folks from the UK and into Warhammer would naturally gravitate towards Citadel. The bit you mentioned about Warlord was a light bulb moment. In that historical space they chose Army Painter. So my question is if you were in my shoes as a newcomer who will focus mostly on 18-19 th century historical miniature painting, who would you go with. I am from the U.S. so no bias or history with any company at all. It seems on the surface that Vallejo model color is well suited to historical but then again I like the base/layer/highlight ease with Citadel.. again as a beginner. I very much welcome suggestions. Thanks!!
Vallejo or AK 3rd Gen. Citadel system can be mimicked with a little research and you’ll get less fantasy colours and more real world from the above companies, I really hope that helps - Geoff
Ak, the new army painter line and some vallejo as well. A couple of gw colours too, sure. Plus enamel, oil and anything in between. Essentially, whatever you like, as long as it works for its purpose.
Vallegho model air is what I started with when I started painting miniatures again i have model colour also, their silver metallic is awesome with the aluminium as highlighter, I have 4 ak but i have various acrylics , tamiya,revel, one of my gundam is painted with craft shop acrylic that i put through the airbrush, my 1st gundam is painted with timbertech acrylic, my necrons are a copper mica powder and matt medium and they are probably my best painting job on my minis
Citadel for me. I've tried moving away from Citadel but converting colours is a faff, if not expensive if you buy before knowing for certain an alternative paint colour is a ballpark match. Seen many use other brands, like Pro Acryl, Warcolors, Army Painter etc., but again, expense to try out when I'm looking at painting a specific figure/squad. Unless I'm airbrushing anything other than black/white/grey/bone "primer", which is rare, I know where I am with Citadel.
For me that happens with Sycorax Bronze from Citadel, its horrible to work with, but the end result is great after a wash. Still looking for a replacement easy to work with, any suggestions?
Really keen to know your thoughts on GSW. I use GSW and Citadel with a smaller collection of Reaper. I think this is a great vid and hope you do a part 2 covering the rest of the paints.
My own paint collection is Citadel, Vallejo, Scale 75, and some P3 (which I will get more off when SFG ramps up production again). The Army Painter laser pointers are great for Necromunda.
Not sure if it's applicable in art products but there is a RAL number system for colours which also provides a name. Is this what you were thinking of?
LOL .. laser pointers - we had (have) them from off ebay years ago, then GW released one that we still have in a packet because the randoms never failed our group 😄😃
Vallejo have been around for much much longer than Army Painter - I’ve been using them for over 20 years (almost 30?) and they have always been consistently good. Army painter were dreadful when then were initially released and that put a lot of people off using them again
You want the Speedpaint metallics because they use BOTH aluminium and mica flakes. They have the shine aluminium gives AND the ability to be colored by added blend of pigment (which aluminium isn't good for). Best of both worlds. Their Copper and Bronze are insane.
I cant believe i used to paint scale models with a no1 brush 😂 i used to use car paint on the body of my cars and revel and tamiya acrylic, i only started airbrushing in the past 3 years that i got into gunpla
Love it ross im ocd collector i have plenty of crap for use in modelling then I'm probably close to 80 gundam ive built about 10 in the past month and my pile of potential is about 7 deep 2mg 2full mechanic 3 hg , ive got a pile of warhammer in backlog and about 5 1/24 scale cars in my backlog , my issues now is display space 😂
I use about 80% citadel and the rest Coat D'arms. I rarely use the Citadel Contrast apart from Guilliman flesh that I use as a wash. I do find with Citadel they have great coverage but clog up very quickly. I have to keep thinning them with Lahmian Medium.
why dont more people use that army painter laser, i've had one for years, only cost about £7 and solves many issues, even for deployment, dice on each side and draw a line. awesome! thanks for the vid guys!
AK , Kimera and Vallejo are my go to brands. I've never used Citadel and really didn't get on with the Army Painter range but haven't tried the new Fanatic range.
"There's no dice and it's a starter set" they are not though, are they? They are supposed to be limited run special boxes. The starter set comes out in a few weeks with dice and the measuring sticks etc.
Citadel: very limited current range - useless for historicals, incredibly short term in viability - the only Citadel I have are from the original Citadel Colour range AK Interactive: very very good for 20 century/contemporary, great effect and additives, not as broad a range outside that Pro Acryl - limited range but high quality - on my list to buy AP - Haven't bought any of the new range, primarily use their acrylic strong tone wash, very broad range especially for misx of Fantasy/scifi & historical Vallejo: I'm biased been using them for over 20 years, mostly for historicals. Very broad range , especially good for all forms of historical subjects. Awesome metallics and excellent for airbrushing. Primers are so easy to work with, Also were very much bang for buck compared to Citadel. I also a small selection of particular colours form P3 and Reaper.
Other paint lines? Mission Model Paints, Testor's Enamel, Testor's Floquil acrylic, Reaper, P3, Liquatex, Golden, Humbrol. The best line is what's available in your area a the price you can afford. I've seen armies painted well with tempra and craft paint. It's not the paint, it's what you do with it.
The Lord Brother didn't just ruin his eyes trying to build his website without SS, it effed up his voice too! But if that was his natural voice.... he sounds like he could bake an awesome apple pie
Citadel is designed as a beginner paint but their best paint is contrast range which is the best in that style the best paints of acrylics is turbo dork and really unique and good quality and Duncan’s two thin coats which is a higher quality version of citadel acrylics
I'm interested in trying the Vallejo Metal, but I don't understand which one they're talking about. For instance they mentioned GunMetal and I can find 5 different types... Game Air Gunmetal / Mecha Color Gunmetal (pretty sure it's not this one) / Game color gunmetal / model color gunmetal / air metal color gunmetal grey. I think they're talking about the air one, but which one ? The Game air or the air metal color ?
@@thepaintingphase Oh an answer by the man itself ! Thanks a lot for the reply ! I see, it's indeed the "Metal Color" range then. It seems my local shop calls it "Air Metal Color", as if there wasn't enough confusion in the Vallejo range already... And thanks a lot for accompanying me while painting too !
I enjoy the Green Stuff World paints. I know they have a controversy but so does AK. GW is a walking controversy, and Vallejo stole the colors from GW. 😂 Anyways, GSW puts out a ton of tutorials every day on their Facebook. Even if you don't like the brand, they are doing something positive in that aspect. I like their paints but I also like a bunch of other brands too like the new game color paints, Atom from Mig, ProAcryl etc. The worst ones would I would say are cuttlefish colors, scale 75 scale color, and original Army painter.
The Mecha paints are semi-gloss and is actully valljeo try at gundam paints, they are okey as hobby paints, not so good for gundams as they should be painted with solvent based paints as that dont scrape and chip as easy as acrylics
Citadel, I only used for maybe a month, so TBH I can't really remember what it's like to actually paint with. I can just remember INFURIATING FUCKING POTS!!!!! They're also the most expensive. About 99% of my paint use is S75 ScaleColour and S75 Fantasy & Games
Geoff is correct on the Skaventide box Vs the Starter Sets. The Skaventide set is a "launch box" for people to get everything in one place; already in the hobby.
ProAcryl gloopy? Are we talking about the same paints? They’re pre thinned because Jason doesn’t use a wet pallet. One of their main selling points is how liquid their paints are? I’m wondering if the change in viscosity has something to do with getting shipped overseas and then freezing on you or something else?
I could be wrong, but i think the Mecha range are all brush on primers, because they're made to paint straight onto Gunpla without priming. I think! If that's how they work that's a pretty nifty gimmick.
Asking what makes army painter unique with the release of fanatic just shows you haven't looked at it at all, and probably aren't in a position to levy criticism
I refuse to buy anymore citadel paint until they fix the crappy pots. Especially when 2 thin coats is like a 98% color match. For the record I have 0 issue with pots on the whole but the pots citadel uses are just garbage quality. Refuse to try AP fanatic given how trash their original paints were
Best paint purchase, bought 5 copies of the bit part magazine part one 1.99 each. Came away with 5 pots each of macragge blue, retribution armour and abaddon black!
Oof, saying citadel is the best straight away is a rough take. The absurd price of those pots, in combination with a terrible pot design that dries out standard paints and spills washes is just not worth it. Plus trying to airbrush those things is a PITA. Vallejo and PA are just better options and speed paints are cheaper than contrast and just as good
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I’m a very recent convert to Pro Acryl. The best airbrush experience I’ve had so far. Great paint.
I've never tried to airbrush with them, I'll give them a go! Really been enjoying game air and tamiya recently
Pro Acryl Bold Titanium White is the BEST white out there. And the saturation of colors put over it is incredible.
@@kastork82 agreed!
@@thepaintingphase amazing through the airbursh seconded!, also didn't agree about thickness only the heavy proacryl and white are thicker the rest are very nicely thinned out of the bottle.
On mixing paint I try and approach it in a much less scientific kind of way and just mixing by feel rather than to be exact matches, because it will likely be close enough. Big fan of using deck tan with pro acryl Payne's grey (Vince vinturella's signature series) for nmm silvers
Not saying Citadel is a bad paint range, but why does it always seem that people who say it's the best paints are folks who started with it? For me Vallejo is the measuring stick and pound for pound best range of paints.
Availability for me. Also, I think I tend to like them because there is lots of guides that say “use this colour, then that colour”. Guides tend to be all citadel, or 7 different brands - there isn’t many ppl out there doing their whole guide with Vallejo. Also, it’s the first, change is hard. Investment is usually already made.
As Geoff says in the vid, it's the universal language
Squidmar makes a great case for why citadel are the heavyweights. His theory is that for most people, coverage is the most important feature but citadel measures up better in many other facets. It’s worth a watch
@@tcr4507squidmar also said Vallejo is the best paint out there.
Fully agree Vallejo are the ultimate paint company. GW will eventually (as they have done in the past) change their paint manufacturer. Your language will then be gone.
Anyone that says citadel is the best overall range has never spilled a pot of nuln oil (or contrast paint) across their hobby table.
😂😉😂
I have been on a hot streak recently of spilling I think 4 paints in the last 2 weeks. Plus when shaking a fully shut contrast paint, somehow paint prayed everywhere. And I kid you not it was fully shut I even look at it after and thought how the fuck did paint come out. Ruined my white tee and also went on my monitor a bit
The fanatic line from the army painter is so good. So so good.
Granted there’s a couple misses, no range is perfect. I kept my pro acryl titanium white and vallejo black and a couple contrasts but otherwise did a complete switch over.
Absolutely true! The coverage is insane, overall performance so much better than citadel and still a tad cheaper. Not talking about all the other pros like compatibility with the primers, flexible triad etc. and the metallics cover very good as well. Usually just one thin coat
The red is... not red
@@jorgemontero6384 funny I was just commenting on the reds over on the FB TAP group. The red is pretty terrible.
I got dice in mine fellas. Loving the newish dynamic you guys have now btw.
Here are all the acrylic paints I've tried and can actually remember: All kinds of Citadel paints, vallejo game,model,32ml metallics, Pro Acryl including transparents, Chimera Kolors, Liquitex Acrylic gouache, AK third gen, Two Thin Coats, Scale 75 artist range/Fantasy and games range, Greenstuff World pure metal pigments, some indivual paints and their dipping inks and lastly, and certainly least: Army Painter before they got their shit together.
Best out of that whole lot, at least for the way I paint, are Vallejo 32mm metallics alongside GSW pure metal pigments, All Pro Acryl stuff ''Especially Rogue Hobbies signatures'', Chimera Kolors and AK Third Gen.
I try to keep my collection at least somewhat manageable, so I threw out the worst of the lot. And the ones I threw out are as follows: Army Painter, Citadel and vallejo game colours. Everything else is something I use regularly and have no problems with.
Just as a sidenote, I do also use oil paints for actual painting, not just washes. Winsor and Newton, only good brand that's still affordable, considering how little of it miniature painters use.
Great video guys, looking forward to part 2. Especially interested in the 2 thin coats as I’ve been eying it up for a while……👍🤘
Coming soon!
I'm colorblind and had a lot of success with Reaper triads about a decade ago. The paint isn't great but it taught me a lot about how colors work together. Now I mostly use ProAcryl and Citadel with a smattering of my favourite Vallejo sprinkled it (especially their air metallics). My other crutch is using an app called paintrack that has color tools to make sure I'm not using an incorrect color and to save recipes.
I started as many do using only citadel, however Ive been branching out more. The Pro-Acryl ones are insanely good for that single pigment, brilliant colour, used them a lot especially the titanium white. Used their metallics recently too and found them very good. However I've got a lot of the Gen 3 AK colours and they have been excellent. I've got to the point where I've got a mix of a few brands who I consider to be the best at the job.
Mixing brands to get the best paints for your needs is the best way I think
that was a very episode, looking for a sequel ! I have mainly Citadel I have a few Army painter that I use intensively. I discovered the brand while I was living in Denmark, and overall I like it a lot! more than all the other brrands. I am aslo giving a try to FW acrylic ink, and they are nice
Great episode guys!! 🤘🤠
I use Pro Acryl, P3 and Two Thin Coats, with a few Citadel colours that I just can’t find a replacement for. If I had to choose one range for the rest of my life it would probably be Pro Acryl - best for wet blending in my mind.
A cracking discussion, great to listen to as I carried on painting my Ogre Butcher with oil paints 😆 I use Vallejo Model Air, Model and Game Color mainly, Army Painter Quick Shades and a few Citadel washes and such. I really used to like P3 but haven't got any of those at present. Sounds as if I should be checking out Pro Acryl, which I'll probably do once I get a grasp of painting minis with oil paints which is a bit of a learning curve but really enjoyable. Thanks for another great video )O(
Thanks for the nice comment.
No one seems to mention that consistency changes over time more in citadel in my opinion.
An omission from your list of paints is Ammo by Mig who produce a list of products similar to AK ie paints, brushes, tools and most notably weathering pigments and washes which are available as enamels or acrylics.
We’re doing a part 2, too much product for one episode.
Ammo by Mig has just released a revamped acrylic line, "Atom", which does look interesting. If nothing else, the bottles look practical. Haven't seen any coverage on that line concerning minature painting (yet).
Funny, informative and relatable (looking at you Ross with your Liquitex Ink bottle tumbling over). Thumbs up !
Cheers 👍🏼
Vallejo main issue is distribution outside of the EU and UK. In NA etc I've heard its more difficult to get regular stock so very annoying if you need to wait weeks for paints you need.
Vallejo Model Color is the best thing on the planet, and it smells like paradise.
Personal favorite is Formula P3. Steamforge bought it and have posted they’re working on updates so it appears to be set for a second chance. Hope you include them too.
Some AK, some citadel, some Pro Acryl, some Vallejo, some two thin coats and always on the lookout for the next one…
I bought the entire line of Kimera when everyone was claiming they were the best on Kickstarter and by the time they arrived everyone was using Two Thin Coats (also from kickstarter)
@@TheEnd this is the way.
I don't use citadel any more - they dry up too quickly. I mainly use AP speedpaints, Vallejo and Pro Acryl.
At this point most of the new iterations of paint ranges are generally reliable. They have fewer bad paints than they used to. Some still have several paints in their range that struggles, particularly citadel base and layer which are lagging behind competition. But for the most part, aside from some specific outliers in a paint range, they're good. Then the totally new paint ranges like Pro Acryl and Two Thin Coat are knocking it out of the park. However, I wish TTC had more volume of paint per pot, they run out quickly. But that's more of a testament to how useful it is.
If I were to be stuck with just 1 paint range it would be AK 3rd gen. It is consistent. The paint pots are an industry standard size, making them easy to store. And the color variety is immense.
Rakarth is probably the single paint I've gone through the most pots of. It's got to be 2-3 pots a year for a decade now. It is more to do with my paint style and subjects I select but I find so many ways to use it. Pro Acryl Red Gray is a new paint that I've found ticks the same boxes. It's a little darker but man, it's great too.
My fav paints to brush paint with are AK 3rd gen. Have tried them all.
Great episode! I think Mat final pitch, about SFG being a miniature company that can be patient and deliberate about developing their p3 "side hobby" is quite compelling.
Honestly don't know if I'll prefer the original pot or dropper bottle -- guess I'll pick whichever form factor will make it to retail!
Interesting discussion. I wonder if there will be a segment for the best new formula paints. Seems like everyone is doing a paint refresh and new paint are leagues is getting better than what they were.
I use a mixture, but mainly Army Painter. Being a stoke survivor my painting style has had to change to a lot of dry brushing…. And AP has enabled me to continue painting….👍
New to the hobby (although I will be a historical vice fantasy/sci-f war gamer). I have been looking all over for paint comparisons but of course 95% of such content is fantasy focused. However, reviews of paint regardless of miniature is very helpful. I ran across your video and found something you said interesting. Folks from the UK and into Warhammer would naturally gravitate towards Citadel. The bit you mentioned about Warlord was a light bulb moment. In that historical space they chose Army Painter. So my question is if you were in my shoes as a newcomer who will focus mostly on 18-19 th century historical miniature painting, who would you go with. I am from the U.S. so no bias or history with any company at all. It seems on the surface that Vallejo model color is well suited to historical but then again I like the base/layer/highlight ease with Citadel.. again as a beginner. I very much welcome suggestions. Thanks!!
Vallejo or AK 3rd Gen. Citadel system can be mimicked with a little research and you’ll get less fantasy colours and more real world from the above companies, I really hope that helps - Geoff
Army Painter have put the colour descriptions on the pots, it's on the side rotated through 90°. It's a great touch.
Ak, the new army painter line and some vallejo as well. A couple of gw colours too, sure.
Plus enamel, oil and anything in between. Essentially, whatever you like, as long as it works for its purpose.
Vallegho model air is what I started with when I started painting miniatures again i have model colour also, their silver metallic is awesome with the aluminium as highlighter, I have 4 ak but i have various acrylics , tamiya,revel, one of my gundam is painted with craft shop acrylic that i put through the airbrush, my 1st gundam is painted with timbertech acrylic, my necrons are a copper mica powder and matt medium and they are probably my best painting job on my minis
Citadel for me. I've tried moving away from Citadel but converting colours is a faff, if not expensive if you buy before knowing for certain an alternative paint colour is a ballpark match. Seen many use other brands, like Pro Acryl, Warcolors, Army Painter etc., but again, expense to try out when I'm looking at painting a specific figure/squad. Unless I'm airbrushing anything other than black/white/grey/bone "primer", which is rare, I know where I am with Citadel.
Those Vallejo screw on caps tho... I must have had at least 10+ split on me 😕
1:20:50 - Pro Acryl are like old Citadel Foundation base paints
For me that happens with Sycorax Bronze from Citadel, its horrible to work with, but the end result is great after a wash. Still looking for a replacement easy to work with, any suggestions?
Really keen to know your thoughts on GSW. I use GSW and Citadel with a smaller collection of Reaper. I think this is a great vid and hope you do a part 2 covering the rest of the paints.
We definitely want to do more on the subject.
My own paint collection is Citadel, Vallejo, Scale 75, and some P3 (which I will get more off when SFG ramps up production again). The Army Painter laser pointers are great for Necromunda.
A mix of P3 paints and the new The Army Painters Fanatic range.
Can y'all do a written summary of this? I find these kinda comparisons for future purchases easier to reference later
Not sure if it's applicable in art products but there is a RAL number system for colours which also provides a name. Is this what you were thinking of?
You never mentioned Kimera Kolors?!
We’ll be doing a part 2. There was just too much content for one episode.
LOL .. laser pointers - we had (have) them from off ebay years ago, then GW released one that we still have in a packet because the randoms never failed our group 😄😃
Vallejo have been around for much much longer than Army Painter - I’ve been using them for over 20 years (almost 30?) and they have always been consistently good. Army painter were dreadful when then were initially released and that put a lot of people off using them again
Great video! :-)
Would love to hear what you guys think of the ttcombat range of paints
Great suggestion!
It might be an idea to change the framing of Patrick's shot. It feels like he's connecting over zoom from another planet.
He is. Damn, thats our first FLGS on Mars out of the bag!
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You want the Speedpaint metallics because they use BOTH aluminium and mica flakes. They have the shine aluminium gives AND the ability to be colored by added blend of pigment (which aluminium isn't good for). Best of both worlds. Their Copper and Bronze are insane.
Thanks you’ve sold me!
I cant believe i used to paint scale models with a no1 brush 😂 i used to use car paint on the body of my cars and revel and tamiya acrylic, i only started airbrushing in the past 3 years that i got into gunpla
no one is wrong except for Pat.... nice...
I'm always wrong 😭
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Love it ross im ocd collector i have plenty of crap for use in modelling then I'm probably close to 80 gundam ive built about 10 in the past month and my pile of potential is about 7 deep 2mg 2full mechanic 3 hg , ive got a pile of warhammer in backlog and about 5 1/24 scale cars in my backlog , my issues now is display space 😂
I use a lot of citadel paints but it's too expansive in Brazil. So I started to using AK e Vallejo more.
I use about 80% citadel and the rest Coat D'arms. I rarely use the Citadel Contrast apart from Guilliman flesh that I use as a wash. I do find with Citadel they have great coverage but clog up very quickly. I have to keep thinning them with Lahmian Medium.
Oh and I use Tamiya for their great texture range.
why dont more people use that army painter laser, i've had one for years, only cost about £7 and solves many issues, even for deployment, dice on each side and draw a line. awesome! thanks for the vid guys!
I think the valejo mecha line is satin finish instead of matte finish and gunpla standard colors
AK , Kimera and Vallejo are my go to brands. I've never used Citadel and really didn't get on with the Army Painter range but haven't tried the new Fanatic range.
"There's no dice and it's a starter set" they are not though, are they? They are supposed to be limited run special boxes. The starter set comes out in a few weeks with dice and the measuring sticks etc.
Skaventide does include measuring sticks though. The box literally includes everything you need except the dice.
@@JCruiza Spearhead stuff I guess though. Meh, I just want the models xD
@@Geekmandem I mean, that's why I bought it. Just woulda been nice to have another fun set of themed dice to add to the collection (horde) Haha
Citadel: very limited current range - useless for historicals, incredibly short term in viability - the only Citadel I have are from the original Citadel Colour range
AK Interactive: very very good for 20 century/contemporary, great effect and additives, not as broad a range outside that
Pro Acryl - limited range but high quality - on my list to buy
AP - Haven't bought any of the new range, primarily use their acrylic strong tone wash, very broad range especially for misx of Fantasy/scifi & historical
Vallejo: I'm biased been using them for over 20 years, mostly for historicals. Very broad range , especially good for all forms of historical subjects. Awesome metallics and excellent for airbrushing. Primers are so easy to work with, Also were very much bang for buck compared to Citadel.
I also a small selection of particular colours form P3 and Reaper.
We only need to tell Barbados Rex how to say (vah-ye-ho)
I like metal speed paint for my necrons
Hello. I’m a big fan of army paints
what about a bootprint roller? like the texture rollers but for feet! in 'various amount of prints for your battleground needs'™ 😆
Other paint lines? Mission Model Paints, Testor's Enamel, Testor's Floquil acrylic, Reaper, P3, Liquatex, Golden, Humbrol.
The best line is what's available in your area a the price you can afford. I've seen armies painted well with tempra and craft paint. It's not the paint, it's what you do with it.
The Lord Brother didn't just ruin his eyes trying to build his website without SS, it effed up his voice too!
But if that was his natural voice.... he sounds like he could bake an awesome apple pie
I regularly drive past a Chinese takeaway that stocks GW stuff. It always confuses me.
I'll take a sweet and sour pork and some Lychguard please
@@thepaintingphase gives new meaning to the secret house menu....
Citadel is designed as a beginner paint but their best paint is contrast range which is the best in that style the best paints of acrylics is turbo dork and really unique and good quality and Duncan’s two thin coats which is a higher quality version of citadel acrylics
Unless you're painting something like a vehicle i think most miniatures are best painted with mostly matt paint
Im going to ask my neighbour next time I see her how to pronounce vallejo, she's Spanish
I don’t think I have ever heard anyone describe the Pro Acryl as thick and gloopy. It’s always thin and ready to use out of the bottle for me.
ProAcryl can sometimes be a bit thicker, but the black I got from the Two Thin Coats range was *thicc*.
Ak smoke black is pretty good
MEcha paints are for for Gunpla, a bit glossier and have some metal colours that are 'toyetic' IMHO.
I'm interested in trying the Vallejo Metal, but I don't understand which one they're talking about. For instance they mentioned GunMetal and I can find 5 different types... Game Air Gunmetal / Mecha Color Gunmetal (pretty sure it's not this one) / Game color gunmetal / model color gunmetal / air metal color gunmetal grey. I think they're talking about the air one, but which one ? The Game air or the air metal color ?
We're mainly talking about the larger pots of metal colour I believe. That's what I have a love - Pat
@@thepaintingphase Oh an answer by the man itself ! Thanks a lot for the reply ! I see, it's indeed the "Metal Color" range then. It seems my local shop calls it "Air Metal Color", as if there wasn't enough confusion in the Vallejo range already... And thanks a lot for accompanying me while painting too !
Pat is right. That is all
😂🤣😂
Its taken me a good few years to buy citadel paint i think it's probably 30 years😂
You have not mentioned Kimera Kolors by Pegaso nor Golden Acrylics (artists’ brand)
Never used citadel paints. when I were a lad we painted with enamels and inks. Now a days it's Valley Joe and SpeedPaint.
When's faux hammer stopping his appearances on painting phase?
Seems to be can’t get a balance my man. We tried to just me and Pat and we were constantly told, the show felt flat and needed a third.
Revel do good metallic paints i use them for my scale model cars
Love tabeltop gamers but we should spend less on dice and more on some salads and gym memberships
All of us or just those in the video?
@@thepaintingphase my father and 2 people at my LGS had heart attacks in the last year :(. Everyone does
I enjoy the Green Stuff World paints. I know they have a controversy but so does AK. GW is a walking controversy, and Vallejo stole the colors from GW. 😂 Anyways, GSW puts out a ton of tutorials every day on their Facebook. Even if you don't like the brand, they are doing something positive in that aspect. I like their paints but I also like a bunch of other brands too like the new game color paints, Atom from Mig, ProAcryl etc. The worst ones would I would say are cuttlefish colors, scale 75 scale color, and original Army painter.
Under rated and maybe not well known paint is Lifecolor fantastic range
The Mecha paints are semi-gloss and is actully valljeo try at gundam paints, they are okey as hobby paints, not so good for gundams as they should be painted with solvent based paints as that dont scrape and chip as easy as acrylics
Citadel, I only used for maybe a month, so TBH I can't really remember what it's like to actually paint with. I can just remember INFURIATING FUCKING POTS!!!!!
They're also the most expensive.
About 99% of my paint use is S75 ScaleColour and S75 Fantasy & Games
Geoff is correct on the Skaventide box Vs the Starter Sets. The Skaventide set is a "launch box" for people to get everything in one place; already in the hobby.
ProAcryl gloopy? Are we talking about the same paints? They’re pre thinned because Jason doesn’t use a wet pallet. One of their main selling points is how liquid their paints are? I’m wondering if the change in viscosity has something to do with getting shipped overseas and then freezing on you or something else?
I personally don’t find them gloopy but it’s all personal perception, I suppose - Geoff
Mine is 80% Citadel and 20% Pro Acryl 👍
I could be wrong, but i think the Mecha range are all brush on primers, because they're made to paint straight onto Gunpla without priming. I think! If that's how they work that's a pretty nifty gimmick.
Cheers Dave.
Asking what makes army painter unique with the release of fanatic just shows you haven't looked at it at all, and probably aren't in a position to levy criticism
Please them, what makes Fanatic so Unique amongst the levy of paints available?
I refuse to buy anymore citadel paint until they fix the crappy pots. Especially when 2 thin coats is like a 98% color match.
For the record I have 0 issue with pots on the whole but the pots citadel uses are just garbage quality.
Refuse to try AP fanatic given how trash their original paints were
Zenithol paint =zebra paint
Best paint purchase, bought 5 copies of the bit part magazine part one 1.99 each. Came away with 5 pots each of macragge blue, retribution armour and abaddon black!
Oof, saying citadel is the best straight away is a rough take. The absurd price of those pots, in combination with a terrible pot design that dries out standard paints and spills washes is just not worth it. Plus trying to airbrush those things is a PITA. Vallejo and PA are just better options and speed paints are cheaper than contrast and just as good
Speed paints are ace, I'm a big fan of them of late.
I'd like to add that some Citadel paints, in their current range, have a lot of white inside and that's another minus.
For me it's citadel and army painters (goes to duck behind cover 😂)
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That’s the badger! Good shout.