One point of contention. As somebody who whipes the tip off all my dropper bottles, checks the caps for buildup and closes them at 1/2 speed for the best seal, dropper bottles don't dry out, people are lazy. If you want something to work flawlessly, then you have to do what it takes to get that result. FYI, the best dropper design I've found is from Reaper. The thicker nozzle with the wider base means the neck never splits in transit or from the factory sealing process. So take Reaper's bottle design and combine it with the flexibility and volume of the clear stuff from Vallejo at 18ml, and you'll have the best droppers in the business.
I'm excited by a lot of this! I own the whole P3 range, and use it for 95% of my painting. I like how pots are still a possibility over dropper bottles, and that Mat isn't completely 'bottle-pilled' and sees the upside to pots. I also wanted to say that one of my favorite parts of P3 is that it's not in a 'triad system'. Every paint needs to be mixed to get a shade and highlight, which really makes me feel more involved in my painting. I hope this factor is carried over to the revamp. Looking forward to the Kickstarter, and trying to figure out how to avoid buying the whole range at once.
I've only got a few but my god I wish other paint ranges wet blended the way p3 paints do. I absolutely love the pots, I'm sick of my dropper bottles getting gunked up and exploding everywhere when I squeeze too hard
If you do dropper bottles, it important to use the one that have the sealing cone inside the tip. Those seat that cone into the top of the nozzle and keeps them from leaking or drying out.
I have PTSD from the Citadel paint change of the mid-90s when they changed from the P3 type pots to the black screw on cap paints. As a result I bought out most of my LGS stock of P3. I'll give SFG a chance, but I couldn't risk living through that again.
One more thing: I have the P3 mixing chart and frequently use it. However, there are a gazillion terrific formulations on the old PP community board. It'd be nice to write those up in a professional format.
Thank the HEAVENS for your return of the best paints, P3!! I have nearly full pots of every P3 paint including their inks and washes. P3 never got the love on TH-cam that they deserved. My favourite colour is Skorne Red. I've never seen a sufficient substitute ❤
P3 was revealed in a series of articles by Mike McVey in No Quarter magazine, Privateer Press's equivalent of White Dwarf. It was obvious from the design of the pots the paint was manufactured by HMG Ltd in Manchester who also used to make the Citadel Paint range amongst others. It's interesting HMG don't want their name mentioned. Perhaps this is because the manufacture of miniature paints isn't the company's prime business.
@@Tannhauser42 P3 paints were initially released in WarMachine faction themed packs which contained six pots. The boxes had a sticker on the bottom with HMG's name and address on them.
Hi, I'm a painter from the Philippines and have tried P3. While I loved using it, my biggest problem is that the old caps have a tendency to become brittle and break down.
really enjoyed these discussions, i've only recently started using brands other than citadel so its great to see what else is on offer. On a separate note, whoever keeps liking photos/videos of instagram babes on the painting phase insta account needs to take a cold shower loooool! i see you guys!
What I'd like to know is; once the Kickstarter is long and over and they're being produced en mass, will they continue to do both pot and bottle or will one be disregarded? Because I don't want to be buying a bunch of pots on the Kickstarter only for them to produce them only in droppers. I like dropper bottles but those p3 pots are awesome. I've got a bunch that are like 7 years old I don't get gunked up tips I don't have issues with the pot rim having dried up paint and the paint itself is still really creamy and smooth. I don't have cracked pot lids like other people have, maybe I'm just lucky or maybe I look after my pots better I don't know
Living in the uk i actually don't have issues with p3 pots and i would like them to stay. I understand that folk especially those in dryer countries would like dropper bottles, but personally I'm not a fan. I was going to say, i really hope some colours will stay as well. Especially: Greatcoat Grey, Underbelly Blue,Trollblood Base and Highlight,Exile Blue, Thamar Black, Bog Moss, Jack Bone, Beaten Purple, Bad Bruse, Boiler Black, Radiant Platinum, Pig Iron, Cold Steel, Flesh Wash, Muddy Wash, Armor Was and Blue Ink.
Solid content. Great for learning and newsworthy that really leans into Ross' competencies. Terrific production as well. Much better than the episode with that unhinged AI-dude.
Very excited about a compact/core range going to retail -- i think the original P3 range was a nice size to just buy all of it, and this is looking to be the same. 120 paints are a bit too many for me, so a canonical subset is very welcome!
His comments on the "flattest matte you've seen in your life" really struck home for me. I really loved PA at first and then came to dislike it more and more over my attempts at using it. I switched to Ak and Vallejo's new formulations because they're matte, but not the same level of matte. The biggest problem paint for me that made me really start to dislike PA was actually their standard black paint. I don't mind doing 5 thin layers to get a really nice looking red as opposed to one or two coats that don't end up looking at good. Citadel is too satin for me, but PA and Scale75 are too matte for me as well
It's interesting to see mentions of 'creamyness' with ProAcryl, because if it has a positive property, it's that it doesn't come so thick as to need significant thinning. So when I compare it to Army Painter or Citadel, it's a very different behavior. The major weakness of the matte is that the color changes quite a bit from wet to dry: You have to know that the highlights need to be brighter than you think when wet.
I still have plenty of my p3 paint and it hasn't even dried out or anything. Compared to all my citadel paints that dried out because of those crap pots they put them in.
Idk about p3 paint but current citadel pots absolutely do not keep your paints good. Those are my only paints that have dried out in the container and getting the paint out of that dumb lip lid is a huge hassle
Good video gents and welcome more of this type of content. I have a pretty good track record on business and corporate decision making and my guy says that P3 failed for a reason and this interview did zero to make me think it will succeed as P3 2.0. A bit of stuck in the middle mindset. We want to keep the heritage but need to compete with a lot of great competitors who have come out since our decline and demise. You can’t go half way. His thoughts on keeping the old pots simply is living in the past, a failed one. There IS a reason no one creates new ranges with pots and P3 is not Citadel on the heritage front. Trust me, they will try the pots and other old as and keep a few diehards but lose out in the greater market. I wish them well but I foresee a fail.
The amount of weight that "Coverage" gets these days is just super frustrating because it takes control away from me if the paint is made to have heavy coverage. It also makes it frustrating for new painters because they don't understand these differences so when they have less coverage they freak out and wonder what they are doing wrong whereas they just need a couple more layers. The chemistry of paint is antithetical to that concept. All pigments behave differently. I will always paint 10 layers over an underpaint if I want "coverage" with something like a yellow. It does take time to learn all this but I hope the results look better.
This makes me super nervous, the previous P3 paints were great, now I wait with baited breath to see what the "new" paint is like, why muck about with something which works really well, just make more of what they were already making!
Yes, it is saturated. I have a range of "hobby paints" and "artist paints". And I really really see no point of having to buy more paint. The differences between top brands of paints are very subtle and small.
I’d never buy P3 purely because of the pot. It’s dropper or nothing these days. I can’t help but think this dude is about to flush a bunch of money. P3 doesn’t have great brand power.
Citadel paint has never been in droppers. Inks were for the initial 1989 range, but not the paint. The Citadel paints that people (like me) are using 35 years on are in the same pots as P3 and Coat d'Arms.
@@ajking4836 Steamforged are famous for shafting people on kickstarter.. they also like laying off employees and then post record profits.. Nothing GW hasnt done in the past, but SFG is a more recent example of "be wary".
There are always P3 paints on my desk, happy to see that the range isn't dead.
Hopefully they wont feel too different
Also..... coal black
Really looking forward to the return of Blighted Gold.
If SFG does keep lid style paint pots, please make the lid more durable. I love my P3s but those lids crack and the tabs break off.
I've got the same issue, my Battlefield brown has tape over the top because it split.
Same. I have a lot of tape and celophane on mine keeping it from drying out.
+1000 this
They have unfortunately stated that the "classic pots" are a KS exclusive, in retail they will be available in dropper pots only.
@@kipicbloud I'd rather have droppers, given the issues with the old pots (and the fact I use a wet pallet) this suits me just fine.
One point of contention. As somebody who whipes the tip off all my dropper bottles, checks the caps for buildup and closes them at 1/2 speed for the best seal, dropper bottles don't dry out, people are lazy. If you want something to work flawlessly, then you have to do what it takes to get that result.
FYI, the best dropper design I've found is from Reaper. The thicker nozzle with the wider base means the neck never splits in transit or from the factory sealing process. So take Reaper's bottle design and combine it with the flexibility and volume of the clear stuff from Vallejo at 18ml, and you'll have the best droppers in the business.
Excellent point. Saying people can not provide proof of a good dropper bottle design is lazy also. P3 didn’t work before so let’s do it again.
I found Reaper drop bottles to clog really easily.
I'm excited by a lot of this! I own the whole P3 range, and use it for 95% of my painting. I like how pots are still a possibility over dropper bottles, and that Mat isn't completely 'bottle-pilled' and sees the upside to pots. I also wanted to say that one of my favorite parts of P3 is that it's not in a 'triad system'. Every paint needs to be mixed to get a shade and highlight, which really makes me feel more involved in my painting. I hope this factor is carried over to the revamp. Looking forward to the Kickstarter, and trying to figure out how to avoid buying the whole range at once.
I also have the whole range. Really like how they blend and just works so well with water and never really dry into hard fried up chunks in the pot.
I've only got a few but my god I wish other paint ranges wet blended the way p3 paints do. I absolutely love the pots, I'm sick of my dropper bottles getting gunked up and exploding everywhere when I squeeze too hard
If you do dropper bottles, it important to use the one that have the sealing cone inside the tip. Those seat that cone into the top of the nozzle and keeps them from leaking or drying out.
excited to see the range relaunch!
I have PTSD from the Citadel paint change of the mid-90s when they changed from the P3 type pots to the black screw on cap paints. As a result I bought out most of my LGS stock of P3. I'll give SFG a chance, but I couldn't risk living through that again.
Same thing I did. I got lucky and my lgs had p3 paints for 50 cents a pot and I still have those same paints today.
One more thing: I have the P3 mixing chart and frequently use it. However, there are a gazillion terrific formulations on the old PP community board. It'd be nice to write those up in a professional format.
Thank the HEAVENS for your return of the best paints, P3!!
I have nearly full pots of every P3 paint including their inks and washes. P3 never got the love on TH-cam that they deserved. My favourite colour is Skorne Red. I've never seen a sufficient substitute ❤
Coal Black is identical to Payne's Grey, yeah?
Pretty close. I was really excited to see Pro Acryl had a Payne's Grey which I use now that I'm out of P3 Coal Black.
For me brilliant was mixing guide for p3 paint. As for not so advance painter this was very usefull
Where can I find this please?
@@steveisaak4320 Was on privater press page... and still there is :)
P3 was revealed in a series of articles by Mike McVey in No Quarter magazine, Privateer Press's equivalent of White Dwarf. It was obvious from the design of the pots the paint was manufactured by HMG Ltd in Manchester who also used to make the Citadel Paint range amongst others.
It's interesting HMG don't want their name mentioned. Perhaps this is because the manufacture of miniature paints isn't the company's prime business.
Yeah, it's not really a secret that they also made the Coat D'Arms and Forgeworld paints.
I mean. SO many of the ranges are made by HMG, and not just the ones in those pots...
@@Tannhauser42 P3 paints were initially released in WarMachine faction themed packs which contained six pots. The boxes had a sticker on the bottom with HMG's name and address on them.
Coat D'Arms' latest pots state "Manufactured by HMG"...
Hi, I'm a painter from the Philippines and have tried P3. While I loved using it, my biggest problem is that the old caps have a tendency to become brittle and break down.
really enjoyed these discussions, i've only recently started using brands other than citadel so its great to see what else is on offer.
On a separate note, whoever keeps liking photos/videos of instagram babes on the painting phase insta account needs to take a cold shower loooool! i see you guys!
Hope the metallics remain great, I love the tone of Rhulic Gold. Not tried the non-metallic p3 paints yet. Also put them in dropper bottles!
What I'd like to know is; once the Kickstarter is long and over and they're being produced en mass, will they continue to do both pot and bottle or will one be disregarded? Because I don't want to be buying a bunch of pots on the Kickstarter only for them to produce them only in droppers. I like dropper bottles but those p3 pots are awesome. I've got a bunch that are like 7 years old I don't get gunked up tips I don't have issues with the pot rim having dried up paint and the paint itself is still really creamy and smooth. I don't have cracked pot lids like other people have, maybe I'm just lucky or maybe I look after my pots better I don't know
They’ve says in the kickstarter they’ll only sell droppers at retail. I’ve resigned myself to having to refill pots from droppers moving forward.
@@paintball582 yeah that only works for me if I initially buy the entire set in pots...this Kickstarter hasn't been run well at all imo.
I was just looking for more Gnarls Green.
Living in the uk i actually don't have issues with p3 pots and i would like them to stay.
I understand that folk especially those in dryer countries would like dropper bottles, but personally I'm not a fan.
I was going to say, i really hope some colours will stay as well.
Especially: Greatcoat Grey, Underbelly Blue,Trollblood Base and Highlight,Exile Blue, Thamar Black, Bog Moss, Jack Bone, Beaten Purple, Bad Bruse, Boiler Black, Radiant Platinum, Pig Iron, Cold Steel, Flesh Wash, Muddy Wash, Armor Was and Blue Ink.
Coal Black and Blighted Gold are treasures.
Another paint range to collect... I can't wait... :D :D
Solid content. Great for learning and newsworthy that really leans into Ross' competencies. Terrific production as well. Much better than the episode with that unhinged AI-dude.
Very excited about a compact/core range going to retail -- i think the original P3 range was a nice size to just buy all of it, and this is looking to be the same. 120 paints are a bit too many for me, so a canonical subset is very welcome!
So I'm halfway through an Ultramarines army, and I just want to know if the new cygnar base blue will match the old? (I've run out rip)
His comments on the "flattest matte you've seen in your life" really struck home for me. I really loved PA at first and then came to dislike it more and more over my attempts at using it. I switched to Ak and Vallejo's new formulations because they're matte, but not the same level of matte. The biggest problem paint for me that made me really start to dislike PA was actually their standard black paint. I don't mind doing 5 thin layers to get a really nice looking red as opposed to one or two coats that don't end up looking at good. Citadel is too satin for me, but PA and Scale75 are too matte for me as well
It's interesting to see mentions of 'creamyness' with ProAcryl, because if it has a positive property, it's that it doesn't come so thick as to need significant thinning. So when I compare it to Army Painter or Citadel, it's a very different behavior. The major weakness of the matte is that the color changes quite a bit from wet to dry: You have to know that the highlights need to be brighter than you think when wet.
Astonishing that they haven't decided on the pot yet -- KS will be a major referendum if they really offer 2 options!
I can see P3 paints adding more washes, perhaps. Although you can make a decent wash with the paints 🤔
Could never get p3 in Canada. Always wanted to try them.
I hope these new paints match the old P3 colours.. close to empty on most on mine!
I still use a lot of p3 paints. i love the pallet, and brush feel a lot.
I can fit TWO Citadel pots into ONE Pro Acryl bottle.
and its better paint
I still have plenty of my p3 paint and it hasn't even dried out or anything. Compared to all my citadel paints that dried out because of those crap pots they put them in.
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Certainly the first human, the weird sexbots beat you to the punch 😂
I am curious how many people use P3 inks, or their washes 🤔
Tell me that Greatcoat Grey will be exactly the same!
Idk about p3 paint but current citadel pots absolutely do not keep your paints good. Those are my only paints that have dried out in the container and getting the paint out of that dumb lip lid is a huge hassle
P3 Perfect Pot Paints
P3 means Practice, Patience and Perserverance.
Army Painter does it so no harm P3 doing all paints in one.
Put them in dropper bottles! Great paint pots are garbage in any situation. I don't need a pot to feel nostalgic!!
Don’t do the Duncan Rhodes bottles. Fantastic paints marred by the absolute worst dropper bottles on the market.
24:33 You're breakdown of the "thin your paint" comments was absolutely on the money. I hate that its everywhere and profoundly unhelpful.
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Kimera
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AK 3rd. Gen.
The AK is the number 6 or 1?
Good video gents and welcome more of this type of content. I have a pretty good track record on business and corporate decision making and my guy says that P3 failed for a reason and this interview did zero to make me think it will succeed as P3 2.0. A bit of stuck in the middle mindset. We want to keep the heritage but need to compete with a lot of great competitors who have come out since our decline and demise. You can’t go half way. His thoughts on keeping the old pots simply is living in the past, a failed one. There IS a reason no one creates new ranges with pots and P3 is not Citadel on the heritage front. Trust me, they will try the pots and other old as and keep a few diehards but lose out in the greater market. I wish them well but I foresee a fail.
Pots are superior
In 1995
@@user-mc4sq3fk5dexactly and the paints are still as fresh as day one
The amount of weight that "Coverage" gets these days is just super frustrating because it takes control away from me if the paint is made to have heavy coverage. It also makes it frustrating for new painters because they don't understand these differences so when they have less coverage they freak out and wonder what they are doing wrong whereas they just need a couple more layers. The chemistry of paint is antithetical to that concept. All pigments behave differently. I will always paint 10 layers over an underpaint if I want "coverage" with something like a yellow. It does take time to learn all this but I hope the results look better.
This makes me super nervous, the previous P3 paints were great, now I wait with baited breath to see what the "new" paint is like, why muck about with something which works really well, just make more of what they were already making!
Yes, it is saturated. I have a range of "hobby paints" and "artist paints". And I really really see no point of having to buy more paint. The differences between top brands of paints are very subtle and small.
P3 pots are complete trash. Every single one of my P3 pots has eventually had the caps split open and render the entire pot useless.
Exactly
I don't know how you're opening your lids... I haven't had to replace a single lid, and I've had pots since day 1.
The white caps turn yellow and get brittle. So its clearly an issue with the quality of the plastic they use.
Interesting. Can’t say I’ve experienced that.
I LOVE the pots; don't change 'em.
I’d never buy P3 purely because of the pot.
It’s dropper or nothing these days.
I can’t help but think this dude is about to flush a bunch of money. P3 doesn’t have great brand power.
Spot on
Before pots, citadel paint came in dropper bottles and they can keep for 20 years. Arguing against dropper bottles is so lame, I had to stop watching.
Citadel paint has never been in droppers. Inks were for the initial 1989 range, but not the paint. The Citadel paints that people (like me) are using 35 years on are in the same pots as P3 and Coat d'Arms.
AK has best dropper bottles. But P3 pot is top notch. I would want y’all to keep the pot.
The old P3 paints were great, other paints have a massive advantage though .... you don't give money to Steamforged
I don't get it
@@ajking4836 they are a scuzzy company,
@@ajking4836 Steamforged are famous for shafting people on kickstarter.. they also like laying off employees and then post record profits..
Nothing GW hasnt done in the past, but SFG is a more recent example of "be wary".
to add.. i am not judging them on their past.. they have said they have changed, and i am all for giving people a second chance..
@@ajking4836 Some people have an axe to grind against the company. Imo it's never really made much sense.