Unfortunately Britain is in a very poor position at the moment (in my opinion). The only 2 top tier options for airRB (tornado gr1 is not even worth metioning for ARB) are this and the Harrier both of which struggle compared to other nations aircraft. Whenever britain gets its ADV it will 1 be VERY difficult to grind and 2 will still perform poorly in the current meta and I think this will unfortunately be the case until the typhoon is added wayyyy down the line. My only hope is gaijin adds for example, South African aircraft like the Atlas Cheetah as a tech tree vehicle to bridge the gap between the tornado and typhoon.
They should add the panavia tornado with AIM-120As and AIM-9Ms, not only 9Ls, 2 9Ls and 2 Skyflash for stock way and 4xAIM-9Ms and 4XAIM-120As for spaded, and even with that will still, kinda bad.
Even after they add the ADV britain is gonna be stuck with it till we get the euro typhoon, that is unless gaijin adds common wealth aircraft to the british tree, or they go even more balls to the walls and adds something like the sea harrier FA2 with AMRAAMs or ASRAAMs
@@falkeholz1459 every time i have brung up the idea of britain getting a CF18 or later a Singapore F16c people get super angry mainly american players i would assume
Assuming the flight performance of the F.3 will be the same as the IDS, I get the impression it’ll just be a phantom but more, kind of similar to the relationship the GR.1 has with the Jaguar GR.1A. One interesting option is the Bae Hawk 200, it would be subsonic but still get access to Skyflash and Sidewinders (AMRAAM and ASRAAM too if they ever end up in the game) and the AN/APG-66. It’d probably end up in the same situation the Harrier is now, but it’ll be a bit more capable in A-A combat
Look all you gotta do is try to flank groups and hug the ground forever as far as I'm concerned. F14As and Mig-23 variants are the only real threats that I come across. And for some reason, majority of those guys come down with a mild case of brain sputter the second their active radar missiles miss the mark. They also seem very surprised when my FGR doesn't lose all it's energy in a turn, thanks to ridiculously powerful engines. Radar not bugging out so much anymore either. The plane is not "meta", but its not bad by any means imo.
A BR change to 11 will change nothing at all .... since the MM is "Own Br + max possible" it will still face F 16 and Mig 29 . I liked flying the FGR2 , even against the F 14 , getting 2 Bases and maybe 2 Kills result in a + of Sl . But now with the New prems and F 16 / Mig 29 . No chance to get a base (F16 is faster and enemy prems with all aspect missiles rush both sides of map)) and beeing spottet right after take off ... its no fun at all. The enemys are faster , turn better , have better radar and better missiles and the prems have the advantage of low repaircost . Now i need 3 Kills in a match to get a +. Its a great plane if matched in its BR but in a full uptier , its totaly outclassed.
I would definitely give the FGR.2 the 9L and keep it at 11.3 (and the F-4J(UK) as well tbh) and downtier the FG.1. That way both would feel different enough, with the FGR.2 being the more advanced one. This would also make place for a Tornado ADV with AIM-9L/I-1 and Skyflash super TEMP at 11.7. PD: I'm still not sure about the F-4F... I do think it has a place at 11.3 or 11.0 with 4x9L, not at 10.7 sharing the BR with the F-104...
and what about the british hunter f6? subsonic, no flares, no radar, SRAAMS are fine but considering their short range and that in 10.0 there is AIM 9L and R60M it is just ridiculous that this aircraft still in 10.0.
If they change this phantom then they will have to change other phantoms to make it fair honestly, the f4e and f4e would need a buff aswell if they do end up buffing British phantoms by giving them better missiles
Its so frustrating. I grinded my way up to this Jet (as others didn't seem as appealing). It's shocking. My flares/chaff don't seem to do anything against my opponents missiles. I've rarely had a kill on the Skyflash missiles - and using 9G's at this BR is a joke, we get 9G's at 9.7BR with the Harrier GR3. The only good thing is its speed, but that's not actually a factor that's important in gameplay. Every damn game I die (Unless I skirt around the map, wait until there's a few enemies left with hopefully no flares/chaff and get some sneaky kills - but that's boring)
I still want like a 10.3 f4 that has flares and a better ir missile maybe aim-g. Because God I hate flying against mig 21 and mirage at 10.3 and can't defend myself.
I think it will get 9Ls eventually, the F4EJ Kai with Aim 9Ls, 7Fs and the F16 radar is 11.7 so I think 11.3 would then be fair. I’m a big fan of phantoms and do play the fgr2 a lot, although it definitely has a shout for worst 11.3 at the moment
Mmmmm: Kfir C.7, MiG-27K, F-104S.ASA. Nah fgr.2 is not the worst 11.3,but is really average, and the current british tree is actually an average, have nothing good, but also nothing bad, however even with this I hope they give AIM-9L for the FGR.2, they should replace the AIM-9Ds with the GS in the first way of the grind and replace the GS with the Ls, and also can recive Skyflash 4000 or as you want to call him nvm, Skyflash 4000 is kinda like the british Aspide with better seeker, I hope they add both missiles, also sorry if my einglish suck.
1)you are comparing 10.7 to a 11.3, they see totally different enemies 2) f4f has agile eagle 3) f4f has internal cannon In a way f4f is superior to fgr2, dont really see the point of the comment
@@mattiatrambaiolo8045 10.7 fights up to 11.7 and pretty often I might add. However NOT as often thanks to 12.0 sucking up a lot of the 11.7 so that finally works in its favor but 4x Aim9J and agile Eagle still makes it a worse American Phantom as it can’t even carry as much weapons and at least the American phantom can do some SARH at medium to high alt especially with E-2 sparrows. They COULD give the F-4F its 9Ls, they might be the best heatseekers in game overall but the sea harrier is chilling with 4 of them at 10.7 and it’s not horribly overpowered. Sure it’s not a very good turn fighter or supersonic but the phantom isn’t exactly GREAT at any of that either when compared to Mig-21s, Mig-23s, drakens, viggens, up-engined phantoms, tomcats you know
Watching this video while this vehicle is 12.0 now
Getting to over 400KPH in 13 seconds in a late 60s airframe is pretty funny to me.
This plane is pretty good and the engines are amazing but the only big problem that I have with it is how annoying the radar is to lock
Use pulse Doppler and turn off cyclic cycle for radar in options
Either give it 7Fs (Which the FGR 2 got IRL), or give it 9Ls (which it also got IRL), or give it both and move it to 11.7. and move the FG 1 to 11.0.
SAY NO MORE my fella ...None of both exists in this jet and now it's 12 br
Well this aged badly. At 12.0 its literally useless
Or don’t upgrade it at all and move it to 12.0..
Unfortunately Britain is in a very poor position at the moment (in my opinion). The only 2 top tier options for airRB (tornado gr1 is not even worth metioning for ARB) are this and the Harrier both of which struggle compared to other nations aircraft. Whenever britain gets its ADV it will 1 be VERY difficult to grind and 2 will still perform poorly in the current meta and I think this will unfortunately be the case until the typhoon is added wayyyy down the line. My only hope is gaijin adds for example, South African aircraft like the Atlas Cheetah as a tech tree vehicle to bridge the gap between the tornado and typhoon.
They should add the panavia tornado with AIM-120As and AIM-9Ms, not only 9Ls, 2 9Ls and 2 Skyflash for stock way and 4xAIM-9Ms and 4XAIM-120As for spaded, and even with that will still, kinda bad.
Not anymore 😊
South Africa mentioned! YAY!
Even after they add the ADV britain is gonna be stuck with it till we get the euro typhoon, that is unless gaijin adds common wealth aircraft to the british tree, or they go even more balls to the walls and adds something like the sea harrier FA2 with AMRAAMs or ASRAAMs
Britain could also potentially get Canadian f18s
@@falkeholz1459 every time i have brung up the idea of britain getting a CF18 or later a Singapore F16c people get super angry mainly american players i would assume
atlas cheetah (mirage/ South african )
ahm…germany? 🤗
italy…
Assuming the flight performance of the F.3 will be the same as the IDS, I get the impression it’ll just be a phantom but more, kind of similar to the relationship the GR.1 has with the Jaguar GR.1A.
One interesting option is the Bae Hawk 200, it would be subsonic but still get access to Skyflash and Sidewinders (AMRAAM and ASRAAM too if they ever end up in the game) and the AN/APG-66. It’d probably end up in the same situation the Harrier is now, but it’ll be a bit more capable in A-A combat
I'm actually grinding for that plane. It will be my first F4 Phantom
Be prepared for a painful stock grind. I ain’t even finished but I already want to kill myself
@jamiehadley hi, it's me from the future, it was hellish, but now, full equip is a quite good plane.
Thx for the advice dude
Look all you gotta do is try to flank groups and hug the ground forever as far as I'm concerned. F14As and Mig-23 variants are the only real threats that I come across. And for some reason, majority of those guys come down with a mild case of brain sputter the second their active radar missiles miss the mark. They also seem very surprised when my FGR doesn't lose all it's energy in a turn, thanks to ridiculously powerful engines. Radar not bugging out so much anymore either. The plane is not "meta", but its not bad by any means imo.
A BR change to 11 will change nothing at all .... since the MM is "Own Br + max possible" it will still face F 16 and Mig 29 . I liked flying the FGR2 , even against the F 14 , getting 2 Bases and maybe 2 Kills result in a + of Sl . But now with the New prems and F 16 / Mig 29 . No chance to get a base (F16 is faster and enemy prems with all aspect missiles rush both sides of map)) and beeing spottet right after take off ... its no fun at all. The enemys are faster , turn better , have better radar and better missiles and the prems have the advantage of low repaircost . Now i need 3 Kills in a match to get a +. Its a great plane if matched in its BR but in a full uptier , its totaly outclassed.
I would definitely give the FGR.2 the 9L and keep it at 11.3 (and the F-4J(UK) as well tbh) and downtier the FG.1. That way both would feel different enough, with the FGR.2 being the more advanced one. This would also make place for a Tornado ADV with AIM-9L/I-1 and Skyflash super TEMP at 11.7.
PD: I'm still not sure about the F-4F... I do think it has a place at 11.3 or 11.0 with 4x9L, not at 10.7 sharing the BR with the F-104...
and what about the british hunter f6? subsonic, no flares, no radar, SRAAMS are fine but considering their short range and that in 10.0 there is AIM 9L and R60M it is just ridiculous that this aircraft still in 10.0.
7:18 XF-2A from 1995 can be added in next patch beacuse it doesn't have AESA radar only AN/APQ-65 (which is F/A-18 radar)
Ur a noob
@@wardogleader3200 ?
yep, british phantom may shoot all aspect ir missile, but the version seems like the fgr3, now we got is the fgr2. so....
If they change this phantom then they will have to change other phantoms to make it fair honestly, the f4e and f4e would need a buff aswell if they do end up buffing British phantoms by giving them better missiles
We must need the tornado f3 adv
Its so frustrating. I grinded my way up to this Jet (as others didn't seem as appealing). It's shocking. My flares/chaff don't seem to do anything against my opponents missiles. I've rarely had a kill on the Skyflash missiles - and using 9G's at this BR is a joke, we get 9G's at 9.7BR with the Harrier GR3. The only good thing is its speed, but that's not actually a factor that's important in gameplay.
Every damn game I die (Unless I skirt around the map, wait until there's a few enemies left with hopefully no flares/chaff and get some sneaky kills - but that's boring)
Same here, got into my first game, did shit, blamed myself then realised it was just sh** for 12.0
I actually love playing this aircraft
I still want like a 10.3 f4 that has flares and a better ir missile maybe aim-g. Because God I hate flying against mig 21 and mirage at 10.3 and can't defend myself.
It needs to go down to 11.0-10.7 or stay where it is and get better missiles
I heavily use the fg1, love it more than the f4e (us), but the relatively low flare count really sucks
I think it will get 9Ls eventually, the F4EJ Kai with Aim 9Ls, 7Fs and the F16 radar is 11.7 so I think 11.3 would then be fair. I’m a big fan of phantoms and do play the fgr2 a lot, although it definitely has a shout for worst 11.3 at the moment
Smin said multiple times they won't give it 9Ls, probably because they are adding the Tornado ADV soon
Mmmmm: Kfir C.7, MiG-27K, F-104S.ASA. Nah fgr.2 is not the worst 11.3,but is really average, and the current british tree is actually an average, have nothing good, but also nothing bad, however even with this I hope they give AIM-9L for the FGR.2, they should replace the AIM-9Ds with the GS in the first way of the grind and replace the GS with the Ls, and also can recive Skyflash 4000 or as you want to call him nvm, Skyflash 4000 is kinda like the british Aspide with better seeker, I hope they add both missiles, also sorry if my einglish suck.
@@wardogleader3200 the 4000 was only used in the Tornado tho
Esse avião é bom a 27km dá para duelar a a alta altitude, mas exige técnica e habilidade
Only allowed to give better missles to premium aircraft and then give it lower br
I just got the fg1 and its good even though im like basically stock
I have the FGR 2 and don't understand the struggle either I do well in It stock ahhaha
Tfk u on about, the cannon is this planes main weapon, it shreds planes
its really not bad at all if you know how to play the game
Meanwhile F-4F has no Ls no radar, not even any new engines
1)you are comparing 10.7 to a 11.3, they see totally different enemies
2) f4f has agile eagle
3) f4f has internal cannon
In a way f4f is superior to fgr2, dont really see the point of the comment
@@mattiatrambaiolo8045 10.7 fights up to 11.7 and pretty often I might add. However NOT as often thanks to 12.0 sucking up a lot of the 11.7 so that finally works in its favor but 4x Aim9J and agile Eagle still makes it a worse American Phantom as it can’t even carry as much weapons and at least the American phantom can do some SARH at medium to high alt especially with E-2 sparrows. They COULD give the F-4F its 9Ls, they might be the best heatseekers in game overall but the sea harrier is chilling with 4 of them at 10.7 and it’s not horribly overpowered. Sure it’s not a very good turn fighter or supersonic but the phantom isn’t exactly GREAT at any of that either when compared to Mig-21s, Mig-23s, drakens, viggens, up-engined phantoms, tomcats you know
@@Klaus_Klavier sea harrier has 9.7 performance thats why it gets aim9l at 10.7, f4f should at least go back to 11.0 if it wanted aim9l
@@mattiatrambaiolo8045 I’d be fine with that to be honest
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fgr2 should be 10.3 with aim 9L