This NEEDS TO STOP -- Star Wars is STILL STEALING fan art!
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- Star Wars continues to STEAL Star Wars Fan art without credit. It's lazy and it needs to stop!
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Ok
Begun the theft wars has..
EckhartsLadder you do need to realize that Fractal Sponge’s model is basically the official model of the Juggernaut. He just rendered it and changed a few things up. Stuff like the Bellator or the Asserter are original models even though it’s based off of the star destroyer. If Fractal Sponge tried to sue Disney, Disney could easily bring up the fact that his model is based off of official LucasFilm work. Also I saw a comment from someone named Logan saying “Wanna be friends,” eck please don’t comment back to him, subscribe to him, or even like his comment as it would get your channel hacked. 2 factor can’t even stop it. Can you please make a video on this as it could save many accounts.
Ok
lawsuit/class action possibilities?
Sneak something incredibly offensive into the fanart, see if they copy the whole thing.
YES
Put the Padme Noseart on every single ship you render, since Disney clearly didn’t want that being shown
I wonder if there's any simple geometric patterns that could blend into armor plating that someone would find incredibly offensive?
RegalPlays I don’t know what that is but a better idea is how about maybe putting your name in fine print visible from every angle so they have to actually edit it besides taking the background out and putting a filter and editing lighting!
@@regalplays7135 that was actually in a Rebels episode
They should hire the fan art if they keep stealing fan art. Great video
They’re Disney. Where would they get the cash? Poor pauper of a company.
Why should they? If they get away with stealing
Why pay for services when you can steal it for free?
dont betrippin I know but they shouldn’t I think you mean why would they
atracin because it’s morally wrong
Imagine working for star wars, having all the assets from all the movies, series, comics, etc, and you go out of your way to NOT use it. Instead, you steal fans art and not crediting them for it.
that's the kinda people I don't want my people knowing hehehe boycott Disney
Are we even sure that external freelancer artists get to use 3D assets from the company?
This shit really confuses me. I mean they don't even steal the picture directly..? They traced it, am I right? And it doesn't look bad, so the artist is probably capable of drawing. I understand that he has to do this shit with incredibly fast speed, I can understand that it's a tiring job and that you get lazy over the time or just can't come up with the right picture. But I don't understand why they have to steal fanart, lol. I mean come on! Especially stuff like the LAAT ships or Stardestroyers! There are thousands of downloadable textured models out there, you don't even have to pose them like humanoid characters, you just download the model, put some light on it and you're done. This doesn't even take 5 minutes and you can trace this model after arranging it in the perfect angle...
@@TheHeavySugar It appears not, but that's equally damning.
The thing is that Disney owns ALL intelligent property that regards Star Wars.
And, as they do, they can claim your art as an infringement on their property.
How do I know that? Because I've received a cease and desist letter from Disney in the past regarding using their property in own art.....
In the comic book industry, the artists rarely ever given offical reference art. They are forced to seek out reference online, and are very often on a tight deadline where they have a publisher breathing down their necks.
This unfortunately results in the artists using unofficial, or fan created reference. Now typically a good artist of any level will go above tracing... But some don't, for various reason- which I'm not gonna get into. But that results in the 1 to 1 copying seen here.
But the real problem is the publishers who make it difficult for the artists to even know what's offical reference and what isn't.
Take into account that the corperates mindset towards copyright, especially at some of the larger companies who have generally always had a rocky relationship with fan content and it gets worse.
Partially that some companies that own multiple multi-billion dollar franchises treat fan artists as playing in their sandbox, and that anything that a fan artist creates that's connected to something they own, the companies say is not them stealing from artists, but artists stealing from them, and that the company has the right to use allegedly IP infringing creations however they see fit.
This isn't right of the companies, but I don't know any fan artists who have the resources to go to court against the Hollywood high rollers who own these franchises.
And the cases that do go to court, tend to get settled out of court for who knows how much.
Point is. These artists probably didn't even know they were stealing someone else's work, and if they were worried about it- someone in the editorial/corperate chain probably told them not to worry about it.
The issue honestly needs to be pressed with the execs at the companies I have been intentionally attempting to avoid naming - for professional reasons.
Everyone, from the artists, to the editors, to the publishers should be doing due diligence on their sources. But often either lack the time (artists) or don't care (companies).
And yes, I do hear some people saying that "I have time as an artist to check, they should too" - pro artists typically have several projects simultaneously and have several editors breathing down their back. They're often lucky if they make the deadline with little to no interference from life.
And yes, my experience primarily comes from comics, and my studies in college to go fully pro- but I can imagine similar issues pop up for the typical professional illustrator as well.
Of course this is just my thoughts based on the facts I know regarding the commerical art industry.
How to fix it? Dunno really, (because those darned companies again), but I can imagine if this gets enough notice on social media someone's gonna start paying attention.... I just hope they're benevolent.
(Also to echo people's other comments, yes they really should hire more fan artists if they clearly keep mistaking these people's work for offical stuff.... But who knows what goes on in the mind of a mouse)
Smol Greedy Mind Mouse*
So basically the thought is since its a fan work of a property THEY own technically THEY own it as well due to intellectual property stuff?
Like how that one crime author outright stole and republished fanfiction?
i was going to comment on this exact same thing. and this problem is not just in comic book industry, movies and games also share this problem to some extend. its just in those industry, most concept art and such are for internal use only. and they would have additional time to fix any problematic materials if they do need to make these art work public. i even know this old artist from Disney's golden age who were call up to Disney to "show them his new paintings" and then proceed to photo copy all of them behind his back. and his book on composition and lights that uses some of his artworks he did for Disney from back in the days as example still haven't gone into print yet because Disney spend 2 years reviewing his book to make sure there arent any "copy right issue". sad to see those old timers whom inspire me to pursuit this line of work being so resentful to this industry they build.
@@The_D0C70R well actually fan art can be considered a derivative work. Therefore the companies aren't "stealing" anything. It isn't morally right but it also isn't illegal.
@@fermitthekrog6318 Unfortunately I have to agree. Sandbox and whatnot. It should fall on the Art Directors to enforce a policy of freelancers and subcontractors providing all reference materials when submitting a layout. Along with links to said references in case they need to contact the fan artist for credit. Since these guys are overworked anyway, more talent on deck actually shares the load and Disney has the pockets to bring on a few more hands anyways so it's a win/win.
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This sucks, I’m not surprised unfortunately 😪
True...
Yeah. Disney.
@John Alejandro Yeah, these days you can’t even write racial abuse in excrement on someone’s car without the all those feminist, Marxist, Trans/LGBT, Jews getting offended. 🤦♂️
It's their property disney can claim all the fanart they want
@@xander8636 legally, yes, but morally it is messed up to do so
Wow that’s pretty bad... you can see they didn’t even remove the peg on the A-Wing 0:55
I’m disappointed that so many of these images are carbon-copied 4:34
Didn’t know you watched eck
Sad asf
University students: Paraphrases text and forgets to cite
*Gets expelled for academic dishonesty*
Multibillion dollar company Disney: Blatantly steals fan art
*No action*
It's the fan who does the stealing.
Star wars is the intellectual property of Disney and Lucas films.
They can use everything they want.
@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky wrong. Disney owns the rights to anything star wars related. Fan art falls under intellectual property and can be used
Can I meme your comment? XD
@@eskiltester3913 As a student of law you are incorrect. Star Wars is an open and fair use brand, allowing fan art to be made. Fans CANNOT copy characters such as Thrawn or Luke and claim it as their own, those characters are copyright. So in essence Disney is in fact stealing from the fans and should be punished accordingly
@@eskiltester3913 nope fan art is covered under fair use stealing someone's idea or interpretation of that idea is theft.
Disney: buys Lucasfilm from George Lucas
Disney: takes all credit for both the good and bad things that modern era Lucasfilm pumps out
“WE STAND HERE AMIDST MY ACHIEVEMENT, NOT YOURS!” -Lucasfilm
“You. Take orders. From me!” -Disney board of directors
The fan artists caught in the middle of it all: “I see through the lies of the board of directors!”
fan artists: get punished by having their art stolen by the board of directors
(sorry I completely revamped the original comment due to some people being confused)
Nice reuse of the quote something they created used against them to attack something they stole the perfect time and way to use a quote never more has there been a more perfect quote used or at least that I can remember
I feel like that should be the other way around, fans to Disney but yeah.
Captain Freeze 74 I originally was going to use it that way but star wars isn’t the fan artists creation
More like George Lucas to Disney
@@Spartan086
Well, it isn't Disney creation either...
As someone studying to become an artist, this is one of my worst nightmares. I hate it when big companies especially steal art. Smaller "artists" won't be noticed, so as wrong as it it, they won't gain much from it, but when companies that are actually noticed do it, it's awful since they'll be making money off of other people's work.
Sounds like a you problem.
brickswithfun the again the juggernaut is an official LucasFilm property. Fractal Sponge only changed up a few things and rendered it.
@@N120Xeno yes but they did not make the fan model it is ethically wrong I have experience with modeling and I can tell you this is stupid the people who do this just google search these renders copy paste on the image and then charge you money as if they made a full product too bad the U.S. sucks these companies dry and wont protect the consumer from this B.S.
Seem more likely that the 3d modelling is outsourced to some underpaid dudes in India who've never watched any Star Wars, so they just google whatever ship the big studio need modelling and do it based on whatever they find, including fan art and the such. Smol "artists" stealin' from other smol "artists" while the big companies are too big to care is what's happening.
@@wlm1697 the need to off yourself is a you problem.
If they had asked, it would have been an honor.
But because they didn’t, it sucks
Meh. Not so much of an honor these days.
Seriously, fuck Disney and Lucasfilm for how they've handled Star Wars these past few years.
Fluffbutt Alex
Unfortunately I can’t argue with that.....
@@AlexanderBruyns It could have been way worse
As someone heavily invested in the art community and an artist myself, I thought I'd share my own two cents:
Within the art community, the idea of tracing/referencing can be divided into three categories: There's tracing, copying, and referencing. Tracing is drawing over an image or photo to replicate it; I see a picture of Obi-Wan, I draw over it to make the same image. Copying is observing an image to replicate it; I see a picture of Obi-Wan, I don't draw over it but I still try to replicate the exact image, using the picture as my only reference. And referencing is observing/viewing an image to help guide the creation of my own image; Maybe this picture of Kenobi shows him in a particular pose, and I use that, along with a few other images to get a good idea of what he/his outfit/other paraphernalia might look like from a specific angle, similar to how many comic artists may use the photos of celebrities to get an idea of what a character might look like (When designing MJ for Spiderman, artist John Romita Sr. used photos of Ann-Margret to help guide his illustrations, poses, and coloring.).
Many comic artists and illustrators are known to trace, copy, and reference; no one draws from memory unless you're the Chosen One. As such, many artists encourage others to draw from reference/copy. For reference, it's generally ok in posting/profit/publication, instead of using a picture of a Y-wing to draw it at the exact same angle (Like the artist in the video did), you would use various Y-wing images as a reference to draw one at your own angle. In the case of copying/tracing, however (In the realm of non-personal/private work; posting/publishing/for-profit), there is a ***huge*** caveat, as you should only be using images you either a: have access to/can legally use (i.e, public domain stuff, images released with this *explicitly stated*, or company art assets (The last one is completely fine but some people won't take kindly to it if you're tracing directly from something like a Star Wars film. It's legal and all, (If you're an artist for SW) but people typically also expect a higher degree of quality/effort) or b: images you create/take yourself (i.e, taking pictures of myself in specific poses to trace/copy over, images I took of geometric objects to get a sense of spacing, etc.). Anything outside of this is generally taboo (and sometimes illegal but cases, where someone was sued, are rare to my knowledge. (Feel free to correct me, however)), even within the realm of an intellectual property tracing/copying fan-made creations.
I just wanted to kind of clear up some definitions/also hopefully add some nuance to this discussion but all in all, it's really sad to see this happening. I doubt it's the explicit orders from higher-ups (As an artist are typically just given the assignment and then release it to the publishers/writers without any constant oversight to check if the work was traced/copied) and my guess is that those who commissioned the artists didn't know about the tracing. But it also makes you wonder whether or not it's just the bad actions of a couple of artists or potentially the work conditions/company business practices the artists have found themselves in. I wouldn't be surprised if these artists worked under immense pressure with strict deadlines and as such had to put productivity over quality/effort. It's unfortunate to see and I hope some change happens through the awareness you and others are spreading Eck.
They’re still doing this?? Ridiculous.
I can't like because it's at 69 :(
Even the almighty Emperor himself has standards!
They are so bad, you and the Jedi would never do worse
did u cloned that green thing that can move objects with its mind?
@@sugdolomar who ever those this diserves to experience the full power of the Dark Side!
When criticizing the comics, you should specify "Marvel Star Wars" if it is their book. Marvel has a long history of artists cheating in order to meet unrealistic deadlines.
Finally someone who understand problem, instead blindly hating Disney for no reason!
@@TheRezro still, FUCK disney that greedy plague ridden rat
@@CBRN-115 They are and always were corporation. One of better and pro-human on top of that. So people should stop acting childishly and be surprised that Fairy Godmother in Shrek is Michael Eisner. That literally was the point.
@@TheRezro pro human?
Literally so naive.
The Disney Cruise ship would stop at Estein island, and you're saying 2+2=5.
@@Varunic219 In opposition to babies thinking that Disney is more evil then military conglomerate? Disney is a corporation, no one denying that. But there were retards who were crying that Star Wars didn't go to Comcast. You know, campany extorting money from overpriced interned, due to partial monopoly. But even in comparison to Werner or Hasbro who buttfuck fans with iron spike, they far from being bad. Denying that due to entitlement is the real naivety here. So grow up, kid 0_0
Disney when they realize fans are catching on: Not again, obi wan is going to kill me...
I wish he did.
Disney doesn't have anything to do with this artist
Gamer King Disney owns star wars
Yeah Disney like a black hole they take and don't let go
I totally will.
Legally saying, if they steal models personally made by artists, the artist has all the rights to sue the company.
Although im in a different study, modelling is a part of my study and there is a rule stating that if you were the one whom model and render the model, it is your own and under a certain law (artist protection law) you are the sole owner of this piece and require permission from others before they use it.
Not only that but since some models i heard are unofficial (fanmade), the star wars company cannot declare it a part of their ownership as it is (inspired) from their works and not directly (copied) from existing works. Pretty much if the model is your own make, you can either pay 20 usd for the patent of the idea and take legal action to sue the company for portions of the sales profit or use the artist protection law to sue them. Trust me the pay is worthwhile if you win and with a patent to the art, you pretty much have a 90% chance of getting a 50-50 cut of the profits of the sales figure.
Either way you have all the right to sue them if its your own work and make sure you get a good paycheck from it.
They can sue...If they they copyrighted it.
First we are talking about a multi billion dollar company. No artist has the resources to fight that kind of business. Also I'm not sure if your right regarding the law. Fan art uses the IP and so long as copy right law doesn't change, fan artist can't do anything about unless they claim it's not start wars art.
@@adamvaz9097 the artists need a union/unified group to fight against this BS...
@@dr.vanilla9017 In the US, at least, artists immediately own their own works. They may not own the intellectual property portrayed in their works, in which case they can't sell it, but they still own the work itself, so the people who do own the IP can't sell it either.
@@adamvaz9097 There are plenty of lawyers who would take cases like this pro bono, specifically because "protecting the little guy from the big corporation" is good PR. Also, crowd funding is a thing, and I guarantee that if Ek and some other Star Wars fan content creators gave a shout out, the money would be raised in a snap
I can't believe Disney hasn't gotten in trouble for this yet
Like they would care
Well it’s their IP.
@@N120Xeno So what?I'm waiting for the day Disney gets sued for this. Its gonna be hilarious
It's because it's kind of a grey area. Ethically obviously immoral. Legally, ehhh, not clear if the fan art creators really have all the rights either.
Disney gotten away with worse for decades and what? You're going to sue them?
This totally legitimises piracy, if they feel they can do this to other people, then they have no defence for it being done to them.
and people wonder why i wont pay to watch the mouse owned shows
Then why don't these people sue for plagiarism?
@@jacobstarr9010 because they dont have the money to go after them
Downloading movies isn't "piracy"....it's just knowing how to get the most for your money that you pay to use the internet...if you pay for the internet, and it's on the internet, then it's fair game. If they don't want you downloading it then they need to take steps, with their vast resources, to prevent it...instead of trying to sue someone who probably doesn't have any money, since they're downloading shit as it is.
@@jacobstarr9010 They try, but the law is up for sale to he who can afford it.
Fans: "I have the moral high ground"
Disney: "You underestimate my power"
*Disney ends up like Skywalker*
Disney now starts its own military and government.
Not likely
@@cherryuyramos9995 They don't need to...thanks to capitalism, they can just buy a couple more politicians and they can use our military however they want...Halliburton literally does it all the time...this is why the US has been bombing weddings, schools, hospitals, and first responders in the Middle East almost constantly since the late 40's. This is also why the CIA keeps attempting coups in Venezuela and other parts of South and Central America...
“I used the stones to destroy the stones”
Lol
Not again, obi wan is gonna kill me
@@lecapitaine5937
Nice picture 👍👍
How bout we just throw the stones through Disney's windows and call it a day
As someone who doesn’t know anything about the law, it seems like a grey area. Especially with Disney’s very-well-paid lawyer team, I assume they could get away with this from a legal standpoint, and they would only lose out if the entire community started boycotting them.
It openly shows the companies lack of skill and talent in the area though, it makes the community wonder whether they are even capable of doing their job if someone else is putting up the high caliber art.
logan patterson agreed but think morally it’s just wrong
I trust Echs take on this, he is a lawyer after all.
It isnt theft... if the artwork was never copyrighted, its perfectly legal and if they tried copyrighting it, they'd get fucked for trying to copyright something that isnt their IP. It's the artists own fault. Also worth mentioning the models used were only detailed by the artists, they were based of already existing models ripped from disneys ip
@@ju2tic3 An IP they didnt originally make, which leads back into the fact it raises questions about their capability to create and manage their own material if they take such obvious shortcuts. We didnt argue it wasnt above board in this comment chain, but that it raises eyebrows that its happened so often. I think, and hope, you were replying to someone else in another thread.
They should pay the artist. You can see the greediness on disney
That's the incredible thing, it is greedy, its unethical, its a disgusting practice that preys upon their own community. It's also technically legal and within their rights. sometimes they actually do break the law though, like when they steal original designs (and i mean original original, it has to be a whole new thing) with the paper thin excuse that it was meant for their universe but that would never hold up in a courtroom.
@@itshunni8346 Lucasfilm did this long before Disney did guys.
@@Kaloshen yes the still make Disney the whipping boy when most don't even know what is going on. And this isnt exclusive to Disney.
Of course they are still stealing stuff. Why do people not get how garbage Disney is in general which overly extends to Lucasfilm. Why?
This doesn't really have anything to do with Disney. It was happening before them, and it has simply continued to. The companies and artists that do this are way down below what Disney oversees themselves. If you are going to harp on Disney, stick to what they are actually guilty of.
@@ZeStreD
Way down below what Disney sees?
What?
This isn't some silent partner type situation. All the people who worked on this, with the exception of private contractors, are Disney employees.
Just because the board of directors are not checking all products personally, that doesn't somehow distance Disney from the products that it produces
@@ricomock2 Most of the products these stolen artworks are put into are signed off on by Disney and then overseen by smaller middle-man companies. Disney has no idea these things happen case-by-case. Experienced business-people will likely realize such stuff is done when making third-end products. But even megacorps dont have the oversight to ensure sub-contractors follow these kinds of ethics. The only thing they can do is crackdown on it when it comes to their attention.
Star Wars artists: Not again. Eckhartsladder is going to kill me!
Everything Disney is doing is becoming more and more sketchy no pun intended
Disney has always been sketchy really when you think about it
Technically, this was FFG
Greater Grievobeast 55 haha lol
Disney could probably get away with murder
Wizard ninja probably?
Why is it u get an failing mark in school for stealing someones work but a big company will do it and lots of people will turn a blind eye?
For the same reason that if you don't declare a small amount of owed tax, you get treated differently than a multimillion corporation whose accounts run through havens: because the law does not treat everyone equally.
One of Fractal's SD models was used in a 'Force Unleashed' teaser trailer without permission, which is why he stopped putting his models up for download.
They could just buy it or ask for it, not like Disney is short on cash.
Ya after what they spent on fox common like they can’t buy it and like they can’t just ask I mean who would say no even without being paid
They honestly might be especially all the bad decisions they've made and the Coronavirus.
@@justiron2999 Based on what Mr H Reviews has said over the past month, they're probably in bad shape right now. After all, there's been talk that apple or someone else may try to buy them...
This fan art stealing also happened before Disney bought LucasFilm, this problem is decades old.
Plus LucasFilm might not even know it happened until after the fact when videos like this come out.
I doubt the people who look over these books/comic have a encyclopedic knowledge of every single piece of FanArt out there, as there's billions of it.
That doesn't make it right, stealing is wrong I'm not defending this, but it's almost impossible to know if the art an artist used was stolen from somewhere unless someone recognizes it. The only way to truly prevent it would be spying on the artists when they're making it, or just drill it into the artists head that they'll be fined or fired if they're caught doing this.
You make a really good point, No You. I was thinking along the same lines when he mentioned the table-top game and comics.
This is ridiculous, it’s blatant and lazy, they literally just used the models and changed the background. Why can’t they at the very least ask permission?!
Agreed I mean what Star Wars fan wouldn’t want there art being used! So who would say no? I mean even if they weren’t being paid!
@RebelCommander7 Star Wars Jurassic Exactly, they should at least ask, it’s just the polite thing to do
The Mouse claims ownership over all of Star Wars including your tweets and fan art.
@@isaiahhighley8959 Tracing is common practice in comic. In some cases it work, but in this case someone transparenty fuck up.
@@Lahiss Proves. Or fuck off hipster 0_0
Funny thing is Disney will sue anybody who even makes a drawing of a mouse with clothes
But when they steal it’s all fine
Having worked in the book design industry, I can tell you that cover art is commissioned. It’s incumbent on the commissioned artist to ensure that they’re producing original art or to inform have the publisher of referenced art so the publisher can procure use of photography or renderings used in a composite. I’d bet that the publishers don’t know - that’s why they commission unique art. I’d start the blame with the commissioned artists.
What funny is how much Disney spend to extend copyright to protect Micky
This doesn’t even piss me off anymore it just makes me more depressed. It really shows where the actual talent and creativity of Star Wars is.
It used to be with Star Wars and official Star Wars creators but now? I just hope John favero is put in charge and changes all this (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) well at least everyone writing the Star Wars stories book TV movie or the story of the comic isn’t stealing the story just the art so we know at least the Star Wars authors never stole anything but can we San for certain anyone else didn’t steal? But you can tell with some people they didn’t but can never know for certain
Not working for it.
It's getting to the point where I feel just as guilty for buying stuff as I used to in college when I couldn't afford it and borrowed or pirated stuff just to keep abreast of what was out there.
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagiarism? I thought not, it's not a story Disney would tell you.
“Begun the art theft wars has”..
I sense a plot to destroy legally having to credit artists.
They did it to copyright law so Mikey mouse isn’t in public domain
Yes eckhart let the anger flow through you!
It’s not cool that they steal the fan arts and they don’t even credit the artists. But one good side of that is that creations of fans are not ignored and often makes their appearance in the canon universe !
this is an example of a continued litany of bad practice by Disney, i am very surprised that a class action lawsuit over the issue of art theft has not happened yet
Typically i dont touch myself to Ecks videos, however this one was a rare acception.
Ayo what
This is going too far. Disney can’t make their own content
I know right it’s either a remake built on the capitalization of nostalgia or a sequel to make money and for no other reason than they know that that sequel will make them money! Marvel maybe out of that idk? Although there was onward which was good as well that was the one thing that’s going for them that’s completely not what I listed above
@@rebelcommander7starwarsjur922 That's why they make live versions of original Disney anime, cause they can't create descent movies. The most recent ones are garbage anyways. Walt Disney would be so infuriated how lazy his future movie producers and narrators are.
@@johnreeves2422 it's your opinion that Disney can't make decent movies it is very clear the majority of the people like what disney is doing as they are making billions with movies
Dokterjack Nah dip Sherlock Holmes, I thought it was your opinion.🙄Ofc Disney makes billions of dollars for people who enjoy their content. But I’m talking about real life versions of Original Disney anime, I wasn’t referring to anything else, their other movies are doing alright.
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It’s like they’re running out of ships to turn canon so they be resorting to steal fan art and declare “YEP DIS IS CANON NOW”
Reminds me of back when the Darth Revan action figure came out and the art on the packaging was from a costume-maker called Wicked Armor. As I recall he didn't know they used it til the figure came out.
thank you for covering this eck, you corey and fractal sponge are absolute legends that the star wars community needs now more than ever
You know the ones paying for the art are also being tricked here.
Artist: Lets Steal StarWars Copyrighted designs and slightly edit them.
Starwars: Hey, this guy stole our work, Lets steal his work too.
Artist: THIEF!
What if artists started mixing in stuff from other IPs? As a kind of watermark. So when they just take images from fans they would unintentionally be stealing from another company. Might get some people with lawyers involved.
Then the companies would stop to allow any fanart/game mods/... and sue every artist who puts something with their IP online.
Hey Eckhart, didnt disney make it Legal for them to "steal/borrow without asking" fanart of their products. This is no excuse I'm making for them, but I do remember this being a thing.
So they still do have a Moral duty to ask/pay/whatever the artist, but legally I don't think they do since Disney changed their laws. I couldnt remember more of it right now, I just thought you should know so maybe you could help artists more.
Disney doesn't have laws. Countries have laws. And no country allows for this
Disney being allowed to steal artwork would be extremely ridiculous.
I really miss the good old Star Wars comics by Dark Horse. So far I've been mostly disappointed by the ones by Marvel.
Rip Star Wars Legacy vol 3
...yes...
@@raicattivo...yes...unfortunately I can not get all three.
Only two were released tho ?
@@raicattivo advantage better model 50
Great video! Id just like to point out (in case you didn't notice) that it cuts you off in the middle of saying "enjo-" and starts the outro.
Honestly, Disney just needs to hire Fractal full time to be in charge of everything like ship designs. He knows more about how ships should look than the people working there now.
Yes! True.
"hope you guys enj-"
8:02
We certainly enj.
While I hate to see Fractal's work stolen, His stuff is good enough I consider it cannon anyway. Lucasfilm/Disney should just offer a contract or something to use all of his stuff.
@EckhartsLadder www.artstation.com/vladracean is the artist's artstation.com profile. He appears to have removed that picture of the tanks, y-wings, and transports around the Jedi Temple. The thumbnail is still present in his gallery but when you click it it has a 404 link.
They also made the Juggernaught drive backwards.
Remember in the movie the Juggernaught drives with the small seperate part in the REAR, not in the front.
@Jeebus23 Yes, but there is an intentional front and rear, and often they are depicted moving with the butt in front.
Get rid of Kennedy. She doesn’t care about this community in any other way than making money.
I hate to tell you but Kennedy isn't directly verifying merch for the entire franchise, I hate her as much as the next guy, But illogically blaming the head that you see is why the community is as fucked as it is. If you're going to blame, do research, look shit up, don't spout off nonsense if you don't know who is actually the issue. It makes you look stupid, and might motivate others to make uniformed, idiotic decisions as well. Should she be removed? Of course, but you want to go after Adam Ball, the lead financial director at Disney for this. It took two seconds to google that, and I didn't make a stupid accusation that would spread false information :)
yeah i don’t understand why people think she’s some sort of all knowing god that is in control of everything. you can’t just blame everything on one person cuz she’s not the one doing it. direct your anger at the artists at Marvel Comics who actually did the stealing
zalgo I think there would be more to dispute there than just firing a financial lead at Disney would solve the more localized problem of Star Wars specifically stealing fan art. The leaders of Star Wars should be held more responsible since they can take more immediate action on the property than Disney as a giant corporation. I don’t think it’s an absurd thing to cast blame on her since she is more directly involved than a Disney suit.
Kennedy? Like the president
zalgo SIMP
*disney is stealing art
Why assume its Disney?
Because Disney owns of Lucasfilm, lol
@@tyranusarchive6984 Just because Disney owns Lucasfilm does not mean they are the ones who steal art. Your problem should be with the person who steals the art, not the company.
@@HenryLouis21 this wasn’t a problem before Disney acquired lucasfilm. Before this, lucasfilm loved the fans, their press and fan contact was some of the best, George made stuff canon without stealing it or using it directly...
Henry Louis it would be the concept art team which is employed by Disney so the blame could go both ways. I think people are mad at Disney since this looks like Disney doesn’t care about Star Wars
Hey Eckhart, I was wondering if there is a cannon description of what New Republic troopers look like? They were sadly never shown in the sequels (probably because of laziness and Disney wanting to make Rebels vs stormtroopers 2.0), but it would be cool if their is some disney era art, scenes, references, or mentions of them somewhere.
It would make for a pretty cool video if you don't have one already that I haven't found yet.
All of the dislikes are from the employees that Disney put in charge of the Star Wars art.
This is outrageous!
Legitimate question because I'm curious. Has the Star Wars art theft problem become a problem primarily with Disney or was it always a problem?
Probably some graphic designers copy and pasting without disney actually knowing, I doubt disney higher ups would risk getting sued for this purposely. I agree though the artist do need credit and we have to bring this to light.
As a graphic artist I have had this happen before and it sucks. In a way it's flattering, but not getting credit for your time and effort is not ok. It's not always about the money, it's more a respect issue for me.
Spoilers
Unfortunately Star Wars isn’t just stealing fan art of Star Wars ships, I have found a couple of sounds from 2 transformers series reused in the 3rd season of rebels and the 7th season of the clone wars. In rebels season 3 ep 5 they reused a sound made by skylynx in his alt mode in Transformers Prime Predacon Rising for the creatures that the twileks were using on Ryloth. And in season 7 ep 5 2 Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Devastator noises were used such as (Spoilers) his coughing sound for the sound of the rogue robot’s growl (I guess it’s a growl) and part of Devastators transformation noises were used for the machine Ashoka was using to chase and grab the robot with. I was surprised to see that Star Wars actually noticed these others series and used sounds from them.
Eh that’s kinda normal in the film and entertainment industry tho. The amount of times I’ve heard so the trex roar from Jurassic park...
Not to mention in Age of Ultron, when he destroys himself the cry let out is the same noise emitted from Skorponok in the 2007 film.
I still can't believe that people aren't shedding more light on this.
Why would you shed more light on this? They own star wars they could theoretical sue fan artists for making fan art and it would not be the first time for Disney
@@xander8636 Fan art isn't a sue-able offense. Stealing that art and claiming it as your own, like Disney is doing, is a sue-able offense
Someone needs to put a secret note on the ships (maybe using the lights) that says ' Disney, get a life...'
Just subscribed now.
This art theft must stop and you and Corey spreading awareness is a good first step in doing that.
First
To call out Disney's/Lucasfilms' thieving bs, Eck. Keep up the good work.
First.
To say create an original comment.
expectation : fans stealing off official work for their designs
reality : official canon stealing off of fan artists for their work
Technically both happened.
This sort of thing happened to me with the Jurassic World Motion Comics on youtube where they blatantly copied a satellite map of the island I had created without any credit.
It's very unfortunate to see this continues, and now no longer confined to comic books. I agree on the premise that, you are paying your hard-earned money for this stuff, you should expect to see original art with some effort put into it. It's disappointing, and lazy. And of course, no one should have their art stolen. As an artist myself this is a big deal to me. I don't know if it's legal to take fan art. Maybe it is, but as you said, it's not ethical or morally correct. I still continue to be surprised that this issue has not blown up more. I guess most people really don't care about the comics that much.
"Its also the greater issue of taking something that is not yours."
This make me jiggle since I know a thing or two on how copywright works.
You have to remember that ANYONE who does ANY sort of creative works with the Star Wars universe does so only as long as the copywright owner (Whom is Lucasfilm off course) see through its fingers and by thus give theyre silent admit to do so.
So in legal terms no one in the fandom owns or has the rights to anything that is Lucasfilms (and ultimately Disneys) brand and I can ensure you that if anyone would put up a fight on the right to be credited for theyre models, paintings, storybooks etc and its not official material they would be shut down quicker than you can say Bantafood. And they would probebly be charged heavily for both the legal costs and the use of others properthies.
Its worth remembering that we actually had a showing of force in matters close to this subject a few years ago where runners of Star Trek fan shows where getting to close to branding themselves as the "real thing" and it shaked up the whole fan movie comunity over there until a new set of rules could be worked out - Nowadays its accepted that you can not take credit for or make money on anything that is from the Star Trek universe.
And Disney has been known to slam hard on people that sells toys, costume bits and other things that make to much money and or is to close to theyre brands as well so I think we should be very careful to put ourselves as a comunity on to high horses when it comes to who owns what here.
Its also worth remembering that if you push this sort of things to much Disney and Lucasfilm might not just shut down the model makers and fan stories that uses theyre property but they might also shut the door for the costume and TH-cam comunity as well if things get really bad legally wise.
As a person who love great artists I do wish that we can get credits to where its due but I think the best things we can do for now is to keep track and honor those who do things that are great enough to get into official media within our own comunity rather than trying to push Disney and Lucasfilm to recognize theyre work - Cause it is very unlikely to have any success and can backfire heavily if anyone ever tried.
When thinking of it we as fans has a lot of freedom to use our fandoms properties weather or not it is to dress up in costumes, writing stories, doing models or art or creating or own character and I do think we should be grateful for that freedom rather than being nitpicky over whoms art got used in official material. Its my two cents anyway. Johan.
Yeahhh this would have made a lot more sense if you could spell. But I agree this is very iffy
MATHHEW TOMPKINS I guess not everyone is as great to spell as you see youreslf and not everyone have english as mother launguage neither - But I do not see how small spelling errors can take anything away from what I wrote and I rather think it sgows you on the rather rude side - but since I probebly cant spell good enough for ya I am probebly not entitled to an opinion. Hmpf.
Wouldnt it be more gracefull if you could show off youre superb use of the english launguage by writing a flawless wall of text whom actually ad something to the discussion instead of spiting out this nonsense? J.
Johan M please stop already. It’s not that it was your spelling it was the context because of the spelling. I already said I agreed with you
MATHHEW TOMPKINS If so I missunderstood, but as the state of the social media is today I have quite a short temper for those who jump into a statement wuth one liners that shut the OP down with emotional argument rather than adding to the discussion. I see that all to often. Maybe to often.
But I rather prephere if you would evolve on the subject rather than having issus with my writing - Its much more polite. Johan.
Does make sense to me.
I’m no lawyer so I could be wrong but aren’t these people stealing from Star Wars by profiting off Star Wars when they don’t have merchandising rights or any rights to use the brand
The ones selling it for profit are. Disney/Lucasfilm hasn't done anything to the guy that was selling the ship miniatures that were copied by the comic that Eckhart showed in this video. Lots of other companies wouldn't let stuff like that slide.
Benjamin0119 from my understanding Lucas Film is also very lenient on little people use footage of the movies for videos I think the community should accept the give and take they can profit from the brand and the brand can use what the community creates
@@Benjamin0119 no. Using someone's ip without permission to any extent is illegal
@@ju2tic3 fair use laws. Something the States hasnt gotten rid of and allows artists to make fan art. Otherwise the big film companies would run a monopoly and it would cause issues. This is more of a corporate entity vs the little guy trying to make a life, and in this case its with a fandom that has become increaingly hostile towards the campany that has ruined star wars with the recent films
joshua sitzema I mean I don’t think fair use mean that you can make and sell things from the brand and also idk why the community is so hostile Star Wars has always been super flawed and yes RoS sucks but that’s because JJ Abrams has never been able to write endings everything else Disney has made has been good or passable (unless they made rebels because that show sucked)
I love how you use a word like "compendium", which is a beautiful word that I personally love to use as well--I only note this because i personally discovered the word when reading Halo lore and content, as such kinds of words are common in the forerunner stuff. Just a random question in regard to that if you have the time to read this: Do you pick up words from similar source material? In that way I find Halo and SW lore to be full of learning to be had when writing and speaking eloquently! Another example of that is "modicum" for me!
Possible way to discourage this is making fanart of halo ships or something and labeling them as star wars ships. Two scenarios happen: the art thiefs have to search through a shit ton of unrelated art to find something or they steal it anyway without knowing and potentially cause a legal battle between Disney and Microsoft.
What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck
Or steal the Forerunner fleet before the Covenant forces had a chance to secure it?
Disney Motto "Why create when we can steal"
It's not stealing because they own it
Hasbro steals too. I produced a Star Wars action figure game that they entered into a non compete over but, they pirated it years after they said they were not going forward on the deal. My copyright attorney had to threaten them. Crazy.
There needs to be a law firm out there that can file class action lawsuits on behalf of the artist who have their art stole.
"See, we don't take down fan stuff for copyright! We love the art!" - SW
"Oh thank God-"
"That's why we are *taking* it for ourselves."
I find it hilarious my low poly y-wing is being used in official media xD also, means a lot that you like it Eck, thanks
Bro, this is just sad, not only are they stealing fan arts/models, but they are also proving that they are not good enough to make their own arts/models, these guys should be ashamed of themselves *sigh*
I swear you read my mind somehow, literally the other day I was thinking wow Eck hasn't posted any stolen content videos.
I prefer to think of it as “Taking inspiration” rather than stealing it.
It’s clear that the fan models are really good, so they use those amazing models for their own stories, if I were the artist, I would be very flattered if my art was loved by the people that made the films that I am a huge fan of! 🥰
Except no one would be crediting your name to the assets. You would have to promote someone else's work to get recognition for your work.
Joshua Fogg yeah, just like how literally nothing was changed from the fan artists models compared to the actual ones.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 if the art was never copyrighted then there's a fine line hear of whats going on. The art was stolen, but if it was never copyrighted they cant do anything to get credit.
You can tell it's laziness because they literally ripped off SWTOR Sith Emperor statues for a Galactic Empire facility. Not even backgrounds are safe from the low-effort.
I used to regularly contribute ideas for fan edits on originaltrilogy.com one idea I had was add waterfalls to the endor base and have the current bunker backdoor be an entrance to an elevator that climbed up the shield projection dish. So rather than blowing up yet another reactor Han and his team placed charges around the base of the dish which would snap off and slide into the forest. Also I had some TIES launch from the base and eclipse the sun Apocalypse Now fashion. I suggested that the second Death Star fired a red laser to reflect the dark side nature of having the Emperor precent. Another contributor suggested that the Endor moon itself housed a superlaser and the battlestation was a lure to get the fleet lined up for being picked off from below. So out comes the Force Awakens. Superweapon built into a moon, red laser. Apocalypse Now reference. Then Rogue One. Scarif surrounded with waterfalls. Big punch up under the transmission dish. It might be parallel evolution but it did seem weird.
Actually they not only do not have any legal right to use his fan art, they outright owe him money for use of art materials he has produced. He legally without question OWNS THE COPYRIGHT to those specific models and renders and it is blatantly illegal for Disney to use them.
It must stop! Also love your videos
This happens like at least twice a year now. Give it a rest Disney jeeze
At least twice a year? From the video it sounded like a LOT MORE THAN THAT
Ok as an aspiering game artist the 1 thing that was hammered into my head while learning the trade (besides be respectful to source material no matter where its from and either credit the artist or create your own model with your own twist) is Reference, Reference, Reference. Use Reference in your your work it seperates the good artists from the rest. But for fs sake its not considered using reference if the thing is traced. Either pay the artist or when you are forming your shapes and details switch it up put you own twist on your design. Nothing is original these days and all works are spins on current ideas. If they changed the plating pattern, the design of the hupcaps of the thing and somthing else like that it would be fine. You dont have to reinvent the silhouette of somthimg for that is what makes somthing definable and reconizable but if the artist is not getting credit for the design work done on their free time and labor of love for the franchise CHANGE THE DETAILS UP!!!
I also recognize the top right LAAT, its from "The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels" and its a copyrighted image. The image has simply been mirrored and rotated. The best part is that its also a different LAAT model from the other 2 in the picture, as this one is from AOTC, while the others are from TCW TV-series.
This just shows how low, most of the artists of Star Wars are.
Not really. see the top post above.
Still?!? How m8
Thank you for calling this stuff out. The first stage of evoking change is sharing the problem, and nobody could've asked for a more well spoken, passionate voice to bring to light this unfortunate situation.
I actually can relate to this. A few years back, I made a fan version of the Pokemon logo that has a metallic texture and a red gradient. The Pokemon company didn't take it but some image sharing websites downloaded my logo and made it a PNG. It's on my Deviantart and it predates everything else but I don't like that I'm not being credited. I've even seen it in a video that has millions of views. Granted, I never owned the logo and I don't deserve any money for it but it's still something I worked on and I don't like that people are using it without putting my name in the description. There's even one that sell the thing for 55 euro cents. WTF?
So it seems like Star Wars is so hit or miss...it would be nice if Grandmaster Filoni was put in charge of it all...and if they are going to be taking fan work, they need to give attribution.
They might put John Favro in charge (sorry if his name is spelled wrong) I do think if he ever found out about this he would put a end to this
I don't understand why people always say this. It's like people don't understand how companies work. Kathleen Kennedy is a business woman primarily making business decisions and doesn't have much to do with the creative decisions. You put Dave in that position and you take him away from creating all the great stuff we love.
@@rebelcommander7starwarsjur922 His name is Jon Favreau, which you can easily look up. And again, if you put him "in charge," that takes someone like Favreau away from the creative side of things and into the business side and day to day running of the company. Would you rather have Favreau looking at spreedsheets and budgets, or making awesome Star Wars stories like The Mandalorian?
Yes if Favreau knew about it, and had the power, I'd like to think he'd do something about it as well.
@@Benjamin0119 I was going to avoid this deeper dive in Eck's comments, but here's the deal with KK, in my opinion. From the very beginning, we know that the Star Wars OT was a political allegory. George was not coy about this, he wanted to portray the Galactic Empire as the United States and the Rebel Alliance as the North Vietnamese. A director and a creator can do whatever he/she wants; however, the reason this worked with Star Wars was that it was pretty subtle and very general. Star Wars OT is good Sci-Fi without George's political undertones. George Kept it up, but became a bit more open with Episode 3 almost paroting a George W. Bush line. Fine...it makes sense in universe. Fast forward to Disney and Kennedy. Disney is a multinational corporation...one of the biggest in the world. They are constantly selling to different markets, and like many big companies they are drifting away from an America centric audience toward China centric marketing. Additionally, Hollywood has taken a dramatic left turn toward "woke culture." Not just Hollywood, but that's the topic here. Maybe George agrees with this politically, but George didn't sacrifice the quality and coherency of his story to push a political message. Kennedy has no such qualms...and Iger and Chapek know this! We can plainly see this in the new Star Wars canon. There are the Kennedy and "story group" led movies and the Filoni led animations and Disney + series. Just be honest...we know who the Star Wars fans prefer by and large. The difference is that one leader is story and universe focused and the other is political agenda focused. Dave and Kathleen may completely be aligned politically, but you wouldn't know it from the product...and that's the key takeaway. Filoni could be the Kevin Feige that Star Wars needs...he has the pedigree, the respect for the property, and the humility to right the ship. Feel free to disagree with me.
@@jjohnsonmarine There was a lot of things the Empire symbolized. Nazi Germany (wouldn't call that one subtle,) America under Richard Nixon, the British Empire, Roman Empire, etc etc. And yes the Ewoks specifically were referencing the Vietkong.
Funny you should mention the woke part. The first movie was criticized for lack of diversity. In Empire we see Lando brought in, and Asian and black guys working for Lando, more diversity in the Rebellion (but the Empire remains all white people through the whole trilogy.) In Return of the Jedi this is even more increased, black and Asian, etc, Starfighter pilots. The Rebellion was diverse, of all kinds of humans, and also aliens. Their outfits also have color, usually warm tones. The Empire is a bunch of faceless goons in harsh black and white tones, run by a bunch of evil white guys.
Funny enough, the First Order has actual diversity, and women in it.
I found an old article on that. It turned we were wrong all these years and George never intentionally quoted Bush. Bush just sort of fulfilled the prophecy I guess haha.
So about a "political agenda..." the new stuff is probably less political than George's stuff. Now, if it's considered a "political agenda" for characters to exist... that can go fuck right off. You don't even have the excuse of characters being changed to female or a different race. They're new characters. If anything, the new stuff is less woke in the sense it didn't make the bad guys all white people.
I mean there is tons of real life political stuff in the Clone Wars, Rebels, etc. Also the bantha buttchuggers complained about the rebel lady in Mandalorian, so that show didn't get off scot free either. It just goes to show how these people can't be taken seriously.
So speak yourself about what fans prefer. I love the sequel trilogy and so do many others, and we're not all "casuals" or "new fans" either.
And just so you know, the protagonist of the sequel trilogy was always going to be a young woman. Originally it was Luke's twin sister, who wasn't Leia, is trained from birth in another part of the Galaxy, and has to drag Luke along for the adventure. Yep, a woman who is a better Jedi than Luke Skywalker!
The other version George came up with after he decided not to have the sequels come right after Return of the Jedi, a young Force Sensitive girl named Kira goes to train under a hermit Luke. Sounds familiar doesn't it? This was all retained in Disney Lucasfilm's version.
Again... President of Lucasfilm is a business job. Would you rather have Dave look at spread sheets and budgets or make awesome stuff like the Mandalorian?
George is a super liberal, so is Mark. I'm not sure about Dave. Mark had said that "women should just run everything." I wonder how many heads imploded when they read that, or if it was conveniently ignored. I had long since put the usual suspect TH-cam channels on "not interested" by that time.
The property is owned by Lucasfilm/Disney though, they own the designs, characters, essentially everything within that world, they have the rights to these things
I think the people creating the art should get paid, but they weren't contract to create the art in the first place, and they can't trademark their work. It seems it's the people directly "creating" or reusing the "stolen" art, who are doing this on their own, and anyone in charge of these projects either don't know or don't care.
Yeah, harassing the artists will reflect badly on the fans who want to put an end to this art theft, and be counterproductive. It should be (politely) taken up with the higher ups. Or even just try to make the situation go viral so it gets SOMEONE'S attention.
Erik w/a K exaclty! Is Disney lazy for using fan made art? Sure. Should they credit the artist? It’s the right thing to do but they don’t have to. Disney/Lucasfilms owns all the SW world so it’s not technically stealing since these artists essentially volunteered their services. No one asked them to. The only way Disney “steals” is if they contracted people out and didn’t pay them. Every other case is just them claiming control of their IP.
Theory: It is said that anything drawn by artists while employed by Disney belongs to Disney as official Disney art. And since FractalSponge was commissioned by the mouse, it can be assumed that any models made by FS alongside Disney's is what's being stolen. That being said, there's definitely a stockpile of OFFICIAL Disney pron somewhere in their vault.
This is happening more and more in digital work sadly because artists are not paid high enough so they are forced to go out and get "assets" from else where to cover the lack of time they have to fix it or get fired. It is a sad and shoddy process.