THIS is why we STILL need to talk about Star Wars Stealing Fan Art
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2021
- This is why we need to talk about Disney stealing fan art. Disney has been well known for taking fan art and tracing it or incorporating it into official Star Wars works, including most recently Star Wars Visions. We'll talk about that and more on today's video.
Marvel stole EVERY CAPITAL SHIP for their latest Star Wars Comics... from FAN designs!
• Marvel stole EVERY CAP...
This NEEDS TO STOP -- Star Wars is STILL STEALING fan art!
• This NEEDS TO STOP -- ...
Star Wars Books are STEALING fan art... and it has to stop
• Star Wars Books are ST...
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They could at least give them credit for it but I guess that's an admission of guilt. But why not just throw the guy a few hundred bucks? I guess they don't want to set the precedent. They probably just hope no one notices
This si what Disney do. They steal everything without crediting anyone ever, and make the stuff they stole stupid.
I love to see that you use the butler A.I. in halo Infinite also. Are you going to make a video talking about your thoughts on the flight?
You have the platform and the social reach to do something. As a YT content creator that’s well connected to others in this space you could co-organize a mass awareness and protest initiative here. You clearly have the passion for it Eck.
@@Daiode Agreed. You just need more content creators in on it. Form the Rebel alliance, take down the Empire!
Main takeaway: this is a moral and ethical issue and not in regards to legal or money. it’s crazy how they think just because it’s legal it’s perfect
Many who wish to learn law are taught to follow the word. Not the spirit. From what I've seen anyway. There are individuals who throw the word away and keep the spirit. Those are good persons
@@blubberfeet5430 those are good and rare people especially nowaday
@@Jogyot3260 I hope with all the turmoil now a days there will be an explosion in numbers for these better people and a huge decrease in the negatives. I dunno. I just want a happy ending ya know?
Disney has money so it's legal.
Everything major palpatin did was also perfectly legal.
Legality sadly has nothing to do with right or wrong.
Disney wanted to copyright Dia de los Muertos when Coco came out. An actual foreign cultural holiday. The top people there are not reasonable
Games Workshop tried to copyright pauldrons, aka the shoulder piece of a set of armor. Some companies will try anything if they think they will profit.
@@robertnelson9599 talking about shoulder pad.. a lot of Mad Max and Fist Of The North Star character wear it lol
@@Jogyot3260 Most copy the look from the original Mad Max. It’s from the 70s, so it’s not hard to see how much it influenced future apocalypse products. Fallout Leather armor is straight copy.
Los Muertos was created in America if I am correct. However, that is still so dumb of them to try and copy
Robert Nelson They tried to copyright the generic term “Space Marine”.
Unlike Disney, Bungie has given credit to all of the artists who have had their art used in their products or videos. They own up, they admit mistakes and fix them. Disney rarely if ever does anything even close to that, and they mess up a lot lot more.
Bungie does a decent job of listening and reacting to fans.
Chad Bungie
Warframe also in fact they make it a competition
does disney even know its happening like i doubt they watch this channel and they maybe trust marvel not to do that
@@gothicgolem2947 Maybe, but there are so many instances of this. Disney rerelease Solo poster because they started to get pressured from the original artist and smaller news websites started to report it. And Movie posters aren't under Marvel. Some of the books aren't published by Marvel either.
Marvel comics are especially bad at this. Not only with Star Wars.
The most infamous example of that is the works from Greg Land, who's known for tracing memes, celebrities, and actual porn. He (and others) even got Marvel into trouble multiple times for tracing celebrities in his comics.
It seems to me that there's a culture at Disney and especially Marvel of tracing or just adding photoshop filters into fanart and photos (the ships aren't even the worst example when it comes to Star Wars, but the horrible tracing done in some of the comics with the characters). It's probably has something to do with the heavy time constraints that megacorporations give to their artist.
It's faster to trace over other art than making your own. And this will continue to be the case until they have longer schedules.
Hell, Marvel got busted for stealing the design for Tau Hammerhead tanks from Warhammer 40k years ago for it's comics.
@HeadHoonter Yep
@@26th_Primarch 40k years ago?
@@clonesolar har-har, you know exactly what I mean.
@@26th_Primarch you should edit your comment, and make it say 40 years ago. Not 40k years ago.
Disney: "put the comics out faster, trace art if you have to"
Comic artist: "but sir, is that... Legal?"
Disney: "i will MAKE IT legal"
This is hardly a new thing in the comic industry.
Lobbyists in a nutshell.
its marvel making these tho so id replace dsney with marvel
@Casual SCP Fan there still a differnt company the head of disney and those making the decisions at Disney may not know any of the actions by marvel comics
Bungie actually apologized for the Destiny 2 fan art theft as it was an accident, contacted the artist, then credited him for it.
This is so wholesome
I do feel, that this is to be expected. I seem to remember this being discussed in Art College, that if you do fan-art, you can expect to not own it.
That said, they SHOULD absolutely credit the Artists. Not even specific image credits, but a "thank you for your work," section.
*[insert obligatory C&C series reference of one living, but Sage-ified]*
CAPITALISM is built on exploiting the labour of others.
@@JeanLucCaptain guess someone doesn’t understand economics.
@@JeanLucCaptain so agreeing to a job that you consensually did is exploitation? Umm exploitation involves being coerced it’s never a consensual thing.
@Crash Hash Morally, yes- but I doubt that would hold in our system.
So the best we can and should expect, is credit... Or a change in the law, or enforcement of something never enforced if there is legal protection.
Really Lucasfilm needs to develop a database for approved reference material for the contract artists they employ because typically all artists just go to google for there references and can't tell the difference between what's fan art and what is a Lucasfilm creation.
What's kind of funny is that that artist you mention at 3:06 tracing Mon Calamari Cruiser's was actually the by far most disliked artists from the 2015 run. Mainly cause most people find his art really bad, especially the faces which are probably traced as well. Probably why no one saw the tracing for a bit cause many people just disliked all the art.
Hes a notorious tracer in the marvel comics community, he also traced from porn for some of his art
You mean Greg Land? I heard he's better as a writer than artist.
I don't recall Land doing any Star Wars comics. I think that's Salvador Larroca, whom I used to like, but his tracing is EVERYWHERE.
@@osvaldocortes4598 Ah youre right! I always get those greg confused with salvador
It’s kinda embarrassing that, to this day, Salvador Larroca STILL gets work at Lucasfilm. And he hasn’t changed one bit, it seems
You have a lot more integrity than the Mouse. You didn't need to prove it in my eyes, but I understand the gesture of demonetizing the video. You're a good dude Eck 👍🏻
No company has "integrity", they're all capitalists. Everything, EVERYTHING, must be sacrificed at the altar of profit.
@@Robocopnik lots of companies do
Paid artists working for Disney who steal fan art are an absolute disgrace. They should be named and shamed. I’m glad you’re keeping a record of it.
I am a Design Student and one thing I am extensivly told is to use my own designs over and over agian. The reason is not originality, but the thing is if the design you steal (or trace) is successful and you need to make something in the same style, but different you just can't.
Say one of the ships in the comics you have mentioned is a fan favorite and everyone wants to have more of this style of ship (everyone wants more ISD inspired ships) you just can't do it and what you come up with will not be as great.
Getting inspired by other work is key, since you can't imagine a whole picture with every detail (even a 100% original painting has development of something you came up with), if you trace it, you don't even have to be good at what you do, so you don't even have skills to continue.
Regardless of the legality, or even ethics and morality... it's pretty pathetic that a professional would steal work like this on a job they're being paid for. Have they no pride? Are they that bad at their job? Do they have no passion?
I agree but I could imagine Disney over work there employees or management even encourage this because it has to be a lot more cost effective.
Instead of stealing their work why don’t you employee these artists and you might have an even better looking Star Wars and the community won’t hate you as much.
Because it's cheaper to get a legion of simps by copying the past and shilling ideology than it is to pay innovative creators a living wage.
@@AF-tv6uf I agree. I’m not denying the realty of things. I’m frustrated that fan art and fan films are so much better than the big productions
@@MrBassbump And I'm totally agreeing with you! I just had to mention that *added* layer of travesty.
cause disney dosnt know marvels doing this?
@Casual SCP Fan need help with “No Mice”?
Disney steals fan work? They shouldn't say anything when people pirate everything Disney then.
You don’t need to demonetise the videos, I enjoy this sort of content.
Eck. The more you talk about this the happier I am. Love seeing you fighting for the little guys.
I think the solution that makes the most sense is that fan artists cannot sell their designs without the permission of the IP holder BUT the IP holder does not own the fan artists work and cannot use it themselves without permission from the artist. Basically It would work both ways while still protecting the IP owners rights.
I hope someone challenges this in a legal battle because I think the courts could make some positive changes to IP laws by the end.
As far as I'm aware, what you're suggesting is already the actual legal situation. When an artist creates a work of art, that work of art is their creative works and belongs exclusively to them. If it's in an established IP, then they can't sell it for profit, because while the artwork is theirs the things depicted in it are not.
@@ILikeGoodFood wrong, it does not, copyright extends to ORIGINAL WORKS. Fanart is not original. If the artwork is A COPY OF THE IP CHARACTER, THEY CAN'T OWN IT.
I'm surprised Disney isn't taking this a little more seriously. They are paying these people to make art, so when these people rip art off the internet it makes them look bad, and Disney isn't getting what they paid for. The artists stealing the work are the only ones profiting from this.
Realistically, Disney is probably paying these people so below industry-standard that they probably don't care. Having been an artist at Disney is probably really good for your resume, so worker exploitation is probably rampant
Bungie is usually amazing at crediting their fan artists. During the witch queen reveal stream they had an entire section for people who made fanart. So I say that we give them a pass this one time
It saddens me because I know this is probably never going to end
Yeah man.. me too.. me too.. even sadder is this is actually a moral problem and it get worse everyday
We gotta convince a lot of fan artists to incorporate art from rivaling companies into Star Wars art. And report whoever is using those particular pieces of stolen artwork, for copyright infringement. Cause a corporate spat and force them to think twice. Or incorporate something obscene written in aurubesh, and report those that have used stolen artwork for use of such words. They'll have no choice but to back off from using fan art if it leads to a potential lawsuit from a peer company and/or becomes the next source of outrage.
Peppered Ash Start slapping Imperial Aquillas on stuff. When the tracers steal it,thinking its a Rebel/Imperial symbol,the GW legal gremlins will come out of the woodwork.
Though its very much a “whoever wins we lose” type deal.
@@redenginner Causing two corporations to lose money in a lawsuit over the most trivial things, sounds like a win to me.
Since when does Disney cares about what’s moral or ethical.
They care more about sexuality than morality
@@Jogyot3260: I was thinking about what they do with child stars like Miley Cyrus, Hillary Duff, and Selena Gomez to name a few. They use they’re fame and leave them hanging when they’re all grown up.
Ignoring the moral and legal aspects, if Disney keeps stealing designs they’re going to run into the issue of having way to many ship variants than any faction logically would
Not that I think Disney cares about logical consistency
Somehow... Palpatine built a variety of ships exceeding normal fleet design standards.
The fact that Disney has gotten too comfortable with being lazy and stealing things without credit shows that we may need to find a better source of entertainment. Disney used to bring joy to me, now it's just disappointment after disappointment, and it doesn't look like they'll learn anytime soon...
Right there with you.
I thought of it too lol but 50% western media that got here is disney
@ Duhra
And they buy more and more of what's left by the day
Disney continues to be so incapable of originality or creativity
Disney is a huge piñata. A ballsy legal team could make bank on a class action.
I think a lot of artists would be happy if these companies just give them credit for their work. Personally I'd be happy if I got to see my artwork used in some official LFL content. However if they keep using your work over and over then they really should pay you. Unfortunately Disney is never going to do this, they'd rather just get copyright law changed to do what they want. It's not like they haven't done that before.
It sucks that Disney/Lucasfilm could prey on people who are actually devoted to their craft, like EC Henry and his B-Wing design being stolen. The only good thing to come out of all of this is that now we know what the B-Wing Mark II actually looks like.
just because they own starwars dosent mean they can just pilfer others fan content and call it there own this is a revolting habit
The fact that what is legally right and what is moraly right are not the same is a real problem.
Fleet battle between
Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin
Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.
Yes! Please do a battle analysis between Thrawn and Ender!
Grand Admiral Thrawn ftw.
I will say it again.
Unless Grand Admiral Thrawn is going into this battle completely blind, Thrawn wins.
@@shinystarmiestudios4179 it’s meant to be a blind fight. Like with the deathbattle TH-cam channel I eliminate prep time for vs. matchups. Trying to figure out how prep time would impact battles is tricky. However I believe you are right if Thrawn was allowed time to study Ender he’d probably win, even assuming Ender has the same time to study Thrawn..
@@TheWingland its like the joke with asking how much prep time Batman can have before a fight
Disney's like "Sorry I can't hear you over how rich and powerful we are."
A lack of creativity and an unwillingness to give credit where credit are due. It cannot be that hard to contact said creative fan and simply ask "hi, mind if we use your awesome star destroyer?". I suspect that most fans would be thrilled by such recognistion.
I feel like at the very least, they could have an internal "art tracing" folder, which contained all of the models of ships that they had actually made, so that their artists could easily look through it. Heck, they could even run a "competition" where people submitted art and 3d models for "a chance to be featured in marvel Star Wars comics" i.e. have their work added to the folder.
While they keep stealing artwork.. there is actually the very talented artist out there gone astray because of no employment while these people who keep tracing them get all their job.. gawd darn! they can't even do the simplest thing that take less than a minute which is crediting the actual creator
All fan artists should incorporate hidden phallic imagery in their art, just to get egg on the Mouse's face.
Unless they take the drawing or model and don’t tweak it at all or look at it that won’t happen unless someone does it and it gets used in a children’s coloring book
@@curiousentertainment3008 I'm not saying it will work al the time, or even most of the time. But if it works once in a while, it's a passive-aggressive victory.
One of the best examples I have seen on how to correctly use other people's fan art. Reclaim the Wild. Right after the table of contents it has a page titled Artists Credits. It not only says who's art is in the book, but where it is at. Credit where credit is due.
Blocked for saying that he shouldn't be blaming the corporation he should be blaming the people hired by it. What an arse.
For some reason, I find the fact that you are a lawyer amazing.
I want to say that I’m glad you’re still talking about this. I would have no idea that Disney is doing this if you weren’t making videos on it.
Dude, don't worry about idiots and demonitizing your videos. You're spot on with no moral compass.
I never knew this was a problem, thank you for bringing more light to this so I have a better view on what Disney could be taking
For those like me who can't tell the problem with the B-Wing, it's the engine placement: canon B-Wings have all the engines grouped together in a square.
It is disgusting how absurdly litigious we've become. People get out of things that are obviously wrong on technicalities of the law, and conversely screw other people on technicalities of the law. There's no more basic decency and proper social norms keeping us in line anymore, and no legal system can withstand that forever.
In art school we were trained to never plaigarise another artists work. In design college they literally taught us to plaigarise images. i think you'll find this is actually something that happens in pretty much everything that's produced. Just type the most likely keyword description of an asset into google image search and you'll likely find it on the first page. Wallmart just did this the other day with mario wall stickers, they've printed fan art of characters from an sm64 rom hack.
Itd be great if theyd just hire fan artists but we are already giving it to them for free.
Well, I'm not frustrated because you keep bringing this up. I am frustrated because Disney keeps doing it.
Wow! 3rd view! Thanks for always covering this kind of stuff, Eck. I know we're kind of stuck but it's important to talk about. Keep it up!
Pretty sure the only reason EC Henry doesn't at least get offered a job at Didney is because he just doesn't have any friends at the mouse or Marvel and can't get into any inner circle.
No one will ever convince me this ain't scummy as fuck.
What worries me is that I wouldn't be surprised that it's unofficial policy to filch fan work.
A simple thank you and a mention in the credit section would probably be enough I think a lot of the artists would find it cool if their ship or whatever if it ended up being used
Disney Stan: but Disney owns the franchise……
Me: this is why the IRS makes you it’s bitch. Because according to your logic, the comparison is the same.
Looks like Disney would rather steal small amounts of gold from master artists than pay them to shower Disney with gold.
Corporate greed knows no bounds
I sure can understand this in a morale sense since I firmly belive that everyone should credit art they use even when it comes from googling. So far I have no issues with demanding that Disney and Lucasfilm should credit those behind the arts they use. Its not a huge thing to give credit and or copywright shotouts to them.
With that said I can also understand why they do not go that path since it would risk them to be sued or persued over using those artists works and I can surely understand that Disney are in no interest to open that can of warms even if its a small thing for them to do. The risk by letting the cat out of the bag is much higher than potentional reward for such honorable mentions in my opinion.
One option could be a sort of "thank you for referense art" note in the covers of those works. That might be a way to claim theyre contribution without risking any legal claims in return.
And if there necesserly such a "bad thing" to find youre art used by Disney in a Star Wars issue? Shouldnt it be considered a credit that they found youre work good enough to copy in an official manner and see it as a marketing help for youre art instead? Johan.
Any business taking full advantage of the law or loopholes is to be expected. The main problem lies with how outdated the laws are on copyright or right or more.
If I recall correctly, copyright laws are the way that they are today largely in part because of Disney. Every time that original Steamboat Willy Mickey Mouse short was coming to the end of the copyright term limit, the laws were adjusted to have a longer duration. I believe this has been done a number of times over the past 50+ years.
It’s kinda like video games such as Fallout 4’s creation club. They take mods made by players, which they (Bethesda the company) think should be in the game and pay them a share of the sale + credit them. They could easily just rip them off and add them as DLC’s themselves, but instead they support the creators in the community
Richard Hoeg is not really the best legal mind to be listening to in the first place. If you make it, you have copyright, plain as day. Now selling it if it's based on another's IP gets into a grey area that butts up against trademark, but that's a whole other issue. Regardless, tracing in the way Disney does it is very much a copyright violation.
Stealing designs themselves gets into the legal weeds, however, because I have seen so many obvious ripoffs that are technically not infringement, but really ride that line. The Visions example feels like an artist riffing on another's art, whereas the comics ones always feel like laziness.
Weird. If someone is taking fan art and passing it off as their own wouldn't that be fraud?
Fans: *produce content*
Disney: It's free real estate
I'll be honest man. You didn't have to demonetize the video dude. You're just spitting the facts. You're honestly one of the most decent and wholesome Star Wars channels I know. You don't have to go out of your way to prove yourself man. We trust ya. Good you for calling g this out.
As an artist myself, this is really awful. I don't understand how artists can live with themselves by doing this. Like I've never tried to do star Wars art or a comic yet but I wouldn't stoop this low.
I don't think it is even a matter of cutting time to meet the deadlines.
It is just easier to pick something the fans have accepted, than to think of something new and risk your creativity failing you.
This is very important to keep highlighting
Eckhart, if you are not going to name the names of artists who rip off other artists' work, then how can you expect anything to change? That is the one thing that is likely to actually stop this practice. Saying "Disney is doing this reprehensible thing" means nothing, because "Disney" is a mask for the people who are actually doing it within Disney.
Aren't the comics made by a team of people? We wouldn't really have any way to know who specifically did it, and while we could theoretically put the whole team on blast, that seems really irresponsible.
@@pennyforyourthots I honestly do not know. Are individual pencilers given credit for each issue? If so, then presumably they are the ones responsible. Someone, somewhere has to be combing the web for this fanart and then either tracing it or cutting and pasting it on a digital drawing program. There IS a specific person doing this.
I have a similar situation where I had released my comic (which is my own personal IP) and they came out with a tree that looked 90% similar to my tree one year later.
This is just sad. Disney basically kicks in the face of their most loyal and creative fans. Imagine Disney is commissioning someone to design a ship for a movie or comic, but doesn't pay then after the work is done. How can that be legal? And what kind of person thinks "it's okay if we screw our own fans like this just because we can"?
I loved Star Wars and Disney movies/comics since i was a child. But stuff like this makes me think: Why should i support this company that screws their own loyal long time fans like that?
the answer is, you shouldn't. just boycott or pirate everything
@@reallybigmistake I certainly won't pirate anything. If i do that i'm no better than they are.
Its as simple as the artists googling for an image to reference. It looks Star Wars and so they don’t care to investigate further into whether it is official Star Wars or fan art.
I absolutely agree with you. Disney has the potential to work with these talented outsiders, REAL talent. Instead they’d rather suck off their own worthless egos.
It's the Corporate need to make a unique and beautiful thing and condense down in to something that can be mass produced. They don't let artists be creative anymore. It's like they expect them to push work out like they are in a factory and that's why they take art from wherever they can get it.
Starting to think the RB-79 Ball cameo was just the artist stealing shit, lol.
Don't worry, the only thing I'm frustrated about is that they're still doing this
Honestly, like you said, I don't think this is the worst case of art theft in SW. I mean, this was basically an outsourced Star Wars project with a foreign company, so I think Science SARU somehow thought that was the official B-wing. I mean, why would you purposefully steal a ship design if you could just use the official design that has been around for decades?
Still, I think Disney should absolutely be held accountable, specially for their mainline comicbooks and movies.
Wait even the anime are potentially using uncredited fan art?
In the case of the comics tracing stuff, that’s probably more the case of the artist needing to whip out some super slick renderings in short order… they Google “super star destroyer” and aren’t diligent about checking to see if it’s another artist’s interpretation that they are tracing. Not really Disney’s or Lucasfilm’s fault. More fault on the artist not doing their due diligence about their reference material.
I agree with your stance Eck, but also acknowledge the fact the Lucasfilm/Disney will never honor the creators of those fan-works. I wish that were otherwise, but regardless of that, I don't let that personally get me down. I commission artwork for my own projects, create literary content tied to those pieces and/or tie them in a meaningful and relevant way. Until I receive a formal cease and desist, that will be my modus operandi. The EU isn't dead, and neither is the fandom or any of their derivatives.
Hol' up... youre a lawyer too? Damn, your attention to detail must be wild! Very cool.
Laziness at best by Disney
the comics tracing it due to Salvador Larroca, he's notorious for tracing stuff for his work. I'm just glad he's off of star wars now.
I personally believe you the owner of the IP should be able to use the work freely without permission but they should atleast give credit
What they should do is just credit the fan artists. That will never happen because it's all about $ for Disney. But that's what Disney/Marvel should do.
If you draw something, write something, or create something and it is for, of, or pertains to Lucas Arts, Star Wars, Skywalker Sound, or Industrial light and magic it is the intellectual property of Lucas Entertainment they do not need your permission to use it, they do not owe you anything for it. You do however get the bragging rights, and perhaps if its good enough they will approach you for a paid commission, or even a employment opportunity. it is not steeling if they all ready own it.
And just because I know somebody is going to say "no its not"
What are the 4 types of intellectual property?
Copyrights, Patents, Trademarks, and Trade Secrets - Four Types of Intellectual Properties. If you are a business owner, you should familiarize yourself with the four types of intellectual property, otherwise known as IP.
everyone should start doing artwork on Lead Man, Corporal Brazil, Bulk and Fulgora in the adventurers of the Retaliators.
see how much they like work being stolen but not stolen.
There's something everyone can do to stop this: do not but anything that steals fan art. Do not rewaed lazy artists or Disney's greed.
My question is, why pay big bucks for someone who can only trace when fan artist are likely to be cheaper and who's art was going to be traced anyway?
Awesome work eck, keep up the good fight
I mean to be fair, it’s unlikely that anyone besides the artists know the art in stolen
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Put it simply, ever sense disney got starwars fan art has been stolen for years. My opinion of course
Welp if Disney decides to steal my Witchling then that's when I will truly lose my shit lol
One of my favorite cases is marvel comics stealing halo designs. Dr. Doom having warthogs for some reason, for one.
I never thought I'd say this, but there is a company far, far worse than Disney...I give you Games Workshop...
GW is absolute the worse company, but I'd reckon Disney is doing it on a much grander scale here, so it probably evens out.
When did copyright law become so tilted in favor of corporations instead of the original creators?
The fact that ethics and legality is separate is very stupid.
Oh, it isn't just fan art of the their IP's that they steal. I remember seeing a story where Marvel got sued by Games Workshop because they stole some space ship fan art, only for it turn out to be one of the Tau ships from 40k. Edit: for those wondering, it was a Tau Hammerhead, and it was in 2016.
That's what Star Wars fan art will have to consist from now on if we want them to stop. IPs from rival companies, to entrap Marvel or whoever in a lawsuit for inadvertently stealing other companies IP's. Maybe also sneak something obscene, like something offensive written in Aurubesh. To cause a public outrage.
@@pepperedash4424 I mean, they're probably not so bad at art that they couldn't ignore the Aurubesh while tracing. Just randomly having your Knock of Star Destroyer have Star Trek nacelles would be hilarious though.
@@RorikH If Allegiance didn't bother removing the pegs of what they traced, there's a possibility the artists wouldn't catch anything in Aurubesh.
@@pepperedash4424 Deets?
@@RorikH Someone 3d printed miniatures of starships that had pegs. The Allegiance mini series copied on of the photos showing the 3d models, and included the pegs as if they were part of the design.
This wouldn't even be a problem if Disney/Lucasfilms just contacted these creators with a quick message saying, ''Hey, we want to use your work as a reference in a upcoming project. Is that okay?"
Tracing everything is not using as a reference. These artists just have no self respect.
I think an element of this that people overlook far too often is competency. Does Disney, let alone the folks they outsource a lot of the art too, even know these are fan works? Or do they google search the ship and assume high quality enough renders were official.
That's really not a valid legal defence, but I wouldn't be surprised if they could get away with it.
@@RorikH I meant that as a theory for why it happens so often, not as any sort of defence.
Acknowledging one's sources and giving credit where it's due should be a given, no matter what's being used. True in academia, research or entertainment. Disney have no excuse.
For the record, neither the credits of Akariri nor the behind the scenes featurette mention anything about the B-Wing.
I'm willing to bet Studio Saru asked LFL to provide reference for the ship, got this and used it in good faith.
When it comes to the Marvel Artist's copying name the names. You might not think it will do anything but getting it out there will have an effect. Disney itself will never notice but the Marvel division will. Disney is not a monolith where everything comes from one source it comes for different sections. Each one must be dealt with. It's like Hydra after all. I am a big Disney fan but I am more than aware of what they do. Comic artists stealing other's art is bad business if it gets around and management will "fix" that issue within when they notice. And Marvel has had more than it's share of screw ups for the last few years.
Are they "artists" if they take it?
They pick on people with animations or ideas that look like theirs for millions of dollars but they steal more themselves. Basterts.