Fermi Paradox: The Interdict Scenario
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- An exploration of the interdict scenario solution to the Fermi paradox.
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Well, given that the Korean Demilitarized Zone is one of the few places in Asia that Tigers freely live. Us being caught in a n intergalactic DMZ is a possibility.
Similarly, the endangered Florida Crocodile has made a comeback in areas surrounding the Turkey Point nuclear power plant. It might not be a military threat but contamination, or even just the possibility of contamination, from natural sources or alien-made fallout keeping E.T.s away. All of these possibilities are reminders that humans' continued existence might be very precarious indeed.
The area near Chernobyl, Ukraine was the most bio diverse in Europe. (At least this was told before Russian soldiers digged for fun or why ever.)
And the iron curtain in Europe was full of wild life. Also that means that mines in the DMZ isn't a threat to tigers?
But the dmz is one of the LARGEST buildup of military forces on earth (aside from wartime). We would probably see evidence of this.
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No air, no water, no magnetic field, no hope at all.@@redpillcoach1855
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"A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies, a chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure."
Not until we are peaceful. We should not go and mess up another planet
sounds like the drafting ad of a deregulated, corrupt, oportunistic giant space mafia corporation on a profit soaked rampage through the galaxy on taxpayer expense ... ie sounds very familiar
Do they need bladerunners off World?
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Yeah iv fallen asleep with his monotone voice often. One of my fav ways to fall asleep. Close 2nd is "exploring series" so many women on patreon and I patronize a few great soft-spoken. TH-cam men... I have trouble sleeping and this is my medicine.
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I will never tire of Fermi paradox discussions, it is so interesting to me, and especially so when JMG has them.
Right, I wish this video was 1 hour
I just never understand how people get to the conclusions that intelligent alien life must exist and must be more advanced than us
@@AverageAlien It comes from movies
@@AverageAlienI'd say there's a strong likelihood of intelligence out there, but probably a very low likelihood of it being close enough in space and time for any meaningful contact.
There is literally no "fermi paradox", it doesn't exist and is made-up. Only pseudointellectuals talk about it.
The Interdict scenario sort of reminds me of something that Calvin once said to Hobbs. It's falacious, but somewhat amusing. According to Calvin, the best evidence of alien life in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.
tbh unless it was said in 1960 or something when it was still a fresh thought, that is boring midwit humor.
@@ekszentrik calvin and hobbes is 80 90s right, that was before we had confirmed all these planets and stars that are now being speculated on
@@charlescook5542 some call me a hero
I've always felt it was best to avoid those who are drawn to this self loathing school of thought.
@@ekszentrik don't see anything funny about it. Seems logical to me, for any number of reasons. Look at our choice of leaders, for a start. Says a lot about us.
I can never get enough Fermi Paradox content. I just love it!
If we are alone (aka early) or even if intelligent technological civilizations are very rare - that makes it all the more important for us to become a 2+ planet civilization ASAP.
i concur
Why, so humans can ruin another planet.
A planetary civilization sponsored by Amazon/Disney/Skynet what a Bummer
If anything you need to colonize multiple solar systems due to really rare extinction level events
@@azmanabdula Colonize it all!
“The cruelest lies are often told in silence”
Based & Stevensonpilled.
In a world built on fear & lies what is truth.
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Oh my god it is literally 10pm here and I'm going to bed . Perfect timing !!!!
Some minutes later: wakey wakey!!!
Damn, I wouldn't mind going to sleep at 10 for a change
I've had the idea of a "creative drought" where if alien civilization is so intertwined that novel ideas begin to fade away and once exotic information becomes mundane. Leading to an informational echo chamber that after millions of years could be incapable of creating new solutions to existing problems. Hence fostering developing civilizations so they may add their cultural and technological distinctiveness to the thought Borg.
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Our cultural exports might be the most valuable thing our species could offer the galaxy. To a space faring species which has developed technologies to terraform multiple worlds and cross the vast distances between stars, we could never muster any technology or material they couldn't readily find. Our music, films, books, and creative endeavors might be truly one of a kind. It wouldn't really be difficult to quietly observe and they'd be wise to do so. Our species is a college Freshmen, who's been phoning it in and partying all semester, and now finals are looming around the corner. Maybe when we graduate and earn a little respect they'll start openly sharing.
Thought Borg = Murdoch media.
Re: idiocracy
You could just design a computer to create things. We are experimenting with it already.
If the zoo hypothesis is true to any extent, I don’t think it’s a literal zoo. It would be more space efficient to simply have the complete genetic codes of animals - perhaps in digital form, not even as actual samples - and at most have them recreated in some hyper-realistic virtual environment for alien ethologists to study. - Wait, that is getting very close to the simulation hypothesis.
The Tralfamadorians would want to see Montana Wildhack and her current boyfriend 'cuddling.'
What if Earth today is a simulation of am alien's history?
The openworm project was able to clone the brain of a flatworm and use it to run what was essentially the first truly free willed robot by virtue of the fact that it was run by a brain. IBM later on cloned a mouse brain, although it wasn't able to get it to run at full speed yet. Then again, does it really have to run at full speed? From the perspective of the mouse within the simulation time is running normally.
Now, if we can simulate the brain of a mouse it's only a matter of time before we can simulate the brain of a human. So what happens if we clone the brain of a newborn baby and copy it multiple times over and just place it with in a simulated world? Give it some starting resources and let it do its thing. Then every time the simulated people reproduce just load up a new copy of a baby brain into the simulation and it will be built upon the experiences of the world in which it lives. Eventually it will form a civilization that you can observe and you can gain first-hand knowledge on how people develop civilizations. And since you'd be using the brain if your own species it would be fairly accurate.
Of course, if that's the reality of things good luck getting any rights from your creators. And hope that the simulation is running as some large-scale project where they wants to Archive everything and not on some child's computer game.
When I was a child I ran simulations. An old game called creatures by cyber life, now defunct, but had artificial biology so it made its own decisions. I saved all the files, but I didn't run the simulation forever. Maybe a sufficiently advanced civilization would have a very very lifelike version of The Sims in which case you better hope that the child running this game doesn't play The Sims the way your typical human child does.
@@Elliandr "first truly free willed robot" This is an unscientific phrase that is highly dependent on the philosophical point that "free will" actually exists. Through much of history the hypothesis of "free will" has been used to justify how a beneficent Creator could allow evil to exist in the universe. Science itself doesn't favor such a view over determinism. The idea of a History Simulation is interesting, but the simulators would have to be lacking in compassion to run such events as the Black Plague or the Holocaust on sentient beings over and over again just to collect data. As you point out yourself with the comparison to a child's computer game. If there is a benign Creator granting Free Will, then comprehensive historical simulations in that universe would be fairly close to "demonic" in intent, as nearly opposite to the Creator's Will. Or, if the end justifies the means in running simulations, I think that end is completely unknowable from inhabitants of the simulation (possibly us). It would take "divine intervention" from the simulators to inform us of the nature of the simulation and motivations behind it.
Space efficiency might not be much of a concern for an interstellar civilisation, though.
the zoo hypothesis and the simulation hypothesis are not mutually exclusive, and some parts of the two hypotheses are actually synergistic.
"free will" / determinism and consciousness are all very poorly understood scientifically right now... partly because experiments that may shed light on these topics tend to be morally dubious. making a "free willed" robot/sim may not actually engender the type of "self-aware consciousness" we consider ourselves to have; nor does such an act necessarily have moral implications for an advanced/alien civilisation. we keep terrariums of entire ant colonies - is that immoral? if a matroshka brain civilisation tried to explain the multiverse to us, we'd likely seem as clueless/lowly to them as ants seem to us.
furthermore, "morality" itself is subjective and likely an outgrowth of social evolution (i.e. to keep the peace among violent apes by establishing baselines for fairness). simulated sentience can logically be deemed to violate no moral codes at all, or we could evolve further to relax our standards of morality altogether: some ends may justify the means.
what if sim zoos are necessary to "cultivate" higher consciousness in some way? that the data generated by sim zoo sentience actually feeds some giga-algorithm's quantum random number generator to fuel a multiversal consciousness? there are some huge gaps in our knowledge in this realm, so who knows?
The Fermi Paradox is and always will be very intriguing. Great video as always John.
There's a recent hypothesis that Dark Energy may not exist and it could be explained by us living in an area of the universe that is sparsly populated.
Imagine our observable universe being the equivalent of the Bootes' void in the actual universe.
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It's a crime that he doesn't have much more subs. I can't remember how I found this channel. But when I did discover it, I binged on all the videos. And it's one of the channels I put on when I'm going to sleep now.
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This is exactly how the Federation, and their representative, Captain Kirk, treat emerging civilizations.
Star trek isn't real
The Prime Directive
@@dannyjackson5883 WHAT???
@@mbaxter22 Pay no mind, he’s clearly delusional.
Except all those times Captains wiped their ass with the Prime Directive.
I was really interested in the last point you made about communication times. What are your thoughts about the possibility that we discover an alien civilization around an ancient star system? In other words, a civilization that almost certainly no longer exists today, but one which we can view through deep space
Statistically it is more likely that we discover a past civilisation exactly that way. The slice of the sphere of space that surrounds us gets larger the further it is away, that means a more distant slice of sphere will contain more star systems than one closer to us. And obviously the greater the distance, the more signal delay, therefore the bigger the chance the signal source is already destroyed.
It will be a long time before we can see stats outside of the milky way well enough to look for life.
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1) The totally peaceful overwatching aliens give humanity a complete record of our past existence. 2) Humanity commits collective suicide in embarrassment. 3) Aliens sigh with relief and move on to the destruction of the next potentially competing race.
"Humanity commits collective" Luckily there are people for whom it would be against their religion or are totally shameless. Realistically the hold out of our civilisation would be an interesting place.
In the series Earth final Conflict, by Gene Roddenberry, which really should have had a better conclusion, they actually highlighted cognitive dissonance. With the arrival of an ancient alien race that comes peace and Gifts technology etcetera there were waves of suicides because people's belief systems were shattered. Others adapted still others formed a new religion.
A short but very deep episode!
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Yes, it's in the cards for the next video.
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I'm hoping the Webb telescope is an eye opener for the human race. Maybe they will point it at a star system and see a whole lot we have never been able to detect before and just think "huh so that was there".
Sounds exactly like the Prime Directive from Star Trek.
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easily my new favorite solution to the paradox. This was well thought out, thanks for sharing
Someday we may regret providing a roadmap to us that was slapped onto v’ger.
Excellent reference. Well done.
Have always dreaded and anticipated that day would come
I'm sure we will regret posting nudes on there.
Given the fact that it will take no more than a couple centuries (or less) for sentient machines to arise, and it would take Voyager several thousand years to reach even the nearest star system, I'd say that's the least of our worries.
Or the exact opposite and it's a horny species that finds us and we live on in eternal nirvana
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Very well put, thanks! Generally speaking, I've had trouble subscribing to the "Great Silence" possibility, but I've also never heard (or read) an explanation that was this clear. It does make perfect sense to me, though. Another great video in the series. Cheers!
Thank you for your thought provoking content!
One of the best you've ever posted... Wow
I've learned so much from you John, but I must admit. Your voice is also soothing, so much so it's great to listen to you when in exhausted, and it helps me sleep. Lol sorry. But thank you.
Always fascinating. Thank you!
Loved it! Thanks. I love a good rumination on the Fermi Paradox!
This is the Prime Directive, extended version. Although unevolved humans still use currency, insurance, and politicians, we have to think this way if we actually can get into space, bypassing the aforementioned.
Wonderful timing as always, gonna dream about space tonight. Thanks!
Love it when you release a video before I sleep ☺️
Exactly. Whether it is good timing or TH-cam's algorithm a JMG video before bedtime is a regular habit..
It’s nice to see this channel grow so large! I’ve been here since the start!!!
'....distracted by his third spawn's decision not to go to college...'
and BAM...terra-dactyl in your cage! 👌🏻
Been awhile since I’ve watched one of these. It is great.
Excellent video. Well thought out and very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
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Not gonna lie, John, I absolutely love these Fermi Paradox videos. So many possible solutions... I've always favored the Interdict scenario (too much Star Trek and the Prime Directive when I was younger, I suppose, but it makes sense to me), so this has been a fascinating watch. Thank you, and keep 'em coming!
My list of solutions actually passed 100 recently. Plenty of material for new videos on the paradox.
@@JohnMichaelGodier You, sir, are just teasing me now. Bring 'em on!
this is an interesting variant of the Fermi paradox that I had not been previously aware of... thank you.
Another great, thought provoking vid, thanks Godier 👽🖖🏻
Thank you, John! Great video!
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Thoughtful, and perhaps a plausible reason for the apparent lack of neighbors. I still lean towards our being Prometheus.
@@InterviewsWithTheAncients Hello. If you take a moment and re-read what I said in my comment, you will undoubtedly note that I made no mention about people lying about anything. I have no idea if they are lying or simply mistaken. I like billions of other people have a rather high quality camera in my phone though, and I'll be sure to post any images of unusual activity that I spot. In high quality video. I'd love to be proven wrong about the universe for all intents and purposes being empty (if we can never communicate, it doesn't matter if they are out there or not). Trillions of galaxies, and most of them forever beyond our horizon. Our local group looks... empty of any Interstellar activity. And on another note... any species that could get here from another star undetected, wouldn't need to abduct anyone. Kind of an odd notion, considering the level of medical technology they'd have to have to even make it here.. in fact, abductions and experimentation in such a way seems.. rather primitive. A bit unbecoming of an advanced species, no?
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Don't take this the wrong way but between you and Isaac Arthor, your voices and subjects are what I listen to at night to help me fall asleep, just watched so many vids your voices are so comforting.
The plebxxxxxxx star with the elements that shouldn`t be there has fascinated me since you brought it to my attention. I think this is a good take on fermi`s paradox, but still cant get my head around a dyson sphere. If youre so advanced you can build one, you dont need it.
This was the perfect way to end my night and wind down for bed.
Cloaked aliens are so common, they account for the predicted dark matter.
Scary stuff.
There's a channel im subscribed to that uses a thermal weapon scope to scan the sky for invisible objects and he sees crazy amounts. ufo hunter joey I believe?
He's had some contact by "hitting" them with a green laser which I'm sure takes them by surprise. The sky is filled with them all over the globe I'm sure.
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I watch these videos to fall asleep but I just end up intrigued and can’t sleep lol
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“The Interdicked Scenario” an intergalactic adult film
Ooh, an interspecies gangbang series
Contact.
Just 'contact' works for porn lol.
Hi John.
Is life a von Neumann robot?
Imperfect little self-replicating robots.
That can seed itself throughout the galaxy?
(And beyond, if started at the outset).
That's a fun idea. I bet there's a few good books in that idea.
This is definitely one of the more palatable scenarios!
Agreed, my personal speculation is that either: 1) we are early 2) something like this scenario 3) advanced tech civilizations tend to turn inward at some point (such as perfect VR and the ability to create anything they can imagine in VR).
These videos are awesome!
Perfect timing again!! ❤❤👍👍😎😎
Definitely great voice and explanations!!!
I'm not kidding, right about when you said "the great silence" my phone silenced and bugged for a bit
Always thought provoking material in this great milky way in which we liiiiiive ❤😊
Beware aliens with spawn who have questionable life choices. Thanks for the video John! Still the best on TH-cam.
I'm a 33 year old guy but I always become a curious boy whenever I hear JMG's voice. I'm so happy to share a universe with this man.
*Where’s my UAPs video John?* You mentioned you’d be making one soon! 😠 😂
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