Bojack Horseman: Making the Best of a Bad Situation

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  • @Monoflower2
    @Monoflower2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1887

    I’m not sad Bojack is ending. I’d much rather see it go out on a wave than in a gutter. I’m just hoping that Waks, Hanawalt, and rest of the Bojack team goes on to make even more incredible stories in the future.

    • @DT-yw4ob
      @DT-yw4ob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      "stares in the general direction of Fox's animation division" Yeah, i can see why

    • @mindseyemusicreview
      @mindseyemusicreview 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I'd rather have Bojack go out with a gigantic explosion than fade into obscurity like Family Guy

    • @channelnamehere5944
      @channelnamehere5944 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@mindseyemusicreview I don't think Family Guy was ever good. It's always had garbage writers.

    • @noracf
      @noracf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I believe Undone is as or even more promising than BoJack at the beginning

    • @talkkari5460
      @talkkari5460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There was no gutter to be had... There was ideas how to end it after couple seasons onward. Now they just had to wrap it early. Though notified early so there was time to prepare and rewrite...

  • @bryntendo
    @bryntendo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +656

    Bojack is the only show currently that makes me feel like I'm watching actual people when I watch it, and it's an internet cartoon about a horse-man. That's fucking awesome.

    • @sarahrecovery2700
      @sarahrecovery2700 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bryn

    • @OverlyPositiveFanboy
      @OverlyPositiveFanboy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not an internet cartoo... wait, if TH-cam counts as a streaming service and that's Internet, then..... maybe...

    • @84blizzle
      @84blizzle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know what you mean. It's like I forget they're supposed to be animals. Not only does the credit go to the writing, but also to the animation.

    • @84blizzle
      @84blizzle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@OverlyPositiveFanboy Netflix is the internet... even though I forget sometimes too, until there's a buffering error and I'm like, "oh that's right... I'm online."

    • @asnider3155
      @asnider3155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have often found animated characters get me more emotionally invested. I don't know why that is.

  • @zeroanonymity9736
    @zeroanonymity9736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +723

    After seeing the second half:
    You could tell they wanted a bit more time. A few things that could have been built upon a bit more (Mr. Peanutbutter's self discovery, PC's relationship with Judah, Todd's relationship with his family and his new girlfriend) but there was nothing glaringly broken about it. It ended in a way I don't think I'll ever forget.

    • @shewillsmash
      @shewillsmash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      Also maybe how hollyhock is and seeing Diane being happily settled with Guy.

    • @Katherine-en8lv
      @Katherine-en8lv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Perfectly said! I loved it but felt like another season could flesh out the "new" chapters in the characters' lives

    • @imperfect_dan7519
      @imperfect_dan7519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@shewillsmash Eh that would be a bit too heavy handed

    • @darkfruit2412
      @darkfruit2412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I saw Judah and PC's conclusion as the "You just settle." conversation from S3, when BoJack confronts a runaway bride.
      But yes, I do agree they could've spent some more time on it. Still a 9/10 season though, personally.

    • @mhoakenson6097
      @mhoakenson6097 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      and kelsey 😭

  • @kaysonoleen5261
    @kaysonoleen5261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +950

    the monologue in “Free Churro” is one of my absolute favorite episodes of television period ever.

    • @LikeTheBuffalo
      @LikeTheBuffalo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      .... Is this Funeral Parlor B?

    • @gregoryporter-gaming2559
      @gregoryporter-gaming2559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I see you

    • @inscrutablewut
      @inscrutablewut 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      The monologue literally IS the episode. The entire thing. It's beautiful.

    • @java1.130
      @java1.130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      My favorite episode is either the Sarah Lyn planetarium one or the escape from LA episode

    • @gregoryporter-gaming2559
      @gregoryporter-gaming2559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Java 1.1 The planetarium episode is another masterpiece. I was so invested.
      Can‘t remember the escape from L.A. tho.

  • @BlueberryBlanket
    @BlueberryBlanket 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1298

    Bojack is art that's only gotten better with every season. But the almighty Netflix algorithm says after so many episodes a show stops bringing in new viewers, so it gets the axe. I'm so glad Bojack got to exist.

    • @megashark3870
      @megashark3870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      Ah, I'm not so sure. I think the show needed an ending. Otherwise, Bojack would ironically become the very same thing that they criticize. "The show must go on."

    • @jacobkakyoin6882
      @jacobkakyoin6882 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Agreed. While it sucks that it was the choice of Netflix and not the team, especially on the heels of Tuca and Bertie being screwed after one season, I remember finishing season 5 with the distinct feeling of "I think we're working up to a perfect natural ending for the story within a season or two." Best for a show to go out high than go out Bart.

    • @renel8964
      @renel8964 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah, meaning the last few eps r gonna be jam packed w/ Bojack gold, no filler.

    • @partycitydumpster
      @partycitydumpster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My ranking of the seasons is just a list of the seasons in reverse chronological order. Except I'm going to wait for the rest of s6 to decide on it.

    • @noahreisner5199
      @noahreisner5199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@megashark3870 I agree but the creators agree too and this wasn't the ending they wanted. My guess is they had two, maybe three seasons left and that's why they needed some extra episodes this season to make up for them not getting that. My guess is two seasons, one would've been the first half, the second the other half. It's why, as much as I absolutely love this season it's the first time the show feels (only slightly) rushed. Characters need an episode each to make up for the lack of arcs over a season. It's unfortunate but the fact the show still feels so good is a testement to the shows quality.

  • @conradomapelle4662
    @conradomapelle4662 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3031

    I think Bojack is ending at a proper time; it's sad but it's fair. You either die a Bojack Horseman, or you live long enough to see yourself become The Simpsons.

    • @TheDrinkyDude
      @TheDrinkyDude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      Simpsons, family guy, so many shows that just keep going

    • @unknowndane4754
      @unknowndane4754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +165

      I will always advocate for a show ending with a satisfying conclusion or at an attempt at it over simply dragging out for the sake of dragging out.

    • @ddsjgvk
      @ddsjgvk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I don't think Bojack would go on as long as the Simpsons did.

    • @HunterSchramm
      @HunterSchramm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      if the simpsons characters grew older and had continuing stories they would have more to tell

    • @markhenstock3757
      @markhenstock3757 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      It's better to burn out than to fade away...

  • @sharebear9165
    @sharebear9165 4 ปีที่แล้ว +779

    A good example of writers failing to adapt is How I Met Your Mother. They had a set ending planned out since the beginning which was, admittedly, good on paper. But they failed to take account of one important thing: the characters had changed.

    • @JamieJeano3.14
      @JamieJeano3.14 4 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      When watching this show you can feel this aswell. Like at the beginning you want ted and robin 2 be together because of hpw much he wants it but throught the build up of the reveal of the mother and how ted and Robin's relationship becomes more of a sibling kind of love than a romantic one makes you realise that they both deserve better no matter how much they want it. The ending feels like the writers destroyed all the character build up (including barney's arc) to get the ending that felt forced

    • @danielle-jg3ee
      @danielle-jg3ee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      They literally shot the ending (final scene) in season 3 and refused to rewrite it even when the characters had completely changed...it makes me so mad when people defend the ending because it was just so lazy and a horrible disservice to the characters and story.

    • @tyrant-den884
      @tyrant-den884 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      And frankly: Ted and Robin never worked together.

    • @someguy9204
      @someguy9204 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      They should've been smarter and filmed multiple endings. Not taking into account that things might change is stupid.

    • @guatomala1851
      @guatomala1851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@tyrant-den884 I see what you all mean, but after many, many watchings of HIMYM, I've begun to accept the ending as it does make sense. Ted did love Robin and always would and Robin did love Ted (maybe not as much as Ted loved her). But they both wanted different things in life - Ted kids and Robin career. Independently they both got what they wanted and then why not be happy together after that you know? Doesn't mean that Ted used the Mother to have kids. Ted loved her too and she was the one (and she didn't want Ted to be alone). However, I do prefer Robin and Barney together but I also love Barney with a kid because he kind of deserved the happiness. I'm glad HIMYM ended when it did and didn't drag on any longer, but I would have loved to see BoJack last a little longer. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk

  • @theboybandana6372
    @theboybandana6372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    This is the first time I am seeing Waksberg and the first time I am noticing that him and Herb Kazazz are very physically similar

    • @jorgeluz9560
      @jorgeluz9560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Also I got to see him in person once. He dresses exactly like BoJack.

    • @theboybandana6372
      @theboybandana6372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jorge Luz that’s really interesting, do you think the dressing is a similarity he did after the show or something he based BoJacks design off of.

    • @jorgeluz9560
      @jorgeluz9560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@theboybandana6372 good question. It was an event for the release of season 4. The outfit wasn't exactly the same colors as BoJack's, but very much in the same style.

  • @theeternalslayer
    @theeternalslayer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +276

    6 seasons is fine, I'd rather it go out on top when it's still good then see it get milked to death

    • @V2ULTRAKill
      @V2ULTRAKill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Eh, while ending amazingly it couldve had 8 seasons and ended truly unmatched as the best adulg animated series that has ever or will ever exist

    • @somemong989
      @somemong989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think it ran for just the right amount of time, personally. I was surprised that it was cancelled although parts of the last season did feel rushed.

    • @imperfect_dan7519
      @imperfect_dan7519 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@V2ULTRAKill It still did end as the best animated cartoon lol

    • @V2ULTRAKill
      @V2ULTRAKill 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@imperfect_dan7519 thats debateable
      If you account for anime
      And futurama it has competition
      If the final season hadnt been rushed it would be undisputable
      Right now I consider certain anime superior overall
      Serial Experiments Lain, Nawaru Penguindrum, Legend of the Galactic Heroes
      But western cartoons only its very strong
      I was arguing across all animation it could've been the absolute best

    • @Johnlindsey289
      @Johnlindsey289 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's better to pull a My Little Pony FIM, Futurama, King of the Hill, Regular Show etc. than become Weekend at Bernies (if anyone has seen that dark comedy movie and know what i mean) like The Simpsons, Family Guy and Spongebob

  • @Persuasions
    @Persuasions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +311

    Whats incredibly sad is that Bojack was cancelled because the animators went on strike for being treated like shit in the industry. No other reason except to punish them for unionizing.

    • @kattakid9884
      @kattakid9884 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Reminds me of something

    • @shewillsmash
      @shewillsmash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Honestly that's why we need to unionize more, so they can't treat us like this

    • @MikoyanGurevichMiG21
      @MikoyanGurevichMiG21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      @@kattakid9884 Ironically there was a whole episode in season 6 about unionizing, (assistant's strike)

    • @Jesusprayerwarriorbw
      @Jesusprayerwarriorbw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unions are shit! Create lazy workers that's over paid! And they are corrupt to the bone

    • @axelpatrickb.pingol3228
      @axelpatrickb.pingol3228 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kattakid9884 Disney Studio's 1941 Strike?

  • @johnnyjohnson2826
    @johnnyjohnson2826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +279

    I feel like if netflix didnt stretch themselves so thin, this wouldn't be a problem. Like I only just heard of bojack this year, why is one of their greatest shows not being marketed to me? Same thing with altered carbon nobody has even heard of that show but it was incredible. Netflix only heavily markets their *absolute best* shows (basically just stranger things and witcher) and everything else just gets chucked into the pile

    • @Ray03595
      @Ray03595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Yeah, they need to change their algorithms and make it easier to find stuff. But also, I feel like a lot of subscribers dont like to go outside their comfort zones. Netflix constantly has big banners showing their new shows on their apps, so much of the market occurs on Netflix itself, and not other platforms. It seems like they do only save mass marketing for the big guns like Stranger Things, The Crown, House of Cards. I hate when people say there is nothing on Netflix when there is a TON of content though. Can't be afraid to dip into foreign shows, animation, docuseries, etc. When I pick a new show, it's usually done on a whim and being unafraid to try something new.

    • @Fists91
      @Fists91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Everyone in my circle knows about Bojack and altered carbon, even if they never watched them. These are quite niche shows though and not worth advertising to most people, for those that enjoy the water cooler talk aspect of a show Bojack gives very little material that can be discussed in a tweet.

    • @singenstattatmen5096
      @singenstattatmen5096 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah, same thing with Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. I absolutely love that show, but only heard about it when it had already been canceled (on one hell of a cliffhanger, I might add).

    • @doritoarmy1026
      @doritoarmy1026 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The reason tuca and Bertie was cancelled was because there was basically no advertising and then three months later Netflix is wondering is watching it so they cancelled it

    • @angellover02171
      @angellover02171 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like you should follow Netflix TH-cam channel. Altered Carbon was talked about all over the place online same with Bojack.

  • @gooseteeth5455
    @gooseteeth5455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Honestly, this show took its cancellation like a champ. It didn't feel rushed at all. It felt correct.

  • @sociallyineptspider-man2366
    @sociallyineptspider-man2366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +462

    I'm just starting season four of bojack horseman, so far, it's been one of the best pieces of fiction I've exposed myself to in years, hearing that its been cancelled is heartbreaking... But at least it won't burn out and die culturally like the simpsons

    • @Hippiethecat124
      @Hippiethecat124 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      If you feel that way just *starting* S4, you'd better hold on to your booty, friendo, it gets even better.

    • @dccalling5960
      @dccalling5960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Season 4 and 5 are my favorites so get ready for a good time, friend.

    • @alvarengaaustin
      @alvarengaaustin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Hippiethecat124 yeah Season 4 is by far, my favorite season.

    • @bluesolace9052
      @bluesolace9052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Season 4 was my favorite, but the emotional beats and cleverness never fall short once you get passed there. This show is just too good, I don’t even know it’s possible. I just hope Bojack Horseman and it’s creator hold a cult following so a similar show can be made. Nonetheless a show that has progressed more than any others in such a short amount of time

    • @forrestfurry6113
      @forrestfurry6113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's not getting cancelled its ENDING!

  • @williamguzman7488
    @williamguzman7488 4 ปีที่แล้ว +272

    I’m surprised not many people make video essays on BJH, but your are outstanding.

    • @foamingclean596
      @foamingclean596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I'm surprised at how little coverage Bojack has gotten in entertainment media in general.

    • @wm2429
      @wm2429 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      The channel Shady Doorags does some good ones

    • @Douglas_Props
      @Douglas_Props 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wisecrack look them up

    • @dannyherrera6531
      @dannyherrera6531 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Meanwhile there's endless videos for Rick and Morty season 4, which personally to me, is their weakest season yet.

    • @beaniepq
      @beaniepq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wm2429 He had some good videos...until he accused the show of retconning Mr. Peanutbutter and made a strange video defending some indefensible characters in Tuca and Bertie. Haven't watched much from him since.

  • @beingzombievstheworld
    @beingzombievstheworld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +295

    I'm not sad it's ending i'm glad it didn't stayed long enough to be bad like the final seasons of the office or malcolm in the middle game of thrones etc

    • @Robert-td1xm
      @Robert-td1xm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Welcome back to the Chan Chan malcolm in the middle was perfect all the way until the end

    • @andrewfoti-landis545
      @andrewfoti-landis545 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Woah woah woah Malcom in the middle was never bad and had one of the most complete and well thought out endings of a show I’ve ever seen

    • @beingzombievstheworld
      @beingzombievstheworld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@andrewfoti-landis545 i know andrew but the last half seasons are them dealing with wacky unrealistic situations plus having jamie torment her mother just like the rest of the siblings . The whole hal's company conspiracy theory,Reese joining military after a breakup and how conveniently he gets found and so on. Teenage malcom has zero self awareness and shows no character growth compared to the others.

    • @pappadarappa
      @pappadarappa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Or Horsin Around

    • @ComicWriter-ml3qt
      @ComicWriter-ml3qt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome back to the Chan Chan what was wrong with Malcolm in the middle?

  • @poweroffriendship2.0
    @poweroffriendship2.0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    _"Television is not hurting. Television is just a fantastic shape. It's just a golden age for other people."_
    *~ Henry Blodget*

  • @AntyBob23
    @AntyBob23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    I'm surprised that there's no mention of the unionisation of the bojack horseman animation studio.

    • @bardsolas
      @bardsolas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yeah, for all we know that might've played a big role in the cancellation

    • @JosePabloMongeChacon
      @JosePabloMongeChacon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Exactly... I mean it's all nice and all about the biz, but reality is Netflix is against unions, BJH and T&B both got screwed by this

    • @ronnickels5193
      @ronnickels5193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JosePabloMongeChacon companies in general hate unions.

    • @ajiththomas2465
      @ajiththomas2465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Eh, I don't think that had as big as an effect on the series getting cancelled as you may think. Check out this article below.
      www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/an-inside-look-into-the-bojack-horseman-crews-struggle-to-unionize-173542.html
      The animators of Bojack Horseman have been wanting to unionize since Season 1 but they've been held off from doing so by the discouragement of their employers. Things eventually added up over the years but they just boiled out with the animators deciding to finally unionize and negotiate. And the thing is that Netflix shows being union is the norm, not the exception. Upwards of 50 animated Netflix shows have been union shows. Given that Bojack Horseman is one of Netflix's most popular and successful animated series, they very well could afford unionizing the show without any problems. I don't think unionization was the issue that led to the show being cancelled but it's certainly being scapegoated as such. Anyways, check out the article that I linked above as I believe it provides a lot of important context and background information behind the situation on the whole BoJacl Horseman unionization situation.
      While it's unfortunate that BoJack Horseman is going to be end, I think it may have been time. Perhaps the series Creator and writers decided that this was where they wanted to end things. And I applied them for wanting to go out on a high note rather than just artificially extend their lifespan and become bloated bland zombies of their former selves, like Family Guy and The Simpsons. Plus, Bojack Horseman is one of Netflix's longest running animated series as well.
      Anyways, those are my two cents.

    • @kilililian1439
      @kilililian1439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why would there be? Netflix decide it was going to be the last season when they ordered it and the unionization to my knowledge was way later

  • @imkuelllgremlin
    @imkuelllgremlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    they also cancelled tuca and bertie in the same way, anything new, interesting and initiative gets cancelled, PEOPLE, WE DONT WANT THE SAME REPETITIVE STORYS! LET ART BE ART!!!!!

    • @shewillsmash
      @shewillsmash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Especially when the story's about two confident and strong women, one who's black

    • @imkuelllgremlin
      @imkuelllgremlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@shewillsmash YES! EXACTLY! something is really suspicious here. and netflix didn't even advertise it properly

    • @capririusart3826
      @capririusart3826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@imkuelllgremlin I think they did advertise it p well, I saw B&T all over Facebook and on my browser news. I never knew about Bojack until like 2 years later.

    • @imkuelllgremlin
      @imkuelllgremlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@capririusart3826 never saw it, not even a trailer on netflix

    • @capririusart3826
      @capririusart3826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@imkuelllgremlin maybe it's a country thing. I'm from the Philippines, and everyone I knew has seen the trailer at least once.

  • @clmclachlan
    @clmclachlan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Bojack seems to me like a meditation on how to do life. You never know if you're going to be able to wrap your story up in a neat package, so make every episode count on its own.

  • @christiannataylor2735
    @christiannataylor2735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    This show has a special place in my heart. This last season is satisfying and, yet, sad good bye. Hope Waksberg does other things.

    • @XxSh4d0wxX
      @XxSh4d0wxX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Christianna Taylor theres an amazon prime original called Undone that he helped create. The artwork is uniquely amazing and the story is compelling and different. I highly recommend it!

    • @christiannataylor2735
      @christiannataylor2735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@XxSh4d0wxX Thanks, I just got prime recently. I'm going to try it 😀

  • @kiiper13
    @kiiper13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I totally agree, the philosophy of dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain is always true for shows and I’m glad I’ll always be able to say I love every single moment of this show

  • @skidtheflid6140
    @skidtheflid6140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I think bojack could have done with 1 more season before it ended this just feels premature

    • @efoxkitsune9493
      @efoxkitsune9493 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Instead of its extended 16 (or how many) episodes, season 6 should have been 2 full seasons. Still, I loved the ending. It could have used a bit more time to develop certain things and characters, sure... but I have nothing but love, respect and appreciation for the ending we got. Many kudos to the creators, this show is truly one of a kind.

    • @ricklob1222
      @ricklob1222 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was the original goal but Netflix cut it off at season 6

  • @bombabombom3603
    @bombabombom3603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Today, I'm going to give you my analysis of Bojack Horseman, but first off, let me pull you in by teaching you the history of Mesopotamian mathematics.

  • @boobookitty987
    @boobookitty987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    1: how do I become an editor
    2: do you mentor
    3: how much for your services
    4: of course, amazing work on the video. Love them so much. Keep it up

  • @HoodoHoodlumsRevenge
    @HoodoHoodlumsRevenge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Man, your content is incredibly informative and I learn something new with every video. Keep it up, it’s fantastic!

  • @ilovecody7514
    @ilovecody7514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I mean this is probably the most Baojack thing the series could do. Going out at the peak of their run.

  • @FischerFilmStudio
    @FischerFilmStudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +507

    How the hell does Bojack Horseman get cancelled while Big Mouth stays popular? That pisses me off.

    • @Whydoyoureadme
      @Whydoyoureadme 4 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      Kristian Fischer bojack is for young adults in late twenties, big mouth is for teens or young adults in their early twenties, the two groups have very different priorities with their time

    • @Kaiwala
      @Kaiwala 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      BoJack deserves and ending
      Big Mouth merely exists to make them money, I'm fine with its existence. Doesn't mean I'll watch it.

    • @lancelikessause
      @lancelikessause 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I'm a teen and I like bowjack better idk why people like big mouth

    • @Kaiwala
      @Kaiwala 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@lancelikessause I got friends my age (17-18) who like it, it's more of a taste thing than an age thing.

    • @Joseph-cq3ij
      @Joseph-cq3ij 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Bojack's animation studio unionised and Big Mouth's didn't. It's simple as that.

  • @averageplayers5288
    @averageplayers5288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Amazing video
    I’m perfectly fine with Bojack ending. I’d rather have a show I love have a definitive end rather then burn out and have fans come to a consensus that X season or X episode is the best way to stop watching because everything else is trash

    • @antifascistamerican3782
      @antifascistamerican3782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zack Forsberg Here’s a perfect example: That 70’s Show. Fans say to stop watching after Season 7, with Season 8 removing two main characters, introducing a new bland main character, pairing up two unlikely characters, and even more flanderization.
      Personally, the only good thing about this Season was the last two minutes, with the gang having one last “circle”, the countdown to the New Year with a final shot of the empty basement, and the gunshot with the 80’s license plate.

    • @shewillsmash
      @shewillsmash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@antifascistamerican3782 man I hated when Topher Grace left the show. Eric was the lifeblood of that 70s show and trying to watch without him was just painful

  • @kelsey4087
    @kelsey4087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    As much as I love the show, I think Bojack Horseman has reached its natural conclusion. I'm actually okay with it ending with this next season as long as they do it well. I was more upset that Tuca and Bertie got cancelled after one season. I thought that it had a lot of potential and they pulled the plug way too quickly

  • @wholockedholmes5600
    @wholockedholmes5600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think Bojack’s cancellation is a sign of a bigger problem at Netflix but I also think it’s ending at a good time. The show means a lot to me. I was on a bad path before I saw this show and my fear of becoming like Bojack quite honestly scared me out of my depression and I will always be thankful for that. But, when the viewer had learned to become better and grown through watching Bojack, how much longer can they see him fuck up over and over and over again? I hate the idea of this show going on longer and risk becoming bland and a ghost of its former great self.

  • @christian2880
    @christian2880 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to think Free Churro was the peak of the show and the best single episode concept on the entire show. Yet, The View from Halfway Down comes out and I am simply at awe why this show is so good

  • @carlwheezerofsouls3273
    @carlwheezerofsouls3273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Jesus, you cant do me like that! Theres “the show ending” and then theres “cancelled” and you made me think season 6 part 2 wasnt coming out for like a solid minute and a half

    • @fabianavalentino6304
      @fabianavalentino6304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      But it was cancelled, they just let the creator know before hand so he could write an ending.

  • @wonderlustcoffee5517
    @wonderlustcoffee5517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For everyone asking the song that plays throughout (starts at @ 0:30) is Sleepwalk by Santo and Johnny. They were a 1970s Canadian duo and it's a really good song!

  • @JosePabloMongeChacon
    @JosePabloMongeChacon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Sure you can say it got cancelled cuz it's a business. Or you can say that both BH and Tuca and Bertie got cancelled because the animators are unionizing and Netflix is 100 % against unions

    • @fm5280
      @fm5280 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm in favor of collective bargaining, not unions. That being said, while I do feel for the writers I also feel this is a good compromise for the show. Waksberg should have always had the ending written out so that the show he doesn't have keep inventing roadblocks a la Breaking Bad season 5. There's only so much you could reuse this formula of the characters falling then seeing tiny victories only to fall again before you get diminishing returns.

    • @RickJaeger
      @RickJaeger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That, too, is business.

    • @alfa01spotivo
      @alfa01spotivo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jose Pablo Monge Chacon
      Nope a comment above disproves this
      It is Ajith Thomas' reply under A Name's comment

    • @shewillsmash
      @shewillsmash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@fm5280 "collective bargaining" I'm sorry do you understand what unions do? THERE IS NO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING WITHOUT A UNION! I have never hoped someone was joking so badly before in my life.

    • @dracofells5390
      @dracofells5390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@electricfishfan the product isn't but the workers are. Do you know how many skilled animators are out there looking for just the chance to be In the industry. Enough you can fire everyone who complains unless they all do it together. As a union.
      The point of unions is for protection. If everyone unites then the company can't cut out bad opinions like a tumor. They'd have to burn the whole thing down.

  • @HashbrownGokusan
    @HashbrownGokusan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Its funny I found the show when I was running into a bad crisis in my left that lead me to a crossroad, then when I was better I still got to see bojacks depression increase and his identity getting more blurred.
    This allowed me to relate at a point with him, then solidify my change whenI seen I ridiculous I was by seeing how ridiculous bojack was being and later realized.

  • @ClarkieReidri
    @ClarkieReidri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The second half of season 6 comes out on my birthday and that will be the best birthday gift I have ever received

  • @zibix4562
    @zibix4562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly the way I see it the ending is that he finally came to understand that he will have to play roles that are antagonistic, because people will love him in those roles. He accepts that he will never fix what he did do, but he can just continue to go down the route of doing good. Maybe he will never get to play the heroes, but he can be the villain in the roles, and be a good person in real life.

  • @Johnlindsey289
    @Johnlindsey289 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of my fave cartoons of the last decade and one of my fave adult animations! felt real and relatable. A cross between Regular Show, Californication, Fritz the Cat and Duckman. i'm glad it ended on a good note as sometimes you gotta pull a My Little Pony FIM, Regular Show, King of the Hill, Futurama etc. where you end a show on a beautiful note then become a stale and repetitive ongoing puppeted corpse (ala Weekend at Bernies if anyone seen that hilarious 1989 dark comedy) like Simpsons, Spongebb and Family Guy

  • @Shockwave99999
    @Shockwave99999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m just glad this show got the opportunity to have an ending. Also, the writers’ main message about how “there’s no good or bad ending, just the day after” helped them a lot with problems like not being able to wrap up story arcs the way they wanted. If they got to go on for as long as they hoped for, they wouldn’t have made an ending that wrapped everything up perfectly because that would make the characters have a definitive end to their story, and they would completely be going against their own message. Having the show end where it did didn’t feel rushed IMO because the creators knew it didn’t need to. We don’t get to see or even need to see what happens with PC or Diane’s relationships, Todd and his mom’s relationship, Mr. Peanutbutter’s self journey of how he needs to work on himself rather than latch onto others, or Bojack’s time in prison because those will just lead into the next big part of their lives. They ended it off perfectly having them be in a better place in their lives, but still having lots of problems to get through, and having some sort of finality. That being the end of Bojack and Diane’s relationship and them spending one last moment together.

  • @markndlovu4124
    @markndlovu4124 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Someone needs to do a video on the German Netflix show ‘DARK’. Absolutely no one has done videos on it yet it’s one of the most underrated yet best written shows on television currently

    • @Schimmel-Toast
      @Schimmel-Toast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yesss! I loved/love both seasons and I'm looking forward to next year june when season 3 will drop. Sadly I think it doesnt it much attention because it is German and not American or British, so most channels tend to overlook it. It would be awesome if channels like The Take or Behind The Screen analyzed it (because - compared to other shows - there actually *is* a lot to analyze) but I sadly don't think it'll happen

    • @kezkai
      @kezkai 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes!!! One of my favourite Netflix shows

  • @cerealfanatic
    @cerealfanatic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Literally 11 hours ago I was perusing your channel to see if I had missed any old Bojack videos...

  • @MrCirno20
    @MrCirno20 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad you've recovered. Awesome video as always.

  • @christina4563
    @christina4563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find it very interesting that you started this episode with The Golden Era of television. Muuch interesting. As for Bojack.. I have nothing to say. He's my fav. show. I was sad that he'd to come to an end but... In the end you know it's better this way-.

  • @WillKrause21
    @WillKrause21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was always under the impression Bojack wanted to end now, cause this seems like a fitting end for the characters and story.

  • @alexweber9899
    @alexweber9899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I started this video thinking “how can it be good that the show ended early” and ended it thinking yeah he’s right I’m glad they got to end the right way within their own flexible model.

  • @rachelrbsv
    @rachelrbsv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love your videos because not only I can watch/listen to a very good opinion about storytelling but also learn a lot of new things as well!

  • @jenc5947
    @jenc5947 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i wouldn’t change a single thing about season 6. it was so great and i think it was truly a masterpiece. the view from halfway down was amazing for a million different reasons. but i can’t help but wish netflix didn’t cancel it earlier than the writers would’ve liked. watching and rewatching it now i still think it’s perfect, but i can’t help but be so curious as to where else they could’ve gone with the characters, and more specifically, if they would’ve ever been able to look more into Butterscotch and his upbringing. We got to see part of why Beatrice was so cold, bitter, and heartless, not to justify her terrible actions but to provide an explanation as to why and how she could be so cruel. and i guess i just wonder if they were ever planning to do something similar with Butterscotch, or at least give a little more insight as to who he is or who he was before meeting Beatrice and having Bojack. Even if it wasn’t a deep dive into his childhood like Beatrice, but just something. I’m so curious as to if that was something they wanted to do but couldn’t bc they had to stop after season 6, or if they just never really had a desire to do that at all

  • @ansemd6040
    @ansemd6040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for another fantastic episode on, at least in my opinion, one of the best shows that we can watch right now and hopefully witness a great ending. Keep up the great work your doing here on youtube, I'm always excited to see a notification about a new video from your channel.

  • @Blaktimus
    @Blaktimus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I have a homie who thinks this show is surface, and people reach for it to be deep.
    Similarly into finding deep takes on starwars beyond "the force wills it therefore it is". To each their own.

    • @lucaslimacoaracy4904
      @lucaslimacoaracy4904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I used to think that as well, maybe for the the first couple of seasons. But there are some brilliant moments that I can't possibly imagine being surface - such as the mother monologue. They made me realize how much the show is well thought.

    • @Blaktimus
      @Blaktimus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lucaslimacoaracy4904 dont even watch BJH but the mom monologue had me in the diner with the coffee cup looking mad stern like the SpongeBob meme.

  • @samybishay2916
    @samybishay2916 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gold is THE MOST flexible and malleable material ON EARTH? WHAT?

  • @batatapalio2676
    @batatapalio2676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gourgeous animation is quite a strech, but well

  • @isakohman5105
    @isakohman5105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bojack is likely the greatest piece of dramatic animation ever made, and it's end being planned now could have that statement be even more true

  • @AnthropogenicInversion
    @AnthropogenicInversion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    15:55 no, gold isn’t the most flexible material on earth

    • @ottovonjizzmark9864
      @ottovonjizzmark9864 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But it is the most malleable element... which is what he said

  • @jessietwinkman7145
    @jessietwinkman7145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe it's just a rumour but I'm pretty sure it was canceled along with tuca and bertie because the staff tried to unionise

  • @volodyadykun6490
    @volodyadykun6490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Recently Wisecrack also made new video on BoJack, funny

  • @chip0109
    @chip0109 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This show is just so so good. So lucky to have found this show in 2018

  • @godsendmusic5911
    @godsendmusic5911 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Re watched it again finished it last weekend hit me just as hard if not harder this time around

  • @jlinus7251
    @jlinus7251 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really the ending was perfect for the show so I'm glad it ended. If they dragged it out more, the characters would fumble and go through the same motions again. Now we got an ending that legitimately keeps viewers thinking about the themes and intricacies of the characters and their relationships going forward.

  • @B88-h6n
    @B88-h6n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent essay - How to die is an art in itself

  • @HITCHICARUS
    @HITCHICARUS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Speaking from the interesting future of 2021, I can confirm BoJack Horseman ended up being the best animated television show of all time.

  • @jamesklark6562
    @jamesklark6562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wouldn't necessarily say Bojack has "Gorgeous Animation" the rigs are pretty simple anatomically flawed even for the human characters, everything other than your comment on the animation is on point.

  • @Seiza25
    @Seiza25 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a beautiful use of a metaphor at the end

  • @3triplezero0
    @3triplezero0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Huh I thought that season 6 was a perfect time to end it. Anymore I feel like it would have dragged.

  • @Doodlebob108
    @Doodlebob108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This culture of cancelling shows suddenly actually has me scared to watch new shows. I usually wait until a show is over and watch it only if I know it had a proper and satisfying ending. That's exactly what I did with BoJack. I didn't start watching until the last season aired. Of course, I didn't know at the time about how BoJack wraps up the narrative of each season.

  • @aappaapp6627
    @aappaapp6627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I first found out about BH being cancelled before the creators wanted it to, I was very worried that I would get a rushed, watered-down ending. But hearing this video and Waks's comments about ending the show guve me more hope and optimism than how i felt before

  • @Pimpedout007101
    @Pimpedout007101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bojack was on top from the beginning. Problem was people didn’t know until season 3 or 4. That being said season 2 was much better than 1

  • @jessyweeks4979
    @jessyweeks4979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The end wouldn't hurt so much if there was a similar show to fill the hole. A show like Tuca and Bertie oh wait

  • @1TerryNova
    @1TerryNova 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This show was a beautiful trip into my psyche

  • @sawderf741
    @sawderf741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate Santo and Johny in the background.

  • @sleepycowboy18
    @sleepycowboy18 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that im sad that it ends makes me happier and fulfilled, sadly a lot of great and popular anime or japanese manga continues and milked until it dries and long before it ends following it becomes a chore.

  • @whereismyjam8491
    @whereismyjam8491 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a truly beautiful video. Thank you

  • @makeshift307
    @makeshift307 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was good that it ended at a point where the narrative was made to come to a conclusion, instead of running into the ground after falling off track, it crossed the finish line with pure brilliance...

  • @lolwasabi
    @lolwasabi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally agree! If given the chance I think the writers could write innumerable fuck ups for bojack each different and w different implications but I think they perfectly set up the circumstances (what he has done and how he feels about it then vs now) where his story can close out on a note that they want it to. No idea if it’s going to be a good necessarily but I’m excited to see!

  • @Neethan3247
    @Neethan3247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On one hand, I am sad that this wonderful show is ending prematurely. On the other, is it really premature? Six seasons is a bloody good run and there was only so much more they could have done. That's what I keep telling myself now that it's over. I hope the last season is good.

  • @andyspendlove1019
    @andyspendlove1019 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Can't believe you didn't even mention Breaking Bad during the discussion of the Second Golden Era. Great video though!

    • @iimmannii
      @iimmannii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They showed it on screen.

  • @Keshein
    @Keshein 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasnt this meant to be the last season anyways i mean it makes sense this is literally the most perfect time to end it

  • @renel8964
    @renel8964 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I hope that Todd reindeer skit actually happens

  • @knife5926
    @knife5926 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    NBC hannibals director also ended each season with the intent of having "closure" and enough loose ends for interest. bojack and hannibal have been my favorite for several years, its funny to draw this commonality between them.

  • @johnnylight0
    @johnnylight0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    today i finished watching the show after binging it for like 4 days and i definitely love it. never bored during it. way better that most other adult animated shows. if it wasn't animated and featuring anthro animal people (any explication for why that is?), i'd see it no different than a live action show. very enthralling and enjoyable and i can see why many call it the best show they've seen and it's good that it gets a proper ending, when compared to other shows that have been around for way too long

  • @luisdunn2748
    @luisdunn2748 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do a breakdown on The Wire! Such great TV and storytelling.

  • @justjamminjazzy
    @justjamminjazzy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the show Community wasn’t sold to Yahoo Originals and kept the same cast, it would have also been one of those shows that was great from beginning to end. #6seasonsandamovie

  • @mbitanyandeni
    @mbitanyandeni 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best video essay on BJH! Wonderful stuff..

  • @sharebear9165
    @sharebear9165 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video analysis as always :)

  • @fireman1226576
    @fireman1226576 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I literally forgot this was about bojack for the first 5 min until he mentioned it again. I was like “oh this is an interesting video essay on the history of cinema”

  • @asnider3155
    @asnider3155 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    while done the the context of writing. This is a lesson for life and all of us.

  • @AlbertoFolres
    @AlbertoFolres 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "I'm going to refer to him as Waks"
    * and then proceeds to not do that *

  • @khizarch4910
    @khizarch4910 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice, man. Love ALL your videos!

  • @jacobshroyer6109
    @jacobshroyer6109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some people don’t like how bojack ended, but I think it was a powerful ending.

    • @jaishmohammed5383
      @jaishmohammed5383 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, he had to face literally everything he has ever done. What happens in his life depends on the decisions he takes from now on.

  • @Kommunismus
    @Kommunismus ปีที่แล้ว

    14:20 real nothingburger pooh-pooh'ing some nebulous idea of "the fans"

  • @KyleRayner12
    @KyleRayner12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It has to be pointed out that "Failure to adapt can really poison your future prospects" is one of the central themes of Bojack both textually and subtextually.

  • @kirbydedede2494
    @kirbydedede2494 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If only we could catch a glimpse of what the extra season would look like.

  • @harrisont2004
    @harrisont2004 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I completely agree. So good to have a show end on its own terms than to drag on and die or equally cancel far too prematurely.

  • @lillydevil2486
    @lillydevil2486 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God I wish people would just stop movies or tv or book series at a reasonably length and not keep going on and on and on. I just seen a trailer for Mission Impossible SEVEN. And Spongebob has been going on for over 20 years
    It kinda feels like keeping grandma alive on a ventilator even though she's cancer-ridden and in agony. But people just won't let her die

  • @rafaelsoto4742
    @rafaelsoto4742 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm glad they're playing it safe and adapting. I'd rather see this show have a great ending rather than go 15 seasons and just eat shit near the end

  • @iandavid7730
    @iandavid7730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A few more shows would have benefited from 'next season will be the last' rather than 'this season will be the last'.

  • @Hambo21
    @Hambo21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was fucking excellent, you're great

  • @ruaridhusher4373
    @ruaridhusher4373 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are genuinely my favourite youtuber. I think you would be fantastic on Nebula. (It's like YT but only educational, and you actually get paid) (they've already got the infinitely inferior Terrible Writing Advice up in there)

  • @ajiththomas2465
    @ajiththomas2465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't think the unionization of BoJack Horseman's animation studio had as big as an effect on the series getting cancelled as people may think. Check out this article below.
    www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/an-inside-look-into-the-bojack-horseman-crews-struggle-to-unionize-173542.html
    The animators of Bojack Horseman have been wanting to unionize since Season 1 but they've been held off from doing so by the discouragement of their employers. Things eventually added up over the years but they just boiled over with the animators deciding to finally unionize and negotiate. And the thing is that Netflix shows being union is the norm, not the exception. Upwards of 50 animated Netflix shows have been union shows. Given that Bojack Horseman is one of Netflix's most popular and successful animated series, they very well could afford unionizing the show without any problems whatsoever. I don't think unionization was the issue that led to the show being cancelled but it's certainly being scapegoated as such. Anyways, check out the article that I linked above as I believe it provides a lot of important context and background information behind the situation on the whole BoJacl Horseman unionization situation.
    While it's unfortunate that BoJack Horseman is going to be end, I think it may have been time. Perhaps the series Creator and writers decided that this was where they wanted to end things. And I applaud them for wanting to go out on a high note rather than just artificially extend their lifespan and become bloated bland zombies of their former selves, like Family Guy and The Simpsons. Plus, Bojack Horseman is one of Netflix's longest running animated series as well. It was always bound to end one of these days.
    Anyways, those are my two cents.

  • @raylast3873
    @raylast3873 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny how everyone is so willing to make excuses for decisions made by corporations on purely monetary grounds, when this is clearly to the detriment of the art.

  • @Seiza25
    @Seiza25 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We absolutely need more writers like Waks in the future.