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I‘m a relatively new player. Gotta say unlike in real life being space poor can actually be a pretty fun place to be in. I don’t worry to much about my income but I do enjoy flying a variety of cool space ships. On thing I like about EVE is the ability to form your own goals and have fun on every level of play.
I returned to eve after a 5 year break with 12bil in assets and liquidated all of it to isk. That 12bil turned to 1bil liquid with new assets and a new plan. Fast forward 2 and a half months later and I have now gone from 1bil isk/12bil assets to 20bil in assets and 40bil in isk.
the biggest change for me was scaling, space rich or space poor it’s completely feasible. You just need to discover and explore what works for you and what’s feasible and possible. Find an active income as well as a passive, learn how to use the time efficiently to where your activities flow together and it’s seamless. Once you hit that rhythm and the isk flows from those activities use that isk and double down on what your doing and expand it, then repeat and rinse.
We often look at the ceiling in the game and grasp for what’s at the tops when in reality we should be looking around with what we have around us and figuring out how to expand that to get us to the top.
What I did... 1) Started off with high sec mission running. Got into a ship that can kill almost everything in a lvl 4 security mission. Learned how to max out getting SP. (Before login rewards, skill injectors, and the daily skilling spree stuff.) First thing to do is to get biology lvl 5 and cybernetics lvl 5. Doubles the time of your boosters/training drugs and gets you plus 5 implants to max out your SP earning. Then there are the social skills to max out the ISK and LP per mission. Just make sure you don't get into a situation where you could get podded. Those implants can get pricey.
2) Sprinkled in salvaging and scrap metal processing lvl 5. (This was before the stupid ore redistribution.) Scooped up everything from step 1. Saved the ammo, the drones, the grapplers, and warp disruption field generators. Sold them at the nearest main market hub and reprocessed the rest. Salvaging drones and MTUs are good ISK makers at times. Just be mindful when you use the MTUs. There are people who hunt them down near lvl 4 mission hubs.
3) Started collecting BPOs and got them researched. Mainly ammo and sub cap ship BPOs. Everyone needs a ship and bullets for their guns. Used the minerals from step 2 from to build and the LP from step 1 for the shiny faction stuff. Gives you the ability to have more than one mission running ship too just in case it goes boom.
4) Took one of my alts and trained it into maxing out BPO researching and copying. The pilot is currently maxing out invention for all the shiny sub caps.
5) Since you are allowed three pilots per account. You can gain research points for data cores from 6 research agents each. 18 different data cores. This will cover just about every type of invention for anything tech 2 and the only ship needed for that is the venture. Just make sure that the research mission agents don't send you into low sec.
6) Same thing from step 5 for planetary interaction. 6 planets per pilot. Can be sold for ISK or gather materials to build tech 2. I now take the drones gathered from step 2 and the invention from step 4 and turn them into tech 2 to sell on the market. I have to buy a couple of moon goo products to finish the build on it though.
This plan took me about a year to do. Didn't use any skill injectors but I abused the hell out of farming the event sites for training drugs, neural remapping, and jumping into a plus 5 training clone every time I could remember to do so when I logged off for the night. But now I have a descent BPO collection safely tucked away in an NPC station. Just about every tech 1 sub cap ship BPO you can get. Missing 6. The only thing I changed is that step 1 is now replaced by ratting in null sec. I just make a crap ton of BPCs, invention on some, and run those copies out to null sec to build and see things go boom. .... and a little bit of moon mining to help build the tech 2. Close to 200 billion in assets and I am thinking about getting into wormhole stuff to build dreads since now capital builders need to huff gas sites.
Love this type of talk. Ultimately as long as you have the isk to do the things you enjoy you are doing perfectly fine.
I’m currently at 76b isk and under 2b in assets as I’m getting used to living in null sec.
Money management in Eve is a tough, tough thing. But as long as you’re having fun.
One thing I think though that does need mentioned here is it isn’t hard for new players to get to space upper-middle class. For example I’ve only had an account for less than a year. But the $650 plex pack is almost 100b. I was able to buy around 40m SP in injectors and have the 76b isk in a year. So it isn’t all older players sitting at these wealth levels.
Living in WH mining Ice in nul, still can find that new ore, and the Nul sec system im in fits the Requirements
@@babies_eve don't have the 650$ for the plex :/
@@balla2172 Trust me, you don't need it. Buy one or two months and see how you are when it runs out.
As a 10yo player in strugging fo 3 months mining to get a pair of ore miners
As a "Space Rich" person, his description is not me at all. Lol I am an asset rich kinda player, don't look at my wallet.
I felt that 😂
So true I’m sitting on 2 titans and a super carrier and I don’t ever have any liquid isk lol I’m currently sitting on 10 million isk liquid
@@Droladnap why do you have 2 titans
@@brendonprophette8890 if you could have 2 different race titans, why not
Your space rich. But these are broad categories.
It means you got the assets to do whatever you want. Wealth ( in both eve and in life ) is really about freedom. The richer you are, the more freedom you have.
Now everyone has a different route to get rich ( I just achieved rich this year ), you could just grind isk and get pretty rich doing that if your dedicated, and that requires perhaps less forsite than an industrialist, but you still need to invest in ratting setups, invest in the intelligence to figure out where to make money, get friends , whatever you need to do.
I took a hi-sec industrialist path for primary isk generation. But I still do wormhole stuff with a corp for both pve and pvp content - it's sort of a happy balance between spending and investing that I'm comfortable with. The industry I do doesn't take a ton of work once I do the market research and set up a supply chain , but the wormhole stuff is actually a net loss for me once you factor in the sunk cost of being an officer in the corp and having to demonstrate commitment to the hole in terms of homeland defense. But I enjoy the content and I don't mind paying for it, and I'm still spending far less than I earn.
I want to be elite in the next couple years, and I'm slowly putting together a plan to get there. Currently pull in about 8 billion a month passively, and then maybe another 3 or 4 doing wh stuff, but what I'm doing right now doesn't scale.
All my wealth is in ships and assets, I stepped away for a number of years and because of inflation and re-balances (Battleships as an example) my net worth increased. If I had it all liquid I would have stayed at the same place when I left. I love caps, and you're right that they might not get used often but I love the function of jump drives and it looks cool. I also live in 0.0 and use it as a safe way to move ships.
Skilling into marauder is a must-have. As hisec missioneer, as well, as for nullseccer. But dont go into caps. 99% of all fleets are subcaps.
I'm space poverty, but the only issue I had with the video was how you submitted the project discovery without separating out things how it describes. It shows that real scientists eventually get the data to parse, however I feel not giving it any thought is a disservice to science as a whole. Anywho, other than that, it was interesting to see how income is spread out in the Eve Online game. Have a wonderful day.
That bothered me as well. I do project discovery when I'm travelling some jumps and I try to identify and mark the separations as correctly as possible. So I'm already at 98% with lvl 26, but I needed four weeks or so for that. With his method, this guy here will get a Marshall BPC or three in that time.
Rich can be just one goal. As a player that is drawn to many aspects in turn and hasn't even tried all of the available ones in game (null / FW / Incursions / Trig hunting etc etc) I find myself with quite a pile of assets I sometimes use but there are also a lot of them collecting dust all over New Eden. I find the value of this game is not in my net worth but in the versatility of what I can choose to do in a certain period of time. I am still grateful for my first real alliance leader showing me that you do not need the blingiest ship to do most of the things you want to do. And many people look down on project discovery, but my first real leap in liquid isk came from that Marshal. Keep it up, your series are fun and informative at the same time.
I love project discovery. Have 30 jumps to do? Project discovery. Mining and no one is in local. Project discovery. You get the point. Its a very good gap filler
Fun fact, who cares it’s just a game, relax and enjoy, don’t make yourself going crazy
Finally. A video where someone explains the "tax brackets" of eve.
All I can say is this, there are so many hundreds of billions I spent on shit that gave me nothing back but a headache or heartbreak.
If you wanna have true fun in eve, find something that finances your fun.
I really enjoy multibox ratting, but the true fun is selling the loot and salvage I get on the markets across eve myself. Instead of easy burn to whatever buy orders. Now just saving all isk for FW combat for rhe next year or so.
btw. you don't need dread or even marauder to kill cap rats, you just need few guys in ab blaster vexors and one dude in capsule that will get you a warp in on 0 on the dread rat.
anyways nice vid.
and remember guys and girls, fly fun, don't worry about isk too much
what about the people that have ISK as their goals? I dont like to undock
@@jamesbrown5262 then make isk and have fun and don't worry about comments on YT
Man, this is literally the story of my financial EVE life, you nailed it. These concepts apply to real life too!
Personally the only caps I intend to sit in anytime soon are a jump freighter since moving large cargo holds between my home in low sec and a trade hub is integral to how I make my isk, and maybe a rorqual purely to bridge my corps mining fleet quickly to mining sites, not to actually take out into the field.
If I hit triple digits I will definitely train into combat caps for null/wormhole space but otherwise I don’t see the point!
Jeah jumper freighters are nice. I build my own Rhea and it makes many things easier. (I also run out corp buyback for the alliance so i use it often)
I was...kinda still am....trying to get back into Eve. Started playing in 2013. Lost a Carrier when I came back after a year break just trying to move it because they changed the way the mods etc worked. The loss made me leave for anyother year I was so annyoned because I was in that 10-20 billion area and it was a big blow to me. It was also during the null blackout which was the only place you could use those ships.....so what was the point. Its as if CCP wanted you to lose it. THey need to get ride of Pirating in High Sec. If you gank in HS the loot should be lost, not looted. THat way only war targets are worth it not just anyone shipping into hubs. Great video and on point. Still debating on uninstalling this game for good or not. Goon Swarm and these giant mega corps are way to funded and powerful for others to fight them and or be left alone long enough to get rich imo.
Ganking is immergant gameplay in a FULL PVP mmo
I am rn at ~300b assets but almost nothing liquid. I did just buy a Fortizar :x
I still don't do anything special like industry for it.
Although I spent roughly 500-700b on skill injectors last year and lost 2 Titans.
On that note: I believe being in the right corporation is how you get space rich.
If your corp gives you the possibility to make 500mil/h on a single account consistently, like mine does, you don't have to worry about ISK.
It stops being an issue.
Another issue is: Space rich =/= space rich.
A Highsec miner will be happy with 5 billion. If you however want to fly Supers, Titans etc. even 500b is not that much.
It is a matter of perspective and where you live.
How do you make 500m/h? lol
There are a few ways, but they often have a high buy in cost. Any kind of fleet pve tends to pay out well, such as c6 wormhole combat sites or incursion shit, which is probably what he does since he relies on a Corp to make his isk.
a lot of pilots are always chasing higher earnings and changing jobs when they stall out instead of learning the next set of skills needed to up your chosen career. take your average miner they will mine all day until they reach that 12-15 mil per hour mark then change to mission running instead of learning about PI and industry making a decent extra income just picking up PI once every day.
this game is deep and the deeper into a job you go the more money you will make because the jobs require you to learn new player tasks to move forward. most players 95% of them according to that graph never go beyond the primary stage of a profession.
mine rocks
join low/null sec/WH corp and mine better rocks (50% quit mining here)
learn gas huffing (75% won't pass this stage)
learn PI ( a highly skilled player with access to good rocks, clouds, and planets will be very wealthy from this point)
learn manufacturing (consumables like paste, ammo, and cap boosters)
learn the contract system and set up hauling contracts to move your stuff minimizing risk. (marketing: knowing where the wars and events are so you know the best locations to sell)
learn more things and do more stuff making more and more isk every step of the way
all while minimizing expences and losses.
I just got back after a break for about 7 years and found out i left around 18b in isk and assets and have about 40mill sp. I still haven't omegaed my account cause i'm waiting for prices to go down and i actually found joy in doing the Zero to Omega challange and building my own lowend ships as i'm in no rush as i'm having a blast playing the game.
Glad I saw this video now. With 19mil sp and 12b net, half liquid. I’ve been fairly frugal so far. Most of my assets are in useable ships that I can jump into at anytime to run lvl3/4 missions or combat sites.
You made 12b running combat sites?
@@MrStoffzor They can pay out pretty well.
hey man realy interesting video.
For the longest time i used to be < 1 bil, but when I went to live i J-space my networth skyrocketed.
I figured out what i liked to do in eve and focused on that.
Just checked and the last month i made around 7 bil.
Thank you! Patience is the most under-rated skill in Eve. Love your content!!
I joined EVE in 2005 and left, after a few other breaks, finally in 2016. Last month I reactivated my accounts out of curiosity what I have there and now I am hooked again. My main char has over 185 mil SP, 6+ bil in ISK and more than 350 bil in assets, across all chars and both accounts my assets sum up close to 400 bil. The ingame calculater does not count in the better BPOs or BPCs in its net worth calculator, though, and that is where most of my assets lie. So I'm space-elite with well over 500 bil ISK in assets. I made most of that with capital ship production, the research of capital BPOs (very time consuming - years) and consequent creation and sales of capital ship and module BPCs, plus the training and selling of new pilots.
Also, I am space-rich, because I never bought really expensive stuff. I never had a faction or a T3 ship, or - with the exception of a few Freighters - a capital ship. Additionally, I managed to stay alive and keep my ships. I did not participate in PvP and only lost a ship to another player once in my early years. In PvE I may have lost five or six ships over all the years. So what worth I accumulated, I didn't loose again.
To me, it does not make any sense to fly billions of worth around and into the fangs of gankers. I can have exactly the same fun flying ships worth considerably less than 500 mil. The main thing I never subscribed to was being quick. I do not need the best of the best to save a few minutes finishing a lvl 4 mission, I'm content with good enough, which is simply significantly less costly.
This is true in PvP as well, as far as I understand that. In PvP, you undock with the knowledge in mind, that you very likely will be back in a capsule or as a clone. You will inevitably loose what you fly, it's just a question of when. Thus "good enough" is the right way here, too. You won't be a really good PvPer with a T1 ship and fit, but you also don't need the most costly faction stuff either to be very successful.
With that in mind you can accumulate lots of ISK and assets over the years without spending to much for replacing ships and modules. Becoming rich in EVE is just the combination of time and finding ways to make lots of ISK and keeping the lid on the risk and investment levels of your endeavors.
Good video but I wanted to add one caveat. As a solo player, if you want to thrive in lowsec or NPC null, a carrier is an absolutely phenomenal investment. You can use them to move ships and equipment around and you don't need to invest a huge amount of SP to do it. I totally agree with your sentiment about capitals being an isk trap--it's a waste for most players to skill into capitals, especially a combat ready carrier. However, having a hauling carrier with base skills and decent JDC for the sake of the jump drive, fleet hangar, and ship maintenance bay is a very wise investment.
Great content btw. Have a sub!
Rorqual will perform better in this role, better jumping range same as JF. with crgo fit low slots + rigs and + flet hangar, gives you about 210,000 m3. and ship maintenance bay. It's like budget JF.
@@zbyszekmisiek6239 Or the Bowhead.
@@alanwatts8239 bowhead doesn't have a jump drive
I would disagree on capitals a bit.
carriers are a great investment if you have safe space to rat, and moving, carriers are great for helping to move your assets. Dreads, yah thats more for fleet stuff, but carriers are a good investment for at the least moving your stuff.
Interesting perspective, somewhat surprised at the figures! But it now makes sense as to why things happen to new players and why they don’t stick with EVE. I am new to EVE 4 of us started 4 months ago I’m the only one left! I lost a mining barge recently worth 55M that’s 25% of my net worth plus buying a replacement another 25% . I want to get on in the game but when players just kill you because they can and the money means nothing to them but it drives new players away . For me it’s a lot of time invested back in a venture, all I ask of others players is just give new players a chance or your end up player EVE with the same people. I do think the new changes might help a little in High Sec . Izium.
Izium. I am in a similar situation at the next level. Takes so long to get there but back to square one in moments. Send me you ign and I will send you a barge. O7
@@MrMejIT That’s very generous of you, Izium is my ign! Any advise moving on, I do mining in high sec it’s time consuming but regular Isk, I just don’t have the SP or experience to do combat things yet, which seems to pay well on the TH-cam videos. But I’ll get there one day! Thx again.
When I was new, I got killed a lot. Most of the people who killed me would send me more isk than my setup was worth. I wish more people would do this when they kill obviously new players
@@ChuyIsScared I used to do this all the time in low sec. I'd find new players, kill them, then convo and ask if they knew how I found them. I'd then describe the d-scan, how I used it and how they can use it. If they were OK, I'd double their ship price, and tell them to convo me if they needed and advice. I used to do Lvl 5s in low, so helping someone with like 20-50m is nothing compared to helping ppl stay in the game.
Don't fly what you can ot afford to lose.
My net worth is currently 25 billion ISK, most of it is in assets. I agree with most of what you said, but I do differ a bit on capitals. I agree they are ISK sinks, but I've had a longing to flying carriers for a long time. It doesn't really matter that you get more bang for your buck with a marauder. The playstyle is completely different and you only live once. I'll end up regretting it if they turn of the servers. I mean, don't undock them if you can't afford to replace it, and keep your marauder (or whatever ratting ship you own so you can always go back to ratting more frugaly). Just bought my first Thanatos, because I had the ISK, but I haven't even trained into it fully yet. So right now I'm ratting in a Vargur while waiting for the training of the various fighter skills to complete (at which point I'll have the ISK to replace the Thanny should I lose it).
I guess this classification is alright, though I would adjust some of the ranges and also disagree somewhat about the hardship of living at lower levels. Also, it seems the classification system only describes according to liquid isk held, which alone doesn't really take into account that different people have different levels of need, and also different playstyles and preferred activities.
For example, I'm an industrialist and trader, and my collective total net worth is probably around 250B and I basically won't have more than 25b liquid isk (usually 10b and less) because *for my playstyle* isk that sits is wasted potential, so I don't like doing it.
And for other people in general, those who enjoy the nullsec game simply DO regularly need ships and replacements so their 'cost of living' is much higher than casual solo players, their income can vary widely and may either be successful or not. People who enjoy grinding missions in hisec lose ships rarely, so their cost of living is very low - if they have 2b liquid isk then that is plenty because they only spend a few mil once in a while for ammo and drones.
Still, a good discussion to have and talk about, thankye for the video =)
Just entering middle class, but have similar views. Isk sitting in your wallet is lazy isk that be better invested in trade and industery.
Well, well, well now I know I'm an impoverished alpha miner. 🤣 I refuse to fight player's or NPCs I even named some of my alts "run away' in Latin or Cherokee. 👍✌🖖🥃
Last I checked, alphas can use gas mining equipment. Tons of videos here on how, low sec or wormhole gas is so valuable. That's probably the biggest upgrade for an alpha. Even if you warp away when rats land you've made millions of isk. You could literally die on half your excursions and turn a serious profit. But I've spent probably hundreds of hours venture mining and never lost one venture gas mining to PVP. Most of the time, you can warp away when they land if you are watching. Try not to wait quite that late though. You have built in warp stabilizers, so many don't fit enough points to hold you. It is way more interesting than hi-sec mining and gives you something to do. I just stay still. If you are moving away from your warp to point, you can double your warp time as your ship slows down, turns, then reaccelerates.
Skill book is costly, but one venture full of gas pays it off, and skills never go away.
Low-sec has so many empty systems or systems with one person who doesn't care to kill miners. If you really want to live, plot your route in dotlan maps and see if there's a gate camp. Use zkill if in system with one or two in local, move on if they look scary and pop d-scan regularly. Combat probes mean move on, core mean get your finger ready to warp, possibly align at a slow speed. If the system has more than one or two people in local, move on. The gas here is crazy lucrative, but can be hard to find. Finding it will often be faster in a scanning ship that can do data and relic sites, then bookmark the gas and come back with venture.
Wormholes have no local. This means you too are kinda hidden, especially if you are in a big system far from sun. Of course, bubbler ships are allowed here. If you see Sabre, Flycatcher, Heretic or Eris, warp to your safe. There's ninja (where you get out when rats come) and jedi huffing (staying on grid with very specific rats) you can learn. I did goof off in a core deposit in a wormhole and lost one. Use the right fit if you jedi huff. Avoid ordinary perimeter. I don't think you can interact with it without a cloak.
Hauling services are probably a LOT safer for alphas and hi-sec to Jita routes aren't that expensive.
Or, train Gallente hauler and use a miasmos through hi-sec to haul all that gas to jita to sell. Use instawarp bookmarks (google it) to land on station/ get away from station for a little added safety. You'll soon have enough you don't want to fly all the way to Jita for a measly 25-40 million a load. Miasmos can carry 8+ venture fulls, but without the cloak trick, I wouldn't let it get that full.
Thanks, I do a lot of what's in your reply. I was just starting to look into huffing. I have safe points throughout a lot of areas. I found time wise I could fill an Incursa with 24mil of minerals then run to a good selling place. It let me use a Venture and bounce 1 system away back and forth mining 1.7mil a shot. But thanks for the detailed reply I will definitely be working what you've suggested.
@@earlhoundstooth124 exactly. I’ve been living in low sec for years solo lone wolf in a Tengu covert ops configured. Made billions ratting clone soldiers in my 0.1 systems. I gas mine and compress it and run it back to jita either through Thera or when a handy hi sec WH opens. I move billions in a Crane once compressed. And it’s kinda fun messing with people in low sec with no bubbles at gates. Covert Ops cloak is very overpowered in low sec.
Wait, am I the only one who actually tries to do Project Discovery properly?? I don't think you're supposed to just circle the whole thing like that.
Whatever works, unless it's one of the fake ones that test you. Those are rsndom
As someone who is on the divide between Space upper middle and space ritch, I have to say that Capitals are not a waste for isk generation if you are under a capital umbrella. The Crab beacons and Rorqual boosts can allow for a high ammount of reliable income. There are cheaper way's to make more with less skill, but I find that they have other caviats with them.
Capitals aren't used for PVP that much these day's so if you get one, it will most likely be for ratting and as a suitcase.
If you are in a smaller group of people, then Capitals especially super caps are likely not the way to go as they are difficult to move, and deploy.
jesus dude I hope English isn't your native language.
In my opinion it goes like this -
Less than 1 Billion ISK: Serf
1 Billion - 25 Billion ISK: Prole
25 Billion - 200 Billion ISK: Middle Class
200 Billion - 1 Trillion ISK: Rich
1 Trillion - 5 Trillion ISK: Super Rich
5 Trillion ISK and over: Oligarch
After watching this
Im I'm poor! And after making all the mistakes you mentioned. Not just poor but now in poverty after some skill injectors. Look I just want my character to do everything im interested in. Well I'm not worrying about isk per hour any more but I will set a goal for 20 billion
Thank you! Now I have a yardstick to measure my economic progress. Since I have five characters and play each as if he were alone, I am Middle Class, in Poverty, Poor, in Poverty, and in Poverty, in order of age. Since my oldest is going to be two this coming week (!) I haven't done too badly with my kids, I hope.
It's great to have a way to measure wealth. The things I most enjoy currently are mining, personal hauling, and I started low-sec mining in December. My second boy did and completed the Grand Prix last year, and want to try for it again this year with more of the kids.
@Leet Noob We're not wrong! For, who is to say we're not the children of someone playing THIS game? I am happy to know I am not alone, and wish you and your family the best!
It does kinda feel like avoiding playing the actual game (social and pvp) is the best way to become rich. One account is in the upper middle class bracket and that's mostly from solo explo and gas huffing. I'm so paranoid that I very rarely lose ships so I have very little in the way of expenses nowadays. If I had the time and motivation I could likely push through into the rich bracket within the next year but I know I would be incredibly burnt out afterwards.
The other account started out doing FW and is now in a lowsec corp, usually hovering around 2-3bil net worth. Some of the most fun I've had with this game is playing on that account.
I guess my point is that with enough patience and cautiousness anyone can eventually grind their way into significant wealth until they eventually snowball but it takes a certain kind of person to enjoy the process of doing so.
Only thing I'd disagree on is where he says to just use t1 ships for whatever task you are doing. Training into t3ds and t3cs resulted in a massive increase in the amount of stuff I could do and the amount of isk I could generate doing them. Both t3 ship platforms are designed to be very versatile in what tasks they can perform which allows you to save isk by simply refitting for a new task rather than reshipping. They are also much more capable than t1 platforms in nearly all tasks which means your isk/hr will increase even when doing the same stuff. For example, the confessor (amarrians t3d) makes for an excellent ship to do c3 ratting in wolf rayet systems, and the isk is pretty good (40-70mil per site). All the while they will be cheaper than battle cruisers and battleships (which is what you would normally need to run c3 sites) and more slippery than these larger vessels which means you are less likely to get caught if your ratting op gets discovered.
That's so true, I absolutely love every T3 ship in the game because of that. They can replace pretty much any ship class while also being quite cost effective. I did the whole Confessor in Wolf-Rayet for a long time and it is absolutely bonkers, people were doing them with Maruders at the time while I was in a `~1400dps destroyer :)
Both my accounts are in the Space Upper-Middle Class, and I still feel poor and only fly cheap shit. Bling Fit Ships? Hellz no! I'm always trying to find the cheapest ship to get the job done. Its not what you make, its what you keep that builds wealth.
Damn, I'm space poor and fly ships with 500+ million isk buy cost. Perhaps why I can't move up the wealth ladder.
Im space poor but it's because Im doing what you said not to do LOL, just brought and built a Zirnitr then realized I needed all skills etc to fly it. BUT I just collect and have many hanger queens and/or rare ships, suppose it's just my style.
Have a bunch of alpha accounts training at all times. Once you can omega them and strip belts, once you tire of that sp extract them
Curious to know how this applies in Eve Echoes?
I have this same concept about this in that game as you share here. I gather quite a bit of haters for choosing to stay within my wheelhouse, but I don't see the sense in having tons of ships or skills in classes I never fly.
I prefer smaller ships, I like being a tackle/CovOps pilots, and I enjoy Exploring and Industry over ratting. If this is my playstyle, and I'm active in it, what good would it do me to skill into Battleships or Capitals?
I know Eve Echoes is a different game, so was just curious what your perspective was regards that version?
Fly aggressive o7
Nah this has nothing too do with echoes, eve has been out much longer. The economy in eve online is much larger.
The economy of Echoes is much different though. Eve Online may have been out longer but Echoes insurance allows players to bank much more isk.
We had a player lose a 300b Machariel recently in Echoes. Because the age of the market in EO it’d be under 20b for that same ship.
Hahaha the capital ISK trap, learnt that one 8 years ago, for ages I looked towards the caps cause they're soo big but im on my own in my own corp with my 5 little corp members but ive been playing for 18 years at this point, over 300m SP so everything I use is maxed out and have just kinda accrued my wealth over the last 15 years, technically im space rich but I dont feel it 😀 that said I fly anything that tickles my fancy but I prefer blingy small to medium hulls I feel thats where the fun is at.
I consider my self space poor I have 12bln liquid isk and another 140 bln in ship hulls (not including my fly about ships) + 20bln in DED modules. But I’m always looting wreckes and salvaging wrecks I repair my ships in dockable player stations for free repairs plus other money saving stuff aswell. I do have carrier but I use it more like a suitcase when replenishing non home stations and for ratting. All the ships I own apart from the carrier and t2 T3 I build myself with the ore I mine.
I just started this game a few weeks ago and my net worth is around 60m its crazy to see how high those numbers are compare to the little amounts I am currently making doing high sec mining.
Like you were saying the injectors will get you, but i dont regret it. I injected quiet abit recently to get to 30 mil skill points. Im personally glad that ive been able to get into about 2-3 different ships proficiently and be able to start thinking about playing with any sub cap that I feel like (caldari/gallente/soe/guristas). I am at 16b after losing a tengu and buying 2-3 injectors lol. Ive bounced off eve for one reason or another so atm im focusing on diversifying my gameplay as a solo player. Im in a chill corp in null so exploration and ratting have been pretty easy.
I'm now upper middle class according to your grouping. And I kinda experienced the same. From a flying a super in the middle class, and destroying wormhole sites solo. Basically you go down to cheaper more efficient ships, combined with passives. To the point where you make the same in a cormorant, in highsec. While making a shitton station trading and with other passives. I think my total net worth is close to space rich now. So all in all a good video.
Former EVE subscriber, current Alpha/hiatus player. I quit around when 1 month plex was around 1 bil~ ish, so I don't know how that inflation would affect my values. I don't even remember half of the shit I had.
Solo Industrial/Miner
Liquid Isk: ~1.5 bil
Main Asset: Orca
Other Assets: ~200 frigates, 3 mil+ ammo, 30+ maxed out T1 blueprints, ~10 useful T2 ship blueprints
PLEX: ... don't remember but maybe 100 mil worth when I left.
So I'd be space poor by today's standard?
... okay, I just went around to check some prices.
Ayo wtf happened to Rifter prices? It was far less than half mil last time I sold them in bulk. Since when was Incrusus over 250k+? I sold them at under 200k most of the time!
Ayo CCP, fix the inflation!
I'm space poor, returning player who only did trials back in 08 but have been gaining a fair bit, the most i make is when exploring, but lately I feel theres been a push of new players trying to use them as well, as well as pirates guarding the holes. Seems its either that or rat nest hunting, new players are all over both. Faction warfare seems less accessible than it was back then. I love being in nullspace, that or real low pop spaces 70+jumps out from jita, as it feels like frontier space for establishing some roots one day
Yeah im 300b but most are in caps, ships i cannot or don't use or stuff stuck in access, or high tax/danger in moving.
Net worth has gone down as I sold lots and used to to plex in stop/start play with not much to show for it.
Been in/out the game last 6 yrs really, after kinda 10 straight and each year I dabble a little but all the changes since Citidel i did'nt like for indy compare to you're own pos stuff which was much safer, cheaper etc.
And many changes kinda messed eve up for me after 2015. I still have pos industry models that cannot use, sell & we never got reimbursed for them. Like super cap assembly arrays, old J/Bridges etc
Still trying to get back into it again but find it hard to get back to do the things I used to do, make or earn.
One day.
Interesting discussion & the sinks do feel too many, when you considers cap stuff, cap compentent changes, all the added indgrediants making many bpo's difficult to use, and the long and epxense of max research on valuable BPO's
But I find as an ex vet I harder to get back to than new people playing these days.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks again Jakel. I am at the middle class level. Had a nice little setup in null but all structures destroyed (group with supers and carriers. No point in any defence and diplo no good) which now leaves me in a position of what to do next? Involved in more trading but to get back to my previous indy setup would require so much time and effort (hauling equipment for hours upon hours does not appeal anymore) that not sure it is worth it or that I am enjoying the game in that regard. Feel like EVE at this level is like building a house of cards; ages to build destroyed in mili seconds. Might consider going the pvp fw route if ccp ever get around to reviewing fw. Excellent vid and good perspective on the game. o7
"Capitals aren't going to help your isk generation from day to day." What? If you're in a null bloc u use your capital almost every single day for isk generations. It just depends on what youre doing in the game.
Great video been been back in Eve for about 2 years now not full time though but I do enjoy it when I have time. Look forward to seeing more 07 .
I'm around 153B in just isk, no assets, i'm just a market person and i've gotten to a point where I can make 3b - 4b even 6b in a day if I want to but im really lazy and i just go for 1b because i can do that semi afk
2 cents of someone who hasn't broken 100b assets yet:
-the most important metric in eve is fun per hour. What that is is up to you.
-doing something you enjoy AND makes you money is probably the easiest to sustain.
-growth: Spending isk to make isk is an investment. Opportunity cost is a thing. Rolling up a 3rd char and giving it an injector to make it do xyz you already do better may be worth it.
- make peace with pvp ships being writeoffs. PvP ships are supposed to be used and lost, expecting them to make you money is a tough ask.
-being frugal about isk making helps.
-being consistent with doing some thing and being good at it is a good way to extract a high return on investment on a krab ship.
Imagine spending isk on spaceships in a game about spaceships :) i am in the space-rich category so i guess do well, if i add all the blueprints i could be close or perhaps go past the space-elite level.
Any suggestions for the screen? I feel so cluttered
Middle class and climbing here... Real problem are sp only 26m and that is my biggest limitation in eve. Omega training implants and celebral accellerators are weru efficent wile skill injector will nuke your wallet but they actually are the only way to get into new things some times
Any time I reach a billion ISK, I buy stuff. I live in Solitude and like to be self-sufficient so I have a mountain of blueprints and industry resources to make my own stuff and sell the extras on the market. I have about 80 billion in assets but like 15 million ISK in the bank.
Really interesting talk … but is it based on accurate data?
When Eve calculates my character net wealth there is a massive amount (billions) in assets I don’t recognise. On closer checking, this is an assessment of my SKIN value … which is (a) not something I can sell back, and (b) swung by random chance if you get a really valuable SKIN from daily log in rewards (I got a Kronos Police SKIN once, which is worth about 2bill … that’s a permanent boost to my asset worth that completely overestimates worth, cos I can’t use it to buy a Kronos, only to make one look cool)
So you have to loook at liquid assets. But if you’re rich you only keep a small proportion as ISK - you will buy stuff, and if necessary put spare ISK into PLEX as a hedge against future inflation. Some of the stuff you buy you can readily sell back if necessary, some of it can be sold but will take loads of time to realise the value …just like real life.
as long youre having fun and have the means to do the things :) . Got to say my rule is will be ever be is to never trust people in EVE. Other problem is did join a null sec corp recently and now i have to socialize with people and that is not my strong point :( playing now for 12 years and always did live in high. Trouble is the trust in people is not there IRL so in eve its the same. Biggest problem i always have is making isk . Reading so much on the corp forums and checking all the info but yeah sometimes its a bit of overwhelming and to much info
True. I find myself pulled in different directions and then never finishing anything, especially regarding manufacturing. Everything takes so long!
I just use injectors to train level 1-3 skills so after a week or two can do all of the basic stuff with every ship available and train level 4-5 stuff while I'm asleep or at work. Also I use a fresh no implant clone during gameplay and my augmented clone when not playing for training skills.
I'm space poor, but I'd like to be space rich.
My goal is to PLEX my account, and not be afraid to lose a ship. Ideally, I'd have a backup already in the hanger.
14:50 how tf are you lvl 2k on project discov??? isnt 650 the cap? other than that great video, i was sure i wasnt gunna fit the profile you mentioned for my catagory (super-rich) but then you started saying how those players think and i was like o...... that is me......
Luckily I figured out the "bigger ship trap" on cruisers and decided to stick to mining first. Still sinking skill points there and a bit into PI, but now with an Orca and an alt, miney is coming in decently by HS standards.
Now looking to break into the middle class and skilling up BS Q1 next year. Basically the goal is to be able to sustain a decently high income, maybe for ratting, maybe to do more WH mining or low sec. We will see, but middle class will be reached before the year is out, I hope.
Although my end goal is net worth, i dont see the point if you're still flying a corvette! After binge watching your mining videos, you cant expect us to not scale into an orca! 😂
I"m in the lower half of what's listed as "upper middle class." The mix is roughly 50-50 ISK and assets. At the moment I have somewhat of a groove and don't see myself getting into capital ships at all. Never say never though, I guess.
Still in poverty, but have already determine that unless it can make me money.. I do not care what the Corp says. If I can not afford it and/or do not have an immediately need of I do not buy. But then in every game that I have ever played online. The first thing that I do after I decide I will be playing in the long term. Is determine how best to make in game money. In one game I hit about the the top level. While other made their money faster. They had their strategies. Mine is slow, but steady has always worked for me. My bank is solid in that game and do not spend above a certain amount on anything. My wife on the other hand spend in game currency like its water and then cries to me being poor. In game currency would like ISK. Slow and steady with a few calculated risks along the way I think will work for me here. Though arguably just undocking and leaving the station is a calculated risk all on its own.
I would disagree severely with the capital ship take.
1) Join a null block
2)Don't touch regular carriers, go for faction dreads.
3)Run 3 CRAB beacons per day, totaling ~600-800 mil isk/1.5-2h
4)?
5)Profit
There is a place for capitals, but mainly in null when You have a capital umbrella and an alt that can light a cyno. Dreads are often used in large-scale fleet PVP. A fit Rev Navy costs about 9 bil plus 1.5 bil in implants. If You can manage to do 3 beacons per day, with the lowest profit point being 600 mil (unrealistic that it will be that low) You pay Your investment back in 19 days...that ain't bad at all.
Thing is, as a newbro, You should probabl not be aiming to sit in a dread before You have a better understanding of the game as a whole.
It’s so accurate for me in each stage. Wished this video came out 2 yrs ago when I started. I’ve wasted billions by now. Not made it to rich yet..
I always find the ISK goal strange. I'm in it for the things I find fun and generally ignore the economy
I bought my Titan for 120 bill, they are enow going for 195 bill, what the point of having Isk and not having BIG ships
Great content, thank you!
I'm in space poverty....
Well I did start 2 days ago.
I don't care how good you are. You are always poor in Eve unless you hit a trillion +.
Why?
217B - almost entirely from HS/LS exploration & DEDs. Also helpful was occasionally taking advantage of Skill Pack sales on CCP website while stockpiling the PLEX that came with them. Can't forget the lucky strike when I was part of an Officer kill in null sec that netted me a 10B share of the loot!
It's especially nice to be in a position where I can occasionally donate 50-100M ISK to a new player to help them along as they get started in the game :)
Good that you help others in game. Respect.
I think the average wealth in this game is lower than you expect. And someone who is smart with 1 billion will make it to 500 much faster than someone that is dumb with 100 bil.
This man's not wrong but from my perspective he is also not totally right either. You might be able to run nullsec sites in a t1 cruiser, but an ishtar is going to be way better and faster. The only real advice anyone should be giving is that whatever you do for isk, do it as efficiently as you can. The last and biggest alliance I was in was skill urself so I can't really comment on how the modern mega blocs operate, but usually you aren't training doctrine ships for making isk and with a few exceptions you shouldn't really think about them like that. You make your isk to have fun pvping. Doctrine ships are a part of that side of the game. It's ultimately a game, your focus should be on having fun, and grinding isk for the sake of making into someone's made up tax bracket only sounds like a way to turn the game into a chore.
As for some personal advice on that, well, I'm sitting at 3.5 ish tril in assets last time I looked at jEve. I made the majority of my isk daytripping dreads, and then using that isk to trade and do patch speculation. It's very rare that I will keep more than 100-150b liquid at any time, tho I might stockpile plex. I can't imagine a reason you would ever need or want 500bil in liquid except to say that you have it. The individuals that make up the top 5% are mainly large alliance execs, service providers such as jf services, and other chars of a similar nature that need to have an enormous amount of liquid isk to keep their organizations running. The other chars you might find in there are the really hardcore market manipulators. The weirdos who will buy out the entire jita market just to turn a 15bil profit on something. But I think all of the people in these space-rich/space-elite chars think and work similar to how I do, in that liquid isk is doing nothing. You really only keep enough to take advantage of whatever you come across and/or fund your playstyle, then a pile of easily liquidated assets as short investments and a just in case fund more than anything, and the rest of your wealth should be working. Unless you genuinely enjoy grinding for isk, it's important to know how to reinvest it in order to generate more of it.
Thx buddy i love ur videos i have learned so much from you about different aspects of eve. This video is also great eye opener mine next lesson is: start plugging isk sinkholes :) o7 fly safe.
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Bro I'm classed as upper middle (30bl wallet, about double that in assets), I've maxed everything sub cap out - next step is caps but I don't currently have the PC for wormholes or null!
I can't believe I'm poor even in game
When i started playing eve there was that goal early on to get enough isk from the market to plex the account, it took me a while to get to this point. Meanwhile there where lots of activities to try when it comes to isk making. Overtime there was that drive just to find more and more ways to earn isk and besides from buying all the equipment threre was always some to invest in the market. Doing all those activities gave me a better undcerstanding for the markets of the stuff needed to do those activities or the stuff tha those activities are generating, what made it way esier to find items to invest in. So What ever you do, always look into the market, even if you just ratting, you get more isk out of it if you just get your equipment cheaper, or maybe you even get the stuff where its needed for selfuse and to sell the rest, imagine you making isk with the ammo you are using instead of spending. So yeah overtime everything can generate isk, even pvp if you focus on that. Time is a very impotant factor so patience is required here.
you're telling me that in a game where you can literally have infinite resources, there is still a huge wealth gap between those who take the time to learn the system and those that don't? there are ofcouse estrenuating syrcumstances, such as new accounts, or a very limited time to play, or you are a very high risk player and have a lot of cashflow but not a lot of standing assets / isk.
I had almost 800Bln, started RMT most of it when I decided to stop playing Eve back in 2018-2019
Space trader
I have 3 accounts, a main account trained mainly into combat and two accounts that specialise in mining and industry purely to fund what my main is doing, works well for me!
I sit on about 250b networth with a shit ton of ships i dont use or really need.
I got a problem with good deals..
To me, the bigger thing that keeps people poor is their lack of will to grind.
72 bil. had stopped playing the game for 10 years. Just got back into the game a few months ago.
I've found that to keep having fun it's best to stay alpha...forever...it makes you try harder
> dreads and carriers are isk traps, and so are supers maybe? (You implied that with the titans but never stated it)
Whilst I can definitely agree with carriers, given the existence of CRABs I have to question the logic on dreads here. CRABs are some of the best-paying PVE combat activity out there Afterall. Am I missing something?
You are missing the part where your dread gets hotdropped
@@Mika-ph6ku That's what a an effective cap umbrella is for, though? To save your cap when you get hotdropped?
@@platiuscyndar9017 _solo players_
@@Mika-ph6ku well if youre a solo player, i guess, but like, this is an MMO, wtf are you doing going solo
Space poor here. I remember way back in Red Moon Rising when 100 million seemed like a pipe dream.. now with the abyss... No way is 5 billion a lot. Sure I can comfortably afford to do most things in eve but if a knuckle head like me can make that kinda money from watching a few TH-cam tutorials... what's the rest of the verse doing? I'm actually surprised all the Alpha clone abyss TH-cam tutorials haven't caused massive inflation in response to everyone becoming billionaires in a matter of weeks.
Men it seem hard to reach upper class if plexing with isk only.. I guess I just stuck there until I can make isk more than need for 1 month..
Can you make an equivalent video but on SP instead of ISK. Either way we appreciate you and keep the content coming!
500ish milion. You are very correct. I quit buying as much and just mine and lvl 4 security to relax after crazy BS @ work.
Been a hisec miner, never really got a bil.
I was extremely lucky to be gifted an Orca from a corp buddy though, he built some for our corp and gave mine free. sadly the corp is no more.
I use it in one way or another near daily. whether to afk hisec mine, haul ore I can't compress (still learning the skill) to my trader, and just work on stuff.
currently planning to help out LS/NS with ventures as a plan to make profit, still trying to figure out what my plan is with the game.
I'd sell the Orca and invest on a smaller barge. They make more ISK per hour on gas sites and such. Way cheaper to replace too.
@@alanwatts8239 I've been thinking of it. I've got 800 mil liquid and credit carded another 2 omega alt trained to use a hulk.
My plan is to invest in a porpoise and use it to boost my other barges. It won't gather much but should assist with the other barges mining to be more efficient.
@@cal8707 It's a good idea, honestly. I like the porpoise a lot, wish i could bring it to wormhole space more often but not being able to harvest gas kills me.
@@alanwatts8239 Yeah that so sucks a bit. Gas is one of the best things you can do and you're so limited on options lol
@@cal8707 Yeah, i just went with the venture until i could go with the expedition frigate. Didn't change much for me though, finding the gas sites is whats bad. Once or twice a month i do strike gold with the high sec serocin sites that don't spawn rats and i mine it all with a barge as soon as i can. Yields me aroun 210+ mill isk in an hour or so.
140b liquid, 700b in assets.
One thing that you could mention is that the "being poor is expensive" principle still applies. Not only can I run additional skillqueues to help me omega, I can also buy the big omega packages (12 or 24 months) and benefit from bulk purchases.
Keeping an account omega costs me 600mil/month (1.5b/month without skillfarming on the other 2 slots). A player in lower social classes has to grind 2.4b/month just to keep the omega running. Even without a big sale, omega for 24 months costs 6600 plex in the ingame shop.
How does it cost u 600mil/month ? I get the 1.5 bil part, not the 600mil one though
@@jainmayank2003I assume he is buying skill extractors, extracting from the other 2 chars and selling the skill injectors? Not sure though.
I thought you were going to talk about how to get more isk's... like, which bpc's are worth investing for future income. With 5kk of skill points, the only way I found to make an amount of isk is to do escalations, up to 4/10 I can do it easily. The problem with escalations is relying on luck to get good loot.
> me making 50 million and being amazingly happy
As a super space poverty eve player due to game time / work, I find it difficult of late to enjoy the game anymore unfortunately.
first question is->how much real money do you invest in eve, because you can buy plexes and have almost 100 bill in one minute. so did you earn that 121 bill in the game or did you just buy it?
I don't spend real money in eve, so it's earned, that's how I get my enjoyment, not paying a dime.
@@JAKEL33T I am in the space-rich group, own a little less than you, never spent a dime on eve, but have to say it took me almost 6 years of casual playing eve. Cool video o7
jEveAssets sais 590b + a bunch of bpo/bpc, but i wouldnt consider myself even rich. There are so many really really rich guys out there and my assets are spread out all over New Eden.
I'm a bottom range space middle. I'm at corporation the is in a big alliance with nullsec space, for mining I use skiff / procurer and for ratting I use Gila. I think those are within decent choices for my wealth range. Every 2 billions I earn I bought 1 billion of plex, then I use that plex wallet to buy or to lower the real money costs to buy omega. Something on nullsec I sell using alliance buyback system. Module with high value I use an alliance JF service to move things to Jita, because they are cheap to transport, that way I can sell 100% instead of 80% or 90% Jita price
Lol is it space rich to rip round in a Hematos? I love my little 2bill corvette, just bling for the sake of bling 😆