For years in this game most of my isk was made from exploration, whether it was in wh's or just doing DED sites (or anything else I felt like doing at the time) and it was generally good fun. But over time even that got boring so I also started to use all the stuff I had gathered over time and went into manufacturing and because I found use for them I then did a bit of PI as well. But over the years all the people I used to play with in the game slowly disappeared and not being into PVP finding a Corp that was going to last was getting more and more difficult as the game started to be more and more PVP orientated so 10 years plus in I finally reached the point to call it a day. I'm now 67 years old and still miss it occasionally but its been a few years since I played a lot of the changes they have made over the last few years I find hard to swallow so will probably never get back in the game. But that being said, for new players with the staying power I can still see this being a game that will keep them happy for years so all I can say further is fly safe and have fun.
What can I say? I love mining. I love being (virtually) in a procurer, chewing down a rock, and dropping it in station until there's no more rock. I love it when Aura says "The asteroid is depleted." Only ten months in this game, went from the venture to the procurer and am looking at the skiff. Soon! This is fun! (Okay, that was weird. Sorry about that.)
Nice to hear, awesome that they are buffing your playstyle in the next update and actually helping subcap mining ships, so its more worth it to mine in them
Nothing wrong with mining. I've done pvp for nearly eight years in this game, ran a corp, did highsec and lowsec and nullsec, but I still like getting my alts together and going and grinding down an asteroid belt in highsec every now and then. Not for the isk, cause I really don't need it, but just to enjoy it.
I just got my own procure after turning my nose up at mining for the longest time. Doing alot of gas mining and baiting in it. Nothing is quite as fun as making isk while your buddies are waiting for that proteus at 60km to finish deliberating on whether or not you are bait. When infact your buddies are taking a bio break
During one of my heavy PVP periods I lost a bunch of PVP Tengu's over 2 weeks. Each valued at about 2.5 billion ISK. It stung....but god that ship had an amazing engagement profile. Made the cash farming DED plexes in lowsec. Often I would scan whole regions hunting for plexes.
I'm not a super active player, but I do have 2 Omega accounts. I just wanted to say I've been really enjoying your videos. Thank you for making Eve content!
Screwing with the market in one way or the other is how I make most of my isk. The dire consequences this game has along with it's economy is why I enjoy it.
Same here. I played for years and years to get my first bil. A few month in Station Trading and I headed to the stars with multi-billions of ISK and assets.
I have played EVE Online for years and am away from it for long now, but your talk makes me want to come back. I do miss the urge to become rich and the thrill of moving stuff without being shot. Thanks.
That “sense of loss” is a really significant part of the appeal. Many a game was ruined by cheat codes and god mode. I am sure it is tapping into something deeply psychological.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. It's pretty rare in today's gaming that we encounter the true sense of loss. Hollow Knight did it particularly well recently (two lives and can lose all your progress & in-game currency), but Eve is on another scale. Interesting video, thanks and fly safe!
Should have played when you lost skill points if you hot podded and didn't update your clone insurance/ grade. It was the fucking WORST. Lost your shit plus a fuck load of sp.
Ya, My first Market venture was putting up a bunch of buy orders for undervalued meta modules. There are quite a few modules that you can make a lot of profit on when selling their reprocessed minerals. There are quite a few low-value modules with a high drop rate which people just want to get rid of.
Yep, many people don't seem to realize the materials value. This is also evident with the oversupply of ammo and missiles in the market with most of it below even omega manufacturing costs.
I used to run industry in Lonetrek, and I would do system wide buy orders for Trit. I could fly a freighter, so running around picking it all up wasn't a huge deal. I was building T2 fittings, and built everything involved in doing that, from the T1 basic components, to the T2 stuff, to inventing BPCs (my corp had high sec POS with labs for inventing). I even built my own jump freighter, once. Back when a Fenrir was just over a bil isk. It has been years since I have looked at building things again, so I have no idea what it takes to build stuff now.
I played solo for about a year and a half by challenging myself to become successful in the game by myself... I started from scratch and made quite a trade empire for myself with just battleships and skins... I used one omega account and four alpha accounts to cover all the trade hubs... I quit the game 2 years ago when CCP made the listing/relisting market fee changes and started undercutting everyone's skin investments... Thinking of going back soon and creating another challenge for myself... I play Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen...but there are many things about Eve Online that I prefer over the other games... I find it to strategically push your brain alot more than the other games... Maybe see you in there... o7
Pretty cool Strange, never thought of that myself. People in Eve are sometimes pretty sharp. I sometimes find the odd bio to be the highlight of the day. I admit to sitting in local mining or whatever and randomly reading the bios of the crazier named toons. I sometimes get a kick out of them. Its not the game as much as its the individual players that does it for me. Minmatar space never fails to deliver.
Never tried Minmitar, was Caldari and Gallente. Yeah, unless it is a trading toon that never leaves the station you have to have a bio. More than that I do rpg.
Yea sure, go mine first minerals like Veldspar (1.5 mill worth), reprocess them now they are 450k worth, now craft some items and volla you sell it for 165k! Nice industry skills!
Obviously you should just sell the minerals. Yeah currently nearly all the basic ammo and missiles are oversupplied and listed on the market below actual manufacturing costs, even for an Omega. Of course an Omega probably has much better stuff to manufacture. People should be looking at what the materials plus fees cost when manufacturing something, unless they are purely in it to gain rep in a faction manufacturing story arc.
This was really interesting to watch. Part of me hates the grind in EVE and after 4 years of playing, i still haven’t found my niche. There are things I enjoy doing but I have a tendency to over-grind them and eventually lose interest (E.g. L4 missions & Abyss). Risk adversity is a huge obstacle in EVE, one that probably warrants a video all in itself 😜. Overcoming this continues to be one of my greatest challenges in EVE and all too often I settle for minor risk for minor reward instead of gambling for a much larger payout.
You sound EXACTLY like me. I stay in high-sec, half afk l4 missions and do the combat sites. Almost no risk but the reward is meh… I want to try ratting in wormholes, or in these crazy good systems. NPC null missions etc. However, there’s so much risk here and what if i lose my only marauder? Then i’m fucked. The reward is higher yes but the risk is so much higher too. Battleships etc cost SO FUCKING MUCH these days that it almost doesn’t even seem worth it. It only becomes worth it ONCE you already have tens of billions of ISK laying around to keep finding these marauders if you do die, until you make a profit from them. Ask then HOW do you make enough money before that, to get to the point? Doing L4 missions for 2m payouts in a 1b+ ship?? There seems to be this huge gap between awful money/risk and huge money/risk. I’m so scared of losing my ship that i never try anything new
Buying an astero or t2 hacking/relic ship and getting lost for a day or 2 then trying to find your way back with a bunch of valuable loot is a way to get a lot of money fast and will set you up for a lot of pvp in cruisers and down for a while
Nice video. For me, I enjoy manufacturing. Lately, with CCP's Jihad on small high sec industrialists and small industrial corps I'm finding it increasing difficult to find a reason to continue to play the game. What's good for null sec and the Eve wealthy players is not necessarily good for the average small player. Basically, unless it's an NPC station, everywhere I manufacture, some asshat high sec PVP corp comes by and whacks the structure. This gives the large industrialists and null sec alliances an unfair cost advantage over us little guys. Not sure how much more CCP rectal-cranial inversion I can take.
That's somewhat true and yes currently in Hisec it is probably best to use an NPC station for mfg just be sure to pull up the in-game map and search systems for Mfg cost index and find one low (below 3) before setting up operations. Or better yet just forget all the bother and come back as a ganker and intercept all those valuable trade goods coming from null before they get to Jita. Zkill shows billion dollar haulers with no tank and on autopilot are still happening every week.
I've only been playing a few months but I have fallen in love with the astero and wormholes. I've lost 3 but its so much fun. It takes me a while to get back up to another one so I need to figure out how to fun my death game. Lol
Once you get into the scanning properly the price of an Astero is nothing to the amount you can make from wh relic and data sites, I've been known to spend a whole day in wh's and come out with 3 or 4 billion and more. When you are scanning make sure you stay mobile as much as possible which not only makes it difficult to find you it also gives you a better chance of spotting anyone else in there with you, also I used to fly into a relic site and then fly out again within 5 or 10 seconds to see if anyone was there waiting to gank me. You can usually escape in time if you are ready to warp out when they decloak.
Once I discovered comerce I loved it. I made my first 2 Billions with a simple item called Vitoc, the profit margin X unit X volume was HUGE, but around one billion and half, I got stuck at the speed I was getting rich, so I had to move to something more profitable. Then at around 6 Billion I got bored.
wait you can sell and buy items in stations that you aren't docked at? I am a starter, so idk if that is a feature I don't know about or if it is an omega feature.
I believe the skill "Day Trading" is what lets you alter buy/sell orders remotely. That's all it's good for, but it's handy if you want to keep an eye on your orders from wherever.
I've just recently reactivated my account after 6 years and I ran L4 missions, one thing I feel is the missions are pretty much the same, be nice for CCP to update/add to pve in general. As for generating isk passavily I salvage all missions plus mine so I manafactor Rigs, Frigates and Destroyers, ships usually put 50 ships onto the market per order, sell ammo at mission hubs and sell the good loot/salvage from missions, also buy implants and faction ammo from LP store, so I've always got multiple items selling on the market 24\7.
I was the same, running L4's with modest manufacturing and hauling. Currently all the basic ammo and missiles is oversupplied on the market and not worth the material costs.
@@dag_of_the_west5416 Same goes for most of the ships, I used to manufacture T2 frigates but now not worth the bother unless you can get into a nul corp and supply there.
I'm flush with isk, having just sold my project discovery marshal. My first instinct was to buy a bunch of skill injectors, but I may invest instead. It will take some contemplation...
@@strange_Net I would say about 3 1/2 months to get the blueprint, and then another 2 months to be okay with sinking the 2.3 billion it cost to make it. In the end, my profit was around 5 billion.
@@pmull6784 Thanks for the info. Not much, I got from 1 to 10 bils in around same time period just sitting on Jita market and reselling implants. It took like 15-30 mins in the morning and same in the evening to check sells and make/update orders. Used to do it while mining ore to get little additional income.
@@1kvolt1978 I'm definitely leaning toward market trading now. I'm sitting on almost 12 billion. It would be stupid just to blow it all. I'll buy the Gila I've been training into first, though. I just wanted to add for people whe may want to sell their Marshal, I priced it at 7.999 billion in Dodixie and it took 3 weeks to find a buyer. Be patient. I got lucky. It could have taken months.
@@pmull6784 you should watch Oz, he does a weekly economic report. Also if you want to gamble a bit the price of Plex seems to be going up, well I expect at least until the end of summer.
I know this is a bit old, but I felt this this past weekend. Had a Machariel for 300mil and a Rattlesnake for 500. Logged in this past weekend after about 3 years away and they were at 1.9 bil and 2.3 bil. The economy is off its shit.
It took 9 months to get your first battleship? I feel like im missing something. Or maybe im skewed by being a wormholer but i owned a couple praxipodes by the third month at least. For ratting and rolling
im trying to get into the bullet game / i mean projectile ammo large 1s but i live near rens / hek so i always make less mony it doesent ssem worthy to make them bullets and then sell them :(
I think you are in the worst possible area in Eve for making money from manufacturing, Hek is the most expensive hub in the game and Rens isn't much better.
Hey OP currently all basic ammo and missiles are oversupplied and if you manufacture them you would have to sell below your costs. Better just to sell the materials on the market unless you need to do it to grind faction rep for manufacturing missions.
for the past 14 years I played on and off I never had more than 2billion in my wallet and maybe 1-2bill in assets I never ever reached 10bill. When I play I just do what ever I feel like is fun and then if I make isk I make isk. The worst part is I take risk and every time I take risk I lose more isk than I made basically putting me almost back to zero. So when people tell me the bigger the risk = bigger reward. Well all I can say to that is bullshit becuse I taken so damn many risks and only reward I gotten is death.
i think they mean more risk = more reward is referring to the level of danger involved with he ratting... Shameless plug : th-cam.com/video/oa1X0iw79l8/w-d-xo.html C5 WH ratting, super dangerous due factors such as being rolled into, a hole left open , a seed left in the hole that scouts a way in for a hostile fleet while you don't notice, etc etc but every day you do it you can make a billion isk. Then there's incursions. Id say that its almost No risk and decent rewards , 200m isk/hr .. definitely a spectrum of what pulls in money and the risk associated with it
Fun fact the first time I ever went into a wormhole I got exploded within 5 minutes by trying to approach this storage site that was green on my HUD but turned out had weapons with 100 km range that exploded my frigate instantly.
@@dag_of_the_west5416 i tried both wh and null scaning gave up aftee makibg like whay 80 mill in 7 hour. I made more isk l4 missions in 2 hour. Im noot keen on spending 40+ hour to maybe just maybe get 1bill in loot that i can also loos in 2 second making the 40 hour wasted for nothing.
Well there is nothing left in EVE on line for me I can not rat because my probe scanning dose not work and if I can find worm holes it won't let me warp to the mining is ok but can't do manufacturing now that CCP has done Cores .
When I started in 2012 I did mining and ran lvl 4 sec missions. After that I made a lot off of Planetary ( before Omega was a thing). Oh I forgot: I sold my 1 yr toon on Eve Bazaar for like 12b isk. On my second main did a lot of trading, then militia warfare where I earned points for faction modules I could sell. Sometimes I just go low sec loot hunting militia wrecks. Now my char is prob worth 35b and I don’t do anything I don’t want anymore. In fact I spend much time in noob space giving out mill of isk to noobs. Nice vid how about an update?
The really funny thing is that i took advantage of people like you to make my first 10+ billion isk in the game. I looked around and found that certain common low-level mission loot in other regions (not the Forge) were vastly underpriced on buy orders. Instead of a 12-15% markup, it was more like 90+%. I joined the 0.01isk war for these items on region-wide buy orders (I found regions where I could sit in the centre of the region to hit the entire region with a 20 jump radius instead of having to set it as region wide which required more skill points). I would quickly acquire a lot of this random loot that people just wanted to off-load. I was actually surprised at how many people were just selling the loot from their missions in whatever system the mission was in. Once I built up a decent amount of some of the loot I would raise my buy orders significantly, but still to the point where someone looking for a ~20% markup by shipping to a trade hub would still be interested in beating my buy order (I built my own spreadsheets trying to imitate how other people were building theirs to figure out the price I could get away with raising it to, but still interest people in beating my buy orders). I would then cancel my buy order when it was beaten and immediately sell all of that loot to the person who just beat my buy order. Effectively, I could make 800% to 1000% profits in a week this way. I turned a small amount of isk into well over a billion in my first month, allowing me to plex my account. I continued doing this until I found some more opportunities that gave me a greater return on my time invested, as this worked on a small scale but I could not scale it up. There are a lot of opportunities in the game to make isk if you're clever. You're right though, once you reach a certain point where a loss no longer stings, the game becomes uninteresting. I remember my first macharial loss stung. I just hopped into a replacement that I already had in my staging area after my 10th one and barely thought anything of it..... And yet, some of the best and most memorable fights I had in the game were in ships like a lowly atron or rifter..... I had way more interesting fights in battlecruiser or smaller ships than I ever had in the bigger ones. By the time I quit I had literally thousands of fully fit ships, and spare implant sets, ammo, nanite, etc, scattered all over the game at various staging points. It was easier to just bulk-buy stuff in Jita and ship it instead of moving my existing stores of stuff around to new staging areas, so I truly have no idea of what I even have sitting in random locations at this point. I was running 21 characters on 7 accounts, and it became more work than play. Looking back, as fun as the game was to play, I'm glad I stopped playing.
And that is a story of pure evil eating itself. Don't be a parasite. " Humans are meant to work and sweat to earn a living. Those that try to get rich quick or live at the expense of others, all get divine retributions somewhere along the line. That's the lesson. Unfortunately we quickly forget the lessons we learned. And then we have to learn them all over again. "
@@smokinggun8418 I'd say it depends on what you want to do in the game. I personally wanted to PvP as much as possible, as I enjoyed small gang PvP. To fund that, I wanted to find the most time-efficient ways to make isk in the game, otherwise I would have considered just buying plex to fund my PvP. I found ways to make more isk in an hour than I could make by working extra and buying plex, so that's what I did..... If you are content with staring at rocks and cycling mining lasers for hours a day, every day, to fund your gameplay, than all the power to you. That wasn't for me.....
Know how I make isk? I go to work. I sit on the toilet for 15 minutes on my phone, then spend 5 minute walking to the outside smoking area, spend 15 minutes having a smoke, another 5 minutes walking back to my toolbox, then 20 minutes deciding what machines I'm gonna work on. Boom, 500 plex in the bank, and then some.
Yep. I tend to have more RL money, and so it's easiest for me to just work an hour at my job, and buy PLEX. I may get into the industry portion of the game just to see if it's for me, but overall I tend to prefer PvP, and PLEX is how I do it.
@@SymeonPhronema Just like in real life, the more money you have, the more money you can make. Buying a couple billion isk through plex then invevsting it in the market or in industry jobs will pay pretty well eventually, as long as you make good investment decisions.
I used to trade in Jita, made my first 10kkk (actually it was 14 when I got bored and stopped) just by reselling mid-tier implants (those which prices are around 17-23kk each) and some cheap faction modules and ships (10-50kk). 3-4 month in total, one hour per day (half in the morning, half in the evening) to manage orders. Mined some good old veldspar while adjusting orders for little bit more ISK. Trade can be very profitable, but damn it's boring if it's just simple reselling. Got myself into research and T2 production (some small and medium ships, some modules, some rigs). In the end it's the same trade, but with more steps and annoying logistics. Which makes it not so boring. :) Also doing PP on three chars, which requires 15-30 mins per day of simple mindless clicking and brings in around 500-600kk per month. The best of all profits was the last winter event, made around 8kkk in a week or so running battle complexes in lowsec 3-4 hours per day using 250kk cost Praxis.
@@zoranhome What's your problem, dude? I talk like this, Eve community talks like this. If you don't like it you can talk to someone else however you want.
@Guglis Amonopol Yep. I don't care. This is why I'm not going to start fruitless discussion about how many people in Eve Online use multy-k instead of K, M and B.
I had no idea what you were talking about either. I guess finding M, B and T on the keyboard is too hard. By the way, the "KKK" here in the US is considered a terrorist organization by the FBI.
PS: in the stock exchanges the big orders can hide majority of their volumes, like icebergs, and they are called dark pools. Quite a lot of interesting things are going on around the dark pools.
Someone answer your question about skill extractors if I have two characters on two separate accounts and I want to consolidate to One account can I extract all the skills from one and then injected to another?
Stick with your 2 accounts, works out cheaper than trying to skill 2 chars at the same time on an account. Plus you have much more choices with 2 accounts (mining on one while missioning on another for example).
I bought a Lg skill injector and was going to put it all into ganking skills.. but I think starting out I need to go with mining and trade skills and start earning my way with getting my own ores and researching blueprints/manufacturing and selling. Once I get a steady income stream I might branch out into ganking. I would really like to make other players rage at their screens as i take their crap lol.. it sounds very satisfying...
@@dag_of_the_west5416 Nah I'm a miner with max skills making good isk.. My mission is to survive/Flee intatct ganking attempts at the roid belt by humans right now.. Warp core stabilizer 2!!!
I started making isk by building Orca's. I was lucky enough to chance across an Orca BPO and used it to build and build with an unlimited output. Then CCP allowed highsec to become flooded, unloved while they concentrated on pandering to the big alliances who already had more territory than they needed. No more research or building could be done in highsec without waitsof months for a free slot. the building game was over, especially for the only cap ships that could be built and flown in highsec, namely the Orca and the Freighters. The Freighter was a joke though, it was ponderously slow, had absolutely no defensive or offensive capability and just screamed "gank me" to anyone in range. Even a low level tank to hold out while your buddies came to your rescue would have helped a bit. CCP wanted a joke in game so they made one and called it a Freighter. Then came the nerfs, one after the other, missiles,nanofibers and many more, making almost all your skilling up totally pointless. Marauders that were specifically designed as L4 mission runner Battleships were nerfed into oblivion, wasting months of skill time and once again, making a T2 Battlecruiser a better ship to do the same missions. The Nanofibers nerf also nerfed the interceptor. Criers kept on about nano ships, failing to realise that a single interceptor fitted out corretly could catch, web and scramble it while your mates ate it for breakfast, yes, I was THAT Interceptor pilot, I know what a skilled pilot in oan Interceptor could do, until they nerfed the Nanofibres of course, then the roles were reversed, the Interceptor becamejust another weak frigate and it did little to really stop the nanoships. A comedy of errors, nerfs, pandering to the wrong players and pissing of new players is what brought Eve down. I used to love playing, now, I wouldn't go back if you paid me to play it.
Great video but I always disagree with the whole EVE has alot of grinding - With the way the real time "leveling" works , you can completely choose not to grind at all. Its all a choice in EVE , you CAN GRIND if you wish or you can play... PIRATE for example Get a Sabre w/Cloak and camp - Sit on a WH near a trade hub in a Arty Thrasher , at least this way your ALWAYS PLAYING \o/ NEVER GRIND - Eve wont feel like a job
Hey Masser, I must say I do completely agree with this. I really liked the skill system within Eve as you never feel that you are loosing out when not playing as the skills tick along.
Camping on gate/wormhole? Seriously?! It's the worst grind in entire Eve! Even mining veld in 1.0 is more fun. :D At least get into faction wars and get active PvP while still grinding some ISK.
Anything you do enough to be really good at it - can become a grind. Here - a very real part of expertise - is - proficiency. If you do something repeatedly over a long period of time - you develop a greater proficiency at doing it - but - if you stop ... then you lose that proficiency and the only way to get it back - is to once more do it repeatedly over a long period of time. This is the reason that military pilots are required to put in a certain number of flight hours per month. You do things so much - that you can spend your time thinking about WHAT you are going to do - not HOW you are going to do it. My greatest personal experience with that was from playing the first version of Planetside and driving a Vanguard Tank. I had two computers and would drive the tank with the keyboard for one and control the gun with the mouse for the other. During the work week I played 4 hours a night. On the weekends and holidays - I played 10 hours a day (or more). I noticed that on the weekends - I got really, really good with that gun. I could put those rounds exactly where I wanted them. Then - the weekend would be over and I was back to "only" playing 4 hours a day. My proficiency would fall off and I couldn't do the things I could on the weekends. Then - that first 10 hour day - I would get my proficiency back. I would say that what determines more whether something is a grind or not - is the player. Some players have more tolerance than others for doing the same damn thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ... Ad infinitum. I pretty much hate Mission Running in EVE for that very reason. The same damn missions over and over and over - etc. I run missions when I have to - but otherwise - no. I'm a Miner. If you think that's boring - it is because you are not trying to control multiple accounts and keep those lasers humming on all those ships. You're to busy to be bored. .
Yeah. I've seen guys who had buy orders out to buy things and then sell orders out to sell it for just a little more. I think this was in Botane ... [shrug]. You're remark about EVE having *_Real Loss_* is dead on. In most other games - you kill, you die and you respawn - over and over and over. Getting killed costs you nothing but the time to respawn and get back into the fight. EVE's not like that. You have spent a certain amount of your Real Life playing the game long enough to get the ship you are in - and if you lose it - that portion of your Real Life - is gone. .
Yeah, we know this game is about making money, we know we need money to afford things, we lived the life, we know how it works, so could you get to your point quicker?! At that point your point is pointed out by numerous guides. It's basic! I'm writing this right after sleep, you made me go earlier!
For years in this game most of my isk was made from exploration, whether it was in wh's or just doing DED sites (or anything else I felt like doing at the time) and it was generally good fun. But over time even that got boring so I also started to use all the stuff I had gathered over time and went into manufacturing and because I found use for them I then did a bit of PI as well. But over the years all the people I used to play with in the game slowly disappeared and not being into PVP finding a Corp that was going to last was getting more and more difficult as the game started to be more and more PVP orientated so 10 years plus in I finally reached the point to call it a day. I'm now 67 years old and still miss it occasionally but its been a few years since I played a lot of the changes they have made over the last few years I find hard to swallow so will probably never get back in the game. But that being said, for new players with the staying power I can still see this being a game that will keep them happy for years so all I can say further is fly safe and have fun.
Ten years is a pretty good run! Thanks for sharing your Eve story!
Hey,
sounds like it is time for you to explain the game to new players :)
Could be fun to don't you think?
Bitter Vet moment
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The fact that "bitter vets" even exist is a problem. He gave the game props, in case you missed it.
@@ChaotiX1 you can just instantly know you are a griefer xd
What can I say? I love mining. I love being (virtually) in a procurer, chewing down a rock, and dropping it in station until there's no more rock. I love it when Aura says "The asteroid is depleted." Only ten months in this game, went from the venture to the procurer and am looking at the skiff. Soon! This is fun! (Okay, that was weird. Sorry about that.)
Nice to hear, awesome that they are buffing your playstyle in the next update and actually helping subcap mining ships, so its more worth it to mine in them
Nothing wrong with mining. I've done pvp for nearly eight years in this game, ran a corp, did highsec and lowsec and nullsec, but I still like getting my alts together and going and grinding down an asteroid belt in highsec every now and then. Not for the isk, cause I really don't need it, but just to enjoy it.
I just got my own procure after turning my nose up at mining for the longest time. Doing alot of gas mining and baiting in it. Nothing is quite as fun as making isk while your buddies are waiting for that proteus at 60km to finish deliberating on whether or not you are bait. When infact your buddies are taking a bio break
Have fun dealing with CORE, the resident griefers of highsec. I would jet can mine in a Rokh just so I could piss off those douchenozzles.
@@muskaos Thank you! Now there's a reason to PVP, destroy those … wayward children. Now, where does one learn to FC?
"Eve really does reward you for long-term thinking" {thumbs up}
During one of my heavy PVP periods I lost a bunch of PVP Tengu's over 2 weeks. Each valued at about 2.5 billion ISK. It stung....but god that ship had an amazing engagement profile. Made the cash farming DED plexes in lowsec. Often I would scan whole regions hunting for plexes.
I'm not a super active player, but I do have 2 Omega accounts. I just wanted to say I've been really enjoying your videos. Thank you for making Eve content!
You are more than welcome and, nice to hear that you are enjoying them.
I love scanning in the wh and nulls, I feel so excited about any anomaly, it's just so satisfying
Screwing with the market in one way or the other is how I make most of my isk. The dire consequences this game has along with it's economy is why I enjoy it.
Same here. I played for years and years to get my first bil. A few month in Station Trading and I headed to the stars with multi-billions of ISK and assets.
I have played EVE Online for years and am away from it for long now, but your talk makes me want to come back. I do miss the urge to become rich and the thrill of moving stuff without being shot. Thanks.
That “sense of loss” is a really significant part of the appeal. Many a game was ruined by cheat codes and god mode. I am sure it is tapping into something deeply psychological.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. It's pretty rare in today's gaming that we encounter the true sense of loss. Hollow Knight did it particularly well recently (two lives and can lose all your progress & in-game currency), but Eve is on another scale. Interesting video, thanks and fly safe!
Should have played when you lost skill points if you hot podded and didn't update your clone insurance/ grade.
It was the fucking WORST. Lost your shit plus a fuck load of sp.
Ya, My first Market venture was putting up a bunch of buy orders for undervalued meta modules. There are quite a few modules that you can make a lot of profit on when selling their reprocessed minerals. There are quite a few low-value modules with a high drop rate which people just want to get rid of.
Yep, many people don't seem to realize the materials value. This is also evident with the oversupply of ammo and missiles in the market with most of it below even omega manufacturing costs.
I used to run industry in Lonetrek, and I would do system wide buy orders for Trit. I could fly a freighter, so running around picking it all up wasn't a huge deal. I was building T2 fittings, and built everything involved in doing that, from the T1 basic components, to the T2 stuff, to inventing BPCs (my corp had high sec POS with labs for inventing). I even built my own jump freighter, once. Back when a Fenrir was just over a bil isk. It has been years since I have looked at building things again, so I have no idea what it takes to build stuff now.
I played solo for about a year and a half by challenging myself to become successful in the game by myself... I started from scratch and made quite a trade empire for myself with just battleships and skins... I used one omega account and four alpha accounts to cover all the trade hubs... I quit the game 2 years ago when CCP made the listing/relisting market fee changes and started undercutting everyone's skin investments... Thinking of going back soon and creating another challenge for myself... I play Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen...but there are many things about Eve Online that I prefer over the other games... I find it to strategically push your brain alot more than the other games... Maybe see you in there... o7
Pretty cool Strange, never thought of that myself.
People in Eve are sometimes pretty sharp. I sometimes find the odd bio to be the highlight of the day.
I admit to sitting in local mining or whatever and randomly reading the bios of the crazier named toons.
I sometimes get a kick out of them. Its not the game as much as its the individual players that does it for me.
Minmatar space never fails to deliver.
Never tried Minmitar, was Caldari and Gallente. Yeah, unless it is a trading toon that never leaves the station you have to have a bio. More than that I do rpg.
Yea sure, go mine first minerals like Veldspar (1.5 mill worth), reprocess them now they are 450k worth, now craft some items and volla you sell it for 165k! Nice industry skills!
best post, because its accurate.
Obviously you should just sell the minerals. Yeah currently nearly all the basic ammo and missiles are oversupplied and listed on the market below actual manufacturing costs, even for an Omega. Of course an Omega probably has much better stuff to manufacture. People should be looking at what the materials plus fees cost when manufacturing something, unless they are purely in it to gain rep in a faction manufacturing story arc.
Thanks for your various videos, the inspired me to try new things out. I am now rolling in ISK 😊
Great video but the burp around 05:0r 5:03 got to me a little😂
This was really interesting to watch.
Part of me hates the grind in EVE and after 4 years of playing, i still haven’t found my niche. There are things I enjoy doing but I have a tendency to over-grind them and eventually lose interest (E.g. L4 missions & Abyss).
Risk adversity is a huge obstacle in EVE, one that probably warrants a video all in itself 😜. Overcoming this continues to be one of my greatest challenges in EVE and all too often I settle for minor risk for minor reward instead of gambling for a much larger payout.
You sound EXACTLY like me. I stay in high-sec, half afk l4 missions and do the combat sites. Almost no risk but the reward is meh…
I want to try ratting in wormholes, or in these crazy good systems. NPC null missions etc. However, there’s so much risk here and what if i lose my only marauder? Then i’m fucked. The reward is higher yes but the risk is so much higher too. Battleships etc cost SO FUCKING MUCH these days that it almost doesn’t even seem worth it. It only becomes worth it ONCE you already have tens of billions of ISK laying around to keep finding these marauders if you do die, until you make a profit from them. Ask then HOW do you make enough money before that, to get to the point? Doing L4 missions for 2m payouts in a 1b+ ship?? There seems to be this huge gap between awful money/risk and huge money/risk. I’m so scared of losing my ship that i never try anything new
I think focusing on finding a niche isn't always the best idea. After playing for 12 years I've found doing a bit of everything is the way to go
I wish someone makes a video on "how I spend 10 billion ISK and also have some fun..." but I know what you mean.
Jump into pimped frigates and blow them up in fw pvp
Buying an astero or t2 hacking/relic ship and getting lost for a day or 2 then trying to find your way back with a bunch of valuable loot is a way to get a lot of money fast and will set you up for a lot of pvp in cruisers and down for a while
Nice video. For me, I enjoy manufacturing. Lately, with CCP's Jihad on small high sec industrialists and small industrial corps I'm finding it increasing difficult to find a reason to continue to play the game. What's good for null sec and the Eve wealthy players is not necessarily good for the average small player. Basically, unless it's an NPC station, everywhere I manufacture, some asshat high sec PVP corp comes by and whacks the structure. This gives the large industrialists and null sec alliances an unfair cost advantage over us little guys. Not sure how much more CCP rectal-cranial inversion I can take.
That's somewhat true and yes currently in Hisec it is probably best to use an NPC station for mfg just be sure to pull up the in-game map and search systems for Mfg cost index and find one low (below 3) before setting up operations. Or better yet just forget all the bother and come back as a ganker and intercept all those valuable trade goods coming from null before they get to Jita. Zkill shows billion dollar haulers with no tank and on autopilot are still happening every week.
I've only been playing a few months but I have fallen in love with the astero and wormholes. I've lost 3 but its so much fun. It takes me a while to get back up to another one so I need to figure out how to fun my death game. Lol
Once you get into the scanning properly the price of an Astero is nothing to the amount you can make from wh relic and data sites, I've been known to spend a whole day in wh's and come out with 3 or 4 billion and more. When you are scanning make sure you stay mobile as much as possible which not only makes it difficult to find you it also gives you a better chance of spotting anyone else in there with you, also I used to fly into a relic site and then fly out again within 5 or 10 seconds to see if anyone was there waiting to gank me. You can usually escape in time if you are ready to warp out when they decloak.
Mind I know why you settled on an Astero as opposed to a Heron or Sunesis?
idk why...but your vids are soothing lol
Once I discovered comerce I loved it. I made my first 2 Billions with a simple item called Vitoc, the profit margin X unit X volume was HUGE, but around one billion and half, I got stuck at the speed I was getting rich, so I had to move to something more profitable. Then at around 6 Billion I got bored.
This was a great method, wish I had known about it before. I'm currently doing hypernet with Orca's to add to my billions.
wait you can sell and buy items in stations that you aren't docked at? I am a starter, so idk if that is a feature I don't know about or if it is an omega feature.
I believe the skill "Day Trading" is what lets you alter buy/sell orders remotely. That's all it's good for, but it's handy if you want to keep an eye on your orders from wherever.
I've just recently reactivated my account after 6 years and I ran L4 missions, one thing I feel is the missions are pretty much the same, be nice for CCP to update/add to pve in general.
As for generating isk passavily I salvage all missions plus mine so I manafactor Rigs, Frigates and Destroyers, ships usually put 50 ships onto the market per order, sell ammo at mission hubs and sell the good loot/salvage from missions, also buy implants and faction ammo from LP store, so I've always got multiple items selling on the market 24\7.
I was the same, running L4's with modest manufacturing and hauling. Currently all the basic ammo and missiles is oversupplied on the market and not worth the material costs.
@@dag_of_the_west5416 Same goes for most of the ships, I used to manufacture T2 frigates but now not worth the bother unless you can get into a nul corp and supply there.
Why would CCP spend time on updating hi sec content, hi sec ships don't get blown up that much so no profits from PLEX for them.
I'm flush with isk, having just sold my project discovery marshal. My first instinct was to buy a bunch of skill injectors, but I may invest instead. It will take some contemplation...
Nice one! How long did that take to do?
@@strange_Net I would say about 3 1/2 months to get the blueprint, and then another 2 months to be okay with sinking the 2.3 billion it cost to make it. In the end, my profit was around 5 billion.
@@pmull6784 Thanks for the info. Not much, I got from 1 to 10 bils in around same time period just sitting on Jita market and reselling implants. It took like 15-30 mins in the morning and same in the evening to check sells and make/update orders. Used to do it while mining ore to get little additional income.
@@1kvolt1978 I'm definitely leaning toward market trading now. I'm sitting on almost 12 billion. It would be stupid just to blow it all. I'll buy the Gila I've been training into first, though. I just wanted to add for people whe may want to sell their Marshal, I priced it at 7.999 billion in Dodixie and it took 3 weeks to find a buyer. Be patient. I got lucky. It could have taken months.
@@pmull6784 you should watch Oz, he does a weekly economic report. Also if you want to gamble a bit the price of Plex seems to be going up, well I expect at least until the end of summer.
Long ago I purchased a noctis for 60 mil. Reinstalled today and they are going for 120 mil. The ecenomy must have gone bonkers
I know this is a bit old, but I felt this this past weekend. Had a Machariel for 300mil and a Rattlesnake for 500. Logged in this past weekend after about 3 years away and they were at 1.9 bil and 2.3 bil. The economy is off its shit.
It took 9 months to get your first battleship? I feel like im missing something. Or maybe im skewed by being a wormholer but i owned a couple praxipodes by the third month at least. For ratting and rolling
What ship did you use, to move the large amount of tritanium around highsec?
Hey, I didnt move it I just re sold it where it was bought from at the time.
im trying to get into the bullet game / i mean projectile ammo large 1s but i live near rens / hek so i always make less mony it doesent ssem worthy to make them bullets and then sell them :(
I think you are in the worst possible area in Eve for making money from manufacturing, Hek is the most expensive hub in the game and Rens isn't much better.
Hey OP currently all basic ammo and missiles are oversupplied and if you manufacture them you would have to sell below your costs. Better just to sell the materials on the market unless you need to do it to grind faction rep for manufacturing missions.
for the past 14 years I played on and off I never had more than 2billion in my wallet and maybe 1-2bill in assets I never ever reached 10bill. When I play I just do what ever I feel like is fun and then if I make isk I make isk. The worst part is I take risk and every time I take risk I lose more isk than I made basically putting me almost back to zero.
So when people tell me the bigger the risk = bigger reward. Well all I can say to that is bullshit becuse I taken so damn many risks and only reward I gotten is death.
i think they mean more risk = more reward is referring to the level of danger involved with he ratting...
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C5 WH ratting, super dangerous due factors such as being rolled into, a hole left open , a seed left in the hole that scouts a way in for a hostile fleet while you don't notice, etc etc but every day you do it you can make a billion isk. Then there's incursions. Id say that its almost No risk and decent rewards , 200m isk/hr .. definitely a spectrum of what pulls in money and the risk associated with it
I hear scanning relic and data sites in wormholes can net you a couple billion while only risking a ship worth a few million.
Fun fact the first time I ever went into a wormhole I got exploded within 5 minutes by trying to approach this storage site that was green on my HUD but turned out had weapons with 100 km range that exploded my frigate instantly.
@@dag_of_the_west5416 i tried both wh and null scaning gave up aftee makibg like whay 80 mill in 7 hour. I made more isk l4 missions in 2 hour. Im noot keen on spending 40+ hour to maybe just maybe get 1bill in loot that i can also loos in 2 second making the 40 hour wasted for nothing.
its only bullshit because its not a calculated risk.
Well there is nothing left in EVE on line for me I can not rat because my probe scanning dose not work and if I can find worm holes it won't let me warp to the mining is ok but can't do manufacturing now that CCP has done Cores .
Why cant you manufacture?
When I started in 2012 I did mining and ran lvl 4 sec missions. After that I made a lot off of Planetary ( before Omega was a thing). Oh I forgot: I sold my 1 yr toon on Eve Bazaar for like 12b isk. On my second main did a lot of trading, then militia warfare where I earned points for faction modules I could sell. Sometimes I just go low sec loot hunting militia wrecks. Now my char is prob worth 35b and I don’t do anything I don’t want anymore. In fact I spend much time in noob space giving out mill of isk to noobs. Nice vid how about an update?
The really funny thing is that i took advantage of people like you to make my first 10+ billion isk in the game.
I looked around and found that certain common low-level mission loot in other regions (not the Forge) were vastly underpriced on buy orders. Instead of a 12-15% markup, it was more like 90+%.
I joined the 0.01isk war for these items on region-wide buy orders (I found regions where I could sit in the centre of the region to hit the entire region with a 20 jump radius instead of having to set it as region wide which required more skill points).
I would quickly acquire a lot of this random loot that people just wanted to off-load. I was actually surprised at how many people were just selling the loot from their missions in whatever system the mission was in. Once I built up a decent amount of some of the loot I would raise my buy orders significantly, but still to the point where someone looking for a ~20% markup by shipping to a trade hub would still be interested in beating my buy order (I built my own spreadsheets trying to imitate how other people were building theirs to figure out the price I could get away with raising it to, but still interest people in beating my buy orders). I would then cancel my buy order when it was beaten and immediately sell all of that loot to the person who just beat my buy order.
Effectively, I could make 800% to 1000% profits in a week this way. I turned a small amount of isk into well over a billion in my first month, allowing me to plex my account. I continued doing this until I found some more opportunities that gave me a greater return on my time invested, as this worked on a small scale but I could not scale it up. There are a lot of opportunities in the game to make isk if you're clever.
You're right though, once you reach a certain point where a loss no longer stings, the game becomes uninteresting. I remember my first macharial loss stung. I just hopped into a replacement that I already had in my staging area after my 10th one and barely thought anything of it..... And yet, some of the best and most memorable fights I had in the game were in ships like a lowly atron or rifter..... I had way more interesting fights in battlecruiser or smaller ships than I ever had in the bigger ones. By the time I quit I had literally thousands of fully fit ships, and spare implant sets, ammo, nanite, etc, scattered all over the game at various staging points. It was easier to just bulk-buy stuff in Jita and ship it instead of moving my existing stores of stuff around to new staging areas, so I truly have no idea of what I even have sitting in random locations at this point. I was running 21 characters on 7 accounts, and it became more work than play. Looking back, as fun as the game was to play, I'm glad I stopped playing.
And that is a story of pure evil eating itself. Don't be a parasite. " Humans are meant to work and sweat to earn a living. Those that try to get rich quick or live at the expense of others, all get divine retributions somewhere along the line. That's the lesson. Unfortunately we quickly forget the lessons we learned. And then we have to learn them all over again. "
@@smokinggun8418 I'd say it depends on what you want to do in the game. I personally wanted to PvP as much as possible, as I enjoyed small gang PvP. To fund that, I wanted to find the most time-efficient ways to make isk in the game, otherwise I would have considered just buying plex to fund my PvP. I found ways to make more isk in an hour than I could make by working extra and buying plex, so that's what I did..... If you are content with staring at rocks and cycling mining lasers for hours a day, every day, to fund your gameplay, than all the power to you. That wasn't for me.....
@@ImperviousSC small gang PvP. you just have no honor at all, don't you?
@@smokinggun8418 you sound pretty salty m8.
@@ImperviousSC I knew you would say that
@strange_Net does this still work? and is it worth paying tax to update orders?
Know how I make isk?
I go to work. I sit on the toilet for 15 minutes on my phone, then spend 5 minute walking to the outside smoking area, spend 15 minutes having a smoke, another 5 minutes walking back to my toolbox, then 20 minutes deciding what machines I'm gonna work on.
Boom, 500 plex in the bank, and then some.
Yep. I tend to have more RL money, and so it's easiest for me to just work an hour at my job, and buy PLEX. I may get into the industry portion of the game just to see if it's for me, but overall I tend to prefer PvP, and PLEX is how I do it.
@@SymeonPhronema Just like in real life, the more money you have, the more money you can make. Buying a couple billion isk through plex then invevsting it in the market or in industry jobs will pay pretty well eventually, as long as you make good investment decisions.
@@SymeonPhronema thank you guys for supporting the game, some of the rest of us have too many expenses already so have to grind for now.
< still job hunting sadge
@@dag_of_the_west5416 Thanks for grinding and providing that stuff in game. The less you grind, the more expensive everything is for everyone else.
I want to invest to get mine
I used to trade in Jita, made my first 10kkk (actually it was 14 when I got bored and stopped) just by reselling mid-tier implants (those which prices are around 17-23kk each) and some cheap faction modules and ships (10-50kk). 3-4 month in total, one hour per day (half in the morning, half in the evening) to manage orders. Mined some good old veldspar while adjusting orders for little bit more ISK. Trade can be very profitable, but damn it's boring if it's just simple reselling.
Got myself into research and T2 production (some small and medium ships, some modules, some rigs). In the end it's the same trade, but with more steps and annoying logistics. Which makes it not so boring. :)
Also doing PP on three chars, which requires 15-30 mins per day of simple mindless clicking and brings in around 500-600kk per month.
The best of all profits was the last winter event, made around 8kkk in a week or so running battle complexes in lowsec 3-4 hours per day using 250kk cost Praxis.
wtf is kkk? k is 3 zeroes? I mean who talks like this? Have you saved a lot of time? Do you type K instead of Ok?
@@zoranhome What's your problem, dude? I talk like this, Eve community talks like this. If you don't like it you can talk to someone else however you want.
@Guglis Amonopol Yep. I don't care. This is why I'm not going to start fruitless discussion about how many people in Eve Online use multy-k instead of K, M and B.
I had no idea what you were talking about either. I guess finding M, B and T on the keyboard is too hard. By the way, the "KKK" here in the US is considered a terrorist organization by the FBI.
What is kk or kkk?
This is super smart. Basically you undercut the large regional buyers by 1 cent and then sell back to them, correct?
PS: the way I understood it, you are doing futures trading in EVE where there are no futures contracts and exchanges, you are a genius.
PS: in the stock exchanges the big orders can hide majority of their volumes, like icebergs, and they are called dark pools. Quite a lot of interesting things are going on around the dark pools.
Someone answer your question about skill extractors if I have two characters on two separate accounts and I want to consolidate to One account can I extract all the skills from one and then injected to another?
Stick with your 2 accounts, works out cheaper than trying to skill 2 chars at the same time on an account. Plus you have much more choices with 2 accounts (mining on one while missioning on another for example).
the sense of loss is still very much there
Yep, having a 1.5bil Stratios ganked still hurts.
I bought a Lg skill injector and was going to put it all into ganking skills.. but I think starting out I need to go with mining and trade skills and start earning my way with getting my own ores and researching blueprints/manufacturing and selling. Once I get a steady income stream I might branch out into ganking. I would really like to make other players rage at their screens as i take their crap lol.. it sounds very satisfying...
You really need to have a 2nd toon if you plan to become a criminal. Otherwise how do you plan to mine and trade to support your ganking habit?
@@dag_of_the_west5416 Nah I'm a miner with max skills making good isk.. My mission is to survive/Flee intatct ganking attempts at the roid belt by humans right now.. Warp core stabilizer 2!!!
I stole my first 10 billion, that helped haha
Uncool, i know its Part of eve but you ruined sombody elses day/ career etc and i dont think thats a great thing to do
@@mctobi2921 Maybe they should have been smarter with their 10B then. Eve is about loss. Everything is PvP. Everything.
@@mctobi2921 eve is all about kicking down sandcastles! 🧂
@@mctobi2921 It's the best and the only way to get the most precious resource in Eve - salt. Salt and tears worth way more than ISK!
@@1kvolt1978 exactly, meals seasoned with isks don't taste as good as those with salt.
I started making isk by building Orca's. I was lucky enough to chance across an Orca BPO and used it to build and build with an unlimited output.
Then CCP allowed highsec to become flooded, unloved while they concentrated on pandering to the big alliances who already had more territory than they needed. No more research or building could be done in highsec without waitsof months for a free slot. the building game was over, especially for the only cap ships that could be built and flown in highsec, namely the Orca and the Freighters.
The Freighter was a joke though, it was ponderously slow, had absolutely no defensive or offensive capability and just screamed "gank me" to anyone in range. Even a low level tank to hold out while your buddies came to your rescue would have helped a bit. CCP wanted a joke in game so they made one and called it a Freighter.
Then came the nerfs, one after the other, missiles,nanofibers and many more, making almost all your skilling up totally pointless. Marauders that were specifically designed as L4 mission runner Battleships were nerfed into oblivion, wasting months of skill time and once again, making a T2 Battlecruiser a better ship to do the same missions. The Nanofibers nerf also nerfed the interceptor. Criers kept on about nano ships, failing to realise that a single interceptor fitted out corretly could catch, web and scramble it while your mates ate it for breakfast, yes, I was THAT Interceptor pilot, I know what a skilled pilot in oan Interceptor could do, until they nerfed the Nanofibres of course, then the roles were reversed, the Interceptor becamejust another weak frigate and it did little to really stop the nanoships.
A comedy of errors, nerfs, pandering to the wrong players and pissing of new players is what brought Eve down. I used to love playing, now, I wouldn't go back if you paid me to play it.
Great video but I always disagree with the whole EVE has alot of grinding - With the way the real time "leveling" works , you can completely choose not to grind at all. Its all a choice in EVE , you CAN GRIND if you wish or you can play... PIRATE for example
Get a Sabre w/Cloak and camp - Sit on a WH near a trade hub in a Arty Thrasher , at least this way your ALWAYS PLAYING \o/ NEVER GRIND - Eve wont feel like a job
Hey Masser, I must say I do completely agree with this. I really liked the skill system within Eve as you never feel that you are loosing out when not playing as the skills tick along.
Camping on gate/wormhole? Seriously?! It's the worst grind in entire Eve! Even mining veld in 1.0 is more fun. :D
At least get into faction wars and get active PvP while still grinding some ISK.
@@1kvolt1978 Is every breath you take a grind for your lungs or are you just living ? :)
@@masserphi2534 Oh, dude... All my life is stupid grind. For lungs, for stomach, for butt after all. If only I could just live, if only I could...
Anything you do enough to be really good at it - can become a grind.
Here - a very real part of expertise - is - proficiency. If you do something repeatedly over a long period of time - you develop a greater proficiency at doing it - but - if you stop ... then you lose that proficiency and the only way to get it back - is to once more do it repeatedly over a long period of time. This is the reason that military pilots are required to put in a certain number of flight hours per month. You do things so much - that you can spend your time thinking about WHAT you are going to do - not HOW you are going to do it.
My greatest personal experience with that was from playing the first version of Planetside and driving a Vanguard Tank. I had two computers and would drive the tank with the keyboard for one and control the gun with the mouse for the other. During the work week I played 4 hours a night. On the weekends and holidays - I played 10 hours a day (or more). I noticed that on the weekends - I got really, really good with that gun. I could put those rounds exactly where I wanted them. Then - the weekend would be over and I was back to "only" playing 4 hours a day. My proficiency would fall off and I couldn't do the things I could on the weekends. Then - that first 10 hour day - I would get my proficiency back.
I would say that what determines more whether something is a grind or not - is the player. Some players have more tolerance than others for doing the same damn thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ... Ad infinitum.
I pretty much hate Mission Running in EVE for that very reason. The same damn missions over and over and over - etc. I run missions when I have to - but otherwise - no. I'm a Miner. If you think that's boring - it is because you are not trying to control multiple accounts and keep those lasers humming on all those ships. You're to busy to be bored.
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0:08 nyuuuuu eve online is a spread sheet simulator uwu
Think and Grow Rich - The EVE Version
Yeah. I've seen guys who had buy orders out to buy things and then sell orders out to sell it for just a little more. I think this was in Botane ... [shrug].
You're remark about EVE having *_Real Loss_* is dead on. In most other games - you kill, you die and you respawn - over and over and over. Getting killed costs you nothing but the time to respawn and get back into the fight.
EVE's not like that. You have spent a certain amount of your Real Life playing the game long enough to get the ship you are in - and if you lose it - that portion of your Real Life - is gone.
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No it isn't, you can visit your old ship on Zkill.
Long story short, you should ONLY do game activities that you enjoy as a game and not worry ONE minute about making ISK for your time.
Yeah, we know this game is about making money, we know we need money to afford things, we lived the life, we know how it works, so could you get to your point quicker?! At that point your point is pointed out by numerous guides. It's basic! I'm writing this right after sleep, you made me go earlier!
Great videos thanks
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So 17 minutes for him to say mining isn't as good as it used to be but I still do it but I recommend it but I don't but I do.
@5:02 we heard that
yo best start PRESS reset Button on computer case :)
What? Speed past the important part. Rest is nothing
New player looking for a corp
Afktar all day Long that how i make 7-9b a month
Nice video o7
All time spent in Eve is time you could have spent with your family.. All time is time spent...
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2:54 lol sounds hurt. In Amarr i imagine we're abandoned at birth unless we're important. So quit whining! XD
I literally gambled my wealth
Did it pay off in the end?
@@strange_Net yea it did. Remember when you could gamble on sports several yeas ago. Eve casino. 244billion in the end
@@dime4026 my word heck yea that paid off! Nice one :-)
Erm did you really just say that you love eve pvp for being able to eradicate someone elses lifetime? 😅 lol
To complicate to understand
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You rambled on for 17 minutes to share a strategy that probably won’t work because of taxes?
Look title
Can still work as long as you are careful what you buy/sell and take the taxes into consideration.
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Man this guy just rambled on for a whole 5 minutes before he actually started to get to the point lol
Must skip video
farsite...
It's probably because I'm stupid...but, you didn't make any sense whatsoever.
can yor send me 10 mill papi
yo talk so much and said nothing lmao. i did this for x amount of years but it dosnt work i tried it recently 👎 kekw
ok boomer
Burpy lol
first useless coment
just finish school
What?
evil