I think the idea of how the prefrontal cortex goes offline explains how some people just simply don't respond well to cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) because they can't engage the prefrontal cortex well enough with the underlying thought processes, they only recognize the activating situation and the consequences of feeling bad about it. This is the ABC model in CBT. If Dr. Siegal could identify in one of the videos how to get the prefrontal cortex back "online" as he says, that would be really helpful.
this shit is profound. explains why my ex wanted to be with me in harmony, but always destructed the whole relationship violently at the first sign on trouble, then regretted it later. she had so much investment wrapped up in me that i was the only person in her life that could easily trigger these mechanisms and manifest unchecked acts of rage. people say no regrets but if i had more knowledge in years past i would have had the tools to disarm her from that state and talk her through it. at the time my only reaction was wow what a crazy evil bitch. basically exacerbating the schism.
Good that you are a decent enough human being to ponder this, but the idea that we can control and manage these things I would personally call into question. You can try, but you cant hold yourself responsible for the actions of another person.
@beatsnstrings interesting, 10 years later so much information out about fearful avoidants. You couldn't have talked her out of it, once they shut down there's no talking to change your behavior. Basically it takes a couple of days to a couple of months for them to return.
When the prefrontal cortex goes offline to a perceived attack, isn't one of the reactions the freeze response, rather than plotting revenge or acting out aggressively? Because that's sure what I do. Freaking freeze up. I know it's gotta be involuntary too.
I can have several bad events occur each one shortly after the other and as I feel myself hanging by a thread I try to back off. One the thread breaks though, that is some sensation. The cortex separating from the ancient limbic system.... that is interesting.
When is it an active attack then? I mean it must be nice to come from a background where you just never really feel this is a potential life event. But once you think it's a potential life event, you can't just forget about it and have zero plan for it. Even though people from a background where it just never even came up as a issue on the radar can have zero plan for it. Expecting people to have the plan of 'To be nice I'll just accept any old thing happening to me' to be nice...isn't very nice.
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This whole series is so helpful in explaining what goes on in our brains when our emotions rule our reactions.
I think the idea of how the prefrontal cortex goes offline explains how some people just simply don't respond well to cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) because they can't engage the prefrontal cortex well enough with the underlying thought processes, they only recognize the activating situation and the consequences of feeling bad about it. This is the ABC model in CBT. If Dr. Siegal could identify in one of the videos how to get the prefrontal cortex back "online" as he says, that would be really helpful.
man this is a great video. he has a really good way of simplifying the lingo so anyone can grasp it. great stuff.
this shit is profound. explains why my ex wanted to be with me in harmony, but always destructed the whole relationship violently at the first sign on trouble, then regretted it later. she had so much investment wrapped up in me that i was the only person in her life that could easily trigger these mechanisms and manifest unchecked acts of rage. people say no regrets but if i had more knowledge in years past i would have had the tools to disarm her from that state and talk her through it. at the time my only reaction was wow what a crazy evil bitch. basically exacerbating the schism.
Good that you are a decent enough human being to ponder this, but the idea that we can control and manage these things I would personally call into question. You can try, but you cant hold yourself responsible for the actions of another person.
@beatsnstrings interesting, 10 years later so much information out about fearful avoidants. You couldn't have talked her out of it, once they shut down there's no talking to change your behavior. Basically it takes a couple of days to a couple of months for them to return.
Thank you - thank you - thank you.
You see this frequently in road rage!
we´ve had plenty of decades and decades of explanations of what happen and descriptions, people need the tools, resources , exercises and info..
Truly enjoyed his videos. But I also would like to learn about High - Road functions .
Well said.
When the prefrontal cortex goes offline to a perceived attack, isn't one of the reactions the freeze response, rather than plotting revenge or acting out aggressively? Because that's sure what I do. Freaking freeze up. I know it's gotta be involuntary too.
There are three responses: fight, flight, or freeze.
Pete Walker wrote about fawning as a 4th response.
Yes, it's well documented in Fearful Avoidant attachments
I can have several bad events occur each one shortly after the other and as I feel myself hanging by a thread I try to back off. One the thread breaks though, that is some sensation.
The cortex separating from the ancient limbic system.... that is interesting.
this happens to me when i have a relationship breakup. i wish i knew what to do about it. its really screwing my life up.
are you okay now?
Fearful avoidant!
When is it an active attack then? I mean it must be nice to come from a background where you just never really feel this is a potential life event. But once you think it's a potential life event, you can't just forget about it and have zero plan for it. Even though people from a background where it just never even came up as a issue on the radar can have zero plan for it. Expecting people to have the plan of 'To be nice I'll just accept any old thing happening to me' to be nice...isn't very nice.
Cross generation trauma
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