Thanks! I'm just starting working towards my A this weekend, so this is good to know. I did martial arts for years and we had a saying, "practice makes permanent, not perfect".
I just did Flight 101 course with Flight-1 over the weekend, and the best way to resolve a line twist apparently is to press the lines together below the twist, not pull them apart. This releases the tension and allows them to unravel much easier. This is what they teach the military.
Thanks for sharing this, had line twists on my AFF1 jump. Kicked twice and watched which way the lines were going- incase I was adding more twists not clearing them- checked Alti, then kicked the rest out. There is nothing like vicarious learning, your upload may well have helped save me a reserve ride. Very glad to hear you now jump with an AAD. Blue skies.
The same thing happened on my first jump tandem. It was not extreme enough for the instructor to cut away or anything but, I only found out after watching the video at home. It was still a remarkable experience, my first and last experience with parachuting.
Never had the 'joy' of a cutaway, but have done a dead stick landing on a microlight - probably a similarly "interesting" experience. I've only done around 25 jumps btw ( a few years ago ) but they taught us well about various malfunctions at RAF Weston-on-the-green. I had twists myself and kicked out of them. Never had a reserve ride, but kudos for sharing this. It must have been a tense moment and an interesting experience.
@vannilesoep I was shooting video for Tandems at the time and some say if you snag a line on one of your cameras and need to chop the canopy, the RSL will pull the reserve out and entangle with the main. If you have a line snag and no RSL you can chop and try to untangle before hitting the reserve. On the other hand, I had no excuse for jumping without a AAD. Since that jump I have never jumped a rig without an AAD.
lol I was thinking 'wait...that's the wrong way' Good job on not forgetting about the ground overall and getting a good chute over head. Lesson learned. I had my cutaway on my 10th jump lol. Half the parachute got stuck in the grommet whole when the pilot chute pulled it out of it's bag. I'm sure this is a funny story you laugh about with friends these days.
Grabbing your risers on opening can bite you in the ass. If you get your fingers caught in twisted risers you will have a very bad day. And yes, seen this happen numerous times. One of the persons in questions on top of having their fingers trapped was lacking hard housings. Lucky to have survived by just adding the reserve to the mess.
It is good practice to ask your reserve rigger, after he repack your reserve to do a test pull. They know some method how to embed a temporary pin there, so you can actually pull your reserve completelly, without reserve being activated. The rigger then put your pin back to closing loop and removes temporary pin. This is good so you know exactly how it feels to pull reserve on your rig. People are sometimes surprised how hard it is to pull it. But NEVER DO IT ALONE, without your reserve rigger supervision. You really dont want to mess with your reserve.
Higher wing loaded conopies are best not hooked up to an RSL...you have a better chance to get away from your wadded main...A LOT better! I have seen how bad a RSL is sometimes. I jump with one...I also fly a Pilot 188 loaded @1.21 Nice save brother! Gotta love & trust your rigger!
I like to, as well as several other jumpers I know, like to do a malfunction simulation at every reserve repack, where we either have our rig on standing or, even better, in a hanging harness. It's nice to get the feel on your particular rig of the amount of force and how far you have to pull out, as well as how your reserve handle moves after you cut away before you have to do it for real. Nice job kicking the wrong way btw. lol.
Reserve chutes are designed to open faster than usual main canopies. They're packed by experienced packers, so that you can be sure that they will open when you need them :)
for the most part it comes with experience. you learn to calm down and think a little more depending on the altitude. I was well experienced after owning that katana :) That canopy was very unpredictable, body position had to be perfect I ended up switching to a xaos 21 and never had another line twist. Xaos is by far my favorite for a high performance canopy while shooting video.
I had Huge sit-fly wings for videoing tandems. They often made for unstable openings when in a hurry to open( If the tandem opens late then the video guy opens even later). That and the fact that katanas are very unpredictable.
Probably longer then I should of, I had 2 bad cut always before this one and I was desperately trying not to chop as you can see. you can here the ditter and pro track alarms they went off while I was under the main set at 1800.
can I ask for advice? I went and wont to start taking classes. The dream is to glade more than fall so I want to wingsuit, normal stuff not close to rocks etc etc. Do schools teach u about things like this video? Do u guys have advice on does and donts? Thank u
I'm pretty sure there's no minimum requirement to wingsuiting, but the SIM (skydiving information manual) highly recommends you have a minimum of 200 jumps before trying wingsuiting.
This is true but I way rather take my chances steering my canopy away from traffic then worry about my hands getting tangled up in some insanely fast line twists. That is just my personal opinion, you are correct according to the SIM.
first thing you need to get a skydive license. after that you need to rack up a bunch of jumps if you want to wing suit. I think the minimum requirement for wing suits are 500 jumps. During that 500 jumps you want to master tracking. That the same type of flying but without the suit.
Dumb question but is there an efficient way to look at what direction the line twists are going? Had a line twist recently and chopped. Spinned a bit too fast and couldn't figure out what direction the line twist was.
Also yanking on the risers during the inflation phase of the canopy is not the best procedure, especially considering the person mentioned being relatively new to skydiving.
but if you actually read the description, the line twists wouldn't go away because he was kicking the wrong way. In his situation, pulling the reserve was the correct thing to do because the other option wasn't obvious to him soon enough..
Yeah your right, but most manufactures suggest a minimum of 500. Any wing suit school will make you have 200 logged jumps. Also, if any instructor sees a newly licensed skydiver with a wingsuit on, they should be asking questions.
I was more into high performance canopies and landings so I never got into wing suiting. You need a big canopy for all the unstable openings you have in a wing suit or you would have lots of these videos. At least I would any waY LOL
I thought the reserve would have deployed when you cut away the primary. Am I missing something? Why didn't the AAD deploy the reserve and why did you have to rely on the reserve handle? Are there some other failures here? I've just got my A-License and am interested to know. Thanks for posting this is an interesting video.
The reserve only opens automatically after chopping the main IF you have an RSL (Reserve Static Line) or a Skyhook. (look them up - you should already know this if you have your A-license) As for the AAD, that only kicks in at about 600 ft if it detects that you are still in freefall or rapid descent. As an active jumper you should be familiar with all these by now. Good luck and blue skies! :)
AAD doesnt deploy your reserve except in the case where you whistle through minimum height still going too fast. You should always pull your reserve handle. Having an A and asking this is a little disturbing.
quite interesting description - thanks! I never thought of actually practising the complete movement before each jump! Seems to be a good idea though. | About the height: Are you saying your reserve opened in just 100 feet (30 meters) after you eventually pulled the handle far enough? Is this possible - this is very little height difference for an opening. blue skies
no the lines are twisted, like when you sit on a swing and twist the chains. I was kicking my feet to untwist them but was going the wrong way making more twists. also didn't pull the reserve out far enough for a good 1000 feet.
Denny Vollmar So what protocol should one apply when a malfunction occurs? Just cut the shoot quickly and use the reserve? Also what are you supposed to do if the reserve malfunctions too?
If you have enough altitude, do what you can to get out of the situation. Landing your main parachute is the best bet. If you can't and must pull the reserve then pull your cut away handle all the way out and pull the reserve all the way out. The point of the video was you practice pulling handles before every jump for muscle memory. I was practicing short pulls for 500 jumps so when the time came the muscle memory only did a short pull , the reserve pin was still in. Also having an RSL or AAD would have pulled the reserve for me, I had neither. If your reserve fails, you're fuct. Very very rare though
thats not even a malfunction we call those line twists a nuisance...Generally never advisable to deploy reserve but at the end of the day if you felt uncomfortable with what is on top of you go reserve.
Thanks for sharing! Sacrificing your ego to help people learn from you're mistake is pretty damn cool in my book.
Thanks! I'm just starting working towards my A this weekend, so this is good to know. I did martial arts for years and we had a saying, "practice makes permanent, not perfect".
I just did Flight 101 course with Flight-1 over the weekend, and the best way to resolve a line twist apparently is to press the lines together below the twist, not pull them apart. This releases the tension and allows them to unravel much easier. This is what they teach the military.
If i ever do a cross country and get a line twist, Ill keep that in mind.
Thanks for sharing this, had line twists on my AFF1 jump. Kicked twice and watched which way the lines were going- incase I was adding more twists not clearing them- checked Alti, then kicked the rest out. There is nothing like vicarious learning, your upload may well have helped save me a reserve ride. Very glad to hear you now jump with an AAD. Blue skies.
Awesome! glad the video was helpful! I have noticed in skydiving , I have learned tremendously from other peoples unfortunate mistakes.
The same thing happened on my first jump tandem. It was not extreme enough for the instructor to cut away or anything but, I only found out after watching the video at home. It was still a remarkable experience, my first and last experience with parachuting.
My goodness you stayed so calm. Well done
Never had the 'joy' of a cutaway, but have done a dead stick landing on a microlight - probably a similarly "interesting" experience. I've only done around 25 jumps btw ( a few years ago ) but they taught us well about various malfunctions at RAF Weston-on-the-green. I had twists myself and kicked out of them. Never had a reserve ride, but kudos for sharing this. It must have been a tense moment and an interesting experience.
@vannilesoep
I was shooting video for Tandems at the time and some say if you snag a line on one of your cameras and need to chop the canopy, the RSL will pull the reserve out and entangle with the main. If you have a line snag and no RSL you can chop and try to untangle before hitting the reserve.
On the other hand, I had no excuse for jumping without a AAD.
Since that jump I have never jumped a rig without an AAD.
lol I was thinking 'wait...that's the wrong way'
Good job on not forgetting about the ground overall and getting a good chute over head. Lesson learned.
I had my cutaway on my 10th jump lol. Half the parachute got stuck in the grommet whole when the pilot chute pulled it out of it's bag. I'm sure this is a funny story you laugh about with friends these days.
Grabbing your risers on opening can bite you in the ass. If you get your fingers caught in twisted risers you will have a very bad day. And yes, seen this happen numerous times.
One of the persons in questions on top of having their fingers trapped was lacking hard housings. Lucky to have survived by just adding the reserve to the mess.
It is good practice to ask your reserve rigger, after he repack your reserve to do a test pull. They know some method how to embed a temporary pin there, so you can actually pull your reserve completelly, without reserve being activated. The rigger then put your pin back to closing loop and removes temporary pin. This is good so you know exactly how it feels to pull reserve on your rig. People are sometimes surprised how hard it is to pull it. But NEVER DO IT ALONE, without your reserve rigger supervision. You really dont want to mess with your reserve.
Higher wing loaded conopies are best not hooked up to an RSL...you have a better chance to get away from your wadded main...A LOT better! I have seen how bad a RSL is sometimes. I jump with one...I also fly a Pilot 188 loaded @1.21 Nice save brother! Gotta love & trust your rigger!
I like to, as well as several other jumpers I know, like to do a malfunction simulation at every reserve repack, where we either have our rig on standing or, even better, in a hanging harness. It's nice to get the feel on your particular rig of the amount of force and how far you have to pull out, as well as how your reserve handle moves after you cut away before you have to do it for real. Nice job kicking the wrong way btw. lol.
Reserve chutes are designed to open faster than usual main canopies. They're packed by experienced packers, so that you can be sure that they will open when you need them :)
Yeah I got it back. That canopy was a katana 107, the openings were horrible if you didn't have perfect body position.
whaddayamean ONLY 500 jumps? Have most people done more than that? :/
for the most part it comes with experience. you learn to calm down and think a little more depending on the altitude. I was well experienced after owning that katana :) That canopy was very unpredictable, body position had to be perfect I ended up switching to a xaos 21 and never had another line twist. Xaos is by far my favorite for a high performance canopy while shooting video.
Kicking the wrong way never helps! Lol.. Good job staying altitude aware!
@keeponwishin
THANKS!! lol I just started kicking, I figured I had a 50 50 chance of going the right way!
It depends if you are flying straight 20 30 on a small high wing loaded parachute, If it down planes way faster, 60mph 70 or more I would say.
I had Huge sit-fly wings for videoing tandems. They often made for unstable openings when in a hurry to open( If the tandem opens late then the video guy opens even later). That and the fact that katanas are very unpredictable.
Probably longer then I should of, I had 2 bad cut always before this one and I was desperately trying not to chop as you can see. you can here the ditter and pro track alarms they went off while I was under the main set at 1800.
can I ask for advice? I went and wont to start taking classes. The dream is to glade more than fall so I want to wingsuit, normal stuff not close to rocks etc etc. Do schools teach u about things like this video? Do u guys have advice on does and donts? Thank u
I'm pretty sure there's no minimum requirement to wingsuiting, but the SIM (skydiving information manual) highly recommends you have a minimum of 200 jumps before trying wingsuiting.
This happened to me on my first AFF lol. Fortunately i kicked the right way and didn´t need to use the emergency one. cheers
This is true but I way rather take my chances steering my canopy away from traffic then worry about my hands getting tangled up in some insanely fast line twists. That is just my personal opinion, you are correct according to the SIM.
first thing you need to get a skydive license. after that you need to rack up a bunch of jumps if you want to wing suit. I think the minimum requirement for wing suits are 500 jumps. During that 500 jumps you want to master tracking. That the same type of flying but without the suit.
i watched this video 4 times until i finally realized that he was kicking the wrong way
Yup I grab the rears on every opening:)
Dumb question but is there an efficient way to look at what direction the line twists are going? Had a line twist recently and chopped. Spinned a bit too fast and couldn't figure out what direction the line twist was.
I would've fought it like that. Didn't see too much wrong. 2 skydives, everything safe. Cool.
haha it was fully trying to unwind you too. classic
Also yanking on the risers during the inflation phase of the canopy is not the best procedure, especially considering the person mentioned being relatively new to skydiving.
but if you actually read the description, the line twists wouldn't go away because he was kicking the wrong way. In his situation, pulling the reserve was the correct thing to do because the other option wasn't obvious to him soon enough..
Not sure what you meant by your post, Explain please??
Yeah your right, but most manufactures suggest a minimum of 500. Any wing suit school will make you have 200 logged jumps. Also, if any instructor sees a newly licensed skydiver with a wingsuit on, they should be asking questions.
Jeez detaching your main and falling then pulling backup must be scary as hell.
not a scary as riding a malfunctioning main in
Got a line twist during my first static. Luckily I was able to kick out of it fairly easy.
me too mine was my second static . but training kicked in and had lines cleared under 5000ft
different class of problem on a student canopy, they should come out easily
@falco566
Thanks for the post!
Can you tell me how reserve chutes work?
I was more into high performance canopies and landings so I never got into wing suiting. You need a big canopy for all the unstable openings you have in a wing suit or you would have lots of these videos. At least I would any waY LOL
@partake
lol yeah, my skydive buddies got a good laugh!
I thought the reserve would have deployed when you cut away the primary. Am I missing something? Why didn't the AAD deploy the reserve and why did you have to rely on the reserve handle? Are there some other failures here? I've just got my A-License and am interested to know. Thanks for posting this is an interesting video.
The reserve only opens automatically after chopping the main IF you have an RSL (Reserve Static Line) or a Skyhook. (look them up - you should already know this if you have your A-license)
As for the AAD, that only kicks in at about 600 ft if it detects that you are still in freefall or rapid descent. As an active jumper you should be familiar with all these by now. Good luck and blue skies! :)
I thought all rigs had a Reserve Static Line and AADs normally fire at around 1000ft. Very interesting and thanks for filling me in.
***** Nope, I know guys who jump without RSL, SH or AAD!
***** Nope, I know guys who jump without RSL, SH or AAD!
AAD doesnt deploy your reserve except in the case where you whistle through minimum height still going too fast. You should always pull your reserve handle. Having an A and asking this is a little disturbing.
@SamuelKroell11
yeah I said that in the description
What is your motivation to jump without RSL?
quite interesting description - thanks! I never thought of actually practising the complete movement before each jump! Seems to be a good idea though. | About the height: Are you saying your reserve opened in just 100 feet (30 meters) after you eventually pulled the handle far enough? Is this possible - this is very little height difference for an opening. blue skies
OK, I have no experience with this but...Did you cut away your main chute? So, were you freefalling for a while after cutting it away?
quick question, how fast do you fall with a line twist on your chute?
not quite terminal velocity but fast enough to do some major damage . kick opposite direction and if not retrievable cut away
Got a line twist on my second static-line jump. Kinda proud that managed to fix it all by myself =]
I dont understand... What are you not meant to do? You're not meant to open the reserve when a malfunction happens?
no the lines are twisted, like when you sit on a swing and twist the chains. I was kicking my feet to untwist them but was going the wrong way making more twists. also didn't pull the reserve out far enough for a good 1000 feet.
Denny Vollmar So what protocol should one apply when a malfunction occurs? Just cut the shoot quickly and use the reserve? Also what are you supposed to do if the reserve malfunctions too?
If you have enough altitude, do what you can to get out of the situation. Landing your main parachute is the best bet.
If you can't and must pull the reserve then pull your cut away handle all the way out and pull the reserve all the way out. The point of the video was you practice pulling handles before every jump for muscle memory. I was practicing short pulls for 500 jumps so when the time came the muscle memory only did a short pull , the reserve pin was still in.
Also having an RSL or AAD would have pulled the reserve for me, I had neither.
If your reserve fails, you're fuct. Very very rare though
Yeah 500 that's still a rookie in skydiving lol
Christ, how long were you trying to kick out them before you dumped and pulled? 200 jumps, and still no mal (touch wood)!
altitude is always more important than time
yes and yes
thanks lol
Its not uncommon to see people with over 10,000 jumps ... we got a guy at a local dz here that has 15k.
thats not even a malfunction we call those line twists a nuisance...Generally never advisable to deploy reserve but at the end of the day if you felt uncomfortable with what is on top of you go reserve.
lol
@anothershad0w: review that info with an instructor. it is wrong.
@denny: also not the best advice.
Quitter;)