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- I ranked every TF2 class in order of best descending to find out which class is the worst!
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heavy’s health is probably the best thing ab him. pyro has so many play styles while heavy kinda jus feels like point and shoot and walk slow lol
With that altitude yes he absolutely is, but when you're in psychotic mood, melting enemy team with heavy as a freaking berserker is one of the best things in gaming.
The thing is, you're totally right. And I'm a heavy main. BUT the huge health is also AWESOME to damage surf. It's really hard to do and against a direct hit soldier it's useless, but against a demo or a regular soldier (or even another heavy) the fact that you can tank while flying is just so fun.
But to be honest, being able to litteraly heal your mates and getting a "thanks" everytime feels just as good.
now that i think about it, pyro is more of a "jack of all trades master of none" than soldier, he can go w+m1 as attack, keep an eye out on chokepoints as defense, and extinguish and protect teammates with airblast as support
@@Pulcheriaa tbf, i love that heavy can also act as a supporting role at times. the sandvich and banana are such awesome additions to his load out so i totally understand where ur coming from. he is a great addition to the team composition if played right. but that goes for every class, which is what makes tf2 such an amazing game
@@ilyakusenco8151 i agree i agree hitting frags with heavy is so exhilarating at times!! tracking definitely takes skill and practice so i can really respect heavy players who have amazing aim
tbh worst class is question mark i was playing it for a while and it is absolute trash
Skill issue, question mark is overpowered
@@ps-frag a man of culture I see
a big reason pyro is so weak is that his flamethrower damage ramp up is bugged and has been bugged for years. Flamethrower damage is actually *lower* the closer you are you a target (sort of, it's complicated), damage ramp up just doesn't work if your enemy is next to a wall or corner, and ramp up is reset if *a single* flame particle misses. If valve just fixed the bugs, pyro would actually be decent in his niche as a close range class.
That's explain why Flamethrower feels so weak when attacking someone up close yet seemingly turns into death machine when you are trying to escape Pyro range.
I’ve never understood why pyro was so weak compared to heavy in terms of close range. Hell, even an engie can beat him
Damn, finally someone who gets it. Thank you.
Not only due to this bug alone. There's another one when Pyro takes 3 times more self-damage from airblasted rolling grenades. Even the enemy Demo doesn't take that much damage.
This bug makes Pyro WAY weaker specifically against Demo.
It's funny how Pyro is weak only because of bugs. It's not even balance suggestions, but things that need to be fixed.
Pyro should be relatively weak, he’d be way too toxic otherwise
@@RealBroccoliHour That word doesn't mean anything anymore. You can call anyone and anything "toxic" just because you don't agree with something or someone.
A Close Range Specialist in a game where fights take place mostly at medium range being strong at close range has nothing to do with toxicity.
Your mixing of holistic gamestate and player's class role analysis with occasional brainrot slangs is strangely captivating. Nice video as usual!
@@saas6171 I try 🙏
13:27 Dude thats heavy its me lmao
I was watching Dr House while i was playing btw
We ran that shit down
Spy is to torture yourself,
Sniper is to chill and relax.
Engi is both.
a video on the super niche map specific competitive strategies would be super interesting
+1
"-Just go medic and use an uber to get to the sniper"
Immediately after shows a clip where the enemy medic ubers entering your sightline as sniper and in 8 seconds literally can not reach you before the uber wears off. A Scout or bombing Soldier could fix that, but if you're by a sentry gun than they won't be able to deal with that and you just popped an uber to not even break the sentry. Also I feel like Scout got a bit of a glaze here. Number 3 because he's better in 6s, but Sniper who is better in both Casual and Highlander got two entire points lower than him? Honestly feels like you weighted 6s HEAVILY rather than striking a balance there.
Some people think calling spy bad is a skill issue, and while that is true to an extent, spy requires so much risk. So much can go wrong that either feels out of your control or is actually out of your control (getting screwed by hit detection). Spy reminds me of grapplers in fighting games. You can get good results with them, but you will be fighting a very uphill battle trying to make those big plays.
I remember seeing a graph on the truetf2 subreddit that showed the average damage between the classes in highlander. On half the maps Demo would deal the most damage as expected but I think nearly every other map Sniper was the #1 damage dealer. I know you said Sniper is strongest in highlander but being the fifth best class seems pretty low for a class that frequently out damages demo in competitive.
He's not as versatile as Scout, Soldier, Medic, and Demo are in terms of being able to readily switch between attacking and defending, as well as comp mostly being 5cp, which Sniper isn't as good in
Ye like the other guy said he has maps where he's extremely strong in esp payload or attack/defend maps where sniper can abuse sightlines
But in dynamic situations sniper is just way too slow having no mobility the classes above him all have good mobility that they can use to adapt in any situation (with the exception off medic)
You're in a bad situation? Use your mobility to retreat. A good situation, use your mobility to push in. You see a weak target hiding behind a corner. Use your mobility to reach them.
Sniper needs some conditions to succeed and while in highlander those are easier achieved because the game is played at a slower pace at that level (for various reasons)
Theres a good reason you don't see him often in 6s
7:15 tell me you never met a good sniper without telling me you never met a good sniper
Considering this dude made this video with competitive experience, I’d say he’s met quite a few more good snipers than you have lol
@bluarrow4505 let's not forget that comp people are the reason the base jumper got nerfed. I am no longer trusting their judgment
0:00 bro why was that there, i thought it was an ad
Spy's revolver has low accuracy because its random ina certain range and basicallly has an accuracy reset timer as long at the reload and the Ambassor is different only because the damage of a headshot can offset the better option of just spamming shots for higher damage rather than effectively almost reloading every shot.
I like playing soldier a lot and that beggars+manntreads combo sounds extremely bizzare. I would love to hear an explanation of it
In the case of swiftwater 2nd, its a very difficult point to push in competitive so a lot of teams run a sack on blu. Buff your manntreads beggars soldier and half him walk thru the shutter, and he cant get airblasted or knocked back so you have a pretty good chance of getting a force or a drop. My team doesnt use this strat so IDK all the little details but thats the gist of it.
BTW scout has bonk so he can almost always fulfil his role as a distracting flank or pick class by going back and spawn camping and flanking stragglers etc. unless there's a sentry on last in which case he will struggle most of time though there is situations where the sentry is sort of usually separate from spawn (think of badwater last) you are already aware of this I'm sure I just wanted to state the nuances a bit
not always. he can't drink bonk mid-air, and when he's bonked up, he can be pushed into a deadly pit
@@humanharddrive1 Those are kind of very situational though depending on the map. Vast majority of the time enemy team will not have a smart pyro in the right place at the right time. But it can happen I suppose.
Usually you would drink bonk before the sentry nest in a safe area and the main problems you encounter are
1. Pyro airblasts you back/Enemy team chases you relentlessly especially if there's a scout [Good enemy team]
2. Hard to bypass sentry nests and get behind without running out of uber (usually because of reason #1), riding sentries knockback to blast you high behind the lines can help sometimes
I understand what you're saying though about drinking bonk mid-air. Sometimes the enemy team catches you drinking bonk and its impossible to drink it to save yourself bcuz some soldier knocks you up in the air. That's actually another good use for the bonk - saving yourself from getting trapped and killed.
Good vid. Although if it wasn't for the airblast pyro would be the worst no question.
sniper view was restart take
the problem with sniper is how linearly good he is for skill to reward, and it bypasses damage fall off and is the only hitscan to do that
Finally, in casual the game type played by 99% of all players online, has a large variety in skill makes it such that on a given game. A sniper needs to track 3-5 good players the rest are probably inconsequential.
Good videos normally but holy shit that sniper take whilst clicking heads from safety as you misinform the viewer lol
it was a very restart take, very regarded too
I was about to say. That take made me scratch my head. I feel this person must be heavily biased with comp formats. Countering sniper when you have to deal with the entire team, especially in casual servers, is much more complicated than what this guy is thinking, lol
that into had me dying lmfao great vid
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As a Heavy Main, your placement of Heavy is, sadly, painfully accurate.
If you or another teammate doesn't get an Uber push, there are just some chokes you get annihilated in, 300 HP or no. He's too slow otherwise.
You brought me a hope that spy is not worst class but you smashed it.That something I thought to argue but i have feeling that this is actually accurate list.
Pyro being a Jack of all trades is his thing. But I guess there is technically a flaw with a character like that in a team-based game where you can just swap to what character is better in that play style. He is still my favorite tho.
the biggest problem is pyro isn't good at anything he can do except support, but even then he's still outclassed by others, namely engie and medic. Soldier, scout and demo are also jack of all trades yet they're all top tier classes because they're great at everything they can do, just no the absolute best. To make it simpler, soldier, scout and demo are like students who get A's in every subject while pyro is a student who gets C's in every subject.
Pyro is not a jack of all trades. He's a dedicated close-range class with a couple gimmicks that let him poke the other trades. Flares do not let him snipe, they let him poke while retreating or ambushing
@@TheRoboKitty He can be offense, defence and support depending on your kit. Also why did you jump to sniping when talking about Pyro?
@@banana_chop2672 again he’s outclassed by way better classes no matter which role he’s played in. The only thing that’s uniquely useful for pyro is uber stuffing but even that’s not game changing by any means
@ yeah I know
Best intro ever, underrated video.
Spy and Sniper are perfect examples of underpowered and overpowered at the same basic job.
thank you faze epstein
People don't talk about how the Ambassador with any knife can kill a Sniper before they can react if they are Scoped in.
Ok, but a lot of the time sniper are protected by sentry/other team mate and in that case u just kill him then die instantly, so its Always Better to counter a sniper with another sniper
@@mr.seta00 Not necessarily, giving your life to kill a Sniper might be the best option. Especially if they are a godly Sniper that you cannot out-snipe.
Honestly I personally wouldn’t take skill issues into consideration so it’s unfair to say scout isn’t good in casual simply cuz ppl don’t know how to play him due to his high learning curve. Good scouts absolutely exist in casual and those bastards are insane. Other than that I agree with the list
Also it’s funny how overrated the dragon’s fury really is as ppl still haven’t realize how punishing that downside is. Sure reflecting single projectiles isn’t effected but it’s impossible to deny spams and uber pushes or heck, a large group of ppl coming at you. Also if you wanna right click, you better make it count or else you’ll be vulnerable for the next 1.6s. Not to mention the dps is only theoretically high if you can hit all your shots, which is hard to pull off against good players with good movements. It’s honestly one of his worst primaries against good players tho. In short, why would you sacrifice the class’s only defining feature (you even mentioned in the vid) to be a worse combat class when playing seriously
Lastly I’d put spy above pyro simply cus he’s a more potent specialist than pyro. Especially in 6s as he at the very least has a niche as a stalemate breaker. Pyro is just a bad generalist that gets outclassed in every way and even his most useful aspect (uber denying) is not necessary for a team’s success and is also very timing dependent, making it inconsistent. Spy at the very least has good potentials of making big plays. Overall my ranking will be like this:
S: Scout, Soldier, Demo, Medic
A: Sniper
B: Engie, Heavy
C: Spy, Pyro
Tbh the S-tier classes are all interchangeable due to them each being the best in one area. Scout is the best DM class, soldier is the best all-rounder, demo is the best damage dealer and medic is the most important class
I agree with everything but your take on Pyro being worse than Spy. Pyro simply applies way more pressure than Spy because of airblast. It denies a good amount of projectiles, bombing Soldiers & Demomen from blowing everyone & everything up. Also Flare Guns are Pyro's best secondary as they allow him to apply more pressure on the enemy instead of just sitting back and airblasting.
@@Thintech1 i think you're underestimating spy's uses tbh. Spy's sole existence can cause paranoia among the other team, and when the other team is constantly looking for you, they wouldn't be able to put out as much damage to your team, making it easier for your team to push through. He's also a great counter to sentries as you can sap the sentry and relay that info to your team so they can make a push as the sentry is disabled. Spy is also a good offclass-checker in 6s and most importantly, spy can have huge impact to the game if he manages to backstab an important target such as a medic or a top-performing power class. He is just overall very timing-dependent hence why he's very weak but spy at the very least has a job unlike pyro, who is just kind of there. Spy is certainly better than pyro in 6s and Wild Rumpus had made a video explaining the use cases of the offclasses in his 2nd channel (here's the link th-cam.com/video/En1T6SNtYno/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygURdGYyIDZzIG9mZmNsYXNzZXM%3D). He made some really good points regarding the use cases for spies.
Tbh in short, pyro is bad both as a full time and as a part time class, spy at the very least can be very strong if switched to out of the blue when the other team isn't expecting you. Only in Highlander spy is weaker than pyro but that has a lot to do with the issues of that game mode as it's overall very flawed since it takes class switching and modifying team compositions (2 very important aspects of tf2) out of the water.
@wtzhang586 I didn't underestimate Spy and all you're basically saying is that Spy is good because he puts fear in the enemy team and relays info. Pyro applies so much more pressure than Spy because of their in combat potential.
@ plz read, i have never once said spy is good. Spy and pyro are both bottom tier classes. I just think spy has more uses than ppl give him credits and he is in fact better than pyro in 6s, just watch that wild rumpus vid. Pyro is a terrible combat class tho, in fact in a 1v1 a spy can beat him providing he isn't caught by a pyro by surprise since the revolvers deal fat damage and have much better range
@@Thintech1 Pyro does not "Apply" pressure to on the enemy frontline, he can only DENIAL the enemy team by utilizing airblast, that's more of a defensive side not offensive, you even admitted it yourself just didn't realise it. Why isn't airblast is as offensive as you think you may ask? Because airblast can't do anything to hit scan classes, scout, heavy, sniper, engi, even a spy knows to shot his gun. Even worse airblast is not 100% denial of any projectile, at close range using airblast is solely based on prediction not reaction, means experienced soldier is almost always better at 1v1 duel with pyro, not to mention sticky spam is not countered by airblast and many other faster projectile. The only thing that makes pyro just a little bit "useful" at combat is having scorch shot, detonator or shotgun, flare gun is no where close to effective. As a pyro main I see so many ppl overestimate the potential of the flare gun, it is a flashy fancy combo loadout and it is only great against casual lower skill not awared light classes, the 90 fire crit damage is pitiful comparing to any other power class. shotgun is way more reliable at close/midrange.
Glad someone finally understands Pyro is a defense class and is meant to get kills as a result of that, except Dragon Pyro of course.
tony reference lol?; at the start btw
Strong disagree with your sniper take. Its a lot more complicated to counter sniper in casual play. You seem to be very biased with comp formats, Or just very lucky to find casual servers that have team coordination. Thats fine, but 95% of tf2 players dont play comp and a lot of them play alone too. Trying to counter a skilled sniper main alone in casual servers is an uphill battle unless you are a sniper main yourself. It shows how powerful the class can be. And while yes, spy (or even soldier) can deal with snipers. But doing so is a huge risk and commitment. Unlike sniper, who can just look at the sight line in a safe distance and pick off the opposing sniper, the most risk being the said sniper.
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9:28 what a cool hat?
that shouldnt have made me laugh
dragons fury is cool af but i feel like its still not worth it because airblast is masive, you know, you dont need to kill to get value when you have value by preventing enemy kills
Strongest sniper
Weakest heavy
Reasons range and speed + damage output
As a demo main wanna be I was contemplating if demo should be 2nd, and then realized that you are Def putting the comp ones first and scout going to be 3rd and soldier gonna be 4th.
And while I wouldn't say I fully agree I also can't say otherwise. My game experience tells me you are wrong but I can't seem to put it into words/logic it out.
Just from my experience it's something like
Medic
Engineer
Sniper
Soldier
Pyro
Heavy
Demo
Scout
And finally spy.
And that is at a high level. On average it's more like
Medic
Sniper
Soldier
Heavy
Scout
Demo
Engineer
Pyro
Spy
Yeah, even in casual those 3 are supreme pain in the ass to deal with in good hands.
Especially if you add a half-decent medic into the mix then it just shuts down the server, mostly with demo and soldier cleaning house with AOE.
@@blacklight683 scout soldier and demo are the only 3 generalist combat classes in the game that possess both high damage and mobility, which is why they’re essential in high levels. The remaining classes are all considered bad at combat mainly due to their low damage or mobility and they’re used situationally to either defend an objective or secure key picks. Of course medic is an exception cuz healing and Ubers are just important no matter where you are
In my opinion, all the classes in TF2 are almost equal and there isn't really any "best" class. It's just that some are harder to play than others.
Heavy has to be one of weakest classes. He’s big and slow and needs to stop to attack, giving him the ability to both carry the shotgun and sandvich would be such a good fix for that
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I quickly learn that there's no really "best" class in tf2, there's just good positioning and movement, but you're still right, pyro is my most played class even if im new (around 100 hours on pyro) he is really weak, like everyone say, he's tha Jack of all trade
Spy just really needs really good skill, he can kill CASUAL players, but in competitive its really hard to kill an experienced player.
your priority as spy shouldn't always be getting kills it should be disrupting the enemy team and wasting time
The problem with sniper is that his reward for being skilled is WAY too high. A topscoring sniper is already skilled, and knows how to not die to his counters. If hes already topscoring, sending a sniper after them won't work. And spy is easy to counter if you have ears or a functional team. If everyones coordinated on a team, with a sniper at an absolutely unbelievable skill level, the enemy team CANT win. Even if you kill the sniper with an uber push, oh wait, hes already back in 15> seconds.
Although sniper’s skill set isn’t the most consistent. There will be days where you can’t do anything cuz your aim is off. I’m a sniper main myself and I can relate to that and on days where your aim is off sniper is useless. But considering how deadly the class is when played at his prime, he’s objectively strong, just not as consistent than the 4 generalists. If the 4 generalists are S tier classes sniper is easily an A tier class
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10:00 ok unc
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7:17 “send a spy or sniper after them”. Spy is laughably ineffective against good snipers, and the other option is literally just the class that’s considered overpowered. You cooked with most of this video but you absolutely did not put enough thought into countering the sniper is overpowered arguments. You actually said SEND A SPY.
Then you said if they’re behind a nest, the team is supposed to destroy it to progress anyway, as if the sniper isn’t contributing to that being a very hard ask. An Uber can be hard to coordinate if a lot of decent Uber targets or the medic itself is getting merced by a sniper.
Spy needs more cloak time
why did i not think of this 😭
ppl don't play scout bc he has to pick his fights and requires a combo of good aim and movement to make use of. Scout is the second least mained class in the game because he is so difficult. In casual he is very strong but you don't see that because most players would rather go soldier and mindlessly take every fight without needing that much mechanical skill.
It’s totally soldier, you know the one that has 2nd highest health in the game, highest mobility, 2nd highest damage with good range and also having good support options with banners and also no good counters and NO pyro’s airblast doesn’t count even tho it helps it is inconsistent and guess what?!!! You can just shoot more rockets after he has reflected the first one
185 hp scout is diabolical
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While definitely not the weakest class. I've felt for a while that Heavy is the most misplaced class in the game outside Payload or maybe A/D
There isn't much he does that a sentry gun doesn't do better unless you are about to lose and have no time to build a sentry. Making Heavy as a class feel like a pure knowledge check rather than a serious power player in the match
While Spy and Pyro are weaker. They still have unique roles. Airblast being useful as a unique last defense option and Spy being good at gathering intel on the enemy team
I’m ngl, Pyro’s placement is kinda crazy. Imo, Pyro is much better than Heavy and arguably better than Engie. I think his utility is kinda priceless, specifically in Highlander, he’s like a support class in a way. Being able to keep your combo and Medic specifically alive single handedly is huge. I personally value Pyro’s overall utility much more than Heavy, who I personally think is in the “bad class” category with Spy, despite his prominence as an offclass in 6s.
the biggest issue of pyro, like he said in his vid, is that there's nothing he can do without being outclassed by a different class. Sure support is his strongest niche but he's still not the best class in this regard as medic and engie both have him beat. Denying ubers is by no means game changing and tbh in the grand scheme of things it's really not something that's completely necessary and not to mention so many things can go wrong in the process. In 6s pyro IS the weakest class, even behind spy, as spy at the very least has an okay niche which is to check for offclasses, break stalemates, gather info for the team and even back cap if the timing is good. Pyro on the other hand is only ever switched to to push ppl off of last in a last ditch effort on SOME maps. Sure, running pyro full time is a bit more viable than running heavy, engie and spy full time but considering all 4 classes are bad to run full time (well the generalists and sniper exist) and the latter 3 are much better classes as specialists due to them being good at their respective niches, pyro just quickly falls out of favor.
@ fair points. Ig I was considering Highlander too much as I still believe the value he provides there is priceless and not really considering 6s where Ik he’s practically useless. Even tho I know he’s just worse than Heavy in 6s I still can’t put him below Heavy on an overall tier list in good faith because in everything outside of 6s I’d say Pyro is far more useful.
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spy is mccree with invis change my mind
Engi is a better team based class,
Heavy is a better solo class.
Whats crazy is Sniper gets 1.5x points of headshots so he still gets as much points as Spy half the time regardless for a fraction of the risk, effort, and sacrifice.
i would love a video about niche comp strategies
13:24-13:33
This clip says otherwise.
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Pyro may be the weakest, but he is the best in my eyes because he's just trying to help. People don't deserve pyro, in fact, if I were at Valve, I'd remove pyro and make a boss that is impossible to defeat without him because this community is a bunch of-
*ahem* pyro deserves to be the strongest class purely because of his personality. Just personal preference tho
There is no such things as a good class cause you have know how to use them better. For Spy generally takes skills to play and the reason why he is the weakest of them all is because he has no mobility and biggest weakness are: *Voice Chat* once they spot you and you're dead Spy is very squishy and sometimes his backstab didn't connect when it suppose to but well can't blame the engine cause it is already old so i feel bad for Spy mains.
Sorry if my grammar sucks
Why is scout not here
3:31 what kind of mod is that for gore?
Love that conch name
I agree with everything except for scout and soldier. Both are considered generalists but scout has little use when it comes to choke points, groups and sentries while soldier is never a weak option. The only reason he is not the best is that he deals less damage and area denial than demoman, a lot less heals than medic (I mean, conch is a joke compared even to the crossbow) and cannot make people temporarly immortal (Batalion's Backup is great but it is still no match for a stock Uber)
@@n4m3n4m3s0n the fact they’re generalists already puts them towards the top. Sure scout gets countered by sentries and is bad at chokes but for the vast majority of time he’s amazing (also most classes are bad against groups aside from the demo and soldier so it’s honestly too high of a standard). I do agree their placements should swap but they’ll both be within the top 4.
@@wtzhang586 Yes, I agree.
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can you make a seperate viceo on the ranking of theese classes on casual
All of them.
Sniper is just unbalanced regardless. Even in 1v1s or 6s when theres arguments hes not overpowered then Wild Rumpus is right in that hes just lame and unfun to play against, which goes against a main point of having fun in the game in the first place.
tf was that intro
Very good production quality for a low view video 👍
I'd definitely argue Scout isn't as good as you say. In most casual modes, he's near worthless unless the teams are horribly unbalanced, in which case, any class would dominate. He's only viable in 5CP due to how weak Engineer is in that mode. Even in KOTH, Gunslinger Engineers can shut him down easily while still providing most other utilities to their team at full capacity. I'd argue both Heavy and Engineer are better than Scout. Engineer provides so much utility that is incredibly difficult to counter when there's a wall of teammates or Engineer stacking, which no competitive mode has to balance around. Heavy is probably the strongest class in practice, I never see Medics flock to a class like Heavy, so whether it's objective or not he forces players to pick Medic when they otherwise wouldn't. He has insane DPS and, especially when stacked on Payload with one or two Vaccinator Medics, is incredibly difficult to push. I do think him being countered by Sniper keeps him from being truly overpowered but stacking heavies slows Sniper gameplay to a crawl and makes his positioning more static because he has to focus multiple 450 HP tanks shredding his combat classes with focus fire. Heavy is the easiest class to punish other players' mistakes with and requires a lot more coordination to take out than he takes to play. The same could be said for Engineer but he's far more map dependent, especially in how maps dictate which classes are best. I'd argue he's situationally better than Sniper in some cases, although TF2 players who've never played another FPS would beg to differ.
i think you have a major skill issue. When everyone is at an equal skill, scout is stronger and stronger the higher the overall skill of the lobby is due to him having a high skill floor and a high skill ceiling. The only reason why he's "weak" in low skill lobbies is simply cuz his skill floor is very high (2nd highest in the game in fact only below spy) and he is very beginner unfriendly unlike classes like pyro and heavy. A good scout will beat basically everyone in a straightforward DM yet a bad scout will lose to everything even if his opponents are also bad due to his high skill floor and high skill ceiling. The most powerful thing about scout is how flexible he is and his insane ability to pick his fight. Sure he seemingly gets shut down by level 3 engies but he can play around it by taking alternative flank routes or go in as your team is distracting the sentry. Also he kinda needs to be countered by something as quite frankly he would be op if he doesn't have any counters. Scout is only objectively bad on maps that are basically body-molding corridors or if you're playing one of those 100 players meme servers but that's more the fault of the map or the game mode. In vast majority of the situations he's a top tier class due to him having both good damage and good mobility. I would personally swap his placement with soldier's placement in the vid so he's no 4 and soldier is no 3 but no way in hell he's worse than engie and heavy due to scout is a much more flexible and universally applicable class.
skill issue, 2x capture and high damage
@ I think you're also ignoring that sixes Scouts are generally overhealed and are even stronger now that meds can pocket/uber them. You're telling me if the enemy team is stacking Engineers, Natasha Heavies, Vaccinator Medics, etc. that scout is still equally viable? Even if he's playing with a good team, he'd be near the bottom for heal priority. I also wouldn't argue he has the second highest skill floor but sure
@ stacking engies, heavies and vax medics makes it hard for anyone, not just scout so that argument is invalid. And no, that does not make heavy and engie good classes since stacking them is only good on defense (preferably on a chokey map) as on offense, sure you can keep the defenders back but you aren’t gonna win games either as engie and heavy are just too slow to make meaningful pushes. Also it’s just stupid calling a class bad if that class is only unviable in 10% of situations while being a top tier class in the other 90%. Engie and heavy are way more situational since the only thing they’re truly good at are stationary defense and plz listen to the video: he mentioned in a game where everyone is moving quickly, being slow, bulky and setup oriented is a major downside. Lastly you vastly underestimated the power of a scout uber, if you ask me scout uber is much better than heavy uber as its viable on both offense and defense while heavy uber only works okay on defense against bad players (see his previous vid regarding class roles)
@@wtzhang586 stacking heavy on offense, especially payload, is also strong. And Engineer is invaluable on offense payload and control points, plus if he creates a fallback nest it can still slow the pace of the game down and shut down scouts. In practice, Scout is not strong and needs the rule sets of sixes and highlander to be viable. I agree Scout ubers are incredibly powerful and Heavy is an overrated recipient, but Scouts often under perform despite their skill and don't put trust in medics to heal therm, especially when the Vaccinator is generally used more defensively. And my point is that Heavy and Engineer, in practice with unrestricted class limits and no weapon bans, slow down the pace of the game, which Scout is reliant on. They're weaker in modes like 5CP and KOTH, which is where Scout shines, but they can still be used in those modes and slow down a Scout and the whole game state. I don't think you acknowledge how much easier it is for an uncoordinated team of Engineers, Heavies, and Vaccinator Medics to shut down a lobby than it is for an Uber Scout to punch through. Playing Scout against that is essentially the same as being the third Sniper or Spy.
17:53 what's the name of this song ?
Based intro
3:00 song?
if you dont think its spy you might be stupid
What’s up sigmas
i'm going insane bruh when i was younger i used to play this one mobile game with different chapters with bosses (?) and then a random gacha (pull system) and it was my favorite game does anybody know the whereabouts of this (btw one set of armor i'm pretty sure was legendary dragon armor)
i love videos tha i had an idea of
@@kartonka_73 just take the microchip out of your brain, that’s where I’m getting them from
Is all the backround footage yours?
yes
@TooruJJ ight thx
Random ass tictok clip "don't care" goes HARD!!!!
Spy is probably going to be underrated, he counters teleporters - strongest engineer's ability. Spy also can kill medic and heavies. And also spy forces to spycheck constantly.
That first second viewer retention tactic made me dislike
19:20 i want
Tony
the intro killed me man, i actually lmao'd irl. absolute sigma move, like + sub just for that.
I would've loved if you went into more detail about Spy's role in competitive like you did the other 9 classes.
I've heard that a lot of top-level Highlander players consider Spy more powerful and influential than Pyro or even Engineer because of how good the Spy players are at that level and how all of his tools can be used to their highest potential (info gathering, sappers disabling sentries, the revolver's ability to kill enemies at low health, etc)
spy is certainly stronger than pyro in 6s due to spy can be very useful as a stalemate breaker, offclass checker, sentry sapper and even a back capper if done right and he is viable on both even uber and disad when used at the right time. Pyro in 6s is only ever used to push ppl off of certain lasts in emergency situations and outside of that he gets outclassed in every way. In HL they're both at the bottom but yeah spy does have higher highs and lower lows than pyro.
Scout is weakest (only 125 hp and primary weapon is shotgun) Medic is strongest (overheal, heal, crossbow's arrow, ubers)
primitive thinking
@codenameh27 Good enough thinking. I do not think that anyone honestly think that having scout in the team is better than having soldier, heavy, or other power classes instead.
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I like the idea of Sniper being able to only two tap enemies, at least at range, to separate waiting for lucky shots charged shots and headshots from the skill for a quick followup shot and maybe headshots should all either be minicrits OR be the same crit of extemely low base damage falloff.
Id ratger have Sniper be as hard as Spy than in his current state.
My personal ranking, as a casual solo player, for the 9 classes are:
1. Demo: the carry class
2. Soldier: carry class number 2
3. Heavy: New player shredder but needs good positioning
4.Pyro: All around good class that will keep you alive and active
5. Engineer: Can carry games but nobody cares and barely can protect himself
6. Scout: kinda medicore and needs Bonk in big battles
7. Sniper: OP in large battles at range, but sucks alone unless you quick scope or melee crit
8. Medic: New player trap number 2 cause no one will protect you and you cant save your team faster than they will throw.
9. Spy: the New player trap, but cool
Pyro is worse then heavy💀?
yea
Heavy at the very least has a niche that he’s actually good in (defending last) and is a good Strat when your team is being pushed back. Pyro is kinda just there and isn’t good at anything. Sure he has more playstyles than heavy but only one (support) is viable against good players and even then he still gets outclassed by medic and engie and stuffing Ubers is super timing dependent and is by no means game breaking
heavy destroys casual games and has useful nieches in competitive mods he definetly is better than pyro
@@svr1488-u1h honestly I don’t like to use casual performance as a baseline for class strength. Spy destroys casual games too yet no one says he’s good, yet ppl don’t say the same for heavy or pyro (which are both skill-check classes too like spy) either all 3 are bad classes or none of them is bad, stop the double standards. But yes, the fact that heavy at the very least has a good niche even against good players makes him better than pyro
If you're talking about which class is more useful, then yea heavy is usually more useful to his team, he's just too slow. But I hate heavy more as a class design, he's more braindead than a WM1 pyro
Almost made me click off at the beginning, also great video.
00:00 is this inspired by the chinese guy that sells LED
no way you put heavy above pyro bruh
@@bananawarior5495 heavy at the very least has a good niche when it comes to defending last and it’s a smart idea to switch to him if your team is being pushed back (very common Strat in 6s). Pyro is really just there and basically everything he can do is done much better by someone else. The only thing that’s uniquely useful the pyro can do is stuffing Ubers but even then it’s super timing dependent and situational and by no means game winning as so many things can still go wrong.
@@bananawarior5495 although if you’re talking about how much fun you have playing each class heavy will probably be at the very bottom as he’s objectively a very linear and boring class
@wtzhang586 ye for sure heavy is more useful on last most of the times.but i believe that pyro is on the verge of being a viable full time offclass considering he has more speed than heavy and unique mechanics that will force the enemy to adapt.
@ no he would be a horrible full time off class mainly cuz he’ll be a worse version of basically everyone else. He’ll get trashed by scout and demo and even against soldier, the match up is still not positive as he’s the reactive one in the match up and the soldier has more controls. Pyro is pretty much the weakest class in 6s cuz he’s bad both as a full time and part time class. If I were to play an off class full time in 6s it’ll be sniper as his only real weakness is a lack of mobility but his range partially negates it. In fact full time sniper is viable in KOTH
@ ok its still better than heavy tho which is my point
Aye what hud is that