I do want Pattison to be part of the DCU, he’s already a had a great film which the public made financially and critically successful, as well, it would mean perhaps actually seeing the robins grow up (there are of course work around for the robins if James Gunn wants to get to Damian).
It wouldn't work because they're doing Teen Titans which means they're already going to be an older Dick Grayson and an established Batfamily. They're already working on Titans movies so this just wouldn't work for so many reasons
Anyone that says that The Batman is too realistic to be in a fantastical setting baffle me even though Arrow started of grounded and introduced THE FLASH and it was amazing while it still was good to watch
The Arrowverse was always held back by budget and the Teen soap opera CW writing. Honestly, I would've rather had a good Flash movie than 9 crappy seasons of the Flash show. They were OK, but nothing amazing. And with Green Arrow, they just essentially turned him into Batman.
@@chemostar2361 Problem with that is that Batman isn't a street level character. He's a big player in the DC universe. His world is so large. It's not just him. By taking away parts of his world that are campier, you limit the character severly. You take away his ability to interact with the wider universe. You take away the fun. What you're left with isn't the character, but only merely 1 aspect of the character. I'd much rather see them bring multiple aspects and elements together. That's much more impressive.
Proves your stupid for Arrow is a trash show and all the other garbage shows were still stupid grounded realistic and don't compare trash CW shows to Movies.
iron man started off fighting a guy in a bigger metal suit, years go by and he’s fighting a purple alien. pattinson batman CAN exist in a world with james gunn other powered characters. it just takes time. Batman and Superman, Metropolis and Gotham work well together because of the different tones. and also, The Batman movie had SUCH a great interpretation of the character i don’t even know how we can have another batman that holds a candle, just having him wear blue and have more bright colors feels like a cop out. I feel like pattinson can exist and become the batman that joins the justice league if done right.
There's the factor of tone. The overall tone of Matt Reeves' Batverse simply does not fit. There's no logical way to include Pattinson's Batman and the world that surrounds him into the DCU without completely changing the tone of the character and compromising everything Matt Reeves has done.
@@Ben-zg8xkthat’s why give “The Batman” a trilogy before they tie him in to anything else. Build him up, maybe even do a time skip before they do a justice league movie
@@ojmcclanahan689 i agree with what the other sides perspective but literally if u pick up a batman and superman comic they’re vastly different. batman can be fighting serial killers on a murder spree with no gimmicks and then superman can be fighting lobo and the parasite but there still in the same world literally a few cities away.
yeah, I remember when the batman released and everyone was like "please let it be his own thing, Reaves doesnt need a DCU" even Reaves and Gunn were saying "yeah we're in different universes dont worry" and everyone was chearing for that, but now they want the batman in the DCU?
@@artist0154 Yeah it's fucking stupid. Especially when the opportunity to have a grounded Batman possibly raising Dick Grayson, at the same time as a fantastical Batman with an established Batfamily, sounds fantastic. Best of both worlds.
Thing is, we're losing arguably the BEST and most accurate Batman we've seen so far, for the chance of a new one that is and will be a mystery until we see the brave and the bold.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Losing? They're still making a sequel and spin off show. We ain't losin shit. We're far past the point where audiences get confused cause there's 2 different Batmen in seperate franchises.
@@KhaosKontroller what I meant was that they're missing out on having such a good Batman be gatekeeped out of being the definitive version for a DC Universe.
I think that were past the point where the audience is going to be confused like dcu Batmans title is '' The Brave and the Bold'' and Matt reeves Batman is just ''The Batman'' and the sequel is just going to be titled ''The Batman Part 2'' like im like 99% the audience isnt gonna be confused
maybe but i’ve spoken to multiple casual fans of these movies and they think it’s dumb to have 2 batman’s at the same time AGAIN regardless of the tone.
@@samshughart3479I hate to be a dick but in my personal opinion I’d say fk them casuals 😭 having to water down a character, movie or let alone an entire universe (bringing Robert Pattinson’s Batman would be”watering down” & more so hurting the new DCU as it’s not the right vibe for the universe in my opinion) just because the casuals that otherwise wouldn’t contribute, take interest in , or even take the time to become knowledgeable enough to know how the characters should be portrayed is a slap in the face to the true fans. I understand the money aspect but it rlly just sucks imo.
I remember when they played a teaser in the theater for Amazing Spiderman. A guy in the theater said "I've seen this one already." They will be confused. My stepsister thinks Green Lantern is in Marvel. Normies don't get this stuff.
I honestly think "The Batman" should be incorporated into the DCU coz I've never seen a batman evolve from threats like the riddler to threats like Darkseid in live action and it would be interesting to see that play out, building Batman from the ground up
@@TheJusDon Yeah No sh*t smarta$$. That's literally the whole point of why I wrote this comment. Because not only did this guy not know about Metropolis existing in the Reevesverse, but because not all DC properties have a background interconnected universe behind them like the Nolanverse🤦
@@TheJusDonThat's not how the multiverse works. Alternate realities have alternate outcomes. Metropolis could've not existed in this universe while Gotham does. Don't be a smart ass when you're not even smart.
I think Robert Pattinson should definitely be the dcu Batman since he’s my favorite Batman actor because it wouldn’t make sense for their to be 2 Batman actors at once
What’s wrong with having some heroes debut before Batman? I know it makes more sense to have him be the first and be like “Masked Vigilantes before Metahumans”, but why not shake things up to be different, and have him be like second or third on the scene?
@@shareefa6971Grounded batman a bit overused. Affleck as a batman was between grounded and fantastic. If they can build another batman like that who's between the two then it would have been very good. An older batman with things behind show with hard flashbacks can be a perfect thing.
@@matekiraly46 I am sorry. I myself would also prefer a fantastical batman over a grounded one for DCU. Along with that, it has to be distinct from matt reeve's Batman movies . Also, i love robin and would love to see him in a good live-action movie. English is not my 1st language.I really did not mean to be sarcastic.I actually don't want it to be another grounded take on the character. I hope you've understood.
@@andresvilhjalmsson2903 Y’all are saying, “oh it’s simple to take Matt reeves Batman and put him in the dcu”, but forget that it’s not what Him no Robert want. If James Gunn were to put them in the dcu, it wouldn’t even start because as James said in the past Matt declined that move. He doesn’t want his Batman in the dcu. And Robert only in his version of Batman because he respects his work. So if James Gunn were to say “either you cancel your universe or join ours” Matt would just choose the first option.
I hope Batman becomes a part of the universe. We don't need an old Batman and a young Superman. We need a young Batman and a young Superman. I hope that Damian will not be Robin, but Dick Grayson will be.
These two universes exist in very different worlds: The Batman is a dark purely realistic portrayal of the iconic caped crusader, while the DCU leans into several different tones but exist in a different world where all these tones can tie together to make a greater whole. To put Patterson's universe in the DCU would be to ruin the depiction both he and Matt Reeves are trying to create, not because of the tone not fitting-but because the worlds THEMSELVES don't fit. Sure, a piece from a different puzzle CAN FIT-but not without taking away from that other puzzle the piece originated from.
and you sir have just proved you are a casually and a movie watcher you dont know the comics if you did you would know that what makes it so good the different worlds they live in just like in the batman the animated series and superman there was two different worlds that look nothing alike but when they got together none of that mattered
@@amaarirving902 Except he’s right. All you did was prove you are a casual moviegoer. Forgetting about comics for a second, the reason Matt Reeves’ The Batman was such a critical success is that it was a well written crime thriller with a backdrop of a CBM rather than a CBM movie first. I mean the movie so clearly takes heavy inspiration from David Fincher’s Se7en. Any movie in James Gunn’s DCU will have to be a CBM first as that is what is going to connect them all, and as a matter of fact is what Gunn himself said he is going for as he wants to lean into the fantastical. Putting Matt Reeves' Batman into such a universe will be such a dramatic change from quite literally everything they built in the first film and with The Penguin that at that point there is literally no reason to not just make a different version of the character.
@@amaarirving902 Now to talk about comics since y’all love to bring up the fact that Metropolis and Gotham have two different tones and moods, you are right they do have different moods. Gotham is much more dark and gritty compared to Metropolis. However, fantastical elements exist in both and that is ultimately what connects them to the larger universe that is DC. Seems like whenever y’all make this talking point about how Gotham is darker and grittier than Metropolis you automatically think it means Gotham is grounded. Gotham is more grounded than Metropolis, but generally speaking it’s not grounded at all. Characters like Poison Ivy, Clay-face, Killer Croc, etc exist. Even characters that don’t have supernatural abilities but have super human like strength and combat ability wouldn’t fit in Matt Reeves’ universe and that’s including a comic accurate Batman. I’ll say it again, Matt Reeves’ Batman film is a traditional crime thriller disguised as a Batman film, and does not at all fit into a cinematic universe that aims to adapt DC comics into live action.
@@donbebe6092 you must have frogot in all medias of batman first year sbeing batman is was always grounded he didnt go agaisnt croc and grundy till later on he always is grounded fighting falcon mob bosses before anything thats what his whole point was go read batman year one
@@amaarirving902 This doesn’t change anything of what I said. Read my second comment again. Even non-fantastical elements of comic Gotham and Batman do not fit with Matt Reeves’ portrayal. Bruce being an elite martial artist for example wouldn’t fit, which he’s already supposed to be by year 1. Matt Reeves’ Batman trilogy is supposed to a story about deeply rooted corruption with the genre being crime thriller. Really besides the detective aspect, no other aspect of Batman fits into the story. Gotham and its associated characters including Batman really only serve as the backdrop. You can tell the same story through a regular film.
Look, I'm an actor and I do a lot of film study, The Batman doesn't fit the tone that James Gunn is setting for the DCU. As much as I would love it to be a part of it, you can't just change the tone of a beloved movie to fit a universe it was never meant to fit into. Yeah, Batman is darker but the DCU seems to me like they're trying to pull directly from the comics, The Batman doesn't do that, it's more of a conceptual kind of Batman, it really is an elseworlds story
I get what you’re saying but also the comics these are based on are constantly having tone changes to the characters and most cinematic universe have a tone change in them anyway
I dont think itll confise general audiences to be honest. If the tones / looks are different and The DCU Batman had the Bat Family etc it just wont be confusing imo
2019 - Bruce returns to Gotham and becomes Batman. A few months later, Clark becomes Superman, and over time, the rest of the superheroes. 2020 - Iconic villains like the Joker appear this year. 2021 - The first Batman film takes place. A few months later, in the same year, Bruce adopts Dick, who soon becomes Robin. 2022 - Barbara becomes Batgirl, Kara becomes Supergirl. 2023 - Dick becomes Nightwing, Jason becomes Robin, but a couple of months later the Joker shoots Barbara and kills Jason. 2024 - Tim reveals Batman's identity and becomes the new Robin. Barbara becomes the Oracle. 2025 - Superman Legacy takes place and Cassandra becomes Batgirl. 2026 - Batman the Brave and the Bold takes place.
i am honestly fine whatever they choose to do with Batman, i am curious tho if James Gunn and Matt Reeves r waiting for the Penguin to see how it’s received before making any decisions. there’s been no news on Brave and the Bold, not that that means they’re not working on it, but there’s at least been a handful of rumors for other projects. so to me, it makes sense that they might wait to see the audience reception of the Penguin and then Matt and James might go back to the drawing board
I need a fresh Batman. Battinson belongs in DC's Elseworlds division with Joker since he is not part of the DCU. Even Matt Reeves prefers to be separate. My pick is Zane Holtz for the DCU Batman. DCU audiences are more than intelligent enough to understand the two Batmen. Especially when the films would be labeled differently to bring separation.
The Batverse movies are all prequels following the DCU's Batman in his earliest years. That's how you can tell way more grounded and dark stories, because as Batman grows older, he deals with enemies that are more asnd more fantastical. That's why I i think they were originally planning to release the Arkham show in the DCU before it was cancelled.
While i wouldve preferred it if Battinson was made into the main DCU Batman, im open to seeing two different interpretations on screen at the same time, as long as its done right.
unfortunatly an iphotetycal time skip would be needed for the batman to join the new universe , for growning of both his batfamily and the general number of superheroes around , i don t see that happening
Glad I’m not alone in thinking this. As much as I love seeing “the Batman” being its own thing , there’s also a part that would’ve loved to see that movie and its universe be one of the starting points for James gunns dc universe.
I love the fact of 2 separate Batmans. It's just more Batman content for us. One in a very gritty and grounded take on the character and one far more comic accurate. And I think for casual viewers if it confuses them that much then I think they would just look it up and be able to find the answers to their questions.
For me it doesn't fit. The universe of The Batman is more realistic, dark and down-to-earth, while the DCEU would be more comical, fictional and fantasy. The ideal way would be to have two types of Batman on screen, one with a more realistic and dark feel for a more adult audience (The Batman) and another more comical and fictional for a younger and family friendly audience (DCEU). Two different universes for different audiences. Now if James Gunn decides to put Robert Pattinson's Batman in the DCEU, it will break the entire realistic environment of the first film. It would be like taking Joaquin Phoenix's Joker and throwing it into the Snyderverse with Superman, Aquamen, Flash... it just doesn't fit, it's another style of film, script and direction, a totally different universe from the other. The Batman is like those darker and more realistic Batman comics, it's for a more mature and cult audience and it's perfect like that.
This is the same problem the New 52 had lol. The 5 years thing is super weird to try and wrap your head around.... I could get behind it. But I would enjoy it more if the DCU's story had its own Bats
This is just my opinion, but regardless, if they keep some of the actors, I think the DCU should just start a clean slate. The suicide squad was a fun film, but it’s too strongly connected to the original DCU for the timeline to work with completely newinterpretations of the league
Good thing I watched this video, because I was on board with them changing their mind and making The Batman cannon. But this video changed my mind so hard
Fans want Battinson in the DCU but fail to realize why it wouldn't work. Reeves wants more realistic approach, James doesn't. Not to mention we're getting Titans in DCU. So already that doesn't work.
@@sup3414 Y’all are saying, “oh it’s simple to take Matt reeves Batman and put him in the dcu”, but forget that it’s not what Him no Robert want. If James Gunn were to put them in the dcu, it wouldn’t even start because as James said in the past Matt declined that move. He doesn’t want his Batman in the dcu. And Robert only in is his version of Batman because he respects his work. So if James Gunn were to say “either you cancel your universe or join ours” Matt would just choose the first option.
@@sup3414 Yes in COMPARISON except the DCU Batman is more likely to fight Dracula, Manbat Poison Ivy, or having a Satanic Cult storyline versus Reeves want Batman to be more grounded in his take of the villains. Comic Batman and Reeves' Batman are not the same level of "realism..."
As much as I liked The Batman, I still think it has some problems, and wish the Batmobile design and location of Wayne Manor were different. Even if it doesn’t become canon, we can still see both Batmen fighting grounded and fantastical villains.
I’m sorry, I know I’m nit picking, but it’s Batman isn’t necessarily a person, but he’s more supposed to be a symbol that criminals fear, and people can feel hope, therefore it would would batmans, and not batmen.
For the Flash in this DCU timeline, I’d actually love if Barry is an older member of the League and acts as a mentor for the other heroes. Then, when he dies in whatever crisis happens, Wally takes up the mantle and the roles are reversed with Wally learning from the League.
It’s what I would want more superhero movies to be like, separate superhero movies should be ALLOWED to feel different in tone and even genre but still exist in the same universe. Let Blade be an action horror while Guardians is a space opera, Hulk is either a monster movie or psycho drama, and so on and so forth.
No. It would be much better to have Pattinson in his own universe. Reeves is cooking and I don’t want him to be tied down by the continuity of a larger cinematic universe. He’s got his own universe and it’s great that he can have his vision fully realized in his own self contained universe without any studio interference, rather than have to change things around to fit with other movies and shows. While it would be cool to see Pattinson and Corenswet on screen together, Matt wants to tell a more grounded and serious story, whereas Gunn is creating a more wacky and fantastical story.
The Batman will never work in the DCU. Matt Reeves will never go for it. Him and Pattinson will leave like Burton and Keaton not wanting to be apart of Gunn's DCU.
That makes no sense. It was never Matt Reeves intention to put The Batman in a more comic book world. He wanted it to be grounded and realistic. Meaning Metropolis might exist, but there's no Superman because that's not what Reeves is going for.
What “EGO”💀? They both respect each other, and James Gunn has already approached the idea. And Matt declined, instead of canceling his universe he welcomed it as an elseworld.
I really want this because I personally think that Robert Pattinson is perfect as Batman. They can easily say put Robert Pattinson in the DCU and simply not connect it to The Batman just as they're doing with Peacemaker Season 1 going into season 2. Easy. Matt Reeves' and Gunns's past comments about this Batman being standalone would still be true
0:59 for the DCU batsuit, they should give it that classic vibe. But of course take the iconic designs from the comics. Like they did with the DCU Superman suit.
Gunn asked Reeves if he was interested in merging the two but reeves didn’t want his story to be held back by having to be shared with other writers projects and Gunn respected that
1:13 Oh please ENOUGH with that rherotic. No, it won't. Pattinson is clearly labeled as an ELSEWORLDS while DCU Batman is main canon. What's so hard to comprehend about labels?
i always said these two should be in the same universe, batman can still be grounded that’s what makes him different and contrast against the fantasy elements
If they wanted to do Mr freeze for the Batman part 2 (they may do it) I think they could use the Batman to build the DCU. Implementing more fantastical elements ain’t a bad idea and having Superman exist in the same world but having a different tone is fine. But I don’t mind two different cinematic universes as long as they’re good. Especially if we get more grounded and edgy Batman and a more goofy, swashbuckling and epic JL founding member Batman
Tbh, I was kinda hyped to see this video pop up in my feed because I’ve been toying with the idea of bringing Battinson into the DCU. He’s great and I really want to see where his story goes and how he might tie in with a larger universe. But after watching this video, I’m certain that they should remain separate. The gymnastics required to fit all of the proposed stories into a coherent timeline oddly makes the timeline rather incoherent. The set up leading to Superman and eventually The Brave and The Bold requires more than 5 years. Harley and Joker already killed Jason according to the loose canon of the Suicide Squad, yet The Batman hasn’t even trained his first Robin(and while we all assume The Batman Part II will introduce Dick Grayson, there’s no way to be sure). By 2026, we might not even have Dick Grayson, yet The Brave and The Bold is supposed to introduce Damian? The Robins really screw this idea up imo. Then you factor in all of the other existing heroes and storylines and I think it only makes sense for Batman to be a well experienced veteran with a pre established Bat-family. Hate to say it and really I’m glad that someone decided to dedicate time and effort towards making a video for this scenario, but I just don’t think it works. If The Batman was releasing sequels every other year and had a 10 year head start on Superman, it would make sense, but condensing it all down to around 5 years is just begging to skip over a lot of what Gunn has already planned for the new universe. To make the two truly mesh, it would require retcons on both sides and I don’t want to do that. Plus, it would be stealing a live action Batman from us when we could have two. Like another commenter suggested, I think it would honestly make *more* sense if you paired The Batman with The Joker, than it would be to shoehorn The Batman into The Brave and The Bold. Just my two cents. Thanks for the video though.
a few points I'd like to make, the batman is not part of the DCU because Gunn wants it that way, but because Matt reeves wants it that way, he said that he didn't want to be tied down to a universe, but be able to make his batman how he wants. second, peacemaker season one and I would believe the suicide squad are not canon to the DCU, but peacemaker season two is. lastly, blue beetle (the movie) is not canon to the DCU, but the actor who plays him will continue to play him in the DCU.
I prefer what's actually happening, and only because The Batman very gritty and realistic. If James Gunn was planning from the beginning to incorporate this version of Batman into the larger DCU, then he would've worked around it and made his reboot less like it actually is.
I just don't think it works. People forget that movies and comics are quite different in presentation. There's the factor of tone, and the tone of Matt Reeves' Batverse doesn't esthetically fit anything we've seen from the DCU so far. It also doesn't fit from a narrative standpoint. James Gunn has said that Batman would have the Bat Family, so if we're gonna have a Batman with a Bat Family and Damian Wayne as Robin, we gotta have a Bruce Wayne that's at least 41 years old. There's no reason to compromise the history and backstories of beloved characters just for the sake of having a younger actor play Batman.
Honestly think the Batman should be a Max exclusive release going forward and the DCU Batman should get the main stage. Pattinson is a great Batman but the tone doesn’t seem vibrant enough to build a vibrant cinematic universe
If you want bring someone back , bring Affleck, hes old, suitable for a shared universe as hes the strongest, dont bring the same one from dceu but a variant in the new dcu who is pretty much the same
At the end of the day, I don't want to have to wait 10+ years in order to have the batfamily established and my favourite characters introduced properly in live action.
This might be crazy, but what if Pattinson gets casted as the DCU Batman while he does his Reevesverse trilogy? Same actor doing two different versions of the exact same character, one a bit older with a son and the other a younger vigilante finding his footing. A kin to James McAvoy playing vastly different Charles Xavier's each movie while they're the same core character. And hell, we've gone through a world where Sean Connery popped up out of nowhere with Never Say Never Again in the midst of Roger Moore and Timothy Darlton. This could be done.
PLEASE do this James. PLEASE do this Matt. I want to see Dick Grayson as Robin in the batman 2, I need to see him leave Bruce and then lead the Teen Titans. I want them to wait til a second or third Titans film before he becomes Nightwing. We should see the bat family grow,not be told the aftermath. We should see batman and superman grow as hero's together, and not have another older and seasoned batman and fairly new superman.
I think the cleanest and best option is just to make The Barman universe canon to the DCU, scape the Brave and the Bold/Teen Titians plans and let the bat family grow naturally over the 10 year plan, recon Peacemaker to not be on a squad with Harley (or scrape season 2 which it's too late for), and dismiss the Blue Beetle movie while keeping the actor like they are with others. My biggest problem with the DCU so far is that they're keeping some stuff from the old canon which is causing this mess. Should've just started from scratch with The Batman and Superman(2025).
As much as I love the idea of keeping the reeves verse separate … it’s not the worst idea to retroactively make the Batman the first movie in the DCU. But I’m happy with whatever way they choose to do it as long as there still is more Battinson in the future. Cause if they choose to completely replace reeves Batman instead of making separate stories, that’s a missed opportunity imho
Well when it is good idea of Pattinson to be dcu batman but I don't imagine him like someone that have 3 Robin's 2/3 Batgirl and has been active for over a decade he still gives me pretty year one /two batman vibes
I'd love to see the batman in the DCU but only after his trilogy...In the mean time let them make other solo movies for the other Justice league members....
With The Suicide Squad being heavily correlated to the original, event sharing some of the same actors, we could probably disqualify that from the timeline
I honestly prefer for The Batman universe to NOT be in the DCU. I really prefer for him to be grounded, dark and griddy and not see him fight some CGI aliens with the help of another alien wearing red boxers on top of a blue spandex suit with a big ass S in the middle of it...
I think they should keep them separate. The Batman will no doubt be a trilogy so they could have them come out every three or four years stretching out the story plus it would sort of match the tone of The Batman universe. Then have multiple consistent DCU projects releasing in-between, I think this would create a difference between the two universes. DCU being populated with different characters and relapsing constantly like the early MCU did and then The Batman Part 2 and 3 be released every few years.
Matt Reeves' intention with the Batman was to be grounded and realistic. He doesn't want a more comic book looking world. No campiness. It's a big reason i didn't like the movie. I'm honestly kind of tired of them making everything realistic. I'd like there to be a proper balance between being grounded and campy, sor of like the Raimi Spiderman films. Making it part of the DCU goes against Reeves' vision for the character. It doesn't make sense because it doesn't fit. It would be like trying to put the Nolan movies in a universe with super powered beings. That wasn't the intention for Nolan.
I really hope battison is left to do his own thing. You cant reboot a universe while keeping all your favourite things that just feeld cheap. Im personally really to excited to see what James gunn is playing for batman :)
Speaking of Batman, Do you think Richard Madden should play Batman, Jason Statham should play Alfred Pennyworth, Leo Howard should play Nightwing and Gordon Cormier should play Damian Wayne Robin in James Gunn DC projects in the DCU?
Here’s another way the Batman could fit into The dcu. The Batman part 1 and 2 are soft canon within the dcu brave and the bold. Example u could have a situation in brave and the bold where Batman is talking to Damian and tells him, “u know I remember 15 years ago I faced the riddler here and he flooded all of Gotham”. Essentially the dcu Batman and the reeves Batman are still different Batman but the dcu Batman still went through similar events that the reeves Batman went through in the Batman part 1 and 2
I think Batman should be referenced too in Superman. Like somebody says a flying man with super strength & shoots lasers out of his eyes is even more dangerous than that nut who fights other nuts in Gotham, something like that. Bruce Wayne/Batman need's to be formally introduced in his own movie.
Your missing a crucial element, some of these heroes have been around for decades(like JSA etc), so Hal Jordan will be in his late 40s and John Stewart will be the main GL for this universe like he was in JLU(hopefully more character development than the comics and they give him a mask)
I personally don't want Pattison and Cornswet to be in the same universe. I want the Brave and the Bold to be more Batfamily orientated and experienced almost like the Arkham Batman. While Pattison can be his own standalone thing like the Joker Movie. Leave it as a elseworlds movie
While I'd be open to it, it defeats the purpose of restarting the universe. It would just be a headache. Let alone the strain it could put on Pattinson, likely being part of multiple projects while inevitability still carrying the new universe. I'd rather a new fantastical batman & a fun brave & the bold movie. Down the line when they get multiversal, he could come in as a nice treat to the fans.
From what I understood, The Batman took place around 2019, so with it being Bruce's second year as The Batman, I'm guessing 2017 the earliest, which is just 1 year after the Ayer Suicide Squad film, so it's not entirely impossible for Harley to be in the film. As for Batman being in that time, I guess it's nto too bad, I mean, most other versions start their superhero careers before Superman exists, and Batman is still a myth to some people.
I agree with everyone that Battinson himself would be great to go into the DCU with, but I do NOT want Matt Reeves forced to plan his trilogy around a cinematic universe. I don't think gaining Battinson in the large universe is worth compromising The Batman trilogy personally
Most people will think that Robert is too young to play an older batman in the dcu. They forget or didn't realized that Robert is currently 38 years old. He was 33 when he flim the batman and Robert batman was probably 28 in the movie. Also I don't know if Robert Patterson is interested in being the dcu batman.
I'm okay with it, BUT if I have to choose than build it in to the timeline. They could share the rights Idc and build on each other's movies AND we would have a strong batman in a strong DCU
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I do want Pattison to be part of the DCU, he’s already a had a great film which the public made financially and critically successful, as well, it would mean perhaps actually seeing the robins grow up (there are of course work around for the robins if James Gunn wants to get to Damian).
It wouldn't work because they're doing Teen Titans which means they're already going to be an older Dick Grayson and an established Batfamily. They're already working on Titans movies so this just wouldn't work for so many reasons
Proves your stupid for Pattinson would not fit in the DCU so grow up they will get a new actor.
Pattinson is Elseworlds
@@jourdonpatron212doesn’t change anything especially when it could be an early version of the team
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 yeah but these people cant accept that so that's why they kept on yapping about this
Anyone that says that The Batman is too realistic to be in a fantastical setting baffle me even though Arrow started of grounded and introduced THE FLASH and it was amazing while it still was good to watch
The Arrowverse was always held back by budget and the Teen soap opera CW writing. Honestly, I would've rather had a good Flash movie than 9 crappy seasons of the Flash show. They were OK, but nothing amazing. And with Green Arrow, they just essentially turned him into Batman.
Still, the grounded esthetic transitioned convincingly into fantastical@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
also the marvel netflix shows which the batman already feels extremely similar to existing in the mcu
@@chemostar2361 Problem with that is that Batman isn't a street level character. He's a big player in the DC universe. His world is so large. It's not just him. By taking away parts of his world that are campier, you limit the character severly. You take away his ability to interact with the wider universe. You take away the fun. What you're left with isn't the character, but only merely 1 aspect of the character. I'd much rather see them bring multiple aspects and elements together. That's much more impressive.
Proves your stupid for Arrow is a trash show and all the other garbage shows were still stupid grounded realistic and don't compare trash CW shows to Movies.
iron man started off fighting a guy in a bigger metal suit, years go by and he’s fighting a purple alien. pattinson batman CAN exist in a world with james gunn other powered characters. it just takes time. Batman and Superman, Metropolis and Gotham work well together because of the different tones. and also, The Batman movie had SUCH a great interpretation of the character i don’t even know how we can have another batman that holds a candle, just having him wear blue and have more bright colors feels like a cop out. I feel like pattinson can exist and become the batman that joins the justice league if done right.
no lmao. Iron man was always more fantastical than the batman, if pattinsons enters the dcu he gets destroyed by anyone with superpowers.
There's the factor of tone. The overall tone of Matt Reeves' Batverse simply does not fit. There's no logical way to include Pattinson's Batman and the world that surrounds him into the DCU without completely changing the tone of the character and compromising everything Matt Reeves has done.
@@Ben-zg8xkthat’s why give “The Batman” a trilogy before they tie him in to anything else. Build him up, maybe even do a time skip before they do a justice league movie
@@ojmcclanahan689 i agree with what the other sides perspective but literally if u pick up a batman and superman comic they’re vastly different. batman can be fighting serial killers on a murder spree with no gimmicks and then superman can be fighting lobo and the parasite but there still in the same world literally a few cities away.
@@Ben-zg8xkno he wasn’t he was riding in a humvee and fighting tech moguls for his first three movies champ.
People sure are keen on doing the exact thing Matt Reeves DIDN'T want.
yeah, I remember when the batman released and everyone was like "please let it be his own thing, Reaves doesnt need a DCU" even Reaves and Gunn were saying "yeah we're in different universes dont worry" and everyone was chearing for that, but now they want the batman in the DCU?
@@artist0154 Yeah it's fucking stupid. Especially when the opportunity to have a grounded Batman possibly raising Dick Grayson, at the same time as a fantastical Batman with an established Batfamily, sounds fantastic. Best of both worlds.
Thing is, we're losing arguably the BEST and most accurate Batman we've seen so far, for the chance of a new one that is and will be a mystery until we see the brave and the bold.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Losing? They're still making a sequel and spin off show. We ain't losin shit. We're far past the point where audiences get confused cause there's 2 different Batmen in seperate franchises.
@@KhaosKontroller what I meant was that they're missing out on having such a good Batman be gatekeeped out of being the definitive version for a DC Universe.
I think that were past the point where the audience is going to be confused like dcu Batmans title is '' The Brave and the Bold'' and Matt reeves Batman is just ''The Batman'' and the sequel is just going to be titled ''The Batman Part 2'' like im like 99% the audience isnt gonna be confused
maybe but i’ve spoken to multiple casual fans of these movies and they think it’s dumb to have 2 batman’s at the same time AGAIN regardless of the tone.
@@samshughart3479I hate to be a dick but in my personal opinion I’d say fk them casuals 😭 having to water down a character, movie or let alone an entire universe (bringing Robert Pattinson’s Batman would be”watering down” & more so hurting the new DCU as it’s not the right vibe for the universe in my opinion) just because the casuals that otherwise wouldn’t contribute, take interest in , or even take the time to become knowledgeable enough to know how the characters should be portrayed is a slap in the face to the true fans. I understand the money aspect but it rlly just sucks imo.
@@samshughart3479 They might as well just do like a multiverse film and bring together The Batman and The Joker
@@jayminlucas2079Well “true fans” ain’t what DC needs.
I remember when they played a teaser in the theater for Amazing Spiderman. A guy in the theater said "I've seen this one already." They will be confused. My stepsister thinks Green Lantern is in Marvel. Normies don't get this stuff.
The battinson/cornswet fan art is the routh/bale fan art all over again
I feel bale and cavil would been better
@@omarcarlos537Cavill had Affleck though. Bale and Routh makes more sense.
@@omarcarlos537 maybe welling and bale would be better, routh could go with either clooney or kilmer, or even keaton
Maybe they they want to be like spider man like in no way home
I honestly think "The Batman" should be incorporated into the DCU coz I've never seen a batman evolve from threats like the riddler to threats like Darkseid in live action and it would be interesting to see that play out, building Batman from the ground up
I don't think it's gonna happen, though.
3:09 If you read The Riddler Year One comic by Paul Dano himself, it's confirmed that Metropolis exists in the Batverse
Paul Dano doing God's work with that comic, damn
lol no SHIT it exists 😂 it’s the DC Universe and a comic
@@TheJusDon Yeah No sh*t smarta$$. That's literally the whole point of why I wrote this comment. Because not only did this guy not know about Metropolis existing in the Reevesverse, but because not all DC properties have a background interconnected universe behind them like the Nolanverse🤦
@@sup3414 lol dumbass. Any of the DC cities can be mentioned in the comics is what I’m saying.
@@TheJusDonThat's not how the multiverse works. Alternate realities have alternate outcomes. Metropolis could've not existed in this universe while Gotham does. Don't be a smart ass when you're not even smart.
I think Robert Pattinson should definitely be the dcu Batman since he’s my favorite Batman actor because it wouldn’t make sense for their to be 2 Batman actors at once
What’s wrong with having some heroes debut before Batman? I know it makes more sense to have him be the first and be like “Masked Vigilantes before Metahumans”, but why not shake things up to be different, and have him be like second or third on the scene?
And older batman that has Damian just sounds so much better than a younger batman
Yes,It could no longer be a 'grounded 'batman
@@shareefa6971Grounded batman a bit overused. Affleck as a batman was between grounded and fantastic. If they can build another batman like that who's between the two then it would have been very good.
An older batman with things behind show with hard flashbacks can be a perfect thing.
@@matekiraly46 I am sorry. I myself would also prefer a fantastical batman over a grounded one for DCU. Along with that, it has to be distinct from matt reeve's Batman movies . Also, i love robin and would love to see him in a good live-action movie. English is not my 1st language.I really did not mean to be sarcastic.I actually don't want it to be another grounded take on the character.
I hope you've understood.
Lol he’s 33 in 2022 that’s higher average age of a dad in this era for sure
As fun as it is speculating, Reeves DOES NOT WANT his Batman to be brought to the DCU. Lets not get our hopes to high and just let them cook
James Gunn already said that Matt Reeves is not putting Pattinson in his universe.
thank you tell these people who is a nerd of dc is
Things change
@@andresvilhjalmsson2903 don't speak kid
@@andresvilhjalmsson2903 Y’all are saying, “oh it’s simple to take Matt reeves Batman and put him in the dcu”, but forget that it’s not what Him no Robert want.
If James Gunn were to put them in the dcu, it wouldn’t even start because as James said in the past Matt declined that move.
He doesn’t want his Batman in the dcu. And Robert only in his version of Batman because he respects his work.
So if James Gunn were to say “either you cancel your universe or join ours” Matt would just choose the first option.
I hope so I want Alan ritchson to be batman not Robert pattinson
I hope Batman becomes a part of the universe. We don't need an old Batman and a young Superman. We need a young Batman and a young Superman. I hope that Damian will not be Robin, but Dick Grayson will be.
It won't stupid so get a life for Batman is better being Older.
Yeah Gunn already had everything in motion for a new Batman. Pattinson universe will be separate.
Even though I believe Pattinson and Corenswet would make a great Batman and Superman duo, I don’t think it would likely be happening. 😔
These two universes exist in very different worlds: The Batman is a dark purely realistic portrayal of the iconic caped crusader, while the DCU leans into several different tones but exist in a different world where all these tones can tie together to make a greater whole.
To put Patterson's universe in the DCU would be to ruin the depiction both he and Matt Reeves are trying to create, not because of the tone not fitting-but because the worlds THEMSELVES don't fit.
Sure, a piece from a different puzzle CAN FIT-but not without taking away from that other puzzle the piece originated from.
and you sir have just proved you are a casually and a movie watcher you dont know the comics if you did you would know that what makes it so good the different worlds they live in just like in the batman the animated series and superman there was two different worlds that look nothing alike but when they got together none of that mattered
@@amaarirving902 Except he’s right. All you did was prove you are a casual moviegoer. Forgetting about comics for a second, the reason Matt Reeves’ The Batman was such a critical success is that it was a well written crime thriller with a backdrop of a CBM rather than a CBM movie first. I mean the movie so clearly takes heavy inspiration from David Fincher’s Se7en. Any movie in James Gunn’s DCU will have to be a CBM first as that is what is going to connect them all, and as a matter of fact is what Gunn himself said he is going for as he wants to lean into the fantastical. Putting Matt Reeves' Batman into such a universe will be such a dramatic change from quite literally everything they built in the first film and with The Penguin that at that point there is literally no reason to not just make a different version of the character.
@@amaarirving902 Now to talk about comics since y’all love to bring up the fact that Metropolis and Gotham have two different tones and moods, you are right they do have different moods. Gotham is much more dark and gritty compared to Metropolis. However, fantastical elements exist in both and that is ultimately what connects them to the larger universe that is DC. Seems like whenever y’all make this talking point about how Gotham is darker and grittier than Metropolis you automatically think it means Gotham is grounded. Gotham is more grounded than Metropolis, but generally speaking it’s not grounded at all. Characters like Poison Ivy, Clay-face, Killer Croc, etc exist. Even characters that don’t have supernatural abilities but have super human like strength and combat ability wouldn’t fit in Matt Reeves’ universe and that’s including a comic accurate Batman. I’ll say it again, Matt Reeves’ Batman film is a traditional crime thriller disguised as a Batman film, and does not at all fit into a cinematic universe that aims to adapt DC comics into live action.
@@donbebe6092 you must have frogot in all medias of batman first year sbeing batman is was always grounded he didnt go agaisnt croc and grundy till later on he always is grounded fighting falcon mob bosses before anything thats what his whole point was go read batman year one
@@amaarirving902 This doesn’t change anything of what I said. Read my second comment again. Even non-fantastical elements of comic Gotham and Batman do not fit with Matt Reeves’ portrayal. Bruce being an elite martial artist for example wouldn’t fit, which he’s already supposed to be by year 1. Matt Reeves’ Batman trilogy is supposed to a story about deeply rooted corruption with the genre being crime thriller. Really besides the detective aspect, no other aspect of Batman fits into the story. Gotham and its associated characters including Batman really only serve as the backdrop. You can tell the same story through a regular film.
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Look, I'm an actor and I do a lot of film study, The Batman doesn't fit the tone that James Gunn is setting for the DCU. As much as I would love it to be a part of it, you can't just change the tone of a beloved movie to fit a universe it was never meant to fit into. Yeah, Batman is darker but the DCU seems to me like they're trying to pull directly from the comics, The Batman doesn't do that, it's more of a conceptual kind of Batman, it really is an elseworlds story
That’s true
What about Swamp Thing, Authority, Paradise Lost? And one character's film doesn't define entire universe's tone.
You guys forget Arrow introduced The Flash
James Gunn mentioned the DCU wouldn’t have a singular tone like the MCU, as they will vary between the characters and stories being told
I get what you’re saying but also the comics these are based on are constantly having tone changes to the characters and most cinematic universe have a tone change in them anyway
Why do people still have this delusion? Reaves doesn’t want the Batman Connected so it won’t be connected, end of discussion
Exactly man! It’s supposed to be an elseworld type of thing, Reaves doesn’t want to be associated with other heroes in his universe.
... No? People can discuss what they like. If you're not intrested, go away.
Because its a good delusion a perfect batman with a perfect superman
Is it a delusion or just fans having fun?
@@thomasjohnson1885 good point, as many times as I have seen it I’d say borderline delusion.
the batman takes place in 2019 or 2024 cuz October 31 is on a Thursday on both those years
I dont think itll confise general audiences to be honest. If the tones / looks are different and The DCU Batman had the Bat Family etc it just wont be confusing imo
2019 - Bruce returns to Gotham and becomes Batman. A few months later, Clark becomes Superman, and over time, the rest of the superheroes.
2020 - Iconic villains like the Joker appear this year.
2021 - The first Batman film takes place. A few months later, in the same year, Bruce adopts Dick, who soon becomes Robin.
2022 - Barbara becomes Batgirl, Kara becomes Supergirl.
2023 - Dick becomes Nightwing, Jason becomes Robin, but a couple of months later the Joker shoots Barbara and kills Jason.
2024 - Tim reveals Batman's identity and becomes the new Robin. Barbara becomes the Oracle.
2025 - Superman Legacy takes place and Cassandra becomes Batgirl.
2026 - Batman the Brave and the Bold takes place.
i am honestly fine whatever they choose to do with Batman, i am curious tho if James Gunn and Matt Reeves r waiting for the Penguin to see how it’s received before making any decisions. there’s been no news on Brave and the Bold, not that that means they’re not working on it, but there’s at least been a handful of rumors for other projects. so to me, it makes sense that they might wait to see the audience reception of the Penguin and then Matt and James might go back to the drawing board
they definitely need to it would be amazing and the contrast between the two would be so good to see!
I need a fresh Batman. Battinson belongs in DC's Elseworlds division with Joker since he is not part of the DCU. Even Matt Reeves prefers to be separate. My pick is Zane Holtz for the DCU Batman. DCU audiences are more than intelligent enough to understand the two Batmen. Especially when the films would be labeled differently to bring separation.
Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon and Tim Drake, my favorites to which I want to see in the DCU!
The Batverse movies are all prequels following the DCU's Batman in his earliest years. That's how you can tell way more grounded and dark stories, because as Batman grows older, he deals with enemies that are more asnd more fantastical. That's why I i think they were originally planning to release the Arkham show in the DCU before it was cancelled.
While i wouldve preferred it if Battinson was made into the main DCU Batman, im open to seeing two different interpretations on screen at the same time, as long as its done right.
unfortunatly an iphotetycal time skip would be needed for the batman to join the new universe , for growning of both his batfamily and the general number of superheroes around , i don t see that happening
Glad I’m not alone in thinking this.
As much as I love seeing “the Batman” being its own thing , there’s also a part that would’ve loved to see that movie and its universe be one of the starting points for James gunns dc universe.
I love the fact of 2 separate Batmans. It's just more Batman content for us. One in a very gritty and grounded take on the character and one far more comic accurate. And I think for casual viewers if it confuses them that much then I think they would just look it up and be able to find the answers to their questions.
Fav youtuber W video as always
I wish you'd stop taking The Suicide Squad in consideration like it's canon for the DCU.
Im so split on this too but im glad that I have your videos to really help visualize and think out these things that I can't talk to anyone about 😅
For me it doesn't fit. The universe of The Batman is more realistic, dark and down-to-earth, while the DCEU would be more comical, fictional and fantasy. The ideal way would be to have two types of Batman on screen, one with a more realistic and dark feel for a more adult audience (The Batman) and another more comical and fictional for a younger and family friendly audience (DCEU). Two different universes for different audiences. Now if James Gunn decides to put Robert Pattinson's Batman in the DCEU, it will break the entire realistic environment of the first film. It would be like taking Joaquin Phoenix's Joker and throwing it into the Snyderverse with Superman, Aquamen, Flash... it just doesn't fit, it's another style of film, script and direction, a totally different universe from the other. The Batman is like those darker and more realistic Batman comics, it's for a more mature and cult audience and it's perfect like that.
This is the same problem the New 52 had lol. The 5 years thing is super weird to try and wrap your head around.... I could get behind it. But I would enjoy it more if the DCU's story had its own Bats
The same case happened in 2011-2014 with people on Batman bale and superman cavill
This is just my opinion, but regardless, if they keep some of the actors, I think the DCU should just start a clean slate. The suicide squad was a fun film, but it’s too strongly connected to the original DCU for the timeline to work with completely newinterpretations of the league
Good thing I watched this video, because I was on board with them changing their mind and making The Batman cannon. But this video changed my mind so hard
Fans want Battinson in the DCU but fail to realize why it wouldn't work. Reeves wants more realistic approach, James doesn't. Not to mention we're getting Titans in DCU. So already that doesn't work.
Except that Batman has ALWAYS been the most "realistic" of the Justice League...
@@sup3414 Y’all are saying, “oh it’s simple to take Matt reeves Batman and put him in the dcu”, but forget that it’s not what Him no Robert want.
If James Gunn were to put them in the dcu, it wouldn’t even start because as James said in the past Matt declined that move.
He doesn’t want his Batman in the dcu. And Robert only in is his version of Batman because he respects his work.
So if James Gunn were to say “either you cancel your universe or join ours” Matt would just choose the first option.
@@sup3414 Yes in COMPARISON except the DCU Batman is more likely to fight Dracula, Manbat Poison Ivy, or having a Satanic Cult storyline versus Reeves want Batman to be more grounded in his take of the villains.
Comic Batman and Reeves' Batman are not the same level of "realism..."
@@jourdonpatron212 You'd be surprised at how many "realistic" Batman comics exists.
As much as I liked The Batman, I still think it has some problems, and wish the Batmobile design and location of Wayne Manor were different. Even if it doesn’t become canon, we can still see both Batmen fighting grounded and fantastical villains.
I’m sorry, I know I’m nit picking, but it’s Batman isn’t necessarily a person, but he’s more supposed to be a symbol that criminals fear, and people can feel hope, therefore it would would batmans, and not batmen.
Bro we don’t need the Batman in our Dcu timeline them ppl gone be confused about it we need one for the Dcu
For the Flash in this DCU timeline, I’d actually love if Barry is an older member of the League and acts as a mentor for the other heroes. Then, when he dies in whatever crisis happens, Wally takes up the mantle and the roles are reversed with Wally learning from the League.
Podría ser como Hank pim en el ucm que ya está retirado el y le da a Wally el traje
It’s what I would want more superhero movies to be like, separate superhero movies should be ALLOWED to feel different in tone and even genre but still exist in the same universe. Let Blade be an action horror while Guardians is a space opera, Hulk is either a monster movie or psycho drama, and so on and so forth.
No. It would be much better to have Pattinson in his own universe. Reeves is cooking and I don’t want him to be tied down by the continuity of a larger cinematic universe. He’s got his own universe and it’s great that he can have his vision fully realized in his own self contained universe without any studio interference, rather than have to change things around to fit with other movies and shows. While it would be cool to see Pattinson and Corenswet on screen together, Matt wants to tell a more grounded and serious story, whereas Gunn is creating a more wacky and fantastical story.
I hope this does happen 🤞🏽
The Batman will never work in the DCU. Matt Reeves will never go for it. Him and Pattinson will leave like Burton and Keaton not wanting to be apart of Gunn's DCU.
This goes for both parties, James Gunn and Matt Reeves. Drop your EGOS. This is BRILLIANT. Just join forces already. PLEASE
That makes no sense. It was never Matt Reeves intention to put The Batman in a more comic book world. He wanted it to be grounded and realistic. Meaning Metropolis might exist, but there's no Superman because that's not what Reeves is going for.
They ain’t enemy’s???
Wrong stupid its a Multiverse so 2 different Universes.
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What “EGO”💀?
They both respect each other, and James Gunn has already approached the idea. And Matt declined, instead of canceling his universe he welcomed it as an elseworld.
3:10 They can honestly just retcon TSS and peacemake to have taken place in this new timeline after 2025
no retcons allowed
@@carterblake3410 the events of TSS and peacemaker are literally being retconned to fit into the DCU…
You only asked if you could, you never stopped and asked yourself if you should
I really want this because I personally think that Robert Pattinson is perfect as Batman.
They can easily say put Robert Pattinson in the DCU and simply not connect it to The Batman just as they're doing with Peacemaker Season 1 going into season 2. Easy.
Matt Reeves' and Gunns's past comments about this Batman being standalone would still be true
0:59 for the DCU batsuit, they should give it that classic vibe. But of course take the iconic designs from the comics. Like they did with the DCU Superman suit.
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Gunn asked Reeves if he was interested in merging the two but reeves didn’t want his story to be held back by having to be shared with other writers projects and Gunn respected that
1:13 Oh please ENOUGH with that rherotic. No, it won't. Pattinson is clearly labeled as an ELSEWORLDS while DCU Batman is main canon. What's so hard to comprehend about labels?
i always said these two should be in the same universe, batman can still be grounded that’s what makes him different and contrast against the fantasy elements
If they wanted to do Mr freeze for the Batman part 2 (they may do it) I think they could use the Batman to build the DCU. Implementing more fantastical elements ain’t a bad idea and having Superman exist in the same world but having a different tone is fine. But I don’t mind two different cinematic universes as long as they’re good. Especially if we get more grounded and edgy Batman and a more goofy, swashbuckling and epic JL founding member Batman
I’m okay with what they’re doing with Batman in the DCU🙂
Tbh, I was kinda hyped to see this video pop up in my feed because I’ve been toying with the idea of bringing Battinson into the DCU. He’s great and I really want to see where his story goes and how he might tie in with a larger universe. But after watching this video, I’m certain that they should remain separate. The gymnastics required to fit all of the proposed stories into a coherent timeline oddly makes the timeline rather incoherent. The set up leading to Superman and eventually The Brave and The Bold requires more than 5 years. Harley and Joker already killed Jason according to the loose canon of the Suicide Squad, yet The Batman hasn’t even trained his first Robin(and while we all assume The Batman Part II will introduce Dick Grayson, there’s no way to be sure). By 2026, we might not even have Dick Grayson, yet The Brave and The Bold is supposed to introduce Damian? The Robins really screw this idea up imo. Then you factor in all of the other existing heroes and storylines and I think it only makes sense for Batman to be a well experienced veteran with a pre established Bat-family.
Hate to say it and really I’m glad that someone decided to dedicate time and effort towards making a video for this scenario, but I just don’t think it works. If The Batman was releasing sequels every other year and had a 10 year head start on Superman, it would make sense, but condensing it all down to around 5 years is just begging to skip over a lot of what Gunn has already planned for the new universe. To make the two truly mesh, it would require retcons on both sides and I don’t want to do that. Plus, it would be stealing a live action Batman from us when we could have two.
Like another commenter suggested, I think it would honestly make *more* sense if you paired The Batman with The Joker, than it would be to shoehorn The Batman into The Brave and The Bold.
Just my two cents. Thanks for the video though.
a few points I'd like to make,
the batman is not part of the DCU because Gunn wants it that way, but because Matt reeves wants it that way, he said that he didn't want to be tied down to a universe, but be able to make his batman how he wants.
second, peacemaker season one and I would believe the suicide squad are not canon to the DCU, but peacemaker season two is.
lastly, blue beetle (the movie) is not canon to the DCU, but the actor who plays him will continue to play him in the DCU.
I like the idea of The Batman trilogy being younger days of DCU's Batman
I prefer what's actually happening, and only because The Batman very gritty and realistic. If James Gunn was planning from the beginning to incorporate this version of Batman into the larger DCU, then he would've worked around it and made his reboot less like it actually is.
I just don't think it works. People forget that movies and comics are quite different in presentation. There's the factor of tone, and the tone of Matt Reeves' Batverse doesn't esthetically fit anything we've seen from the DCU so far. It also doesn't fit from a narrative standpoint. James Gunn has said that Batman would have the Bat Family, so if we're gonna have a Batman with a Bat Family and Damian Wayne as Robin, we gotta have a Bruce Wayne that's at least 41 years old. There's no reason to compromise the history and backstories of beloved characters just for the sake of having a younger actor play Batman.
Honestly think the Batman should be a Max exclusive release going forward and the DCU Batman should get the main stage. Pattinson is a great Batman but the tone doesn’t seem vibrant enough to build a vibrant cinematic universe
If you want bring someone back , bring Affleck, hes old, suitable for a shared universe as hes the strongest, dont bring the same one from dceu but a variant in the new dcu who is pretty much the same
Batman should get the rebirth suit, new 52 suit, Batman earth one suit, earth 2 suit & Batman Inc suit
At the end of the day, I don't want to have to wait 10+ years in order to have the batfamily established and my favourite characters introduced properly in live action.
This might be crazy, but what if Pattinson gets casted as the DCU Batman while he does his Reevesverse trilogy? Same actor doing two different versions of the exact same character, one a bit older with a son and the other a younger vigilante finding his footing. A kin to James McAvoy playing vastly different Charles Xavier's each movie while they're the same core character. And hell, we've gone through a world where Sean Connery popped up out of nowhere with Never Say Never Again in the midst of Roger Moore and Timothy Darlton. This could be done.
People are forgetting that Matt Reaves doesn't want to do this it's his universe and James Gunn will respect that but the video was great as always
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@@carterblake3410 lmao
@@The_Presbyterian is better off as an else worlds i'll like it too
PLEASE do this James. PLEASE do this Matt. I want to see Dick Grayson as Robin in the batman 2, I need to see him leave Bruce and then lead the Teen Titans. I want them to wait til a second or third Titans film before he becomes Nightwing. We should see the bat family grow,not be told the aftermath. We should see batman and superman grow as hero's together, and not have another older and seasoned batman and fairly new superman.
I think the cleanest and best option is just to make The Barman universe canon to the DCU, scape the Brave and the Bold/Teen Titians plans and let the bat family grow naturally over the 10 year plan, recon Peacemaker to not be on a squad with Harley (or scrape season 2 which it's too late for), and dismiss the Blue Beetle movie while keeping the actor like they are with others.
My biggest problem with the DCU so far is that they're keeping some stuff from the old canon which is causing this mess. Should've just started from scratch with The Batman and Superman(2025).
or keep it in it's own universe stay mad
Teen Titans- Robin (Dick Grayson), Starfire, Supergirl, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven, Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Aqualad (Garth), Speedy (Roy Harper) & Kid Flash (Wally West)
As much as I love the idea of keeping the reeves verse separate … it’s not the worst idea to retroactively make the Batman the first movie in the DCU. But I’m happy with whatever way they choose to do it as long as there still is more Battinson in the future. Cause if they choose to completely replace reeves Batman instead of making separate stories, that’s a missed opportunity imho
Well when it is good idea of Pattinson to be dcu batman but I don't imagine him like someone that have 3 Robin's 2/3 Batgirl and has been active for over a decade he still gives me pretty year one /two batman vibes
I'd love to see the batman in the DCU but only after his trilogy...In the mean time let them make other solo movies for the other Justice league members....
With The Suicide Squad being heavily correlated to the original, event sharing some of the same actors, we could probably disqualify that from the timeline
I honestly prefer for The Batman universe to NOT be in the DCU. I really prefer for him to be grounded, dark and griddy and not see him fight some CGI aliens with the help of another alien wearing red boxers on top of a blue spandex suit with a big ass S in the middle of it...
I think they should keep them separate. The Batman will no doubt be a trilogy so they could have them come out every three or four years stretching out the story plus it would sort of match the tone of The Batman universe. Then have multiple consistent DCU projects releasing in-between, I think this would create a difference between the two universes. DCU being populated with different characters and relapsing constantly like the early MCU did and then The Batman Part 2 and 3 be released every few years.
one option its to make a outsiders movie or tv show, since batman and nightwing are members of this group in many formations
Matt Reeves' intention with the Batman was to be grounded and realistic. He doesn't want a more comic book looking world. No campiness. It's a big reason i didn't like the movie. I'm honestly kind of tired of them making everything realistic. I'd like there to be a proper balance between being grounded and campy, sor of like the Raimi Spiderman films. Making it part of the DCU goes against Reeves' vision for the character. It doesn't make sense because it doesn't fit. It would be like trying to put the Nolan movies in a universe with super powered beings. That wasn't the intention for Nolan.
I really hope battison is left to do his own thing. You cant reboot a universe while keeping all your favourite things that just feeld cheap. Im personally really to excited to see what James gunn is playing for batman :)
It’s doomed even before its starts.
Speaking of Batman, Do you think Richard Madden should play Batman, Jason Statham should play Alfred Pennyworth, Leo Howard should play Nightwing and Gordon Cormier should play Damian Wayne Robin in James Gunn DC projects in the DCU?
Here’s another way the Batman could fit into The dcu. The Batman part 1 and 2 are soft canon within the dcu brave and the bold. Example u could have a situation in brave and the bold where Batman is talking to Damian and tells him, “u know I remember 15 years ago I faced the riddler here and he flooded all of Gotham”. Essentially the dcu Batman and the reeves Batman are still different Batman but the dcu Batman still went through similar events that the reeves Batman went through in the Batman part 1 and 2
I would still have the DCU Batman suit look armored. Your idea could work
I think Batman should be referenced too in Superman. Like somebody says a flying man with super strength & shoots lasers out of his eyes is even more dangerous than that nut who fights other nuts in Gotham, something like that. Bruce Wayne/Batman need's to be formally introduced in his own movie.
Your missing a crucial element, some of these heroes have been around for decades(like JSA etc), so Hal Jordan will be in his late 40s and John Stewart will be the main GL for this universe like he was in JLU(hopefully more character development than the comics and they give him a mask)
I personally don't want Pattison and Cornswet to be in the same universe. I want the Brave and the Bold to be more Batfamily orientated and experienced almost like the Arkham Batman. While Pattison can be his own standalone thing like the Joker Movie. Leave it as a elseworlds movie
Keep Pattinson Batman in his own separate world and connected at all. We’re already getting a Batman in the dcu
While I'd be open to it, it defeats the purpose of restarting the universe. It would just be a headache. Let alone the strain it could put on Pattinson, likely being part of multiple projects while inevitability still carrying the new universe. I'd rather a new fantastical batman & a fun brave & the bold movie. Down the line when they get multiversal, he could come in as a nice treat to the fans.
U dont have to change the title...it would just be The Batman Part II
From what I understood, The Batman took place around 2019, so with it being Bruce's second year as The Batman, I'm guessing 2017 the earliest, which is just 1 year after the Ayer Suicide Squad film, so it's not entirely impossible for Harley to be in the film.
As for Batman being in that time, I guess it's nto too bad, I mean, most other versions start their superhero careers before Superman exists, and Batman is still a myth to some people.
I agree with everyone that Battinson himself would be great to go into the DCU with, but I do NOT want Matt Reeves forced to plan his trilogy around a cinematic universe. I don't think gaining Battinson in the large universe is worth compromising The Batman trilogy personally
Most people will think that Robert is too young to play an older batman in the dcu. They forget or didn't realized that Robert is currently 38 years old. He was 33 when he flim the batman and Robert batman was probably 28 in the movie. Also I don't know if Robert Patterson is interested in being the dcu batman.
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Gonna have two live action batman but james Gunn 🐶 ahh just needed to fire henry cavill cuz he knew his superman movie would flopp big time
I'm okay with it, BUT if I have to choose than build it in to the timeline. They could share the rights Idc and build on each other's movies AND we would have a strong batman in a strong DCU
“Colin Firth as the Penguin”
The batman trilogy could just be a prequel to the current dcu
Nothin is canon before creature commandoes Even suicide squad and peacemaker season one