HOW TO BROADHEAD TUNE...
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- HOW TO BROADHEAD TUNE... You have your bow dialed and the proper arrow... time to screw on broadheads and fine tune your set-up... here's how to do it! #elkshape #abt #archery
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Ben seems to be a good ol’ boy who was nervous in a room of pros. I think you guys set him up for success, but also keep in mind not everyone is on your level. Picking apart his gear or his technique can really impact a guy’s confidence. We all know how important confidence is in archery. Feeling good equals shooting good. Great video guys keep up the great work!
good point. Also seemed a bit too fast paced for a beginner. They are still getting the basics nailed down and hearing people go off on tangents about this and that doesn't help any... it just becomes overwhelming to them... I know because I was in that position years ago. Tuning talk had me tearing my hair out. Bows are very dynamic and so are our bodies... I have learned that what works for some doesnt always work for everyone... there are general guidelines that you should always start with... but I've gone in circles before trying to force the bow to do something it did not want to do, just because the standard tuning guides said so.... let the bow tell you what it likes. Limb sequencing and form can do strange things sometimes.
@@Muskiehunter92 that and when people treat you like your stupid when trying to get help doesn't make the person confident at all and questions why they even came in to get help. I
Did some broadhead tuning myself last week. At first I just moved my sight… then I found the correct method and moved my rest. Shooting ok now. It’s amazing to me how much the broadhead will multiply the imperfections in arrow flight.
Congrats you are now a level 2 tuner
I wish the bow shops around me had a MFJJ. All the ones I went to seem like they don’t want to help
That was so much fun. Thank you Dan and MFJJ!
HAh!! I have been through almost this EXACT same process (minus the cameras and agitator Dan) with a couple-few archers in the past three or 4 weeks... I run a pre-change test using a home-made shooting machine first to check timing, lean and aimpoint without human interference, then I finish shooting it by hand. Guys are amazed when I show them phone video of their bow breaking nocks after basic tuning of the bow shooting them through the machine, and then replicating by hand. HAND POSITION on the bow is the single most common reason broadheads don't hit with field points. Prove me wrong.
What are we doing wrong with our hand position?
It's that time of year again! Here for the refresher. Get some!
The look on that dudes face when MFJJ said “micro adjust rests a kinda priceless” was in fact priceless. He was contemplating financial choices at that point.
You’re right on! That was good.
True because I actually did buy the micro adjust rest and they install it on video lol.
I was killing myself trying to broadhead tune my rest at 50 and 60! Thank you so much with that comment on drag at the beginning! It to 40 I was good but shooting low at 50+
Ben is breathin!
Earlier in the year I couldn’t shoot past 50. I would miss our 6 foot back stop. Went and shot 120 today. Took me a couple months to get there but my buddy was telling me stuff I was doing wrong and that forced me to fix my mechanics. He’s been my coach, he’s been archery hunting for like 20 years and I just started last year
Absolutely love this video, been scratching my head for two years trying to align the two. Will be doing this as soon as the season is over because i just adjusted my sight to my broadheads. It just sucks shooting field points to practice during the season, because they are offline
Great video as always - Broadhead tuning in two weeks, and I'll be ready for my upcoming elk hunt. Thanks for all the awesome content, and best of luck to everyone...
Man, broadhead tuning can be difficult enough as it is, but it's nearly impossible if you have shot anticipation. (I know from years of pulling my hair out) Without the knowledge how to blueprint your shot execution, you'll chase your tail for years (without success) attempting to get your gear to cooperate. I'm hoping these good guys will tap into Joel Turner ASAP! Good vid guys, keep up the good work sharing your knowledge and inspiring us to ABT
Just got my setup broadhead tuned last week! Got a grim reaper micro hades flying true out past 110! Great video as always, Dan!
Good video fellas! Always enjoy these collabs!
Sure wish I had a pro shop that did pro work the way MFJJ does here in my area.
I may just f around and fly out to Washington one day.
Take care y’all!
Good video. Consistent groups are key in any shot tuning methods! Can't wait for the bow giveaway!
Always enjoy these videos yall! A lot of my current set up and future set ups im planning are based off mfjj’s and dans opinions backed by proof. Keep it goin guys! And good luck this season!
How come for left-right you move the rest towards the broadhead but for up-down it's the opposite?
What I get confused about is if you have your paper tuning perfect but then have to move your rest, isn’t that gonna make your paper tuning off?
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 1:7 - You guys keep it up. Great video as always.
Super awesome what you guys did for those boys!
Great video. This will definitely help, as I will start broadhead tuning in the near future. While I have hunted pigs in Hawaii, I am hoping to get my first deer this year. I am also excited to try out the Iron Will 125gr wides that I just ordered yesterday.
I love you guys content i watch all of your stuff. Not nocking but a year ago you guys released a video saying the opposite rest movements. Is this just a mixup or is the old video incorrect? I tried tuning off this video and it did not work i watched the year old video and it worked perfectly. Would appreciate some input. Please keep putting out great content!
I was in the middle of a bench press when you popped Mike Tyson up had to rack it i was laughing so hard😂
Conflicting info on rest movement direction. Could you describe why you would move a left broadhead rest to the left. My experience is it's the opposite.
Left impacting broadhead, when your arrow leaves the bow it starts to the right & as it flexes and the vanes stear your arrow back straight they will typically over correct to the left. So moving your test to the left in this instance would would help stop the amount of your arrow correcting to the left.
Most of the tuning charts are incorrect, and it can be darn confusing when reading them. I have 4 tuning charts I saved off archery talk one of which is actually correct, the other three you follow that you will never get a fixed blade broadhead to fly correctly.
@@caninphx Do you have a link where I can find this correct chart?
@@caninphx link be great
@darcyfloreani9722. You are correct if broadheads are hitting right move your rest to the left. Opposites always attract. John Dudley has a great video on his TH-cam Chanel about broadhead tuning.
Love you guys. Thank you for sharing for us, in trying to wrap my mind around this
Hey I've been copying y'all with fletching my arrows, why does the spine go 90 degrees to the side of the "cock" vane/feather now? Thanks for another great video.
I'm wondering this too.
Also wondering, I thought you go directly on with the strongest part of the spine for compound and go 90 left for a trad bow.
Yes, we need answers! I was hoping someone else caught this as well
Anyone get an answer on this? About to build up a set and rewatched this video.. can’t figure out why to offset 90°
Good vid for this time of year!
Man love these video. i only wish i had a person like you or josh local to where i am, maybe i need to just drive out there!! keep up the good work.
So, what if your broad head is left, and I move my rest left, but the impacts of both the field point and broad head move left.
Why do you turn the spine alignment mark 90*
Same question here, I’m about to build a near identical arrow and wondering why the 90 degree turn during fletching.
Same question here. I’ve had the factory fletched VAP TKOs, and the spine aligned mark is directly opposite the cock vane (in between the hen vanes). So, I’ve fletched my arrows exactly the same with the Arizona Easy Jig. I think due to the strong helical, it looks like the center point of the cock vane is directly opposite from the spine aligned marking.
Also wondering the same thing. I fletched mine right on the spine alignment 😢
Fmjj said in another vid to put the stiff side down .maybe they meant to say 180 degrees
@@stephenryder8143 i remember that video but it looked like they only turned it 90
Both of y'all are amazing guys! Y'all don't gate keep information and love to help others learn and teach them along the way too. I have told the wife countless times that my dream is to have the two of you set up a new hunting bow for me one day!!! I would absolutely die for that day to ever happen
Good old archery talk.
Awesome video guys! Learned a lot! Thanks
Preview thumbs up! Been awaiting this video since you mentioned on Saturday! Pleasure meeting you - love the content. Thanks! PS, those lesser than extreme helical, more traditional offset arrows, look a bit weird in your quiver 😉
Bow out of spec! - When you put twists in the cables to adjust, do you also need to put twists in the string? That would be a good vid
I've always wondered, though, why no one shoots a field tip-arrow through paper again. After they've paper-tuned and then broadhead tuned their bow. To show if the tear is still a perfect bullet-hole. Just curious.
Spine has so much smaller of an effect now days with the tuning abilities we have with the bow. I can tune and ultra stiff and an ultra weak arrow perfectly fine with any and every broadhead out there assuming everything is built well from the head to the arrow.
The tune settings will be different for each likely but weak or stiff will tune just fine.
He’s so confident and cocky but he really doesn’t know nearly as much as he thinks.
This was a perfect video taking a subscribers and going thru his bow. Seemed like the dude wasn't pulling and pushing thru his shot so much ? But whatever he was fairly within the bull so he's kinda perfected his errant ways like most of us hackers have done,myself included. He's young enough to get some instruction from a real good teacher like a Wunderle or Joel Turner.
Big as he is, he should be using 90 fucking pounds too,,,,lol 32 inch fucking draw ???? Danny you and me can only DREAM of that. I'd had him on 200 spine and some weight upfront 50 grains or so . But that's me. Not sure i've seen a 32 draw before. Just imagining the damage 32 inch draw can do to a oversized boar hog. Damn I hate being a midget.
I like the 5mm move,far better than the 4mm with flanged half outs. Hope this works out well for him and he does well this year.
Yakima was where Ljutic trap shotguns were made. Great guns ! Shot one for years before going to Perazzi
Great job to the Mohawk as normal. Thanks for the content Danny.
Great video once again!
Hi,I'm a big fan of your chanel,I'm a hungarian bowhunter,in our country we don't have much oportunity to bowhunt ,usualy we have to do night time hog hunt with red light,I tried a lot of sights and peep sights for this type of hunting,my question is what do you think is the best setup for this type of hunting,I realy appreciate your videos ,thank you for your answer
King regards
Imre
What about broadhead tuning a deadlock cam system? Do we move the rest of just the cam to the broadhead left/right and then the rest up/down?
I'm curious? I have the same question
great video guys!
From my fixed blade experience, this makes way more sense than what Dudley said in his video. Maybe that's why he disabled comments (but is still collecting ad revenue)
Josh is so entertaining
Dang, the Jolly Blue Giant. 32 1/2"? Whatever he wants
Okay I must be simple here but if you are moving your rest to move your broad head arrow closer to the field point point of impact wouldn't your field point also move?
Facts!! I like it!!!
Why are we moving the rest and not the sight? Wouldn’t that throw it out of tune?
Do you know keep tuning out to like 60 yards or are you just tuning at the distance you are at in the shop and good to go?
I like the part where he says, I know your bow is tuned since you got it tuned at my shop... then found out it was out of spec😂😂😂🤦♂️
What should I do if I can’t move my rest up or down?
@elkshape hey Dan, awesome stuff with subscribers. Quick question, what’s the reasoning behind the cock vane being 90deg from the spine of the arrow? Mahalos 🤙🏽
Hey Dan, what impact does offsetting the cock feather 90 degrees from spine alignment have on the arrow? Thanks man.
I was wondering the same.
I thought we are supposed to set rest at 13/16 n adjust top hat?
Thats funny he commented on the AT post not sure if it was the same one I saw that ended up turning into a jonh dudley roast...unfortunately there's alot of trolls on that site but it does offer some valuable information
When is the MFJJ: Shaft Tuner shirt coming out?!?
After paper tuning through adjustments of rest and loop, why would it make sense to move these to take it out of tune? If the broadhead shoots differently, just adjust the sight and keep your bow in tune.
Paper tuning is just a base line. Broadheads are when you truly fine tune.
Wish shops around me could help tune my broad heads
HELP!!I shoot a bowtech with dead lock cams. Im left handed. If i shoot my broadheads and they impact right of my field tips, which way to i move the cams to correct it? Or should i just move my rest instead of my cams?
Adjustments the same if shooting LH
Why do i see so many videos saying move the arrow rest the the left if broadheads hits to the right…always was told opposite of where broadhead hits. Thanks for the clarification
Man i was thinking the same thing and elkshape released a video a year ago saying the exact opposite if what this video says.... i found the last video to be correct.
@@blaynewatts7040 so this latest vid here moving the rest to the right if head hits right of field point is correct? and will bring the two together then resight in for that group once point of impact is the same for both? Or the last video where you move the rest opposite like i was always told before? Im switching back ti fixed blades for this whitetail season and its deff crunch time
Are heavy arrows (560 ) with good FOC predisposed to shoot closer to field points when things aren't perfect? I feel like I have gotten pretty lucky with my setup as it just seems to shoot where you point it.
What is the best yardage to do this at?
just gone done making the finishing touches and its getting expensive with how many arrows ive split 😂😅
When you move the rest to tune broad heads will that now change your results when shooting though paper, I see a lot of videos where people put a massive amount of effort to get a perfect bullet hole only to move the rest when trying to get their bare shafts to hit the same place their fletched arrows hit, I'm not sure weather to put the effort into paper tuning or bare Shaft tuning, I was thinking you would be better to make the effort getting a perfect bullet hole in paper with a bare Shaft to get the best broad head flight.
Papertuning/Bareshaft tuning are just a starting point and are done say from 3-5 yds. your broadhead tuning at 20yds plus and what is dialed close n will need micro adjustment further out.
@@caninphx that's the mistake that I think most people make is they only shot through the paper at close distances instead of going back to 6 to 7 metres and getting bullet hole with a bare Shaft .
I think it depends on the initial setup. I'm assuming that the bow is in spec and has been tuned. I personally set my bows up in the following sequence. Eyeball center shot, arrow thru CL of berger hole, paper tune from 3' & 6', modified french tune, then walk back tune once my pins are set.
FTR: I've always moved my BH towards my FP.....been woking fine for the last 25 years
That said, make micro adjustments, if the gap is widening between the BH & PF, move the other direction. I can see moving the rest towards the arrow poi if it hasn't been set up correctly. I'm just a hunter, not a tuner.....but it's been working fine for me for the past 25 years. Also, some BH fly like dog crap as well, I had some slick tricks the absolutely would not group past 30 yards. I know my Exodus fly with my PF out to 80yrds
I used to die hard paper tune but could never get fixed blades tuned. Then I found out about french/ walk back tuning. Wow did that make life easier.
Pro tip: pull your broadhead and mark where it hit before you shoot the field point.
Sincerely,
Someone who just sheered a blade off his Grim Reapers inside his target lol
Why does Dudley say the exact opposite on rest movement. He says broadhead hits left of felid point, move it right. Move opposite of where it’s hitting. How is it possible he is wrong
My wife loved it when I said “there’s no budget for archery success “😂
I’m new to a compound. Been shooting a week. When sighting in my scope I couldn’t tell if my grip kept effecting my left or right. Sometimes I would hit what I’m aiming at then it would be off even if I really focused on my grip. I tested my micro hades and those things are loud
There are many many factors that affect left and right impacts. Face pressure, grip torque, nock tuning, timing, nock fit, and probably more than that
@@jackbuendgen389 😩
I don't get this left to right thing. I just moved the rest on my bow to the left about 1\32 inch and both my field points and broadheads started to hit left about 2.5 inches at 15 yards. Something doesn't add up.
Are the BH and FP hitting the same poi? If so, then adjust your sight. If the BH & PF have a gap, keep adjusting until they are hitting the same spot, then adjust your sight
@samdingo1956 I get that concept but Dudley did a video years ago where he said if your broadhead hits right of the feild point, move the rest to the left until they hit the same spot. Then you just re-zero the sight. Now everyone says if the broadhead hits right, you move the rest to the right until they hit at the same spot. When i move my rest right, both arrows move right. Does a field point move faster than a broadhead with each rest movement? I always figured the broadhead would move the most. If so, then this makes sense. I always spend a ton of time getting perfect aroow flight, and they just hit the same.
eastonarchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/TuningGuideEaston.pdf Page 11, been working great for 25 years for me!
What was beginning and final yardage on the tuning?
Also, if Im tits at 40 or 50, should i even care about beyond that if im not shooting an animal past 40? Not shooting TAC or anything, would just swap back to FP settings post elk season.
Please anyone answer 🤘🏼
Lol I'm sorry but your honesty is the best fmjj
ABT!
Im really interested. Why when flething Bens arrow you didnt put the cock vane on the spine align? Also, should he be shooting cock vane down?
Curious why Josh was rolling his eyes at bareshaft tuning. Is there something wrong or unnecessary with it?
He likes to “skip the foreplay” he’s made videos in the past explaining why he doesn’t do it.
What distance do ya’ll broadhead tune from?
Strings off from the factory.... those are gas 😆
Hi, I have a question how do we shoot bullet holes when the arrow is flexing most of the flight. I never could understand this. And of you tune for broadheads and you move the rest to get them to fly close to the same wouldn't you thru out the bullet hole you originally made. I'm 62 years old and been shooting for 45 years and never could figure these things out. Thanks for the video and your knowledge. Happy and safe hunting. Ralph D.
I'm no pro but I found there is some wiggle room with your bullet hole when making these micro adjustments. After I micro adjusted my rest for broadheads I went back to a bareshaft thru paper and still got my bullet hole. If getting a bullet hole at 3 yards meant a perfect tune none of this would be needed. It's the "wiggle room" where the broadhead magnifies anything other than the arrow coming dead straight out of your bow. Assuming your spine is correct and the rest of your bow is good to go. My 2 cents for what it's worth.
Dude, I'm sorry to be this guy, but how do we got about getting you to set up our bow for this. 😂 I love u arkansas and would love to meet you guys
This might be a dumb question but Does this apply to both left and right handed shooters? Same movements of the rest towards broadhead
Up and down adjustments will be the same same.
Left and right is NOT. Josh mentioned that early in the video...
Didn’t hear him say anything about left or right handed differences.
On a Hoyt vtm31 my sight picture on bow sight is in the riser should I shim cams to the left ? Also arrow rest is around 1/2 inch from riser instead of the 13/16 will this hurt anything if it’s paper tune good.
Set at 13/16" then shim cams first to fix tears, fine tune with rest but 1/2" from riser you maybe hitting cables with your fetchings... i had my cams on my hoyt rx5 ultra shimmed all the way left and still had a partly obstructed sight ring from the riser on it...
What target is that or whitch do you recommend for broadheads
Morell high roller
What if broadhead is low
This shooter could be helped by working on his trigger release. He is not pulling his hand backwards as he releases the arrow.
If i cut my hair like will i instantly gain all that archery knowledge?
It would be hard to be on camera and getting criticized at the same time but in a good way and be a newbie I would get criticized real bad never had real teaching lol
I just picked up a 6 pack of RIP TKO's V1...the cock vanes came fletched 180 degrees from the spine index. I am reflecting these and was going to keep the cock vanes the way they came until I watched this video. I am now wondering how to proceed?? Please help!! LOL
"I personally don't shoot animals less than 40 yards, i get close, it's called archery".
I think you meant to say "....don't shoot animals MORE than 40 yards..."
MFJJ is the man.
Yvonne Pass
Broad head tuned the first dude and got him all set arrows flying perfect. Then changed everything and sold him a bunch of stuff… wtf
It's because my bow was out of spec. I wanted to have 70lb draw weight. My mods were 70lbs but it was only drawing like 65ish. He fixed the bow so it was drawing 70lbs which most certainly made it so my 300 spine arrows were too weak. So i got the new 250 spine arrows to work with my long draw length and 70lbs. I then knew I'd need to retune my broadheads so I just got the micro adjust rest to make tuning it myself easier.
Tim posting videos at the same exact time to try to get more views…
My bowshop is so stupid....just a bunch of fancy shirts ....no pros to be found ...thank you all for filling the gaps
Quit punching the trigger and it quit affecting your shot you can not punch that triggers too much of a somatic movement professional artists that do it and do it really good but it's a very hard thing to hang onto and that's very well-known
It sucks Dan and Tim are sharing mfjj! I just saw this video the other day from Tim lol
Feel like I just watched this on another channel........
dudes wife is gonna kill him for buying the rest and arrows 😆. I would have too. Can't blame him
I guess I'm in the minority that I enjoy MFJJ and AT -_-
"beat that thing like your ex-wife"...haha
MFJJ was on one that day!