Is Waves still the King of all Plugins?
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- Is Waves still the King of all Plugins?? Y'all Let me know!
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R-Comp and R-Vox can't be messed wit when it comes to vocals and user friendlyness. Everything else is a toss-up though.
I can agree!!!
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Waves still has top notch plugins it’s just the business model. I had to pay to update all my plugs when I switched to my M1 Mac and just this week I got another reminder that one of my plugs is about to expire lol. That being said I love the stuff from Soundtoys, Fabfilter, Cable Guys, Izotope and Native Instruments as well. Plenty of companies are doing phenomenal work!
Now that my friend is one up hill battle I don’t understand about waves. Why the license for a paid plug in has a expectations date, way to explain why I have moved on and take my losses. Now it makes sense.
So waves would be a better choice for plugins, I'm asking because I'm about to get the mac lap 32g 1tb max chip and protools
@@qwayvodog depends what you need it for? they have a lot i brought about half so i will point you in a direction to think about what plugin are good if you have any in mind please share.
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I have some waves but I was thinking that uaudio was an upgrade to go along with protools...I got some izotope as well
Waves is awesome! But Universal Audio and Fab filter are also a must have for me. Izotope has its place too 👌🏾
Some years back I had fabfilter pro-c as a demo all over a track. The demo ran out and the track fell apart without it. 😔
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I think what we're seeing is a sort of generational rift forming. If you started out 20+ years ago you might have been using Cubase or Cakewalk or maybe Pro Tools | 24. Whatever your studio ran it did seem Waves were everywhere. Now I was just a kid then playing around with MIDI in Cubase at the time but Cubase and Waves seemed pretty ubiquitous as they were easy to find and had lots of peers to connect to. 2002 rolls around and Pro Tools | HD comes out. Quickly becomes the industry standard over the next few years. Native Instruments starts picking up steam around this time. A decade later and Mac + Pro Tools + Waves + Komplete seemed to be the standard.
Nowadays PCs are so powerful you don't need Mac, you don't need fancy external DSP processing, you don't need Pro Tools. Many studios are still using it, but there are new studios coming online all the time using Cubase or Studio One. There are also tons of options for plugins these days and I think we'll see less and less use over the years of these older collections as more new studio owners, engineers and producers get their starts. With TH-cam and social media it's so easy to go out and check out whatever plugins you might be interested in before even downloading a demo. Someone getting their start and going to TH-cam to look at plugin reviews is going to get fed all the latest stuff. I think over time we'll see less Pro Tools, less Waves and less NI being used. Some new collections might take their places as standards over time or we'll just start seeing everyone use what they feel like and have come up with better solutions for bringing your plugins with you to someone else's studio.
The Renaissance bundle is a must. I am also a big fan for the Center Plugin. It's straight forward
Bring back memories. it was 2006. I just got cubase sx3. And my homeboy gave me a CD with something called Waves Mercury Bundle The rest is history.
Those were the days 😂
😂 I was so happy back then. I still use cubase 10.5.
Loved the Waves’ products but those upgrade prices for newer Mac OS😒! I haven’t looked back at them since! There are many other companies who are equal if not better without the CONSTANT MONEY DRAIN!
HUGE SHOUT OUT to UNIVERSAL AUDIO👊🏾‼️
Love that Waves C4 multiband compressor and SSL4000 compressor. RBass, Doubler, RChannel, and RVox are SWEET too as well as that linear phase eq and linear phase multiband compressor. And yes, the L1 and L2 limiters have their place too.
With that said, Fabfilter is no joke, as others here have already mentioned.
I'm more on slate and plugin alliance.. looking at adding fab filter then I feel like I'll be good..but I do have waves and like them... but also use stock plugins in my daw.. I almost feel like there's just too many options sometimes let's face it we all may have 25 different eq plugins but only use like 2 or 3 of them lol..
I fucked up enough computers with cracked software and “other things” that the cracked Waves just seemed unobtainable for my personal use. When I was working in a commercial studio, it was “needed” just to keep things compatible. For personal use now, I try to get as comfortable and acquainted with the native Ableton plugins before lusting over the new hot shit.
“Other things” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Definitely waves is still up there with the best even till this day.... the deesser , h delay, j37 tape emulation and rcomp is my go to on every mix
I, too used to use cracked Waves with Sonar back in the days. I think they are still the best but there others like Fab Filter, Izotope, IK Multimedia, Slate, etc. that make really dope plugins too.
Waves is kind of like Pro Tools. It may not get the praise it once did, but it still makes industry standard plug-ins that are used in studios all over the world.
I still think Waves is the top company overall when it comes to plugin effects, although I know a lot of people really like UAD plugins.
I agree.
I think (in relation to PT) that will become more a thing of the past day by day, the industry WILL move on even if the current standards dont keep up (and IMO both PT and Waves are not, PT ...the DAW is outdated, and with Waves its about their business model and how they treat customers)
I always wanted Waves plug-in. I have the full Mercury bundle. And the main reason was for when I went into actual studios like PatchWerk!
I didn't know anything about WAVES before this. I'm just finding out about some of these plug-ins. I just took advantage of izotope's holiday deals with Ozone 10 Advance. My beats sound SO professional now.
I had a nice collection of waves plugs. Had them for years. I was tempted to buy a new plug-in and did so. Lo and behold, all my version 9 plugins were now DISABLED and I haven’t been able to use them since!!!! So all because I wanted to jump on a version 12 plug-in, I lost all my version 9 plugins. They want me to pay them more money for what I already owned and worked fine, til I got the version 12 plug-in. Tried to delete the version 12 plug-in and get my version 9 back…NOPE.
SINCE THEN, I AM ANTI WAVES. Scoundrels.
Waves has a weird payment thing happening. You can’t update without paying again. I like a lot of the plug-in alliance stuff. Shadow Hills compressor is a must.
You don't have to update though. It's just marketing. Your plugins are still gonna work.
@@AJWise This is true. However, they are counting on you needing to update eventually. If for nothing else, compatibility. And the cost is $/plug-in.
I'm already looking at a cost upward of $250.
I’ve been slowly transitioning out of the Waves’ stuff. I just don’t like having to pay every year to keep what I paid for functional. Especially, now that there are so many other products out there that sound just as good or better.
I still use waves off the top but also use a few other's but waves is a must still 2023 💯💯💯
The same Plug-ins/emulations from other companies usually sound a bit better than waves imo.
However, waves always seems to get the job done and has some of the best prices. I think waves plug-ins will continue to be popular for this reason.
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Can't leave Analog Obsession. Waves is not the go to anymore!
damn bro you brought me back lol cool edit, nuendo, lol yep you definitely an OG like me
Scheps Omni Channel is my personal Hot Sauce… I put that s*** on everything!
Waves plugins are mostly dope. For the past year Ive been building up the collection. A lot ppl give them flack because of the WUP stuff, but they all work fine. Putting them in the new Studiorack really makes them shine tho!
I swear every studio ive been has mercury bundle. There lot new stuff coming out but waves on a lot hard drives and still does a fine job. Yes Bb tubes sit on my drum bus everyday now !
Waves is still imperative to every session I record.
UA plugins, Waves, Izotope, and Flux. The good stuff.
I would say this... Waves is currently still on top as most studios utilize them heavily. Speaking of the SSL plugin from Waves, they are nice but as of lately I started using the SSL direct built plugins and I think the sound is extremely better with less processing power. The new SSL plugins give you that real feel and I love them!
I have the SSL Channel Strip, but don't use it much. How do you use it for hip hop/electronic music?
@@verbone I picked up the whole SSL bundle and use it on everything from Gospel music to Hip-Hop they sound good. Using the SSL 4K B channel strip is basically like using a 4K console and you can mimic those sounds thick analogue sounds from your in the box rig. The SSL Fusion plugin gives depth and warmth anywhere you want it and it’s simple to dial in. I’ve used the hardware version of it and wasn’t sure if the plug-in was going to do the same and it does.
@@MayhewCuthbertson You use the channel strip on buses? On your mix bus? Or both? I'm thinking on the mix bus to add some cohesiveness to a track?
Fabfilter pretty decent too!
Yes!
Waves update policy is pretty unfriendly (the most polite way of putting it ;D)
Appreciate the video as always man. I know that Georgia hat is hittin different rn too 🤣🤣🤙🏽
I think companies are focused in creating in the box products because it's cheaper to make and for consumers to purchase. So plugins are taking over this music production erea. As for waves, they do the job. But yes .... there are other companies giving them a run for their spot. ✌️
It's a few waves plugins that are essential but I feel slate is better.
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Harsh lessons I learned when starting out? Check the stock plugins of your DAW before even considering buying 3rd-party stuff; you might be surprised at the results and save some cash.
T-Racks has some EQ’s that in my opinion are best of the best… they respond top notch & are pin point. I’m undecided on some of their other tools. None of them are bad at all, but the EQ even their classic EQ is just so good
I got Cubase pro 12 Reason 12 Top bundles of NI Waves IK Artutia and Toontrack I stick to those if I can't get it done with these then I'm good with that.
I read deep in the comments and never heard any mentions about Eventide or TC Electronics lol. Still use Waves especially now that many favorite producers, vocal chains, and other processes are talked about in various forums.
Yeah wave audio is a go too for me once I start mixing I often navigate to wave plugins set up my whole chain or most of my templates is with wave plugin and according to what I am mixing I may switch out one and two plugins depending on the taste I am going for a particular mix I might stick in between UAD and fab filter I also use T-Racks or izotope but wave is a must me they just have everything and more to complete 💯 what you are doing in your DAW
Like you, I started with cracked Waves bundles and eventually went to legit versions. I still use a few Waves plugins regularly, like H-Delay, One Knob Filter, and a couple others, but I have gone away from Waves for reverbs (Valhalla), EQs (FabFilter), and compressors (FabFilter and The Glue). They may not the undisputed king anymore, but they definitely still have a large place in most pro and home studios.
SOUNDWIDE killin' the game ... Waves forced into a corner now the competition is better for the game.
S/O to Torrent sites and ACID pro 🏆
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I ave loads of Waves plugins, but I have stopped using them (some are still one of a kind) due the the extortion pricing for the yearly updates. Especially if your like me a Mac usurer.. $200 x per year that’s Protools money! Jump in a lake and fish with your hands.. you’ll go hungry for sure. Protocols is next on my list.. #nomoresubscriptions
They are being blown away by acoustic audio nebula
I have all of the mention plugins and I am gonna make a video of expressing what waves has started. To me even when you have all the plug-in it is fascinating how experiments and makes it a mission to make more hearing sauce please to see a OG give big ups and honest question for the public about the Goat of plugins.
Bolo don't forget about Arturia. They are not as robust as some of the other plug-in companies, but they are not too far behind.
At least on the VST side of things.
@@rawnote6141 that FX Collection can do some magic.
They don't know about that sound blaster pci sound card lol the good ole days.
I don’t who on Gods green earth would ever hate on BB tubes and Lil tubes… Bought and thats a definite on all my stuff that I’m tubing… ain’t nothing like it… native instruments solid bus compressor hast to be on the master channel mix glue setting… and for vocals waves JJP vocal plugins I tried everything else but this floats my boat for vocal… wont be without it but thats what i like… I do use fabfilter stuff and I love that just as well
Brother Bolo, my favorite Producer youtube channel , always enjoy your content Bro, keep up the good work Boss Salute
I really enjoyed this video brother. Thank you for sharing your opinions, I went ahead and subscribed because I would love to see more of your content in the future. I wish I had found your channel sooner!
I have legit Waves Diamond bundle plugins and some others that I don’t have installed because the update costs are too much. So i now used them by alternate means
Definitely good stuff but seems like there are cheaper alternatives , although I gotta say I never dove into waves stuff due to the price . Thanks for the video Bolo !
I’m New to the production game..pretty much my whole setup is UAD … I have some waves plugins on my setup can’t beat the price…But I’m pretty much UAD..💪🏽
something bout that L2 is just undeniable
For $1000 you get the dreamware bundle and you get like 30 different channel strips, which break into about 170 different plug-ins of compressors, strips, Pre’s and
EQs all
13 to 18 core live analog sampled from super expensive high end units like API and SSL 4000 Consouls
Waves plugins are still awesome!!, personally I feel you get the best value out of Waves upgrading with bundles when they're discounted!..do this until you get up to Mercury and the plugins will pretty much pay for themselves as you'll be entitled to the latest plugins as and when Waves drop them.
Plugin Alliance has some very good plugins. Analogue Obsession....
The industry made the standard like Pro Tools... now there are free stuff that works well.. Waves is like Pro Tools a brand.. they have a lit of competition...
The bottom line, it's what works for you..
Some DAW's stock plugins are quite good as well..
Which do you think is the best uaudio or waves??
This was so helpful for me! I've been making music for years, but just finally got into the DAW thing. Now that everybody hates DAWs and plugins apparently. Hah! Very valuable history lesson for me. Thank you!
FAB FILTER. But I still use the Waves L1
Due to Waves adopting the subscription model because they know that old producers like you and I used their plugins and with competitors like UAD and others you have mentioned they meaning Waves is trying to keep and corner their market and when you upgrade your system you’ll find that you also have to upgrade your Waves plugins either you do or buy into their subscription model or find another way around it but a lot of people are on a UAD and Apollo kick then you’re like which way do I go lol.
Honestly I use plugging Alliance and waves and other their party companies in combination it's not just waves anymore
I feel ya!
I like to buy plugins once. Waves has some very good plugins, but I shouldn't have to renew my plugins. This is why I use Plugin Alliance, you pay once and it's yours for life.
I have the ik multimedia stuff too. Great color.
Waves and Plug-in Alliance for me.
WOOOOOOOW I JUST LEARNED OF WAVES LOL
I bouth the Horizon bundle back in the day, but i stopped using waves because of the update plan.
I dont want to Pay for plungins i already own.
Izotope, ik Multimedia and plugin alliance are my go to now
That cracked Diamond Bundle was life!!!😂 I still love Waves plugins, I just need them to port over iOS. So I have been a Fabfilter and Mixbox guy since moving exclusively to music production on the iPad. Waves, if you are listening, let’s get a full bundle on iOS.
Waves will always be the King of the Hill. I especially love the new Clarity Vx
I've always liked waves for the name. But lately I've been using more plug-in alliance and slate digital to shape my mixes giving me the sound that I want.
All I use is plugin alliance plugins, their console plugins are next to none! The bx console n and the SSL 9000 J............those are my go 2 plugins. Waves plugins are "alright" but I do enjoy the SSL bus compressor.
I do like the waves Plugins but I don't like their update plans
The only plug-in company I’d put above plugin alliance is acustica audio..
Dang! I forgot about them!
I use in the box plugins along with slate digital, waves, baby audio just to name a few. This also depends on the type of music that I am making for that particular moment. Thank Bolo as always for keeping each of us engaged with your content.
Waves was Dope , I remember in 2007 ish my homie from ATL (Mr Buckem) sent me the cracked version of it also.. haha..
Huge fan of the mastering the mix plug-ins
I have a bunch of Waves plugins, they’ve definitely came down in prices, I bought the Diamond bundle for under $300, and a few other bundles , SSL collection, Abbey Roads and some others, I used to use the SSL plugins a lot but now I’m using the SSL plugin made by SSL, a few Softube and Soundtoys, of course a few Slate Digital (VMR) and Ik Multimedia MixBox, but what I’m actually using the most these days are the Apogee plugins. Waves definitely has some great ones I still use though, I like that Waves are still coming out with new plugins too, I don’t that they’re the king now but they still are top 10, maybe top 5.
Waves got some some bang'n loops, samples and plugin's I still bye from them, but Arturia pigments is hitting hard I bought it, I'm keeping my eye on them, I think they will give Waves something to think about. Also Cymantics is got some great addons I've been checking them out a lot lately and bought some stuff from them.
Waves is kindof "alright" but remember, they are competing with other Vst/Plugin manufacturers or developers who have some top of the line plugins like Sonnox, Sonible, Kilohearts, Audio Damage, Sonnivox, Soundtoys and others that i didn't mentioned when it comes to plugin effects for Compressors, Equalizers, Limiters, Reverbs and etc...
I’ll be honest, I had a really bad experience with Waves plug-ins. I upgraded from Ableton 11 Standard to Suite and ALL of my Waves plug-ins broke. All of ‘em. In a way I’m not complaining bc it forced me to get really familiar with the stock effects, but I spent a good chunk of cash on those 😅 I’ve since moved on to more indie devs like Valhalla and Soundtoys.
I used the cracked stuff back in the day until 2017. I have the legit plug-ins now I feel like my mixes are better. I have the SSL Eq and Comp from Waves which is my main stuff I use in conjunction of using other plugins. I have the SSL channel from the actual SSL and their compressor but I end up running the Waves ones instead.
Brainworx is superseding Waves for channel strip emulation (ssln4000E and Neve). Sometimes tho I find myself using H-comp tho. I like waves for their rhodes vst... got it as a freebie for buying a bunch of stuff... it's tasty.
R-Vox. You can keep the rest! Only the real know Limewire, dope video Bolo!
UAD and Waves
I like plug in alliance to
Yeah they have some really good stuff
I use a lot of waves , but I also use a shitload of UAD plugins. Nowadays I don't wanna eq anything unless its with Fabfilter Pro Q3 lol. I think it depends on your setup. I'm running an Apollo Twin with a octo satellite, and I own all of the plugins, so I tend to use more UAD stuff than others. Gotta justify my spending habits lol
Remember TC Native Bundle? Around the turn of the millennia (when the dinosaurs still walked the DAW-world) they were considered the real competition for the Waves Bundle! TC:s plugins were seen as really good for Reverbs and Equalizers. Waves were better for compressors/maximisers/limiters.
TC also made a great vst-instrument with Mercury-1. One of the first somewhat "real" analog sounding softsynths.
good question ; but my answer is yes waves still kicking and its will always kick for sure for me its still the king respect for waves plugin
They do have some good ones. CR8 is great, and the Abbey Rd.
Waves is cheap now but that up date plan is where their money is coming from. And the market is over saturated and the engineers are now getting into the game being exclusive, either with their own plug-ins or there teaming up with a company that’s just killing it. (So no) but I still use waves for certain stuff not like I use to.
I use whatever is affordable, mainly Baby Audio, Waves and Izotope.
Small price to pay to upgrade waved plug ins, but worth it. Remember the $3000 platinum?..days long gone
It's just so much out here now. Waves is definitely studio top of the line sound wise but it's just MAADD alternatives now.
Back in the day waves was really one of the original emulation makers for hardware plugins. However, now there are tons of companies with the tech to do emulation so they are less of a player, but still offer some great sounding plugins. I don't like the pricing of their update plans... it's like paying for nothing as they rarely do update anything other than change the version numbers.
Waves Definitely Has The Best Basic Compressor PlugIn's, They're Easy To Use And Has A Beefy Touch To Them and I Like CR8 Sampler. I Think UVI 's Are The Most Underrated, They Have A Few Must Have's. Izotope's Are The Best Once You Learn Them, Especially Its AI's Ones, Neutron 4 and Ozone 10... Those Are In Most Everyone's Master's These Days, Then RX, It's Legendary! The Heist Of All Sound Platforms 🤣Oh, Does Melodyne Count as A Plugin?... But To Me Personally, Air Flavor Pro From Akai Is The PLUGIN Of The YEAR!
Slate digital is actually really good that's all I really use and get a good mix out of it
Waves been out like wagon wheels on a jeep or like triple fat goose jackets. waves been out of style. The diamond package was legendary though. and still useable if you got a old enough operating system to run it
waves is kool but im love uad im well invested into their eco system
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is Pro Tools a must-have in a recording studio?
Pretty much
Fun video. Thanks man.
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Wave still top man simple and effective.
I'm tired if waves and the ilok.
Having to unplug a usb from one computer to a laptop or vice versa.
Grab that BB Tubes!