Ty Gus, I love to see all the different methods of beekeeping I can, as not all methods work the same all the time, everywhere. :-) Ty for sharing your time, Blessed Days...
I had the same scenario from a nuc yesterday (Saturday 7/23). Started the nuc with a marked mated queen. The Friday before, Fed the nuc with sugar syrup and pollen patty. Did not inspect. WOW!! What a difference a week can do. And the difference in a two to three week inspection(did not see the queen. Queen cells).The population had dwindled. Could not find the marked queen. I did find a very small queen. The wax moth larvae was under what was left of the pollen patty. Fortunately, I had a hive that was a split which failed to produce a queen. I took the frame from the nuc with the young queen over to this split hive. She was accepted immediately! No 3 or 7 day introductions. What was interesting was the bees from the nuc all went into the split hive following their queen. I will inspect this hive in two weeks. Thank you Gus. I really needed this video! You are awesome!!
Great content Gus, I currently have a laying worker and need a queen, haven't got a response from any big time queen breeders yet that ship bees who want my money!
This was my first year dealing with laying workers. Due to the crazy weather, I had more than my share. I tried saving the first few and then just started shaking them out. They were a huge time suck.
Agree. You could take some capped brood and shake some nurse bees in there with a queen cell and feed them. Then maybe they might get decent but then they have to get through a northern winter. If they don't overwinter you wasted all that time and effort. Might as well to a walkaway split and throw away the laying workers.
Yes I do differentiate, these queens may be great queens they had nothing to do with the state of the colony. The colony didn’t raise her and they didn’t contribute to the drones she mated with.
Laying workers usually kill a queen as well as a newly hatched queen. What really stops them from killing a queen is to add a frame or two of unsealed brood to the laying worker colony. It must be unsealed brood. The presence of the unsealed brood turns off the laying instinct in the laying workers. You can then unite them with a normal colony and their desire to lay will go away and/or they will be killed by the normal bees. You can then just do a split about three weeks later. Some laying worker colonies are still very, very strong . . . . . . even though they are dying. There is no reason to waste them. I just unite them with a normal colony, using a sheet of newspaper, and they just go back to work. If they're really weak, I guess it doesn't matter . . . . .but if they're strong . . . . why waste three or more pounds of bees?
I’ve never seen a 3lbs of bees laying worker colony. Usually by that point bees are minimal, from natural death and from jumping ship to join up with a queen right colony.
I did not understand your experiment….how can you experiment with a queen that has no bees….if you combined all those bees into one Nuc you might have enough for the queen to lay eggs….what is meant by a 48-hour queen cell….never understood what your experiment was suppose to accomplish….
They were laying workers so there would be very little bees anyway. The little colony were laying workers that didn’t have a queen. So he put queens in them and waited 48 hours to see if the laying workers would stop and they did. So he said by the time the queen started laying good the nucs would have a hard time building up in to a viable colony
So the experiment was how to get a laying worker colony back queen right. Often they reject cells and queens. By using an open cell, 48 hours roughly, the laying worker colonies largely accepted them.
@@gusmitchellcranesnesthoney6529 …Thanks….for explaining….I do something a little different….I just put a caged queen into the box for a few days…..after that I release her….it’s worked every time….I do try to take a queen from a Nuc….along with some of her bees to the laying worker hive…
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Thanks for sharing Gus. That was interesting to see
Ty Gus, I love to see all the different methods of beekeeping I can, as not all methods work the same all the time, everywhere. :-) Ty for sharing your time, Blessed Days...
I had the same scenario from a nuc yesterday (Saturday 7/23). Started the nuc with a marked mated queen. The Friday before, Fed the nuc with sugar syrup and pollen patty. Did not inspect. WOW!! What a difference a week can do. And the difference in a two to three week inspection(did not see the queen. Queen cells).The population had dwindled. Could not find the marked queen. I did find a very small queen. The wax moth larvae was under what was left of the pollen patty. Fortunately, I had a hive that was a split which failed to produce a queen. I took the frame from the nuc with the young queen over to this split hive. She was accepted immediately! No 3 or 7 day introductions. What was interesting was the bees from the nuc all went into the split hive following their queen. I will inspect this hive in two weeks. Thank you Gus. I really needed this video! You are awesome!!
I meant to say hive beetle larvae not wax moth!
Good to know, Thx for the video.
Great content Gus, I currently have a laying worker and need a queen, haven't got a response from any big time queen breeders yet that ship bees who want my money!
I've never had luck with that they always seem to reject the queen. I think you would have better luck with a queen cell
This was my first year dealing with laying workers. Due to the crazy weather, I had more than my share. I tried saving the first few and then just started shaking them out. They were a huge time suck.
I've got this going on with one of mine now, just going to shake it instead of messing with it.
Agree. You could take some capped brood and shake some nurse bees in there with a queen cell and feed them. Then maybe they might get decent but then they have to get through a northern winter. If they don't overwinter you wasted all that time and effort. Might as well to a walkaway split and throw away the laying workers.
thanks gus,ive got 1 ,laying worker, ive tried to add eggs,ill probably combine if i dont see them bounce back soon ,wins n losses
Do you differentiate between the weak and that small that have potential? or It's not worth the effort to you?
Yes I do differentiate, these queens may be great queens they had nothing to do with the state of the colony. The colony didn’t raise her and they didn’t contribute to the drones she mated with.
What do you plan on doing with the queens? It doesn’t look like the nuc will survive, so make another split from another hive and add the queen?
If I were trying to save them I'd add emerging brood and nurse bees from a stronger colony. Curious what Gus will do.
I’ll assess them here soon and will build nucs for them or sell them if I like the pattern.
May make a short when I check back for sealed brood
Agree! SHAKE THEM OUT.
Laying workers usually kill a queen as well as a newly hatched queen. What really stops them from killing a queen is to add a frame or two of unsealed brood to the laying worker colony. It must be unsealed brood. The presence of the unsealed brood turns off the laying instinct in the laying workers. You can then unite them with a normal colony and their desire to lay will go away and/or they will be killed by the normal bees. You can then just do a split about three weeks later. Some laying worker colonies are still very, very strong . . . . . . even though they are dying. There is no reason to waste them. I just unite them with a normal colony, using a sheet of newspaper, and they just go back to work. If they're really weak, I guess it doesn't matter . . . . .but if they're strong . . . . why waste three or more pounds of bees?
I’ve never seen a 3lbs of bees laying worker colony.
Usually by that point bees are minimal, from natural death and from jumping ship to join up with a queen right colony.
I did not understand your experiment….how can you experiment with a queen that has no bees….if you combined all those bees into one Nuc you might have enough for the queen to lay eggs….what is meant by a 48-hour queen cell….never understood what your experiment was suppose to accomplish….
They were laying workers so there would be very little bees anyway. The little colony were laying workers that didn’t have a queen. So he put queens in them and waited 48 hours to see if the laying workers would stop and they did. So he said by the time the queen started laying good the nucs would have a hard time building up in to a viable colony
So the experiment was how to get a laying worker colony back queen right. Often they reject cells and queens.
By using an open cell, 48 hours roughly, the laying worker colonies largely accepted them.
@@gusmitchellcranesnesthoney6529 …Thanks….for explaining….I do something a little different….I just put a caged queen into the box for a few days…..after that I release her….it’s worked every time….I do try to take a queen from a Nuc….along with some of her bees to the laying worker hive…